I was going to comment that at a low level it looks to be similar to fuzzy logic in that it is using probability as thresholds for making decisions. If this is the case, then there isn't really anything groundbreaking about this model, since fuzzy logic has been around since the 1960s.
Should be easy enough to include such function inside the snooping machines that NSA has at tier 1 providers and ISP's.
Why would they even bother with such tech? The president gets pissed off at a website. He calls the director of the NSA up. That guy sends a couple of NSA agents to the ISP hosting the site. They tell whoever is there to pull the plug on the server/connection or they get thrown in a windowless hole for five years for treason or whatever. Done deal.
Why would the NSA bother building some complex tech hack when two guys with guns and hand cuffs 'just plain work'?
Why even include anything that relates to your mothers name? Why even give attackers that much? Just provide a 30 character string of random characters. It's not like anyone actually checks that your mom isn't named 'DFER%$^YBNSwerwer4r67786^##$%#%GFH'...
While I agree with your DIY mentality, I have seen these tables in person. They are very well done, and you would need a shop full of tools and many years of carpentry experience to produce a product of equal quality. Also, supposing you had the tools, the experience and the space to work on such a project, this would take a considerable amount of time to build.
China will never budge on these issues (at least not in my lifetime)
The Chinese government will budge if they think they are about to be lined up and shot by the enraged population. Each time they do something that irks the 'masses' they are one step closer to this end. this might happen next year, it might happen next century. The only thing I can say is that Google leaving China isn't a net plus for the communist government.
"The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an *original story not written by Tolkien*, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings."
Thanks but no thanks.
Hey come on now, Tolkien's grand kids need Ferraris, hookers, and blow. Don't begrudge them the simple hobbit necessities of life....
You read my mind. "Do no evil" is a good mantra for Google, but it also means they will lose business in China, and somebody else will gain a virtually monopoly as the "default" search engine - namely Microsoft. So come 2020 we'll have a divided world where Google is the #1 search engine in America/Europe and MS Bing will be #1 in China and its protectorates.
The whole 'do no evil' mantra is a brilliant bit of PR. Sure, they might lose out on some business in China, but if Google is leaving China because they wish to 'do no evil', isn't the implication that anyone replacing them 'doing evil'?
Bing is no Google. They only have market share because they have MS's bankroll backing them. It is yet another MS 'me too' attempt at playing catch up with a market that that blazed past them.
I am not sure that this is really about censorship. This is a staring contest.
Google called China out as a pack of thieves and thugs by revealing their hacking and break-ins.
Google made a statement that this was close to the 'last straw', and that they were thinking of leaving China.
This is an attempt by China to try to out stare Google. The topic on the table isn't really the question of 'Will Google stay in China an stop filtering the internet'?
By changing the focus of the debate, China is trying to recast the issue as China's laws vs. a foreign company who doesn't want to follow them.
If Google leave under these terms, it doesn't look as bad for China.
The security industry will always be unable to protect everyone 100% of the time.
...sort of like how the TSA and the government cannot provide 100% security from gangsters/drugdealers/terrorists/. I think that the posted topic reads like the common hysterical notion of, 'Why can't X protect me from dangerous stuff all of the time?'
To address the main topic: How have security firms 'failed'? Billions of dollars flow about the internet on a daily basis without a hitch. Huge amounts of data is seen by the people that need to see it and isn't seen by those who don't. Sure, stuff like Google's break in looks spectacular, but really? You are calling security firms impotent when it they cannot stop a HUGE FRIGGEN COUNTRY with vast resources at its disposal from breaching security here and there?
but I am also oppose to illegals destroy our economy (and yes, they are costing America HUGE
How is that exactly? I suppose they wear out the sidewalks by walking on them without paying taxes...
What is the difference between an 'illegal' and a citizen? A few pieces of paper. Perhaps the problem isn't trying to enforce a quasi-racist policy (nobody complains about illegal immigrants from Canada.), perhaps you should try to make it simpler to become a citizen.
I say take anyone who wants to be here who isn't a convicted serial killer.
Before you get too holy about 'illegals', keep in mind that you, your parents, or your grandparents were probably immigrants at one time.
Also a lot of lawyers legitimately believe even if their clients committed a crime, they did not commit what they're being charged with.
To be fair, the act of properly charging someone with the proper crime can be very arbitrary. Prosecuters look at what they think a defendant is guilty of, based on police reports, and charges them with whatever they feel they can get a conviction with. A good defense lawyer will make sure that the accused doesn't get screwed when the police write an inaccurate report and the DA decides to make an example of someone.
While it seems the scientists are still out on the long term effects of low level electromagnetic radiation exposure, consider that the Placebo Effect is well known and quite real. If you think you are going to feel ill as a result of being exposed to the radiation, you probably will.
Personally, I am a little dubious that it is harmful, since we are constantly bathed in all sorts of low level electromagnetic radiation just living on Earth. Its possible that microwave radiation can cause caner, but any more so than tv, radio waves, UV, infrared, etc?
My initial reaction to this was "what, they don't have other search engines on the Internet?" I mean, I use Google myself, and I'm quite happy with it, but if it disappeared tomorrow I'd just start using something else.
My initial reaction was, "what, China actually conducts its own research rather than steal it?!?!?!"
But that is an unfair generalization. As I thought about it more carefully I realized that of course China does its own research. It is after all, a world leader in industrial espionage, miniature camera technology, and software security. You don't get to the front of such competitive fields without doing a LOT of research in them...
The whole idea of disconnecting people for engaging in copyright violations is so idiotic that it make my head hurt. Ignoring the fact that copyright violation is a civil offense (as opposed to criminal) in most cases, removing a basic service from a person isn't an appropriate response. As an example, if someone is convicted of growing marijuana, they don't get blacklisted from the electric company. If someone is convinced of dumping chemical waste in a river, they don't get their water and sewage turned off.
ACTA is a clear example of politicians selling themselves like a pack of whores to corporate interests.
I don't know that things are that grim, several very large or prominent companies in the market today began as small start ups. Sure, there is some risk there, and not everyone will grow to the size of Google, but The arguments that are mentioned (liability, volatility) apply to any sort of independent venture. I don't see developers as having a particularly hard time. In fact, considering the nature of their product, the cheapness of the tools and software for writing code, and the relative ease of finding willing investors compared to starting up a conventional goods manafacturing business, and I would have to say that being a indy dev is pretty darned easy.
Don't you realize they have us by the balls? Do you have any idea how much of our debt they carry?
And exactly how does this give them any real power over us? More to the point, by wording it as you did, you suggest that there is some sort of individual that all the money is owed to that can make a collective decision on how to behave should we piss the government off.
Ignoring the problems people are pointing out about your assumptions around bond return rates and inflation, If you just put the money in the bank and count up interest, you aren't buying power which is the whole reason for the exercise. So in addition to the erosion of your investment returns from inflation, you also are paying out some sum to buy the energy you need, further eroding your investment stake. Also, any good corporate tax accountant will depreciate the hell out of the bloom boxes on taxes, so I am not sure that your suggestion is quite a good as it sounds.
Actually, quite a lot, as long as we are willing to give up accurate color perception in the spectrum we see in now.
Or give up seeing in the visible spectrum while viewing other ranges. It would also be possible to shift the range and just remap the existing color depths.
My Dad just had a stroke and has no perception on the left side of his body.
Hmmm, but this isn't really blindness resulting from eye damage is it? It sounds to me like his problem is that the signals coming out of his left eye are being mapped into damaged brain tissue. It sounds like he just needs a new 'optical data input port' installed in his brain.
It sounds so trivial, doesn't it? Just rerouting a few electrical impulses around a damaged network node...
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I was going to comment that at a low level it looks to be similar to fuzzy logic in that it is using probability as thresholds for making decisions. If this is the case, then there isn't really anything groundbreaking about this model, since fuzzy logic has been around since the 1960s.
Should be easy enough to include such function inside the snooping machines that NSA has at tier 1 providers and ISP's.
Why would they even bother with such tech? The president gets pissed off at a website. He calls the director of the NSA up. That guy sends a couple of NSA agents to the ISP hosting the site. They tell whoever is there to pull the plug on the server/connection or they get thrown in a windowless hole for five years for treason or whatever. Done deal.
Why would the NSA bother building some complex tech hack when two guys with guns and hand cuffs 'just plain work'?
Why even include anything that relates to your mothers name? Why even give attackers that much? Just provide a 30 character string of random characters. It's not like anyone actually checks that your mom isn't named 'DFER%$^YBNSwerwer4r67786^##$%#%GFH'...
While I agree with your DIY mentality, I have seen these tables in person. They are very well done, and you would need a shop full of tools and many years of carpentry experience to produce a product of equal quality. Also, supposing you had the tools, the experience and the space to work on such a project, this would take a considerable amount of time to build.
China will never budge on these issues (at least not in my lifetime)
The Chinese government will budge if they think they are about to be lined up and shot by the enraged population. Each time they do something that irks the 'masses' they are one step closer to this end. this might happen next year, it might happen next century. The only thing I can say is that Google leaving China isn't a net plus for the communist government.
I'll mention another famous aerosmith video in reply to your post, 'Dude looks like a lady'....
Imagine how depressing this must be for Google China employees.
No worries, they can't see it. I'm sure it is filtered..
You sure as hell *better* interfere with your 16-17 year old's sex life.
You presume that you will always make better choices than your children will? Interesting...
"The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an *original story not written by Tolkien*, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings." Thanks but no thanks.
Hey come on now, Tolkien's grand kids need Ferraris, hookers, and blow. Don't begrudge them the simple hobbit necessities of life....
You read my mind. "Do no evil" is a good mantra for Google, but it also means they will lose business in China, and somebody else will gain a virtually monopoly as the "default" search engine - namely Microsoft. So come 2020 we'll have a divided world where Google is the #1 search engine in America/Europe and MS Bing will be #1 in China and its protectorates.
The whole 'do no evil' mantra is a brilliant bit of PR. Sure, they might lose out on some business in China, but if Google is leaving China because they wish to 'do no evil', isn't the implication that anyone replacing them 'doing evil'?
Bing is no Google. They only have market share because they have MS's bankroll backing them. It is yet another MS 'me too' attempt at playing catch up with a market that that blazed past them.
As good as this technique may or may not be, it's not security. It's damage control
If damage control occurs in real time with 100% accuracy, do you care about prevention?
I am not sure that this is really about censorship. This is a staring contest.
Google called China out as a pack of thieves and thugs by revealing their hacking and break-ins.
Google made a statement that this was close to the 'last straw', and that they were thinking of leaving China.
This is an attempt by China to try to out stare Google. The topic on the table isn't really the question of 'Will Google stay in China an stop filtering the internet'? By changing the focus of the debate, China is trying to recast the issue as China's laws vs. a foreign company who doesn't want to follow them.
If Google leave under these terms, it doesn't look as bad for China.
The security industry will always be unable to protect everyone 100% of the time.
...sort of like how the TSA and the government cannot provide 100% security from gangsters/drugdealers/terrorists/. I think that the posted topic reads like the common hysterical notion of, 'Why can't X protect me from dangerous stuff all of the time?'
To address the main topic: How have security firms 'failed'? Billions of dollars flow about the internet on a daily basis without a hitch. Huge amounts of data is seen by the people that need to see it and isn't seen by those who don't. Sure, stuff like Google's break in looks spectacular, but really? You are calling security firms impotent when it they cannot stop a HUGE FRIGGEN COUNTRY with vast resources at its disposal from breaching security here and there?
but I am also oppose to illegals destroy our economy (and yes, they are costing America HUGE
How is that exactly? I suppose they wear out the sidewalks by walking on them without paying taxes...
What is the difference between an 'illegal' and a citizen? A few pieces of paper. Perhaps the problem isn't trying to enforce a quasi-racist policy (nobody complains about illegal immigrants from Canada.), perhaps you should try to make it simpler to become a citizen.
I say take anyone who wants to be here who isn't a convicted serial killer.
Before you get too holy about 'illegals', keep in mind that you, your parents, or your grandparents were probably immigrants at one time.
Also a lot of lawyers legitimately believe even if their clients committed a crime, they did not commit what they're being charged with.
To be fair, the act of properly charging someone with the proper crime can be very arbitrary. Prosecuters look at what they think a defendant is guilty of, based on police reports, and charges them with whatever they feel they can get a conviction with. A good defense lawyer will make sure that the accused doesn't get screwed when the police write an inaccurate report and the DA decides to make an example of someone.
While it seems the scientists are still out on the long term effects of low level electromagnetic radiation exposure, consider that the Placebo Effect is well known and quite real. If you think you are going to feel ill as a result of being exposed to the radiation, you probably will.
Personally, I am a little dubious that it is harmful, since we are constantly bathed in all sorts of low level electromagnetic radiation just living on Earth. Its possible that microwave radiation can cause caner, but any more so than tv, radio waves, UV, infrared, etc?
My initial reaction to this was "what, they don't have other search engines on the Internet?" I mean, I use Google myself, and I'm quite happy with it, but if it disappeared tomorrow I'd just start using something else.
My initial reaction was, "what, China actually conducts its own research rather than steal it?!?!?!"
But that is an unfair generalization. As I thought about it more carefully I realized that of course China does its own research. It is after all, a world leader in industrial espionage, miniature camera technology, and software security. You don't get to the front of such competitive fields without doing a LOT of research in them...
The whole idea of disconnecting people for engaging in copyright violations is so idiotic that it make my head hurt. Ignoring the fact that copyright violation is a civil offense (as opposed to criminal) in most cases, removing a basic service from a person isn't an appropriate response. As an example, if someone is convicted of growing marijuana, they don't get blacklisted from the electric company. If someone is convinced of dumping chemical waste in a river, they don't get their water and sewage turned off.
ACTA is a clear example of politicians selling themselves like a pack of whores to corporate interests.
I don't know that things are that grim, several very large or prominent companies in the market today began as small start ups. Sure, there is some risk there, and not everyone will grow to the size of Google, but The arguments that are mentioned (liability, volatility) apply to any sort of independent venture. I don't see developers as having a particularly hard time. In fact, considering the nature of their product, the cheapness of the tools and software for writing code, and the relative ease of finding willing investors compared to starting up a conventional goods manafacturing business, and I would have to say that being a indy dev is pretty darned easy.
Don't you realize they have us by the balls? Do you have any idea how much of our debt they carry?
And exactly how does this give them any real power over us? More to the point, by wording it as you did, you suggest that there is some sort of individual that all the money is owed to that can make a collective decision on how to behave should we piss the government off.
Ignoring the problems people are pointing out about your assumptions around bond return rates and inflation, If you just put the money in the bank and count up interest, you aren't buying power which is the whole reason for the exercise. So in addition to the erosion of your investment returns from inflation, you also are paying out some sum to buy the energy you need, further eroding your investment stake. Also, any good corporate tax accountant will depreciate the hell out of the bloom boxes on taxes, so I am not sure that your suggestion is quite a good as it sounds.
helped bring the end of the denuclearization of many European countries...
Ending denuclearization?!?!?! You mean renuclearization of European countries?
Yeah, I would have to agree. Giving the likes of 4chan a more direct communication mode to pretty much anyone could only lead to trouble....
Actually, quite a lot, as long as we are willing to give up accurate color perception in the spectrum we see in now.
Or give up seeing in the visible spectrum while viewing other ranges. It would also be possible to shift the range and just remap the existing color depths.
My Dad just had a stroke and has no perception on the left side of his body.
Hmmm, but this isn't really blindness resulting from eye damage is it? It sounds to me like his problem is that the signals coming out of his left eye are being mapped into damaged brain tissue. It sounds like he just needs a new 'optical data input port' installed in his brain.
It sounds so trivial, doesn't it? Just rerouting a few electrical impulses around a damaged network node...