I can't see this sort of technology being used for things like games - I think it's one of those things where people are using an outdated concept to reproduce a sense - i.e. we presently fool the eyes into believing things that are not there by showing them a picture. We fool the ears by playing back a recorded sound, so lets fool the olfactory nerves by physically making a smell.
I think the only way smell will be work as part of a virtual environment such as a game will be to electronically stimulate the brain somehow to make it hallucinate the smell. If the technology existed to do that however I think we'd have bigger problems to worry about.
It seems that *every* story that mentions *anything at all* about Apple that is not overly positive gets a FUD tag.
This one was interesting as there was no FUD tag when I posted that, then immediately after I posted it there was one, then it vanished for a while, then came back.
It seems on/. that Apple is destined to be synonymous with FUD.
The fastest way to do this is to put the old drive in the new machine (or perhaps an external drive enclosure if we are talking about a laptop) and copy that way.
If you are worried about special file or folder attributes then use MSBackup to copy the drive to a backup file as it will preserve everything.
The thing is though one has to understand that the Mac community is a tiered structure. At the top there are we Mac users who are experienced computer users, who understand what we are doing and how computers and operating systems work and accept the existence of things such as 'bugs' and 'vulnerabilities' etc.
Unfortunately the thing that gives us all a bad name are the very vocal ignorant users that for example simply flat out refuse to accept any criticism of Apple or it's products whatsoever - in fact I'd go as far to say it becomes a religious issue as no matter how much evidence they are confronted with, they either are not capable of comprehending what is being presented to them or if they are, refuse to even consider it as this could mean Apple *might* be wrong and as they know, this cannot possibly happen as they consider Apple infallible.
Very, very odd behaviour and quite annoying as for example, should I attempt to get someone to consider a Mac, all it takes is someone they know who has 'heard about those Mac zealots' to put them off.
Consider also that any comment on apple.slashdot that however truthful, might mention a bug or vulnerability or other otherwise is perceived as a criticism gets modded as troll or flamebait (like this comment for example), tells a lot about the community.
If you want to be a smart arse I shall point out that I did not say Guiness has always been the best selling beer, I said it has been the best selling (as the referenced report from 2003 showed for example) - which is has been in the past (like for a very long time) and that it shall always be the best selling beer in Ireland. It's a cultural thing.
Personally I don't drink Guinness, but then I've never tasted the Irish Guiness (which if you talk to the Irish (and I mean someone who actually is born and lives in Ireland, not some American who is convinced he's Irish because his great auntie's dog once had an Irish owner) they will tell you is much better in Ireland.)
Personally I prefer German beer. American beer is just... piss. Sorry but there just isn't a nice way to say it.
The only good thing about drinking in the US is the free-pour bars; in the UK everything is measured. In the US, tipping the bar staff gets you get a bigger measure next time which almost makes up for the crap beer.
I agree with you but it's still a fact that when I run ethereal on FC3 installed via yum as a non root user, I am very clearly and specifically asked for the root password (with the option to run non privileged (however running it as non root obviously turns ethereal into the equivalent of MS Word Viewer for tcpdump).
The same is also true for many system admin utilities - I am asked for the root password if they are run from X.
I agree that it's often the norm for many apps on Windows, but this is purely down to bad programming in most cases. You don't need admin rights to run anything in MS Office for example.
As a real world example I run a 1500+ Windows client network and none of the regular users have admin on their box. They do fine with (so far) only one special case exception - an audio program that refuses to run unless it's at least a power user that we have installed on one desktop of the whole organisation. We have a few apps that need the odd file permission altering but this is done with simple GPO policies which alter every desktop at once.
You can - XP's runas allows you to cache the credentials used so you can allow regular users to run an app as any user you wish without having to disclose the admin password.
I see what you are saying, but for example when writing code that will run in user space is it really that difficult to avoid writing a log file directly into %SYSTEMROOT%?
but there are many *NIX apps that expect to have root - ethereal for example.
Uh, no? I generate the dumps with tcpdump and load them into a ethereal running as non-root all the time.... they are usually system admin related...
I, like many people, like capturing with ethereal rather than tcpdump because it's more convenient. To do this it asks for the root password.
Which I think is the critical difference. Microsoft Outlook has _zero_ to do with system administration. Palm Desktop has _zero_ to do with system administration.
Microsoft Outlook does not need to be run as an administrator. Palm desktop does not need to be run as an administrator. What is your point here?
Well, you might say that runas is similar to su or sudo, the difference is that people don't want to, nor should they be using RunAs to open Microsoft Word. It's just stupid.
Microsoft Word does not need to be run as an administrator... I take your point, but like I originally said an administrator can cache credentials - this means you can give a user an icon on a desktop that will run an app as any user including the administrator. Sure it's a pain, but it's due to poorly written software. If I deal with software like this I'll usually look for a suitable alternative first.
You can also use a switch to cache credentials (like chown +x root)
Err, did you mean chmod u+s?
Indeed. Forgive my being rusty but I don't do a lot of suexec (no need to - run all the Linux desktops as root...(joke))
On one hand, as long as a program doesn't ask for Administrator privileges, it'll be run in a reduced environment, but on UNIX the programs cannot "ask" to have their privileges elevated.
Some applications do - ethereal for example will ask for the root password if you are not root when you run it, giving you the option to run it as unpriviliged, but it does ask the user.
Oh I agree totally; I've seen lots of Windows programs that warn about admin rights but in most cases I think it's just poorly written software by lazy programmers who couldn't be bothered spending time actually working out what permissions to set or just thought they'd keep files they need to write to constantly somewhere where the user really should not be able to write to such as under the Windows folder.
Easyshare sounds like a crappy piece of software so in my situation I'd simply find an alternative, however you can't really blame Microsoft for poorly written software (except Windows...) I agree that it should not need admin rights just for a photo sharing program but in this case I'd shoot the programmers not MS.
...don't want to sound like a Windows fanboy at all but there are many *NIX apps that expect to have root - ethereal for example. Sure they are usually system admin related, but it doesn't mean that you have to run the entire session as root because you can simply use su.
In Windows you can use the runas command similar to su to give elevated privs to individual apps. You can also use a switch to cache credentials (like chown +x root) that the admin can use to give users the ability to work with awkward apps so it's not really a big deal for the odd application if the machine is set up correctly.
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I can't see this sort of technology being used for things like games - I think it's one of those things where people are using an outdated concept to reproduce a sense - i.e. we presently fool the eyes into believing things that are not there by showing them a picture. We fool the ears by playing back a recorded sound, so lets fool the olfactory nerves by physically making a smell.
I think the only way smell will be work as part of a virtual environment such as a game will be to electronically stimulate the brain somehow to make it hallucinate the smell. If the technology existed to do that however I think we'd have bigger problems to worry about.
It seems that *every* story that mentions *anything at all* about Apple that is not overly positive gets a FUD tag.
/. that Apple is destined to be synonymous with FUD.
This one was interesting as there was no FUD tag when I posted that, then immediately after I posted it there was one, then it vanished for a while, then came back.
It seems on
Use gigabit network cards? Faster than Firewire.
The fastest way to do this is to put the old drive in the new machine (or perhaps an external drive enclosure if we are talking about a laptop) and copy that way.
If you are worried about special file or folder attributes then use MSBackup to copy the drive to a backup file as it will preserve everything.
Cue FUD tag on this story in 3...2..1..
Such a backward country.
Some Dell SX series desktop machines already use 2.5" drives.
They should install all Microsoft Updates to stop that happening.
That's what I call a Genuine Advantage.
Not surprising - 'Christian Science' is an oxymoron.
The thing is though one has to understand that the Mac community is a tiered structure. At the top there are we Mac users who are experienced computer users, who understand what we are doing and how computers and operating systems work and accept the existence of things such as 'bugs' and 'vulnerabilities' etc.
Unfortunately the thing that gives us all a bad name are the very vocal ignorant users that for example simply flat out refuse to accept any criticism of Apple or it's products whatsoever - in fact I'd go as far to say it becomes a religious issue as no matter how much evidence they are confronted with, they either are not capable of comprehending what is being presented to them or if they are, refuse to even consider it as this could mean Apple *might* be wrong and as they know, this cannot possibly happen as they consider Apple infallible.
Very, very odd behaviour and quite annoying as for example, should I attempt to get someone to consider a Mac, all it takes is someone they know who has 'heard about those Mac zealots' to put them off.
Consider also that any comment on apple.slashdot that however truthful, might mention a bug or vulnerability or other otherwise is perceived as a criticism gets modded as troll or flamebait (like this comment for example), tells a lot about the community.
If you want to be a smart arse I shall point out that I did not say Guiness has always been the best selling beer, I said it has been the best selling (as the referenced report from 2003 showed for example) - which is has been in the past (like for a very long time) and that it shall always be the best selling beer in Ireland. It's a cultural thing.
Personally I don't drink Guinness, but then I've never tasted the Irish Guiness (which if you talk to the Irish (and I mean someone who actually is born and lives in Ireland, not some American who is convinced he's Irish because his great auntie's dog once had an Irish owner) they will tell you is much better in Ireland.)
Personally I prefer German beer. American beer is just... piss. Sorry but there just isn't a nice way to say it.
The only good thing about drinking in the US is the free-pour bars; in the UK everything is measured. In the US, tipping the bar staff gets you get a bigger measure next time which almost makes up for the crap beer.
#1 packaged beer. Guinness has and always shall be the #1 selling beer in Ireland.
And what's beer snobbery got to do with anything? American beer is absolutely *terrible*. Get over it.
The big difference is that "RunAs" expects you to know the Administrator's password
XP's runas can used cached credentials set by an administrator on an app by app basis meaning the user is not asked for a password.
I'd have to test this to be sure but I'm wondering if this behaviour is affected by the /noprofile switch - like the difference between su and su -
I agree with you but it's still a fact that when I run ethereal on FC3 installed via yum as a non root user, I am very clearly and specifically asked for the root password (with the option to run non privileged (however running it as non root obviously turns ethereal into the equivalent of MS Word Viewer for tcpdump).
The same is also true for many system admin utilities - I am asked for the root password if they are run from X.
I agree that it's often the norm for many apps on Windows, but this is purely down to bad programming in most cases. You don't need admin rights to run anything in MS Office for example.
As a real world example I run a 1500+ Windows client network and none of the regular users have admin on their box. They do fine with (so far) only one special case exception - an audio program that refuses to run unless it's at least a power user that we have installed on one desktop of the whole organisation. We have a few apps that need the odd file permission altering but this is done with simple GPO policies which alter every desktop at once.
I use OSX at home, obviously.
You can - XP's runas allows you to cache the credentials used so you can allow regular users to run an app as any user you wish without having to disclose the admin password.
Agreed on both counts, however I did use ethereal as an example of a *NIX application that will ask for root.
I see what you are saying, but for example when writing code that will run in user space is it really that difficult to avoid writing a log file directly into %SYSTEMROOT%?
What if someone finds a buffer overflow in tcpdump?
I like capturing in ethereal - it's convenient.
but there are many *NIX apps that expect to have root - ethereal for example.
... they are usually system admin related ...
Uh, no? I generate the dumps with tcpdump and load them into a ethereal running as non-root all the time.
I, like many people, like capturing with ethereal rather than tcpdump because it's more convenient. To do this it asks for the root password.
Which I think is the critical difference. Microsoft Outlook has _zero_ to do with system administration. Palm Desktop has _zero_ to do with system administration.
Microsoft Outlook does not need to be run as an administrator. Palm desktop does not need to be run as an administrator. What is your point here?
Well, you might say that runas is similar to su or sudo, the difference is that people don't want to, nor should they be using RunAs to open Microsoft Word. It's just stupid.
Microsoft Word does not need to be run as an administrator... I take your point, but like I originally said an administrator can cache credentials - this means you can give a user an icon on a desktop that will run an app as any user including the administrator. Sure it's a pain, but it's due to poorly written software. If I deal with software like this I'll usually look for a suitable alternative first.
You can also use a switch to cache credentials (like chown +x root) Err, did you mean chmod u+s?
Indeed. Forgive my being rusty but I don't do a lot of suexec (no need to - run all the Linux desktops as root...(joke))
On one hand, as long as a program doesn't ask for Administrator privileges, it'll be run in a reduced environment, but on UNIX the programs cannot "ask" to have their privileges elevated.
Some applications do - ethereal for example will ask for the root password if you are not root when you run it, giving you the option to run it as unpriviliged, but it does ask the user.
Amen to that - my personal pet hates are 'Install Shield Update Manager' and JAVA that constantly tries to update itself.
Where is yum for Windows!
Oh I agree totally; I've seen lots of Windows programs that warn about admin rights but in most cases I think it's just poorly written software by lazy programmers who couldn't be bothered spending time actually working out what permissions to set or just thought they'd keep files they need to write to constantly somewhere where the user really should not be able to write to such as under the Windows folder.
Easyshare sounds like a crappy piece of software so in my situation I'd simply find an alternative, however you can't really blame Microsoft for poorly written software (except Windows...) I agree that it should not need admin rights just for a photo sharing program but in this case I'd shoot the programmers not MS.
Why, to sniff your network to send anything it finds to the government of course! ;)
applications which expect to have admin access
...don't want to sound like a Windows fanboy at all but there are many *NIX apps that expect to have root - ethereal for example. Sure they are usually system admin related, but it doesn't mean that you have to run the entire session as root because you can simply use su.
In Windows you can use the runas command similar to su to give elevated privs to individual apps. You can also use a switch to cache credentials (like chown +x root) that the admin can use to give users the ability to work with awkward apps so it's not really a big deal for the odd application if the machine is set up correctly.
Would you like me to send someone around to read the links to you?
Actually it's evidently you who doesn't know the difference between a service and a protocol handler.