and while Windows 2000 is better it is still not as stable.
There is a lot that cmd.exe doesn't do, to even suggest it has the power of a unix shell is absurd. grep, awk, sed, etc
and alt-tab sucks, pasting between windows sucks, listen I am a windows user(some would say an expert). Not saying everyone should use linux, mac, or windows they all have problems and advantages. I am saying that Linux has things to learn from MS. And vice versa.
I am not a mandrake user do not even run linux, I just don't to have to go out and find standard utilities(on most unix boxes) when I want to ssh, etc.
why do you think MS put those games on Windows 3.1 in the first place?
To get users familiar using a mouse and pointing and clicking.
The quickest way to get most users comfortable on a machine(OS), is let them play some simple yet fun games. Card games are a perfect choice.
MS OS have problems because of stability, crappy command line, crappy windows system(unless u only run 1 maybe 2 programs at a time), lack of utilities installed, etc.
But in terms of being user friendly, ease of installing programs, and relative ease of installing hardware, there is a lot to learn from them.
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I hear people always say how insecure Windows is and how they would never ever hook a windows machine directly to the Internet.
I am probably wrong here but I would think a Win98 machine would be much more secure than a *ix box, as long as file sharing is turned off. The Windows box doesn't serve anything up(no telnet, web server, e-mail, etc) what do you attack without filesharing and no services?
I ran a win98 box(without file sharing) for a couple of years directly off my cable modem never had a problem(was I stupid and lucky) or is it fairly secure?
Please note I am not even coming close to saying MS servers products are secure rather their win98 or win95 product is secure from attacks over the internet as long as file sharing is turned off.
Actually this is good point. Most teachers would prefer physics to be the first science taught, it is just that the math skills are not there. So it waits to Jr/Sr in HS or college
I taught high school math, so I might be a little bias. Have you thought about finding a high school teacher to tutor you? Meet once a week and pay him/her x amount of dollars per week. Ask any of the high schoolers, they know who the good ones are. I would think most hs teachers would be happy to do it. They would probably have some older books they would give to you or sell cheap. This would give you more flexibility than a college class. Of cource you wouldn't get credit.
Also, if you don't care about credit, just show up at a local college class. Buy the book, sit in on lectures, take the test(don't hand it in). Many profs wouldn't mind.
I agree it is easier to get the music now. But no matter what blockades they try to put up, hackers will break them. Instead of embracing technology, they instead freak out, and attempt to stop it.
To me the internet allows them to make more money not less, but instead they are trying to hold on to the past just like before.
Should be fun to watch and see how things pan out.
Let's see when radio first came out the record companies freaked. They figure that no one would buy a record if you could get here it over the radio. They were wrong.
When the tape cassette came out, the record companies freaked, everybody would copy thier friends tape or tape off the radio. They figure no one would buy would buy their tapes. They were wrong.
When the vcr first came on the scene, the movie industry freaked, who would go see movies if you watch it for free? They figured people would stop going to movies. They were wrong.
Don't have the stats but I would guess that the above three all made them more money than without them.
Now, we have recordable cd's and dvd's, and they are freaked. Who will buy music/movies if people can copy it over the internet?
I believe I am sounding like a broken record, but these folks are obtuse.::sigh::
>Get a clue. It's up to the people, even children >what they do and do not want to look at
The dumbest statement I have seen here in a while. The children should decide? So when they do a search on Toy Story and a bunch of porn sites pop up, they are supposed to go: Is this morally right for me to look at? Gimme me a break.
You have no clue as to how a child's mind works with a statement like that.
Everyone keeps talking about easier Windows is to use than Linux, espically for novices. I am not sure I agree. I do believe Windows in easier to set-up and get apps running on, but if he had someone who knew Linux then this person would do all the "hard" stuff and users would just click here for this app and click here for this app give the users some credit. ATM's don't use Windows and people seem to work with them just fine.
You seem to be confusion SyAdmin jobs with CS and other technical jobs. A sysAdmin should have a good people skills and good technical skills. CS people skills are less important.
Seems to comparing apples and oranges on one thing.
With Windows there is a base install, I know you can choose if you want wordpad and such but for the most part a simple base install.
With SUSE you have to pick packages etc. but its seems that time spent here would be saved by not having to install them it later, as you would with with Windows.
Not saying one is better than the other just different.
>I love posts that start out with 'no.' They're >second only to ones that start with 'wrong.' >They're the best.
Glad you liked it!
You asked a question I gave you an answer.
I don't think a dog's feedback would be better if I was interested in programming a robot.
I absolutely agree that a real dog/cat/komodo dragon would make a better pet than an AIBO, just watch your fingers around that lizard.
But I still feel you miss the point on why people are buying these things and why a SDK is exciting some people. It is because they can program a robot, doesn't matter what it looks like. Sony made it look like a dog because it will sell better that way and people can relate to it better.
BTW, I own a border collie(with bones, fur, and lots of enegry) and have no intention of purchasing a AIBO.
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and while Windows 2000 is better it is still not as stable.
There is a lot that cmd.exe doesn't do, to even suggest it has the power of a unix shell is absurd. grep, awk, sed, etc
and alt-tab sucks, pasting between windows sucks, listen I am a windows user(some would say an expert). Not saying everyone should use linux, mac, or windows they all have problems and advantages. I am saying that Linux has things to learn from MS. And vice versa.
I am not a mandrake user do not even run linux, I just don't to have to go out and find standard utilities(on most unix boxes) when I want to ssh, etc.
why do you think MS put those games on Windows 3.1 in the first place?
To get users familiar using a mouse and pointing and clicking.
The quickest way to get most users comfortable on a machine(OS), is let them play some simple yet fun games. Card games are a perfect choice.
MS OS have problems because of stability, crappy command line, crappy windows system(unless u only run 1 maybe 2 programs at a time), lack of utilities installed, etc.
But in terms of being user friendly, ease of installing programs, and relative ease of installing hardware, there is a lot to learn from them.
and be paying 10 times as much for it
ummm.. fiber to the desktop won't improve downloads speeds from the Internet.
I hear people always say how insecure Windows is and how they would never ever hook a windows machine directly to the Internet.
I am probably wrong here but I would think a Win98 machine would be much more secure than a *ix box, as long as file sharing is turned off. The Windows box doesn't serve anything up(no telnet, web server, e-mail, etc) what do you attack without filesharing and no services?
I ran a win98 box(without file sharing) for a couple of years directly off my cable modem never had a problem(was I stupid and lucky) or is it fairly secure?
Please note I am not even coming close to saying MS servers products are secure rather their win98 or win95 product is secure from attacks over the internet as long as file sharing is turned off.
Interested in any comments.
Actually this is good point. Most teachers would prefer physics to be the first science taught, it is just that the math skills are not there. So it waits to Jr/Sr in HS or college
I taught high school math, so I might be a little bias.
Have you thought about finding a high school teacher to tutor you? Meet once a week and pay him/her x amount of dollars per week. Ask any of the high schoolers, they know who the good ones are. I would think most hs teachers would be happy to do it. They would probably have some older books they would give to you or sell cheap. This would give you more flexibility than a college class. Of cource you wouldn't get credit.
Also, if you don't care about credit, just show up at a local college class. Buy the book, sit in on lectures, take the test(don't hand it in). Many profs wouldn't mind.
Good point.
One thing I don't really care about P2P, I don't even have it installed on any of my systems. And really on listen to music in the car on the radio.
I am not mad at the RIAA, more of an interested observer.
Gripes.
>No matter what you think is best for the RIAA, >you are not the RIAA.
Very good, you are correct I am not the RIAA.
>don't tell them what they should or shouldn't do >with it.
Don't think I did, just looking at past history.
They have shunned change before and they are doing again.
>If you think you can do better, make your own >label and your own fucking music.
Yes, this statment is much more intelligent and meaningful with some crude language throw in, well done!
I agree it is easier to get the music now. But no matter what blockades they try to put up, hackers will break them. Instead of embracing technology, they instead freak out, and attempt to stop it.
To me the internet allows them to make more money not less, but instead they are trying to hold on to the past just like before.
Should be fun to watch and see how things pan out.
Let's see when radio first came out the record companies freaked. They figure that no one would buy a record if you could get here it over the radio. They were wrong.
::sigh::
When the tape cassette came out, the record companies freaked, everybody would copy thier friends tape or tape off the radio. They figure no one would buy would buy their tapes. They were wrong.
When the vcr first came on the scene, the movie industry freaked, who would go see movies if you watch it for free? They figured people would stop going to movies. They were wrong.
Don't have the stats but I would guess that the above three all made them more money than without them.
Now, we have recordable cd's and dvd's, and they are freaked. Who will buy music/movies if people can copy it over the internet?
I believe I am sounding like a broken record, but these folks are obtuse.
>Get a clue. It's up to the people, even children >what they do and do not want to look at
The dumbest statement I have seen here in a while. The children should decide? So when they do a search on Toy Story and a bunch of porn sites pop up, they are supposed to go: Is this morally right for me to look at? Gimme me a break.
You have no clue as to how a child's mind works with a statement like that.
>guess which division of HP made more money than >the other four combined?
As guess who makes LaserJet's? It's Canon. Not sure if they also make the InkJets.
Funny, the best consumer product HP sells IMHO is the LaserJet and Canon actually makes it.
How is this post not modded as a troll? Did he even read the original post?
Everyone keeps talking about easier Windows is to use than Linux, espically for novices. I am not sure I agree. I do believe Windows in easier to set-up and get apps running on, but if he had someone who knew Linux then this person would do all the "hard" stuff and users would just click here for this app and click here for this app give the users some credit.
ATM's don't use Windows and people seem to work with them just fine.
You seem to be confusion SyAdmin jobs with CS and other technical jobs. A sysAdmin should have a good people skills and good technical skills. CS people skills are less important.
I could be wrong but i believe 3.5 was really NT 1.0, marketing issues made it 3.5
I admit it, I'm lost. Well in the sam hill are you talking about?
And next isn't spelled nexty, seem's you missed that. :-0
Are you advocating bundling applications with the operating system?
:-)
Absolutely, I hate having to download Office of Kazaa everytime I re-install Windows
Now the bookseller's will join with the entertainment industry. Nexty we will be seeing books that can't be scanned easily.
Remeber those passkeys for computer games in the 80's that were black on maroon paper? Or some dial thingy.
Gads, and we all should all be programming in assembly, I guess. Screw that C crap it gives you no control!
Seems to comparing apples and oranges on one thing.
With Windows there is a base install, I know you can choose if you want wordpad and such but for the most part a simple base install.
With SUSE you have to pick packages etc. but its seems that time spent here would be saved by not having to install them it later, as you would with with Windows.
Not saying one is better than the other just different.
>I love posts that start out with 'no.' They're >second only to ones that start with 'wrong.' >They're the best.
Glad you liked it!
You asked a question I gave you an answer.
I don't think a dog's feedback would be better if I was interested in programming a robot.
I absolutely agree that a real dog/cat/komodo dragon would make a better pet than an AIBO, just watch your fingers around that lizard.
But I still feel you miss the point on why people are buying these things and why a SDK is exciting some people. It is because they can program a robot, doesn't matter what it looks like. Sony made it look like a dog because it will sell better that way and people can relate to it better.
BTW, I own a border collie(with bones, fur, and lots of enegry) and have no intention of purchasing a AIBO.
Bill
With a really long EULA.