It would be interesting to see how these guys do against, the top of the US/European gaming professionals.
Just to see two different styles of play, or realize that even with different cultures, some games need to be played the same way..I'm not talking about Quake or UT etc, but strategy games, do they favor an all out constant attack, or what kinds of weapons do they prefer ? How many different ways are there to win at Starcraft ?
The dishonest MBA's would be doing something illegal or immoral to get themselves and their cause ahead no matter what, wether they had an MBA or not..
There are honest people with MBA's and dishonest people.. who do you think does the whistleblowing , or fact finding or just understanding that the other guys are doing something wrong ?..
From what you're saying it sounds like MBA programs across the country are designed to help you forget your sense of morals.. which I think is incorrect.
ya but who would take credit for saving the planet ? remember we're petty..
look at all the news channels... "when such and such broke, channel 5 was there first.. we rock".
Believe in Jesus our saviour.. the MADMAN from Saudi was the one that caused the asteroid to alter course.. Allah saved us.. so confusing.. might lead to WW III:)..
Sorry bored.. and having a bad humor day.. please don't take this post seriously.
I don't see the point of the article, it seems this guy just got frustrated in his class about Outlook or something and decided to rant about it.
Then he wonders why techs can't improve things ? He didn't mention a single "advantage of the old system", that the new one took away. An advantage to him, could be a bug for another.. where does one draw the line ?.
What was the reason why the company decided to upgrade ? If the old system had so many advantages..
Overall he seems to negative and is just pissed he can't understand the new system.... trying to place the blame somewhere besides himself.
Also, could it have been that the instructors he had were not good ?.
PS: Like my english teacher would say, "show, don't tell".. he would have failed my senior year effective comp class if all his articles are so generic.
Instead of having a discussion on who or what is responsible why don't we drop the blame game and figure out what we're gonna do. Whether it's a the result of Industries polluting or just a change in the climate because of some things we aren't aware of.. what are we going to do to prevent it from killing us ?. I don't think anyone will argue that if this continues, people are going to die..
I understand the need for trying to find the reason behind the warming, so we can possibly try to slow it down.. but this really won't get us anywhere.. what if we aren't to blame ?..
we know what is bound to happen, part of the world gets really warm, and other parts fall into an iceage.. how are we gonna survive this ?.
so you're saying I won't be able to use scp to copy said file to linux box ?...just because a txt file created on an ntfs partition can't be written to while it's still on said ntfs partition, doesn't mean it can't be written to when moved to a different filesystem...
wasn't MCI/Worldcom/C&W involved in lawsuit a few yrs ago for similar problems, but they went on for 3 days ?.. back then they got sued for loss of business, imagine whats gonna happen now.
You would think they would have learn't. But they're still hiding information from people.. great. Maybe it's gone with the 6 billion dollars...
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I wouldn't want to work in a department for a masochist like you.
You're assuming in all your examples that things will only be done once, or will not require small flags or switches..
As for someone making a list of users that need to be in a group, true someone does need to make it, so have an import mechanism in the GUI, what if u want to delete a user ? remember switches all the time ? or would you rather make aliases in your shell , or a perl script to accept switches ? either way, you'll end up writing scripts to make things easier for you as they get more and more repetitive. You don't want every new guy who joins your company to learn all the switches etc. If you can memorize and not confuse man pages for all the commands in linux, then you are the exception and not the norm.
I still wouldn't work for you..:).
Now what exactly are we arguing about ? that GUIs or ways to make repetive tasks easier or faster is not necessary ? or that You don't think a GUI is necessry at all and people should just learn all the different utils that come with txtutils ?.
Let me rephrase what I want, I want an easy way to administer things, making the list of 300 users will be tedious no matter what, but repetive tasks, etc need to be simplified, and a gui is needed. The world is not run by elite geeks.
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I see that you are pretty close minded, you're automatically assuming that the new Admin tool which I said should be like MMC in terms of purpose, will be slow.
2. Your solution of having a list of users in a file called users.txt does not explain how the users got to that file.. and
3. I didn't say click 300 times, I said somehow have the ability to select the 300 users, and then say move them all to group marketing, this is the same amount of work needed to put your users in a users.txt file.
4. It may be easy for you, but I want to spend more time making sure the system is up and running, than reading man pages on awk and sed.
some of your own medicine.. i never said I can't be bothered, I said i can't learn to program and be able to contribute by weeks end. There is a big difference, I know my abilities and I know my limitations. I will not be able to contribute good or effective code with just 1 weeks experience...you claim to have read the article and my comment.. and you still can't get the facts right.. and you're trying to put me down ?...
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The need for admin tools is because of the repetive nature and poor configuration of people in the first place.
Say you have 5000 users, you want to edit something about user 4932, do you really want to open up vi/pico/joe/jed/kate/emacs/nvi/staroff... the list goes on.
Knowing which config files to edit is one thing, and I think one should know what is happening before blindly changing settings through an admin interface. Standardizing on the GUI is necessary so that people are familiar and go from installation to installation without worrying about how an interface is configured. Configuration tools for system settings or server settings do not need to QtKolabKonfigurator, or gKolConfigurator type crap, they should work the same, wether i use fluxbox, or gnome, or kde or whatever. Linux is all about choice, and I choose to use a standard set of tools. Then I am told I am wrong because my choice doesn't agree with someone elses. No one is saying that editing the files should not be allowed, if you choose to do so, then go right ahead, but if you want widespread adoption, you need to make things easy. I'm not saying have Microsoft Bob, or Clippy nagging you everytime you try to do something in the Admin interface, but rather a good clean way to add users to the database, or to add aliases.
Back to the 5000 user system, say you want to create a group called, marketing,.. and you have 300 people in that group.. do you really want to do this over a text editor ? or could just say.. ctrl select the users, or sort them out in way, and then just drag them into the new group ?.
If you find text files as an easier solution, then by all means go ahead use those, I don't. And that is why I want an admin tool.
I'm going back to sleep.. I have read about kolab, and I know what it is supposed to be. But, just as a lot of people claim MS is vaporware, I will consider it vapor until I start seeing some screenshots, or some inkling that someone with half a clue about UI is working on the project. So, quit your personal jabs without knowing all the facts. So, the server component has a name.. the Admin interface has just been speced out. Lots of things are speced out and take years to develop,... good night!.
The client looks fine and dandy, it looks like a wrapper for a bunch of different programs.. and people are already asking how is this better than evolution.. so KDE and Gnome have their own Outlook killers, but where is the Exchange killer ? I don't want to see screenshots of people's emails, I want to see screenshots of the tools an admin would use to configure the backend, how would I administer the calendaring portion of the server ? How about users email ? where is the equivalent of MMC ?.
Or do they still expect the admins to use vi, or kate to edit config files ?. Editing config files is fine, but with the targetted goal of the system, it will be too complex to remember which config file changes x and y. We need good, cross Environment (Kde or Gnome), tools to do this.
Wake me up when those are ready, I can't code, and I can't learn how to code and start contributing to this project by weeks end. I really hope the govt focuses some of this talent towards the Admin side.. I'm sure they will. But, I felt like beating a dead horse.
heh, my laptop is a IBM A31P, p4 1.7ghz, the video card on it is a 64MB video card, and I can run UT 2K3 in WinXP without a problem. Not all laptops are weak.
I downloaded the demo in Linux, only to find out that the game will only work with Binary Nvidia drivers. I own a laptop, I can't just go around buying new video cards and putting them into this machine.. I really hope they will have removed the dependency on nvidia by then.
this is just about pepsi sponsoring a "reality show" who's winner would go to space. So, it's not like it's buy a 12pack of pepsi, and you might be the lucky winner.
The title of the story is misleading.
Either way, like the article said, Coke did the same thing with American Idol, It's going to be overated bulshit, so while you watch the show, you'll be bombarded with Pepsi Ads.
But the thought that Pepsi will be in space for the astronauts kinda sucks. Everyone knows, Coke rules.
Seriously tho, are the astro/cosmo nauts even allowed to drink soda up in space or while their training ? just wondering considering how bad cola is anyway.
Maybe they'll promote powerade or whatever "energy" drink Pepsi Owns.
Read the July issue of Forbes magazine, which talks about patents and how they can help, but how they are being used to not help the economy. Link 0. This is the entire issue
the SCOx business plan pretty much says,.. build a business on SCO, and sell it back to us.
This kinda sounds like.. spend your money on marketing sco, and your products.. and we'll buy your business from you. does this mean employees etc and you keep your HQ or does it mean.. we take your revenue from you.. and give you a percentage ?.
It really sounds like a ploy to let others build business for them, and for others to do the marketing.. and then SCO will buy it...and just the customer db, not the employees who worked hard to get the business in the first place. Anyone have a url for the fine print on this ?.
Either way.. can anyone tell me what the benefits of SCO are in todays world ? What does SCO provide that Linux already doesn't.. or is not in the works ?. just curious...
But for experts as well, sure we know how to use configure; make; make install; but how tedious is that ? The homegrown RPM tools for the RPM based distros take time to learn and are slow, and if you're an expert already you know how to use the rpm commandline faster than the GUI. But wouldn't it be nice to just click on setup.sh or just run setup.sh and have the program do everything for you ?. If anything, have a GUI frontend to configure, so configure -d gives you all the options and you just check on them ?. I think linux needs something like a VISE installer, that will follow the LSB.
With all the improvements happening in IDE world, along with USB 2, Firewire etc.. whats happening with SCSI ? I'm probably not aware of anything past SCSI 3, since I can't afford it.. but what kind of improvements are in the pipeline ?.
I've never accepted one before, simply because it's a temporary solution. The company was happy paying you less, and all of sudden you get more and they can pay you ?. I guess it depends on the situation, but if you've worked your ass off, and management didn't see a need to give you a raise until you threatened to leave em, it's just a sign that they'll keep you on temporarily until they find someone to replace you. Unless you're in Job nirvana(which cannot exist), I would move to the new place. Sure there are risks when you change jobs, but you have to see your situation and take the plunge.
Never forget that these companies, will fire you even if you think the job is great and the people are great, they will fire you or.. rightsize you, if money is tight. They are in it for survival, and so are you.
I have to say this, but your loyalty should be to yourself and your family, not to anonymous shareholders or board of directors that never have lunch with you.
Take pride in your work, do it well, but do it for yourself, not the company.
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of not getting caught..
It would be interesting to see how these guys do against, the top of the US/European gaming professionals.
Just to see two different styles of play, or realize that even with different cultures, some games need to be played the same way..I'm not talking about Quake or UT etc, but strategy games, do they favor an all out constant attack, or what kinds of weapons do they prefer ? How many different ways are there to win at Starcraft ?
Checkout PHPTunes
http://phptunes.gforge.linuxpowered.com/
You don't even need Windows anymore.
I disagree with you completely..
The dishonest MBA's would be doing something illegal or immoral to get themselves and their cause ahead no matter what, wether they had an MBA or not..
There are honest people with MBA's and dishonest people.. who do you think does the whistleblowing , or fact finding or just understanding that the other guys are doing something wrong ?..
From what you're saying it sounds like MBA programs across the country are designed to help you forget your sense of morals..
which I think is incorrect.
ya but who would take credit for saving the planet ?
:)..
remember we're petty..
look at all the news channels... "when such and such broke, channel 5 was there first.. we rock".
Believe in Jesus our saviour.. the MADMAN from Saudi was the one that caused the asteroid to alter course.. Allah saved us.. so confusing.. might lead to WW III
Sorry bored.. and having a bad humor day.. please don't take this post seriously.
I don't see the point of the article, it seems this guy just got frustrated in his class about Outlook or something and decided to rant about it.
Then he wonders why techs can't improve things ? He didn't mention a single "advantage of the old system", that the new one took away. An advantage to him, could be a bug for another.. where does one draw the line ?.
What was the reason why the company decided to upgrade ? If the old system had so many advantages..
Overall he seems to negative and is just pissed he can't understand the new system.... trying to place the blame somewhere besides himself.
Also, could it have been that the instructors he had were not good ?.
PS: Like my english teacher would say, "show, don't tell".. he would have failed my senior year effective comp class if all his articles are so generic.
Instead of having a discussion on who or what is responsible why don't we drop the blame game and figure out what we're gonna do. Whether it's a the result of Industries polluting or just a change in the climate because of some things we aren't aware of.. what are we going to do to prevent it from killing us ?. I don't think anyone will argue that if this continues, people are going to die..
I understand the need for trying to find the reason behind the warming, so we can possibly try to slow it down.. but this really won't get us anywhere.. what if we aren't to blame ?..
we know what is bound to happen, part of the world gets really warm, and other parts fall into an iceage.. how are we gonna survive this ?.
so you're saying I won't be able to use scp to copy said file to linux box ?...just because a txt file created on an ntfs partition can't be written to while it's still on said ntfs partition, doesn't mean it can't be written to when moved to a different filesystem...
or am i missing something even more sinister ?
wasn't MCI/Worldcom/C&W involved in lawsuit a few yrs ago for similar problems, but they went on for 3 days ?.. back then they got sued for loss of business, imagine whats gonna happen now.
You would think they would have learn't. But they're still hiding information from people.. great. Maybe it's gone with the 6 billion dollars...
I wouldn't want to work in a department for a masochist like you.
:).
You're assuming in all your examples that things will only be done once, or will not require small flags or switches..
As for someone making a list of users that need to be in a group, true someone does need to make it, so have an import mechanism in the GUI, what if u want to delete a user ? remember switches all the time ? or would you rather make aliases in your shell , or a perl script to accept switches ? either way, you'll end up writing scripts to make things easier for you as they get more and more repetitive. You don't want every new guy who joins your company to learn all the switches etc. If you can memorize and not confuse man pages for all the commands in linux, then you are the exception and not the norm.
I still wouldn't work for you..
Now what exactly are we arguing about ? that GUIs or ways to make repetive tasks easier or faster is not necessary ? or that You don't think a GUI is necessry at all and people should just learn all the different utils that come with txtutils ?.
Let me rephrase what I want, I want an easy way to administer things, making the list of 300 users will be tedious no matter what, but repetive tasks, etc need to be simplified, and a gui is needed. The world is not run by elite geeks.
I see that you are pretty close minded, you're automatically assuming that the new Admin tool which I said should be like MMC in terms of purpose, will be slow.
2. Your solution of having a list of users in a file called users.txt does not explain how the users got to that file.. and
3. I didn't say click 300 times, I said somehow have the ability to select the 300 users, and then say move them all to group marketing, this is the same amount of work needed to put your users in a users.txt file.
4. It may be easy for you, but I want to spend more time making sure the system is up and running, than reading man pages on awk and sed.
i know about what the server will consist of. I'm asking for screenshots/existance of this Magical GUI tool to configure everything..
some of your own medicine.. i never said I can't be bothered, I said i can't learn to program and be able to contribute by weeks end. There is a big difference, I know my abilities and I know my limitations. I will not be able to contribute good or effective code with just 1 weeks experience. ..you claim to have read the article and my comment.. and you still can't get the facts right.. and you're trying to put me down ?...
The need for admin tools is because of the repetive nature and poor configuration of people in the first place.
.. and you have 300 people in that group.. do you really want to do this over a text editor ? or could just say.. ctrl select the users, or sort them out in way, and then just drag them into the new group ?.
Say you have 5000 users, you want to edit something about user 4932, do you really want to open up vi/pico/joe/jed/kate/emacs/nvi/staroff... the list goes on.
Knowing which config files to edit is one thing, and I think one should know what is happening before blindly changing settings through an admin interface. Standardizing on the GUI is necessary so that people are familiar and go from installation to installation without worrying about how an interface is configured.
Configuration tools for system settings or server settings do not need to QtKolabKonfigurator, or gKolConfigurator type crap, they should work the same, wether i use fluxbox, or gnome, or kde or whatever. Linux is all about choice, and I choose to use a standard set of tools. Then I am told I am wrong because my choice doesn't agree with someone elses. No one is saying that editing the files should not be allowed, if you choose to do so, then go right ahead, but if you want widespread adoption, you need to make things easy. I'm not saying have Microsoft Bob, or Clippy nagging you everytime you try to do something in the Admin interface, but rather a good clean way to add users to the database, or to add aliases.
Back to the 5000 user system, say you want to create a group called, marketing,
If you find text files as an easier solution, then by all means go ahead use those, I don't. And that is why I want an admin tool.
I'm going back to sleep.. I have read about kolab, and I know what it is supposed to be. But, just as a lot of people claim MS is vaporware, I will consider it vapor until I start seeing some screenshots, or some inkling that someone with half a clue about UI is working on the project. So, quit your personal jabs without knowing all the facts. So, the server component has a name.. the Admin interface has just been speced out. Lots of things are speced out and take years to develop, ... good night!.
The client looks fine and dandy, it looks like a wrapper for a bunch of different programs.. and people are already asking how is this better than evolution.. so KDE and Gnome have their own Outlook killers, but where is the Exchange killer ? I don't want to see screenshots of people's emails, I want to see screenshots of the tools an admin would use to configure the backend, how would I administer the calendaring portion of the server ? How about users email ? where is the equivalent of MMC ?.
Or do they still expect the admins to use vi, or kate to edit config files ?. Editing config files is fine, but with the targetted goal of the system, it will be too complex to remember which config file changes x and y. We need good, cross Environment (Kde or Gnome), tools to do this.
Wake me up when those are ready, I can't code, and I can't learn how to code and start contributing to this project by weeks end. I really hope the govt focuses some of this talent towards the Admin side.. I'm sure they will. But, I felt like beating a dead horse.
heh, my laptop is a IBM A31P, p4 1.7ghz, the video card on it is a 64MB video card, and I can run UT 2K3 in WinXP without a problem. Not all laptops are weak.
I downloaded the demo in Linux, only to find out that the game will only work with Binary Nvidia drivers. I own a laptop, I can't just go around buying new video cards and putting them into this machine.. I really hope they will have removed the dependency on nvidia by then.
they're going to rig the contest so physically unfit people can't enter, or will lose anyway.
this is just about pepsi sponsoring a "reality show" who's winner would go to space. So, it's not like it's buy a 12pack of pepsi, and you might be the lucky winner.
The title of the story is misleading.
Either way, like the article said, Coke did the same thing with American Idol, It's going to be overated bulshit, so while you watch the show, you'll be bombarded with Pepsi Ads.
But the thought that Pepsi will be in space for the astronauts kinda sucks. Everyone knows, Coke rules.
Seriously tho, are the astro/cosmo nauts even allowed to drink soda up in space or while their training ? just wondering considering how bad cola is anyway.
Maybe they'll promote powerade or whatever "energy" drink Pepsi Owns.
Read the July issue of Forbes magazine, which talks about patents and how they can help, but how they are being used to not help the economy.
Link 0. This is the entire issue
Link 1
Link 2
the SCOx business plan pretty much says,.. build a business on SCO, and sell it back to us.
This kinda sounds like.. spend your money on marketing sco, and your products.. and we'll buy your business from you. does this mean employees etc and you keep your HQ or does it mean.. we take your revenue from you.. and give you a percentage ?.
It really sounds like a ploy to let others build business for them, and for others to do the marketing.. and then SCO will buy it...and just the customer db, not the employees who worked hard to get the business in the first place. Anyone have a url for the fine print on this ?.
Either way.. can anyone tell me what the benefits of SCO are in todays world ? What does SCO provide that Linux already doesn't.. or is not in the works ?. just curious...
But for experts as well, sure we know how to use configure; make; make install; but how tedious is that ? The homegrown RPM tools for the RPM based distros take time to learn and are slow, and if you're an expert already you know how to use the rpm commandline faster than the GUI. But wouldn't it be nice to just click on setup.sh or just run setup.sh and have the program do everything for you ?. If anything, have a GUI frontend to configure, so configure -d gives you all the options and you just check on them ?.
I think linux needs something like a VISE installer, that will follow the LSB.
With all the improvements happening in IDE world, along with USB 2, Firewire etc.. whats happening with SCSI ?
I'm probably not aware of anything past SCSI 3, since I can't afford it.. but what kind of improvements are in the pipeline ?.
I've never accepted one before, simply because it's a temporary solution. The company was happy paying you less, and all of sudden you get more and they can pay you ?. I guess it depends on the situation, but if you've worked your ass off, and management didn't see a need to give you a raise until you threatened to leave em, it's just a sign that they'll keep you on temporarily until they find someone to replace you. Unless you're in Job nirvana(which cannot exist), I would move to the new place. Sure there are risks when you change jobs, but you have to see your situation and take the plunge.
Never forget that these companies, will fire you even if you think the job is great and the people are great, they will fire you or.. rightsize you, if money is tight. They are in it for survival, and so are you.
I have to say this, but your loyalty should be to yourself and your family, not to anonymous shareholders or board of directors that never have lunch with you.
Take pride in your work, do it well, but do it for yourself, not the company.