Why don't you have the balls to post without using AC? You think someone is going to *gasp* mod you down? THE HORROR.
But secondly, this is a discussion board. It's ALL ABOUT what the fuck we feel. What else? Should everyone that posts with their opinion now stop doing so, and only post the opinion of a sampling of the public? "I'd like to reply to you, but I need to check with the community and see if they'll sign the petition first."
Well, you've already spent the money on the Xbox 360, and it IS a comparable system to the PS3. I think the PS3 has more muster in the power department, and it has quite a few more extras and cool stuff, but solely based on games they're similar. So, why WOULD you buy a PS3? There's no huge compelling reason for you at this point. (likewise, there's not big compelling reason for me to purchase an Xbox 360.)
But, only about 10 million people have purchased Xbox 360's. That leaves so many more consumers that haven't purchased one, that may be in the market for a game console system. For you, you might be happy with your previous purchase, but for other people, we'll see. (I also think that eventually, both the Xbox 360 and PS3 will retake all the market share Nintendo might have gained due to the Wii, because it's a very limited platform.)
I agree fully with you that Sony hasn't done a great job marketing this thing. I mean, it's a game system, but it's also a bunch more then that, and I've never once seen an advertisement showing it to be anything other than a better PS2. It's really curious why corporations sometimes make mistakes like this that, to the consumer, are very obvious.
I don't know about cross-platform games, but what that generally means right now is "Ports from the Xbox 360." Many developers will rework the game engine a little bit to make it run on the PS3 and release it. Games that actually had some work put into them, such as Oblivion, show that the PS3 is a better system then you make it out to be.
More work to make the games work better on the system? Boo frickin' hoo. Game production ALWAYS gets more difficult as the years go on. Stop using that as an argument. It's not an impossible task to write PS3 titles properly; it's being done. I have no sympathy for developers that can't develop.
About the memory thing, it should be noted that the CPU RAM is clocked at CPU speed. 3.2Ghz, no tricks.
Only the Elite supports 1080p.
Every single PS1/PS2 title I've tried from my friends' very large game collection have worked flawlessly. Out of the 10 titles I have for my Xbox, five gave me shit on the 360. Awesome.
And don't give me shit about the PS3 controller. It's nearly perfect. Don't you think that Sony would have changed things around with it a little bit in the last decade if people didn't like it? And what, it's not HEAVY enough? Go dream up some new FUD and get back to us. (You don't even mention that the SIXAXIS in the SIXAXIS controller means it's motion sensitive, and it works well.)
Ohh hell no - I've had three upscaling DVD players and they've all done an absolutely shitty job of scaling DVD's compared to the PS3. The PS3, in my opinion, gives a great balance of crisp-ness without making things look plastic. It's very nice. The only time you'll find better if when you have a really expensive $1800 DVD player or a $2000+ scaler.
Yea, I'd be amazed too, but it DOES make sense. There is a point where ALWAYS catering to big business will bite us in the ass. I feel as though one of those issues is outsourcing, and another is communication. If we, the US, fall too far behind everyone else in communication tools because of corporate greed and the government does nothing, the government is only hurting itself.
I suppose we could take this as face value for now, until special stipulations are put in place to allow Verizon, ATT, and T-Mobile to do whatever they want.
The PS3 is a damned cool machine. That's what I've been telling people since I got it. It's been a fun machine to own, it works great, there's nary a glitch to be found anywhere. Sony has continuously improved the capabilities of the system with each update, and Home should add a whole new dimension to online play when it's released.
Nobody will be disappointed with the PS3 if they actually purchased one. The only people you really hear complaining about it are the owners of the Xbox 360; I guess they don't want the competition.
And, not ONLY all that, all of these enthusiast sites continually post overclocked benchmarks for these CPU's.
They used to do it with the Pentium 4 all the time; You'd see a currently available Athlon versus a currently available Pentium 4 in a bechmark chart, and next to it would be a 60% overclocked P4 that requires special cooling. Yet they'd always say "BUT The OverClocked one BLOWS AMD AWAY!"
Just because this is coming from a manufacturer doesn't make it any less valid, and I don't see why AMD has to go hunting for Intel's latest CPU with the same model number (but a different revision) just to keep things fair OUT of their favor.
Besides, all this SPECint and CPU benchmark crap is worthless anyways, unless all you do with your server is run scientific calculations. In real world SMP applications, such as heavy-use VMware servers or database servers with lots of I/O and RAM, the Opterons will always kick the crap out of the Intel boxes with the Northbridge bottleneck. HyperTransport is the key to actually USING all of those system resources.
When Apple released their changes to KHTML for WebKit, it was basically unusable for the KDE team, for that example.
Apple uses a lot of open source code, and have gotten a LOT of their operating system for absolutely nothing. They built a decent OS with the parts, and then locked it down to hell.
Apple does the bare minimum to have the right to use the software that they do. There's nothing wrong with it legally, and it proves that you can use GPL and LGPL code in commercial products. But to say that because the use this code, they somehow support Free Software, is laughable.
They're not too heavy, you're right. But they are heavier then your average TV remote control and pretty solid. It wouldn't take too much to crack or otherwise damage an LCD screen or a rear-projector screen. A plasma TV generally has glass on the front and it's pretty thick, so it would take a lot more force to break one of those.
You don't have to swing the Wii controller hard to play games, but people DO get very carried away, and I can easily see an over-eager player swing the damned thing right into the TV when playing a baseball game or something.
I've played and not used the strap, but some people are reckless I guess. People STILL get fingers chopped off by trying to clear clogs in a running lawn mower, so some broken TV's shouldn't come as a shock =)
Yea, things happen, but we've all been hearing about the Xbox 360's reliability issues since day one. You don't hear about PS3 bricks, or Wii bricks. Yea, it happens, but with the 360 it's been an ongoing problem that persists.
Personally, I'm staying away from the 360 for that fact alone. At least with the PS3, you can plug in a USB hard drive and back your entire system up in case you ever had a disaster.
It could be an external factor, sure, but he does have a PS3, too, and a bunch of other electronics. You'd think that someone else would have exhibited some symptoms by now.
See, here's the problem. It's as if you believe that because the Wii is an old system repackaged, with a new controller, automatically every game is "built for fun" whereas games on other systems are not. You've fallen into the marketing brainwashing and you don't even realize it.
It's not all about the graphics, but they sure do count when you're talking about real cash and future game development. I still lug out my old Atari 2600 (with full faux wood-grain and working paddles) to play the classics like KaBoom! and Super Breakout. They're a lot of fun, and require skills. But I wouldn't pay $250 for an Atari 2600 today because the games are "purchased for fun."
I buy entertainment-centric equipment based on what value they have now and what value they are likely to hold for the future. The Wii just doesn't have the staying power, in my opinion, to retain any real value in the next few years to come. There's been a very underwhelming list of games to be released on the system, and there's a growing sense of "okay, that was neat. But I'm all set" with the system.
Besides, I LIKE GOOD GRAPHICS AND SOUND. What's so bad about that? What's so bad about enjoying ever-increasing realism in games like Elder Scrolls, that offer more and more immersion with each new generation of game system? What's wrong with ever-more realistic flight and driving simulators, or even side-scrollers with fantastic looking models? And what's wrong with wanting to make some use of my HDTV's resolution with my supposed "next gen" game system?
ps. I played a lot of Wii Sports. I must be some kind of prodigy because it's pretty easy to master those games... Swing the controller at the right time and you win. Might as well just be a button.
Dumbass. It's got nothing to do with hating President Bush, and everything to do with showing everyone how stupid the RIAA is and how awful they've been to their own customers.
Maybe Sony should be given credit because they DIDN'T have major flaws in their console?
The PlayStation was the first console to offer real 3D acceleration, which made a huge impact on the types of games available for this system versus anything else before it. They didn't have silly cartoon mascots. The controllers were nearly perfect for any size hand. Even the look of the machine itself was simple, elegant. The machine WAS pretty damned amazing.
The other console options at the time were either A) Too expensive, B) Not available, or C) Old technology that couldn't compete with the PlayStation.
I thought 3DO was awesome when it appeared, and I liked that fact that it wasn't single-vendor. But it's initial offerings were extremely expensive and there was no software available for it.
What Wii games? Well, I've played the one where you can play tennis, bowling, etc. My friend has a couple more, too. We played them with a few friends a couple times and then we all kinda started just wanting to watch a movie instead of playing the Wii. The games seem to end up being all about the controller and swinging it around, and without any real accuracy. It's not fun once you discover that you don't really need to develop any skill to play any of the games.
The graphics and processing power of the Wii are such a joke that I can't believe they even charge $250 for it. It's insane.
Why do I think the PS3 and 360 are more mature systems? Because they aren't all cute bubble cartoon animations and cutesy sounds everywhere. They don't focus on games like WarioWare and Mario and Zelda everything. Everything about the Wii, from the GUI to the games, is child-centric.
The network stuff on the Wii is a PITA. The whole friend code nonsense needs to go.
Nintendo marketing can tell you all day long that the Wii is for.. what is it, Wives now? and you'll believe it, apparently. While they might try to make all games fun for all players, that's an approach that will inevitably lead to games that are mediocre at best: not hard, not complicated, ages 6 and up..
You can argue how much I should love the Wii all day long, and I just will never find it to be that fun. Sure, it's amusing for a little while, but I just don't like it.
But they didn't use the TERM "Open Source" because their software is NOT Open Source. They created a new term that better matches their program.
Whether or not YOU see it that way, obviously Microsoft did, and so does the OSI. The OSI and company branded the term "Open Source" and I think they have every right to make it known when someone tries to use the term for deceptive marketing practices when their product is actually not Open Source.
1) The build the cost of OSX into the price of the machine. 2) Apple PC's use the same hard drives as Dell, IBM, HP, and home built computers 3) Businesses that standardize on Windows don't want Apple PC's. They don't want to dual boot user workstations, and they don't want to deal with the extra complexity. They also don't want to pay those prices for the name Apple, like consumers do. The Apple notebooks aren't as overpriced as the Mac Pro, but they aren't an inexpensive option. 4) Dell's business support is pretty good. 5) He wants to buy a machine, with a free OS, without the big fuss. A Mac + BootCamp + Ubuntu + unsupported = Not What He Wants.
Macintoshes aren't always the solution. Get over it.
It's not a drop in the ocean considering how new HD discs are as both a format and player installed base.
Besides, it's more like 3.5 million PS3's now according to some tentative data on sites like VGChartz. (Which, really, isn't too bad considering that's more then 1/3 of the 360's that have been sold and it's been available for a lot less time. But I digress...)
You can't really compare HD movie discs to UMD. For one, Sony has sold over 21 million PSP's. For two, people just aren't really interested in watching movies on a little tiny screen, and for three, they were too expensive. These are really quite different circumstances then what we're talking about. Don't you think? Or don't you think?
You can't know that for sure - that someone else would surely have came out with a more "mature" console in time. Timing is everything with these things; if someone had come along two years later, it might have been a flop and we might not have seen a game system for the "older" game player for a long time.
You give no credit to Sony, and I don't know why. They really did push forward the console game system market.
PS. Not everyone loves the Wii. I think the games are rather boring after you play them twice, the graphics are an absolute joke for a $250 piece of equipment, and it's networking abilities suck. The PS3 and the Xbox 360 are both a lot more "mature" of systems then the Wii was ever intended to be. It was designed for children like everything else Nintendo makes. They just got lucky that a lot of 20-somethings happened to like it too.
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10 hours a WEEK? Jesus, dude.
Why don't you have the balls to post without using AC? You think someone is going to *gasp* mod you down? THE HORROR.
But secondly, this is a discussion board. It's ALL ABOUT what the fuck we feel. What else? Should everyone that posts with their opinion now stop doing so, and only post the opinion of a sampling of the public? "I'd like to reply to you, but I need to check with the community and see if they'll sign the petition first."
You're the problem.
Well, you've already spent the money on the Xbox 360, and it IS a comparable system to the PS3. I think the PS3 has more muster in the power department, and it has quite a few more extras and cool stuff, but solely based on games they're similar. So, why WOULD you buy a PS3? There's no huge compelling reason for you at this point. (likewise, there's not big compelling reason for me to purchase an Xbox 360.)
But, only about 10 million people have purchased Xbox 360's. That leaves so many more consumers that haven't purchased one, that may be in the market for a game console system. For you, you might be happy with your previous purchase, but for other people, we'll see. (I also think that eventually, both the Xbox 360 and PS3 will retake all the market share Nintendo might have gained due to the Wii, because it's a very limited platform.)
I agree fully with you that Sony hasn't done a great job marketing this thing. I mean, it's a game system, but it's also a bunch more then that, and I've never once seen an advertisement showing it to be anything other than a better PS2. It's really curious why corporations sometimes make mistakes like this that, to the consumer, are very obvious.
I don't know about cross-platform games, but what that generally means right now is "Ports from the Xbox 360." Many developers will rework the game engine a little bit to make it run on the PS3 and release it. Games that actually had some work put into them, such as Oblivion, show that the PS3 is a better system then you make it out to be.
More work to make the games work better on the system? Boo frickin' hoo. Game production ALWAYS gets more difficult as the years go on. Stop using that as an argument. It's not an impossible task to write PS3 titles properly; it's being done. I have no sympathy for developers that can't develop.
About the memory thing, it should be noted that the CPU RAM is clocked at CPU speed. 3.2Ghz, no tricks.
Only the Elite supports 1080p.
Every single PS1/PS2 title I've tried from my friends' very large game collection have worked flawlessly. Out of the 10 titles I have for my Xbox, five gave me shit on the 360. Awesome.
And don't give me shit about the PS3 controller. It's nearly perfect. Don't you think that Sony would have changed things around with it a little bit in the last decade if people didn't like it? And what, it's not HEAVY enough? Go dream up some new FUD and get back to us. (You don't even mention that the SIXAXIS in the SIXAXIS controller means it's motion sensitive, and it works well.)
Ohh hell no - I've had three upscaling DVD players and they've all done an absolutely shitty job of scaling DVD's compared to the PS3. The PS3, in my opinion, gives a great balance of crisp-ness without making things look plastic. It's very nice. The only time you'll find better if when you have a really expensive $1800 DVD player or a $2000+ scaler.
Yea, I'd be amazed too, but it DOES make sense. There is a point where ALWAYS catering to big business will bite us in the ass. I feel as though one of those issues is outsourcing, and another is communication. If we, the US, fall too far behind everyone else in communication tools because of corporate greed and the government does nothing, the government is only hurting itself.
I suppose we could take this as face value for now, until special stipulations are put in place to allow Verizon, ATT, and T-Mobile to do whatever they want.
The PS3 is a damned cool machine. That's what I've been telling people since I got it. It's been a fun machine to own, it works great, there's nary a glitch to be found anywhere. Sony has continuously improved the capabilities of the system with each update, and Home should add a whole new dimension to online play when it's released.
Nobody will be disappointed with the PS3 if they actually purchased one. The only people you really hear complaining about it are the owners of the Xbox 360; I guess they don't want the competition.
Wanna cite some sources? Sorry if I don't take a slashdot post as lore.
Just FYI for the real thick headed amongst us: The parent post is sarcastic.
http://www.unwords.com/unword/sarchasm.html
And, not ONLY all that, all of these enthusiast sites continually post overclocked benchmarks for these CPU's.
They used to do it with the Pentium 4 all the time; You'd see a currently available Athlon versus a currently available Pentium 4 in a bechmark chart, and next to it would be a 60% overclocked P4 that requires special cooling. Yet they'd always say "BUT The OverClocked one BLOWS AMD AWAY!"
Just because this is coming from a manufacturer doesn't make it any less valid, and I don't see why AMD has to go hunting for Intel's latest CPU with the same model number (but a different revision) just to keep things fair OUT of their favor.
Besides, all this SPECint and CPU benchmark crap is worthless anyways, unless all you do with your server is run scientific calculations. In real world SMP applications, such as heavy-use VMware servers or database servers with lots of I/O and RAM, the Opterons will always kick the crap out of the Intel boxes with the Northbridge bottleneck. HyperTransport is the key to actually USING all of those system resources.
When Apple released their changes to KHTML for WebKit, it was basically unusable for the KDE team, for that example.
Apple uses a lot of open source code, and have gotten a LOT of their operating system for absolutely nothing. They built a decent OS with the parts, and then locked it down to hell.
Apple does the bare minimum to have the right to use the software that they do. There's nothing wrong with it legally, and it proves that you can use GPL and LGPL code in commercial products. But to say that because the use this code, they somehow support Free Software, is laughable.
A nitrous oxide overdose?
You mustn't have ever had the opportunity to use any.
Glad someone said it. God damn, people get far too much of their knowledge from television and movies.
They're not too heavy, you're right. But they are heavier then your average TV remote control and pretty solid. It wouldn't take too much to crack or otherwise damage an LCD screen or a rear-projector screen. A plasma TV generally has glass on the front and it's pretty thick, so it would take a lot more force to break one of those.
You don't have to swing the Wii controller hard to play games, but people DO get very carried away, and I can easily see an over-eager player swing the damned thing right into the TV when playing a baseball game or something.
I've played and not used the strap, but some people are reckless I guess. People STILL get fingers chopped off by trying to clear clogs in a running lawn mower, so some broken TV's shouldn't come as a shock =)
Yea, things happen, but we've all been hearing about the Xbox 360's reliability issues since day one. You don't hear about PS3 bricks, or Wii bricks. Yea, it happens, but with the 360 it's been an ongoing problem that persists.
Personally, I'm staying away from the 360 for that fact alone. At least with the PS3, you can plug in a USB hard drive and back your entire system up in case you ever had a disaster.
It could be an external factor, sure, but he does have a PS3, too, and a bunch of other electronics. You'd think that someone else would have exhibited some symptoms by now.
See, here's the problem. It's as if you believe that because the Wii is an old system repackaged, with a new controller, automatically every game is "built for fun" whereas games on other systems are not. You've fallen into the marketing brainwashing and you don't even realize it.
It's not all about the graphics, but they sure do count when you're talking about real cash and future game development. I still lug out my old Atari 2600 (with full faux wood-grain and working paddles) to play the classics like KaBoom! and Super Breakout. They're a lot of fun, and require skills. But I wouldn't pay $250 for an Atari 2600 today because the games are "purchased for fun."
I buy entertainment-centric equipment based on what value they have now and what value they are likely to hold for the future. The Wii just doesn't have the staying power, in my opinion, to retain any real value in the next few years to come. There's been a very underwhelming list of games to be released on the system, and there's a growing sense of "okay, that was neat. But I'm all set" with the system.
Besides, I LIKE GOOD GRAPHICS AND SOUND. What's so bad about that? What's so bad about enjoying ever-increasing realism in games like Elder Scrolls, that offer more and more immersion with each new generation of game system? What's wrong with ever-more realistic flight and driving simulators, or even side-scrollers with fantastic looking models? And what's wrong with wanting to make some use of my HDTV's resolution with my supposed "next gen" game system?
ps. I played a lot of Wii Sports. I must be some kind of prodigy because it's pretty easy to master those games... Swing the controller at the right time and you win. Might as well just be a button.
Dumbass. It's got nothing to do with hating President Bush, and everything to do with showing everyone how stupid the RIAA is and how awful they've been to their own customers.
The Bush part is just a bonus.
Maybe Sony should be given credit because they DIDN'T have major flaws in their console?
The PlayStation was the first console to offer real 3D acceleration, which made a huge impact on the types of games available for this system versus anything else before it. They didn't have silly cartoon mascots. The controllers were nearly perfect for any size hand. Even the look of the machine itself was simple, elegant. The machine WAS pretty damned amazing.
The other console options at the time were either A) Too expensive, B) Not available, or C) Old technology that couldn't compete with the PlayStation.
I thought 3DO was awesome when it appeared, and I liked that fact that it wasn't single-vendor. But it's initial offerings were extremely expensive and there was no software available for it.
What Wii games? Well, I've played the one where you can play tennis, bowling, etc. My friend has a couple more, too. We played them with a few friends a couple times and then we all kinda started just wanting to watch a movie instead of playing the Wii. The games seem to end up being all about the controller and swinging it around, and without any real accuracy. It's not fun once you discover that you don't really need to develop any skill to play any of the games.
The graphics and processing power of the Wii are such a joke that I can't believe they even charge $250 for it. It's insane.
Why do I think the PS3 and 360 are more mature systems? Because they aren't all cute bubble cartoon animations and cutesy sounds everywhere. They don't focus on games like WarioWare and Mario and Zelda everything. Everything about the Wii, from the GUI to the games, is child-centric.
The network stuff on the Wii is a PITA. The whole friend code nonsense needs to go.
Nintendo marketing can tell you all day long that the Wii is for.. what is it, Wives now? and you'll believe it, apparently. While they might try to make all games fun for all players, that's an approach that will inevitably lead to games that are mediocre at best: not hard, not complicated, ages 6 and up..
You can argue how much I should love the Wii all day long, and I just will never find it to be that fun. Sure, it's amusing for a little while, but I just don't like it.
But they didn't use the TERM "Open Source" because their software is NOT Open Source. They created a new term that better matches their program.
Whether or not YOU see it that way, obviously Microsoft did, and so does the OSI. The OSI and company branded the term "Open Source" and I think they have every right to make it known when someone tries to use the term for deceptive marketing practices when their product is actually not Open Source.
1) The build the cost of OSX into the price of the machine.
2) Apple PC's use the same hard drives as Dell, IBM, HP, and home built computers
3) Businesses that standardize on Windows don't want Apple PC's. They don't want to dual boot user workstations, and they don't want to deal with the extra complexity. They also don't want to pay those prices for the name Apple, like consumers do. The Apple notebooks aren't as overpriced as the Mac Pro, but they aren't an inexpensive option.
4) Dell's business support is pretty good.
5) He wants to buy a machine, with a free OS, without the big fuss. A Mac + BootCamp + Ubuntu + unsupported = Not What He Wants.
Macintoshes aren't always the solution. Get over it.
It's not a drop in the ocean considering how new HD discs are as both a format and player installed base.
Besides, it's more like 3.5 million PS3's now according to some tentative data on sites like VGChartz. (Which, really, isn't too bad considering that's more then 1/3 of the 360's that have been sold and it's been available for a lot less time. But I digress...)
You can't really compare HD movie discs to UMD. For one, Sony has sold over 21 million PSP's. For two, people just aren't really interested in watching movies on a little tiny screen, and for three, they were too expensive. These are really quite different circumstances then what we're talking about. Don't you think? Or don't you think?
You can't know that for sure - that someone else would surely have came out with a more "mature" console in time. Timing is everything with these things; if someone had come along two years later, it might have been a flop and we might not have seen a game system for the "older" game player for a long time.
You give no credit to Sony, and I don't know why. They really did push forward the console game system market.
PS. Not everyone loves the Wii. I think the games are rather boring after you play them twice, the graphics are an absolute joke for a $250 piece of equipment, and it's networking abilities suck. The PS3 and the Xbox 360 are both a lot more "mature" of systems then the Wii was ever intended to be. It was designed for children like everything else Nintendo makes. They just got lucky that a lot of 20-somethings happened to like it too.
I'm sorry that you don't understand.