I fully admit that my understanding of electronics is pretty weak, and I am confused.
I don't get it? Everyone keeps talking about how you can hook up your toaster, coffee maker, etc. Do these devices have a serial port? How would one interface with any of these kind of devices unless they had some sort of output interface?
I can see where these might work well with older legacy devices(printers, etc), and you want to be able put them on a network, but I fail to see how they would help in your home.
Enlightment anyone?
Assuming it unusable quite soon...
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Opencroquet
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Summary
Croquet had the working name of Tea until recently. You will see many references to Tea in the system, in the code, and even in this document. Just assume that when you see Tea, we mean Croquet.
Croquet was built to answer a simple question. If we were to create a new operating system and user interface knowing what we know today, how far could we go. What kinds of decisions would we make that we might have been unable to even consider 20 or 30 years ago, when the current set of operating systems were first created.
The landscape of possibilities has evolved tremendously in the last few years. Without a doubt, we can consider Moore's law and the Internet as the two primary forces that are colliding like tectonic plates to create an enormous mountain range of possibilities. Since every existing OS was created when the world around it was still quite flat, they were not designed to truly take advantage of the heights that we are now able to scale.
What is perhaps most remarkable about this particular question is that in answering it, we find that we are revisiting much of the work that was done in the early sixties and seventies that ultimately led to the current successful architectures. One could say that that in reality, this question was asked long ago, and the strength of the answer has successfully carried us for a quarter century. On the other hand, the current environments are really just the thin veneer over what even long ago were seriously outmoded approaches to development and design. Most of the really good fundamental ideas that people had were left on the cutting room floor.
That isn't to say that they thought of everything either. A great deal has happened in the last few decades that allows for some fundamentally new approaches that could not have been considered at the time.
We are making a number of assumptions:
Hardware is fast - really fast, but other than for booting Windows or playing Quake no one cares - nor can they really use it. We want to take advantage of this power curve to enable a richer experience.
3D Graphics hardware is really, really fast and getting much faster. This is great for games, but we would like to unlock the potential of this technology to enhance the entire user experience.
Late bound languages have experienced a renaissance in both functionality and performance. Extreme late-bound systems like LISP and Smalltalk have often been criticized as being too slow for many applications, especially those with stringent real-time demands. This is simply no longer the case, and as Croquet demonstrates, world-class performance is quite achievable on these platforms.
Communication has become a central part of the computing experience, but it is still done through the narrowest of pipes, via email or letting someone know that they have just been converted into chunks in Quake. We want to create a true collaboration environment, where the computer is not just a world unto itself, but a meeting place for many people where ideas can be expressed, explored, and transferred.
Code is just another media type, and should be just as portable between systems. Late binding and component architectures allow for a valuable encapsulation of behaviors that can be dynamically shared and exchanged.
The system should act as a virtual machine on top of any platform. We are not creating just another application that runs on top of Windows, or the Macintosh - we are creating a Croquet Machine that is highly portable and happens to run bit-identical on Windows, Macintosh, Linux, and ultimately on its own hardware... anywhere we have a CPU and a graphics processor. Once the virtual machine has been ported, everything else follows; even the bugs are the same. Most attempts at true multiplatform systems have turned out to be dangerous approximations (cf. Java) rather than the bit-identical "mathematically guaranteed" ports that are required.
There are no boundaries in the system. We are creating an environment where anything can be created; everything can be modified, all in the 3D world. There is no separate development environment, no user environment. It is all be the same thing. We can even change and author the worlds in collaboration with others inside them while they are operating.
The existing operating systems are like the castles that were owned by their respective Lords in the Middle Ages. They were the centers of power, a way to control the population and threaten the competition. Sometimes, a particular Lord would become overpowering, and he would get to declare himself as King. This was great for the King. And not to bad for the rest of the nobles, but in the end - technology progressed and people started blowing holes in the sides of the castles. The castles were abandoned. Technology does this.
McDonald's is not for the poor. A family of four would cost at least $12, x30 days, that's $360 a month just for dinner! My food budget for a family of four is $280. Rice and beans would feed a family of four for under $2. Maybe less.
But you are missing one important group of people.
Parents! Kids love McDonald's, you go to McDonald's let the kids run around in the playland, and get some work done on your laptop.
Now will the cost of putting wireless in McDonald be enough money to make it worth it, I don't know.
Let's think, if McDonalds is offering it and it does well then maybe others will follow suit. Wi-Fi could become very common. To most people this is news.
Sorry neither the world nor slashdot revolves you and your ego.
These laws are in place so people will not see certain things. In the past this was judged by society to be a good thing.
Enter the Internet. Many things on the Internet, parents would not want there children to see, especially at young ages.
Parents have a choice watch their kids always while on the Internet(sounds simple but not realistic)
But some sort of software to block(not real effective from what I hear).
Ban the internet.
Free use of Internet.
The problem is this, a friends of mine's son(8 years old) usually goes to certain kids sight to play games(lego.com etc) He got bored and then when to boy.com because to him is sounded innocent.
Big mistake, men-on-men and lots of it. This is not something most parents want their children to be exposed to at such a young age.
Most parents don't want porn off the internet, they just want porno e-mails and sites like boy.com off to stop.
The mud slinging I hear around here is not going to solve the problems, and this is a problem that will have to be solved.
Bull crap, stop spewing such nonsense. You have no idea what the editors do, and stop acting like you do. You bring nothing to the conversation except blather.
I have worked as a NT admin, for about 1000 nodes. Taking care of these systems was a nightmare in my humble opinion. Software updates(SMS usually works), people screwing up their system(No, I didn't install AOL after you said not too). But I love Bonzai Buddy!, virus updates, back-ups, etc.
I then went to work at a Unix shop, it took me awhile to get used to certain aspects(throwing windows, the process is running on the server), etc. Things that seems so obvious now. Quick note, ask a Windows user to bring up a share and run a program from the share, does the program run a the share or locally.) Windows users don't think like this everything runs runs locally.
No, I understand why my mother wants to use Windows, and most other lay folks. I think Windows does certain things very well(besides crashing;-) )
What I don't understand if why big business and many colleges don't use a system with x-terminals and beefy servers in the back. Most students/workers only need e-mail, internet, word processing on lab computers. Those departments that have to have program that only run on Windows could get Windows machines.
It would seem to save alot of time and money. But I may also be naive.
So why isn't this more common(or is it and I just havn't noticed)?
Please don't answer that MS has brainwashed everyone, or everyone is just stupid, etc.
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having a million Linux distributions is a waste of time also according to your logic.
>GPL multi-platform real-time strategy
Interesting site though a bit old.
From the screen shots it looks like a turn based strategy game not a RTS.
Which is fine with me.
I always like when I am asked AOL questions.
:-)
Should I upgrade to AOl 8.0, they say it is faster?
Where did I download a file?
I open the pictures up?
How do I do this? That?
They think because I work with computers for a living I am an expert on AOL. I am an expert because I stay away from AOL
I hear just a little dust makes these look bad, and it needs regular cleaning. Something to keep in mind.
Not for me but whatever floats your boat.
You may be trying to be funny, but I find little humor in guys that think that way.
A ring is useful, it tells other guys to bug off or the guy who gave her the ring will come a calling.
Don't you look at a ladies hand, before you start hitting on her?
But how does the ethernet interface with your toaster, stereo, etc?
Or is this for the stereo manufacture to put in his stereo product?
I fully admit that my understanding of electronics is pretty weak, and I am confused.
I don't get it?
Everyone keeps talking about how you can hook up your toaster, coffee maker, etc. Do these devices have a serial port?
How would one interface with any of these kind of devices unless they had some sort of output interface?
I can see where these might work well with older legacy devices(printers, etc), and you want to be able put them on a network, but I fail to see how they would help in your home.
Enlightment anyone?
Summary
.
Croquet had the working name of Tea until recently. You will see many references to Tea in the system, in the code, and even in this document. Just
assume that when you see Tea, we mean Croquet.
Croquet was built to answer a simple question. If we were to create a new operating system and user interface knowing what we know today, how far
could we go. What kinds of decisions would we make that we might have been unable to even consider 20 or 30 years ago, when the current set of
operating systems were first created.
The landscape of possibilities has evolved tremendously in the last few years. Without a doubt, we can consider Moore's law and the Internet as the two
primary forces that are colliding like tectonic plates to create an enormous mountain range of possibilities. Since every existing OS was created when the
world around it was still quite flat, they were not designed to truly take advantage of the heights that we are now able to scale.
What is perhaps most remarkable about this particular question is that in answering it, we find that we are revisiting much of the work that was done in
the early sixties and seventies that ultimately led to the current successful architectures. One could say that that in reality, this question was asked long
ago, and the strength of the answer has successfully carried us for a quarter century. On the other hand, the current environments are really just the thin
veneer over what even long ago were seriously outmoded approaches to development and design. Most of the really good fundamental ideas that people
had were left on the cutting room floor.
That isn't to say that they thought of everything either. A great deal has happened in the last few decades that allows for some fundamentally new
approaches that could not have been considered at the time.
We are making a number of assumptions:
Hardware is fast - really fast, but other than for booting Windows or playing Quake no one cares - nor can they really use it. We want to take advantage
of this power curve to enable a richer experience.
3D Graphics hardware is really, really fast and getting much faster. This is great for games, but we would like to unlock the potential of this technology to
enhance the entire user experience.
Late bound languages have experienced a renaissance in both functionality and performance. Extreme late-bound systems like LISP and Smalltalk have
often been criticized as being too slow for many applications, especially those with stringent real-time demands. This is simply no longer the case, and as
Croquet demonstrates, world-class performance is quite achievable on these platforms.
Communication has become a central part of the computing experience, but it is still done through the narrowest of pipes, via email or letting someone
know that they have just been converted into chunks in Quake. We want to create a true collaboration environment, where the computer is not just a
world unto itself, but a meeting place for many people where ideas can be expressed, explored, and transferred.
Code is just another media type, and should be just as portable between systems. Late binding and component architectures allow for a valuable
encapsulation of behaviors that can be dynamically shared and exchanged.
The system should act as a virtual machine on top of any platform. We are not creating just another application that runs on top of Windows, or the
Macintosh - we are creating a Croquet Machine that is highly portable and happens to run bit-identical on Windows, Macintosh, Linux, and ultimately on
its own hardware... anywhere we have a CPU and a graphics processor. Once the virtual machine has been ported, everything else follows; even the
bugs are the same. Most attempts at true multiplatform systems have turned out to be dangerous approximations (cf. Java) rather than the bit-identical
"mathematically guaranteed" ports that are required.
There are no boundaries in the system. We are creating an environment where anything can be created; everything can be modified, all in the 3D world.
There is no separate development environment, no user environment. It is all be the same thing. We can even change and author the worlds in
collaboration with others inside them while they are operating
The existing operating systems are like the castles that were owned by their respective Lords in the Middle Ages. They were the centers of power, a way
to control the population and threaten the competition. Sometimes, a particular Lord would become overpowering, and he would get to declare himself as
King. This was great for the King. And not to bad for the rest of the nobles, but in the end - technology progressed and people started blowing holes in
the sides of the castles. The castles were abandoned. Technology does this.
Hmm...
McDonald's is not for the poor. A family of four would cost at least $12, x30 days, that's $360 a month just for dinner! My food budget for a family of four is $280.
Rice and beans would feed a family of four for under $2. Maybe less.
But you are missing one important group of people.
Parents! Kids love McDonald's, you go to McDonald's let the kids run around in the playland, and get some work done on your laptop.
Now will the cost of putting wireless in McDonald be enough money to make it worth it, I don't know.
Who cares if it benefits you.
The point is about a major chain offering Wi-Fi.
Let's think, if McDonalds is offering it and it does well then maybe others will follow suit.
Wi-Fi could become very common. To most people this is news.
Sorry neither the world nor slashdot revolves you and your ego.
What are you wanting to do?
Should the indecent exposure laws be repealed?
These laws are in place so people will not see certain things. In the past this was judged by society to be a good thing.
Enter the Internet. Many things on the Internet, parents would not want there children to see, especially at young ages.
Parents have a choice watch their kids always while on the Internet(sounds simple but not realistic)
But some sort of software to block(not real effective from what I hear).
Ban the internet.
Free use of Internet.
The problem is this, a friends of mine's son(8 years old) usually goes to certain kids sight to play games(lego.com etc) He got bored and then when to boy.com because to him is sounded innocent.
Big mistake, men-on-men and lots of it.
This is not something most parents want their children to be exposed to at such a young age.
Most parents don't want porn off the internet, they just want porno e-mails and sites like boy.com off to stop.
The mud slinging I hear around here is not going to solve the problems, and this is a problem that will have to be solved.
Bull crap, stop spewing such nonsense. You have no idea what the editors do, and stop acting like you do. You bring nothing to the conversation except blather.
I don't understand why folks are saying that SlashDot is selling out.
While you may not like the editors, they have t o be paid somwhow. Banner ads aren't what they used to be.
And how much does the computer equipment cost? The bandwidth?
And you gripe about those who pay get benefits and gripe about banner ads. I don't understand.
It costs a good bit of money to run a site like slashdot why should it be completely free?
Understood. I believe that socialism is a fine idea on paper, but in reality just doesn't work.
Settle down dochood
All I am saying is that they lived liked socialists.
Your point about willingly is a good one and well taken.
Nothing wrong with Socialism, except it is very inefficent in large populations. It seems to ignore the human factor.
Most of my Christian friends seem to forget that the early Christians where basically socialists(look in the book of Acts)
Certain things in government need to be run in this way, but my preference is for as little as possible.
Good points.
But I find you last couple of statements rather humorous.
>instead of lying around like a lump on saturdays and sundays watching worthless things like football, basketball or car racing.
> I watch DVD's on linux
About 10 times less as when you mow your lawn.
You don't have many friends do you?
>Maybe its because X stations do not do sound (or do it poorly) and have few first person shooter games available. I dunno.
That's the thing I would think colleges and business would care about games. If students want to play games let them play on their own machines!
Well it seems it a mystery to you and me both.
Oh well
I have worked as a NT admin, for about 1000 nodes. Taking care of these systems was a nightmare in my humble opinion. Software updates(SMS usually works), people screwing up their system(No, I didn't install AOL after you said not too). But I love Bonzai Buddy!, virus updates, back-ups, etc.
;-) )
I then went to work at a Unix shop, it took me awhile to get used to certain aspects(throwing windows, the process is running on the server), etc. Things that seems so obvious now. Quick note, ask a Windows user to bring up a share and run a program from the share, does the program run a the share or locally.) Windows users don't think like this everything runs runs locally.
No, I understand why my mother wants to use Windows, and most other lay folks. I think Windows does certain things very well(besides crashing
What I don't understand if why big business
and many colleges don't use a system with x-terminals and beefy servers in the back. Most students/workers only need e-mail, internet, word processing on lab computers. Those departments that have to have program that only run on Windows could get Windows machines.
It would seem to save alot of time and money. But I may also be naive.
So why isn't this more common(or is it and I just havn't noticed)?
Please don't answer that MS has brainwashed everyone, or everyone is just stupid, etc.
Nader talking out of his rear?
Never!
Maybe, if they had anything to gain, but with a NetHack plug what are they hoping to gain?