I'm not going to apologize for the way that I feel, Dude. Microsoft worked hard to get me to feel this way. So go back to your Microsoft supervisor and tell him that he can kiss my ass.
As much as I detest all things Microsoft,.Net is going to be big. Not that it is a particularly novel idea but Microsoft is investing enough money in the project that they will do whatever it takes to make it succeed.
If Apache doesn't want to be left behind they have got to develop the technology. The truth is that if Microsoft wasn't involved,.Net could be good for Linux just as Java is good for Linux. Anytime you have code that can be easily ported from Windows to Linux it's good.
It will be interesting to watch the whole thing unfold. Not just with Apache but also with Mono and Linux in general. Will Microsoft once again prove itself to be THE evil Corporation?
It's human nature to want control. This becomes real dicey in a global community and the US isn't innocent of applying its laws to non-citizens. Look at what the US did to poor Dmitry Sklyarov. That was totally outrageous!
Let's face it. When people get involved things get screwed up.
Sending email to all of my associates is a bit different than sending bulk email to an email address list. Further, it is far more likely that if I send email to my associates, all of their names and email addresses will show up in the address filed.
Spammers have tools that can "personalize" each piece of spam so that only one individual's name shows up making it harder to tell that it's spam. Well, until you read the subject line and realize that yet another individual is concerned with the size of your genitals.
I consider spam as unsolicited commercial email not just a mass mailing that includes me.
Would a "Prior Art" angle work for OpenGL? As most of you probably know Microsoft is claiming IP rights over parts of OpenGL. You just know that when the time is right they'll try to use any rights that they have to hurt Linux. The time will probably come when the gaming industries decides that Linux is a viable market.
Arrgh cut off in the middle of a rant!
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The last part of my rant:
I think my original point was that the bandwidth usage apparently isn't a real problem yet. Sharing information is what the internet is all about. P2P computing IS a big part of the future however don't steal IP because there are people out there that will use any excuse they can to try to take away our right. Let's not give them any extra ammunition.
How much of "a problem" is it?
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"Dave Salch, CTO of 8e6 Technologies, said because of its stealth nature, the P2P software does not show up in reports from many filtering products and the administrator doesn't even know the problem exists and has no way to check it."
It seems to me that if the Administrator isn't even aware that it's happening, it must not be too much of "a problem", at least not yet. It's obviously not bringing the network down. Of course as the P2P network grows it might become a problem if users do not act responsibly.
Of course network usage is only part of the equation. Using the network to steal intellectual property is already being used as justification by the entertainment industries to ram digital rights management enabled hardware down out throats.
Yeah, we all know it is really about profits, being able to prevent people from exercising their fair use rights and thus artificially create a market where the music and video industries can charge us for every piece of music we listen to or video that we watch. Eventually we'll all have to pay EVERYTIME we listen to music or view video because it will all be a service. We will pay each month a little for this service and a little for that service.
We won't own CDs and DVDs any more. In their infinite corporate wisdom, the remaining few largest corporations that haven't been gobbled up by other mega-corporations, will simplify our lives by removing the burden of actually owning anything. Won't that be wonderful! Just like John Lennon said "no possestions. .." I seem to have gone off on a rant....
to know that Linux is dead. I'm sitting hear writing this using Mandrake 8.2 while listening to music from XMMS and the tears are just streaming down my cheeks.
It really makes it hard for me to program open source software using Borland's Kylix product!
"Now MS tries to address subjects YOU WANT THEM TO ADDRESS, and the linux community is in an uproar"
I think the point of the "uproar" is that most of us don't believe that Microsoft is trying to address subjects that we want them to address. Most of us feel this is an attempt to cater to Hollywood and the music industry and possible even kill open source.
We really have no reason to trust Microsoft. This corporation is totally unrepentant of its past crimes and continues to engage in unacceptable monopolistic practices.
Bottom line: It would truly be foolish to embrace anything that Microsoft does with open arms without first carefully scrutinizing its actions. The uproar you are complaining about is part of the scrutiny. I give the Palladium scheme a big two thumbs down.
It IS more about taking control of OUR HARDWARE and limiting OUR CHOICE than it is about security.
this has little to do with idealism, (bucko). It has been shown time and time again that once locked into a Microsoft solution, Micro$oft turns the screws with unreasonable licensing agreements, costly updates that you must purchase because you are, after all, locked into there non-standard compliant software.
And BTW, whom are you calling a kid? I'm a professional in the computer software industry with over 20 years experience. I would guess that I have a much better understanding of the way things really are than most. Much better than your short sited view. Sure, It may be tough dumping Microsoft for a while but the benefits of using open source software that you know will follow open standards is undeniable and worth it.
I've read a number of posts that seem to suggest, as yours does that if Linux supplants Windows, it will somehow be tainted. It will not. It will still be Linux. It will just be very popular.
If we keep the quality high people will like it more and more. It's the operating system from the people, for the people and by the people.... Hmmm where have I heard that before?:-)
Well certainly competing with an open source product is difficult and probably a losing proposition. The only thing that you can do is to ensure that your closed source product is much better than the competing open source product. As the open source community continues to improve their product the closed source product will have a harder and harder time remaining superior.
As one individual put it: Tough. Adapt or die!
Open source is here to stay so software vendors will just have to adapt.
"He also addressed the licensing changes that the company put in place over the last year, calling them an important part of a long-term simplification strategy."
Yes, It makes it much simpler for Microsoft to take a larger portion of our money!
Yes! Give me.Net! I can hardly wait to run all of the windows apps including the lates viri!
I really think that Linux is missing out on the fun. I mean sure, it's stable and secure but what adventure is there in that? I want to wonder every time I boot up if I'll see: "You have been hacked by the Windoz Nukum Worm! Hard drive formatting now...."!
Oh yes! Why should Windows users have all of the fun?
Bush purposes that CEO's that steal hundreds of millions of dollars, who crushes the lives of thousands of people, and topple corporations large enough to effect the entire US economy should not be allowed to head up a company again but a teenager who defaces a web site should spend the rest of his life behind bars.
The President of Peru was having problems with the poll numbers so he cuts a deal with Microsoft that he hopes he can use to generate rhetoric that will bolster his sagging image.
Anyone with one ounce of insight will see that this is nothing but a Trojan horse. Microsoft is giving money, software, and consulting.
Microsoft wants to ensure that the children are indoctrinated in all ways Microsoft. They are basically trying to raise a crop of future consumers. Microsoft is going to provide consulting. Yeah, right. Like what are the Microsoft consultants going to tell Peru other than "use Microsoft."
The sad part is that if Microsoft succeeds Peru will become more dependant on a single company. It will be later, after it's too late for Peru, that Microsoft will call in its markers and screw the people of Peru.
You are right that we are assuming a loss of sale but you are also assuming that the pirate wouldn't have bought it if he couldn't download it for free.
The reality is that if enough people go to a WAREZ site and download a piece of software the odds are that there will be a loss of sales. i.e. Someone who downloads it won't buy it simply because they got it for free.
No, we can't prove it but it is true nonetheless. The race isn't always to the swift... But that's the way to bet.
This doesn't mean that everyone in Norway is going to suddenly start running Linux or power up an imac. What it does mean is that government and schools will now have a choice. Under the agreement with Microsoft they didn't which is pretty much the way Microsoft likes it.
The PR fallout from this could hurt Microsoft more than the actual loss of the contract. We should use this event to generate as much publicity as we can.
The more people that hear that entire governments are starting to shed the Microsoft yoke of monopolistic tyranny the better chance we have of convincing them that Microsoft isn't the only viable game in town.
"Linux systems are up, attacks on Windows based systems have actually dropped dramatically when compared to last year."
If the average System Administrator for Windows platforms are anything like the ones where I work, they are just unaware of the attacks. So they go unreported.
The idea that Palladium will somehow protect the average user is preposterous! Most harm is done to the average user by virus' written using one of Microsoft's scripting languages that can be executed by doing something as innocent as bringing up a Word document.
Word already has an option that the user can set to not allow macros to run. It is unlikely that Microsoft will break it's products by not allowing a user to run macros.
People will continue to get virus infections, the Microsoft computing would will remain insecure and Microsoft will maintain its monopoly by ensuring that the quality of the user's experience who uses open source software is artificially made to be inferior to the experience of users who pay Microsoft.
Oh, and thank you Intel and AMD for going along with this scheme.
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I'm not going to apologize for the way that I feel, Dude. Microsoft worked hard to get me to feel this way. So go back to your Microsoft supervisor and tell him that he can kiss my ass.
Of Course TB is used to share files. It also provides anonymiy but what else would P2P software be used for execpt gaming and file sharing?
My post was dead center topic.
As much as I detest all things Microsoft, .Net is going to be big. Not that it is a particularly novel idea but Microsoft is investing enough money in the project that they will do whatever it takes to make it succeed.
.Net could be good for Linux just as Java is good for Linux. Anytime you have code that can be easily ported from Windows to Linux it's good.
If Apache doesn't want to be left behind they have got to develop the technology. The truth is that if Microsoft wasn't involved,
It will be interesting to watch the whole thing unfold. Not just with Apache but also with Mono and Linux in general. Will Microsoft once again prove itself to be THE evil Corporation?
It's human nature to want control. This becomes real dicey in a global community and the US isn't innocent of applying its laws to non-citizens. Look at what the US did to poor Dmitry Sklyarov. That was totally outrageous!
Let's face it. When people get involved things get screwed up.
Sending email to all of my associates is a bit different than sending bulk email to an email address list. Further, it is far more likely that if I send email to my associates, all of their names and email addresses will show up in the address filed.
Spammers have tools that can "personalize" each piece of spam so that only one individual's name shows up making it harder to tell that it's spam. Well, until you read the subject line and realize that yet another individual is concerned with the size of your genitals.
I consider spam as unsolicited commercial email not just a mass mailing that includes me.
I've found that firing employees that surf for porn using company equipment is a deterant.
Would a "Prior Art" angle work for OpenGL? As most of you probably know Microsoft is claiming IP rights over parts of OpenGL. You just know that when the time is right they'll try to use any rights that they have to hurt Linux. The time will probably come when the gaming industries decides that Linux is a viable market.
The last part of my rant:
I think my original point was that the bandwidth usage apparently isn't a real problem yet. Sharing information is what the internet is all about. P2P computing IS a big part of the future however don't steal IP because there are people out there that will use any excuse they can to try to take away our right. Let's not give them any extra ammunition.
"Dave Salch, CTO of 8e6 Technologies, said because of its stealth nature, the P2P software does not show up in reports from many filtering products and the administrator doesn't even know the problem exists and has no way to check it."
." I seem to have gone off on a rant....
It seems to me that if the Administrator isn't even aware that it's happening, it must not be too much of "a problem", at least not yet. It's obviously not bringing the network down. Of course as the P2P network grows it might become a problem if users do not act responsibly.
Of course network usage is only part of the equation. Using the network to steal intellectual property is already being used as justification by the entertainment industries to ram digital rights management enabled hardware down out throats.
Yeah, we all know it is really about profits, being able to prevent people from exercising their fair use rights and thus artificially create a market where the music and video industries can charge us for every piece of music we listen to or video that we watch. Eventually we'll all have to pay EVERYTIME we listen to music or view video because it will all be a service. We will pay each month a little for this service and a little for that service.
We won't own CDs and DVDs any more. In their infinite corporate wisdom, the remaining few largest corporations that haven't been gobbled up by other mega-corporations, will simplify our lives by removing the burden of actually owning anything. Won't that be wonderful! Just like John Lennon said "no possestions. .
I think my original point was that the
to know that Linux is dead. I'm sitting hear writing this using Mandrake 8.2 while listening to music from XMMS and the tears are just streaming down my cheeks.
It really makes it hard for me to program open source software using Borland's Kylix product!
"Now MS tries to address subjects YOU WANT THEM TO ADDRESS, and the linux community is in an uproar"
I think the point of the "uproar" is that most of us don't believe that Microsoft is trying to address subjects that we want them to address. Most of us feel this is an attempt to cater to Hollywood and the music industry and possible even kill open source.
We really have no reason to trust Microsoft. This corporation is totally unrepentant of its past crimes and continues to engage in unacceptable monopolistic practices.
Bottom line: It would truly be foolish to embrace anything that Microsoft does with open arms without first carefully scrutinizing its actions. The uproar you are complaining about is part of the scrutiny. I give the Palladium scheme a big two thumbs down.
It IS more about taking control of OUR HARDWARE and limiting OUR CHOICE than it is about security.
this has little to do with idealism, (bucko). It has been shown time and time again that once locked into a Microsoft solution, Micro$oft turns the screws with unreasonable licensing agreements, costly updates that you must purchase because you are, after all, locked into there non-standard compliant software.
And BTW, whom are you calling a kid? I'm a professional in the computer software industry with over 20 years experience. I would guess that I have a much better understanding of the way things really are than most. Much better than your short sited view. Sure, It may be tough dumping Microsoft for a while but the benefits of using open source software that you know will follow open standards is undeniable and worth it.
I've read a number of posts that seem to suggest, as yours does that if Linux supplants Windows, it will somehow be tainted. It will not. It will still be Linux. It will just be very popular.
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If we keep the quality high people will like it more and more. It's the operating system from the people, for the people and by the people.... Hmmm where have I heard that before?
It has become impossible for me to separate the Microsoft product line from company and its illegal monopolistic behavior and its FUD.
It really is no longer just about 'The right tool for the job.' It's equally about being lock in, ripped off, and manipulated.
Well certainly competing with an open source product is difficult and probably a losing proposition. The only thing that you can do is to ensure that your closed source product is much better than the competing open source product. As the open source community continues to improve their product the closed source product will have a harder and harder time remaining superior.
As one individual put it: Tough. Adapt or die!
Open source is here to stay so software vendors will just have to adapt.
"He also addressed the licensing changes that the company put in place over the last year, calling them an important part of a long-term simplification strategy."
Yes, It makes it much simpler for Microsoft to take a larger portion of our money!
".NET could be the biggest blunder of Microsoft's history, taking away the only advantage they really got (a huge software library)."
.NET apps do you think will be allowed to run on "untrusted OSes?"
I use to think that way too but with Microsoft's DRM push how many
So, like you said. At least we won't be any worse off then we already are... or are we overlooking something?
Yes! Give me .Net! I can hardly wait to run all of the windows apps including the lates viri!
I really think that Linux is missing out on the fun. I mean sure, it's stable and secure but what adventure is there in that? I want to wonder every time I boot up if I'll see: "You have been hacked by the Windoz Nukum Worm! Hard drive formatting now...."!
Oh yes! Why should Windows users have all of the fun?
Bush purposes that CEO's that steal hundreds of millions of dollars, who crushes the lives of thousands of people, and topple corporations large enough to effect the entire US economy should not be allowed to head up a company again but a teenager who defaces a web site should spend the rest of his life behind bars.
What's wrong with this picture?
The President of Peru was having problems with the poll numbers so he cuts a deal with Microsoft that he hopes he can use to generate rhetoric that will bolster his sagging image.
Anyone with one ounce of insight will see that this is nothing but a Trojan horse. Microsoft is giving money, software, and consulting.
Microsoft wants to ensure that the children are indoctrinated in all ways Microsoft. They are basically trying to raise a crop of future consumers. Microsoft is going to provide consulting. Yeah, right. Like what are the Microsoft consultants going to tell Peru other than "use Microsoft."
The sad part is that if Microsoft succeeds Peru will become more dependant on a single company. It will be later, after it's too late for Peru, that Microsoft will call in its markers and screw the people of Peru.
I agree totally.
You are right that we are assuming a loss of sale but you are also assuming that the pirate wouldn't have bought it if he couldn't download it for free.
The reality is that if enough people go to a WAREZ site and download a piece of software the odds are that there will be a loss of sales. i.e. Someone who downloads it won't buy it simply because they got it for free.
No, we can't prove it but it is true nonetheless. The race isn't always to the swift... But that's the way to bet.
This doesn't mean that everyone in Norway is going to suddenly start running Linux or power up an imac. What it does mean is that government and schools will now have a choice. Under the agreement with Microsoft they didn't which is pretty much the way Microsoft likes it.
The PR fallout from this could hurt Microsoft more than the actual loss of the contract. We should use this event to generate as much publicity as we can.
The more people that hear that entire governments are starting to shed the Microsoft yoke of monopolistic tyranny the better chance we have of convincing them that Microsoft isn't the only viable game in town.
"Linux systems are up, attacks on Windows based systems have actually dropped dramatically when compared to last year."
If the average System Administrator for Windows platforms are anything like the ones where I work, they are just unaware of the attacks. So they go unreported.
The idea that Palladium will somehow protect the average user is preposterous! Most harm is done to the average user by virus' written using one of Microsoft's scripting languages that can be executed by doing something as innocent as bringing up a Word document.
Word already has an option that the user can set to not allow macros to run. It is unlikely that Microsoft will break it's products by not allowing a user to run macros.
People will continue to get virus infections, the Microsoft computing would will remain insecure and Microsoft will maintain its monopoly by ensuring that the quality of the user's experience who uses open source software is artificially made to be inferior to the experience of users who pay Microsoft.
Oh, and thank you Intel and AMD for going along with this scheme.