"Apple is becoming like M$. Charging for their Win98 to Win98SE 'bug fix'."
You would think that Apple would have learned from M$ mistakes.
I have never seen so many MAC users pissed off!!! Hopefully, Apple doesn't burn too many bridges with this paid point release and their "pay-us-now-that-everyone-you-know-uses-your-mac.c om-addy"...
I wonder why the sudden big push for revenue from traditionally free services? Don't we pay enough for the hardware?!?
I can say that having worked for software companies for the past 5 years, that NO ONE wants to pay that much for a point release. If OS X.2 was really that ladden with new features, it would be OS Y or whatever they'll call the next one.
At the least, this was a pretty big mistake by Apple's marketing/sales department. Simply put, paid point releases piss people off.
It's pretty disturbing how one day/. can post a story about how MAC users are smarter than PC folks, then run a story on how Apple is trying to pork their customers with tools for simpletons (at least the home page builder) by holding our existing email accounts hostage (eventually).
This is great for my mom (or my friend, or many of my coworkers) who can barely turn on their Mac, but not for the UNIX/MAC crowd.
I find it ironic that Apple is giving their customers a big dose of M$ style medicine.
But... Businesses are businesses. Apple needs to make money. This strikes me that if Apple became the defacto standard for computing, they'd deal with us as roughly as M$ has. Why? Because they're a business. They aren't out to give away the farm. They are out to succeed and make money for those investing in them. Yes, they want to put out a quality product. But their top priority is to make money and position themselves as best they can within the market.
And Jeff Goldblum seemed so mellow; I thought I was safe...;^)
From my experience, most companies are using Dreamweaver to create corporate websites, or at least to keep it up.
Frankly, those who insist that text based editing is the way to go are either working on sites that aren't very "fashionable" or are insane enough to be able to keep nested tables, layers, ect all strait in their head (which I personally think is too much work when "mastering" a visually rich website. I understand there are many websites that aren't on the edge of design and thus text based editing is completely feasible, but in the corporate world, the big wigs want something that is the standard for content creation, which much to most of your chagrins, is a WYSIWYG and is Dreamweaver. Why is this? Becuase it is quicker to layout a page using Office style commands and shortcuts in something like Dreamweaver than a text editor. Any day. Don't get me wrong, I hate Frontpage and still have to clean up lots of code from folks sending me content drafts having used Frontpage.
Dreamweaver, BTW, is set at default to create code that is compliant for both Netscape and IE. You can target specific versions of browsers and can use a command to "clean up" Frontpage code.
Frontpage is stupid to use as it inserts all kinds of crappy code that shows differently in different browsers.
Now one major issue is that at the last three companies I worked at, web logs would show that IE makes up for 95% of all viewers. Netscape is about 4.9%. Though I test on Netscape and IE on both Windows and Mac, is it really economically feasible to test on other browsers other than the two that make up for 99.9% of all visitors to most corporate websites?
IMHO, I think no.
I know that this post runs the risk of being unpopular, but I thought I would share the view of one who is a jack-of-all-trades-marketing/web guy.
I wonder if Microsoft's own "Reg Cleaner" will clean up after uninstalling the Media Player. Interestng...
So what everyone is saying is that Microsoft will now control digital rights management even though I uninstalled the entire Windows Media Player (not just the patch)?
Let me know as maybe a fresh install of Windows is in order.
You would be surprised that contact control spray will "fix" many old electronic parts. It has gotten me out of jams many times and I'd highly recommend it.
Hardware store usually carry it and brand doesn't really matter.
I have fixed quite a few Atari joysticks with this.
Having worked for a few commercial software companies, one being a music software company that was one of the more pirated at the time, I found that the company's standpoint on piracy was that it was not all that bad, in most cases.
Those who will use your software in a professional capacity will usually pay for it.
Those who will not use it in a professional capacity, will learn it and possible work for an employer who either already owns it or will likely buy it for said "now former non-professional" to use it.
At the end of the day, you have an increased user base. Revenue doesn't really change as the non-professionals wouldn't have paid for it anyway.
Of course, I didn't work for Microsoft or a similar company who's products are meant for absolutely everyone (in their book) and thus every pirated copy really is considered lost revenue.
"as far out into the edges of a ubiquitous internetwork as Moore's Law will allow"
After all, we can't have all of us NOT buying new, more powerful boxes.
At least my spell check can run 2000 times faster than I need it to.
Yes, I know the reviewer is speaking of servers pushing the limits, but we all get screwed, i mean the benefit of buying new boxes at new speeds.
I equate it to buying a Porche to be used as a taxi.
To me, a real technological inovation would be to create new software (and DBs) that run better and faster on existing equiptment and not force everyone to buy the latest and greatest.
I guess I'm not the biggest fan of planned obsolecense (like my 8-bit Nintendo).
I would agree that the letter of their law (the SLA, user agreement, ect) definitely would spell out their bandwidth cap, proper usage, ect and that these poor saps were doing wrong.
But this smacks to me of guys caught with acid who are spending 30 years in jail.
I realize there are laws that might spell certain criminal legal action, but this seems like more of a civil suit kind of deal.
Meanwhile, there are certainly crimes being comitted that are far worse than this and our G-men, I feel, are wasting their time and our money.
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"Apple is becoming like M$. Charging for their Win98 to Win98SE 'bug fix'."
c om-addy"...
You would think that Apple would have learned from M$ mistakes.
I have never seen so many MAC users pissed off!!! Hopefully, Apple doesn't burn too many bridges with this paid point release and their "pay-us-now-that-everyone-you-know-uses-your-mac.
I wonder why the sudden big push for revenue from traditionally free services? Don't we pay enough for the hardware?!?
"Apple has no such conflict - they own the whole ball of wax"
;^)
Hopefully the Feds won't read your post and decide that Apple is fostering some sort of monopoly.
I can say that having worked for software companies for the past 5 years, that NO ONE wants to pay that much for a point release. If OS X.2 was really that ladden with new features, it would be OS Y or whatever they'll call the next one.
At the least, this was a pretty big mistake by Apple's marketing/sales department. Simply put, paid point releases piss people off.
How's that for alliteration?
I think someone once said the same thing about M$...
It's pretty disturbing how one day /. can post a story about how MAC users are smarter than PC folks, then run a story on how Apple is trying to pork their customers with tools for simpletons (at least the home page builder) by holding our existing email accounts hostage (eventually).
;^)
This is great for my mom (or my friend, or many of my coworkers) who can barely turn on their Mac, but not for the UNIX/MAC crowd.
I find it ironic that Apple is giving their customers a big dose of M$ style medicine.
But... Businesses are businesses. Apple needs to make money. This strikes me that if Apple became the defacto standard for computing, they'd deal with us as roughly as M$ has. Why? Because they're a business. They aren't out to give away the farm. They are out to succeed and make money for those investing in them. Yes, they want to put out a quality product. But their top priority is to make money and position themselves as best they can within the market.
And Jeff Goldblum seemed so mellow; I thought I was safe...
I have a bridge to sell you if you are interested.
;^)
PT Barnum is rolling in his grave, trying to reach you on the phone...
You would think The Navy make one for the water too...
Next, the Army will enlist the services of Auqaman.
Though they gave us Celine Dion, they also gave us Basketball (J. Naismith) and those yummy BC nugs...
From my experience, most companies are using Dreamweaver to create corporate websites, or at least to keep it up.
Frankly, those who insist that text based editing is the way to go are either working on sites that aren't very "fashionable" or are insane enough to be able to keep nested tables, layers, ect all strait in their head (which I personally think is too much work when "mastering" a visually rich website. I understand there are many websites that aren't on the edge of design and thus text based editing is completely feasible, but in the corporate world, the big wigs want something that is the standard for content creation, which much to most of your chagrins, is a WYSIWYG and is Dreamweaver. Why is this? Becuase it is quicker to layout a page using Office style commands and shortcuts in something like Dreamweaver than a text editor. Any day. Don't get me wrong, I hate Frontpage and still have to clean up lots of code from folks sending me content drafts having used Frontpage.
Dreamweaver, BTW, is set at default to create code that is compliant for both Netscape and IE. You can target specific versions of browsers and can use a command to "clean up" Frontpage code.
Frontpage is stupid to use as it inserts all kinds of crappy code that shows differently in different browsers.
Now one major issue is that at the last three companies I worked at, web logs would show that IE makes up for 95% of all viewers. Netscape is about 4.9%. Though I test on Netscape and IE on both Windows and Mac, is it really economically feasible to test on other browsers other than the two that make up for 99.9% of all visitors to most corporate websites?
IMHO, I think no.
I know that this post runs the risk of being unpopular, but I thought I would share the view of one who is a jack-of-all-trades-marketing/web guy.
I wonder if Microsoft's own "Reg Cleaner" will clean up after uninstalling the Media Player. Interestng...
So what everyone is saying is that Microsoft will now control digital rights management even though I uninstalled the entire Windows Media Player (not just the patch)?
Let me know as maybe a fresh install of Windows is in order.
I'm uninstalling right away.
This is unbelievable. Microsoft really IS evil.
You would be surprised that contact control spray will "fix" many old electronic parts. It has gotten me out of jams many times and I'd highly recommend it.
Hardware store usually carry it and brand doesn't really matter.
I have fixed quite a few Atari joysticks with this.
the second asshole my wife will tear me if I buy this thing.
damn
Having worked for a few commercial software companies, one being a music software company that was one of the more pirated at the time, I found that the company's standpoint on piracy was that it was not all that bad, in most cases.
Those who will use your software in a professional capacity will usually pay for it.
Those who will not use it in a professional capacity, will learn it and possible work for an employer who either already owns it or will likely buy it for said "now former non-professional" to use it.
At the end of the day, you have an increased user base. Revenue doesn't really change as the non-professionals wouldn't have paid for it anyway.
Of course, I didn't work for Microsoft or a similar company who's products are meant for absolutely everyone (in their book) and thus every pirated copy really is considered lost revenue.
Normally, I would suggest that you try here:
c ti on=web&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mbone.com&Submit=Take+ Me+Back%21
http://web.archive.org/archive_request_ng?colle
Unfortunately, The Wayback Machine seems to be having issues.
Maybe Google has a cached page of this cached page.
;^)
Step one: Place X-Box on secure platform.
Step two: Place drink on X-Box
Step three: Turn on Gamecube and enjoy.
I'd respond to ask you for more details, but you don't have the balls to say who you are.
Oh well. So much for fostering a community of like minds.
Oh yeah, I need to get a scientific clue first before I can consider myself "like minded" to you.
;^)
well, mod the phone so that the lazer is at 65000 nm.
I'll bet you might see an internal cavity then...
;^)
...or in a movie theater.
Now, not only do you need to set your phone to vibrate, but also turn your mouse off.
Geesh.
I think it is so that my one year old son can try to blind himself trying to look into the lazer-esqe light when he plays with the phone.
Plus, as consumers, we're never satisfied with the same ol'.
I've decided to mod my existing cell phone to use my 15" lcd display. This way the mouse might seem more at "home".
Plus, we all love Tivo (and ReplayTV).
;^)
We all hate Gator and related spyware.
Come now, lets not group these two together, even if there is a faint connection between the two in terms of morals.
PVRs ROCK!!!
"as far out into the edges of a ubiquitous internetwork as Moore's Law will allow"
After all, we can't have all of us NOT buying new, more powerful boxes.
At least my spell check can run 2000 times faster than I need it to.
Yes, I know the reviewer is speaking of servers pushing the limits, but we all get screwed, i mean the benefit of buying new boxes at new speeds.
I equate it to buying a Porche to be used as a taxi.
To me, a real technological inovation would be to create new software (and DBs) that run better and faster on existing equiptment and not force everyone to buy the latest and greatest.
I guess I'm not the biggest fan of planned obsolecense (like my 8-bit Nintendo).
Just my 1 cent.
I would agree that the letter of their law (the SLA, user agreement, ect) definitely would spell out their bandwidth cap, proper usage, ect and that these poor saps were doing wrong.
But this smacks to me of guys caught with acid who are spending 30 years in jail.
I realize there are laws that might spell certain criminal legal action, but this seems like more of a civil suit kind of deal.
Meanwhile, there are certainly crimes being comitted that are far worse than this and our G-men, I feel, are wasting their time and our money.
Oh well, what else is new...
Come on! The FBI now needs to do everything over the top.
Unless it involves protecting the US from terrorism, pre-9/11.
Now they will scurry to "protect national interests" like a small IP's "lost revenue".
That is kind of fuzzy, isn't it? I mean, did other customers go without bandwidth becuase of these few? Somehow, I doubt it.
Eh, what the heck. Let's increase their budget by 100%. This way they can start busting teens who crack the latest version of Dreamweaver.
how often will you post this in this thread and not get modded down "redundant"?
Hell, I post something and while I am drafting it, someone else posts a similar thought and I get modded down.
What a fucked up system.
No offense against the parent post. I don't even know what you are pushing.