I don't agree. I was slightly wrong in saying no licence is required - it is covered by your main household licence no matter where the device is situated. Presumably most people have a TV anyway. But in any case a phone could be programmed to only pick up satellite channels and would therefore be completely exempt.
You might think that, but you are mistaken. Yes a home license would cover the phone, so long as the home TV were not used at the same time while the phone were out of the house. As for only receiving satellite, the license fee covers any device that is used to receive TV programme services that originate in the UK. If you received satellite broadcasts that that originated outside of the UK and only those broadcasts, then you do not need a license.
As for people who claim they never watch terrestrial, or listen to BBC radio, or browse the BBC news website or anything else the licence funds - bullshit.
Firstly the license only covers TV receiving equipment. Although it pays for the website and radio, it is not legally required (read: cannot be enforced effectively).
I really really do not watch TV at home. I may occasionally glance at a screen in a pub or something or perhaps watch a film on TV at my parents home at Commercemas but that's about it. Believe what you like, it doesn't change the truth.
Having spent some time in the US I'd say "probably" but I don't know right now as I don't watch TV and have not done for around 5 years now.
I have no problem with paying for services if they are worthwhile. My personal issue with them is that they simply don't believe you when you say you don't watch TV. I legally do not need a TV License however I get constantly bombarded with threatening sounding letters and people coming to the house "for a look around".
No it wouldn't, because the TV licence doesn't cover devices solely operated by batteries (which I presume would cover phones if the charger disabled TV service). But I wouldn't worry, because Sky (satellite) would charge you 300 to watch their stations through it and inflict as much advertising on to you as UK broadcast standards permit.
You are mistaken, it covers any and all equipment capable of receivinga signal. With satellite TV it's just worse because you have to buy a TV license on top of the sat fee even if you dont watch terrestrial.
'The TV Licence for your main address will, however, automatically cover any TV used in a touring caravan, vehicle or boat, or any televisions operated by their own internal batteries.'
I refer you to the paragraph directly above the one you posted on the TV Licecing website:
Mobile homes and caravans
If you or any other person uses a TV in your static caravan or mobile home and another is being used in your main home at the same time, you'll need a separate TV Licence.
However, if a TV isn't being used in your static caravan or mobile home at the same time as in your home, you don't need a separate TV Licence. In which case you'll just need to complete a declaration form (see below).
...actually my parent post is not strictly accurate. The cost of a UK license is 121UKP a year which right now is $221.83, not $160 as originally stated.
** A TV set powered by its own internal batteries - a pocket sized TV for example - may be covered by a licence at your home address.
That is correct. Notice the use of the word "may". The "may" would apply IF no other TV was being used in your house while you were using the portable. This is why it is ok to have a (perhaps battery operated) TV in a holiday caravan, so long as your TV back home is not being used. It's like seat licensing for software.
If a TV receiving phone were used out of the house while the home TV were in use, you could be fined. (Catching you is another matter entirely however).
Not true. You don't need a license for battery operated TVs in the UK, mobiles would come under this.
You are mistaken. The letter of the law is
"If you use or install television receiving equipment to receive or record television programme services you are required by law to have a valid TV Licence."
This covers ANY and ALL equipment capable of receiving television signals that originate from the UK. This includes ANY form of TV receiver including computer graphics cards and VCR's.
If battery televisions were exempt, do you not think that people would simply purchase a battery receiver and plug it into a larger monitor?
If this ever makes it to the UK, due to the TV Licensing Nazis - if, say, every member of a household had one of these phones and used them while out of the house, a seperate TV license costing around $160 a year would be needed for each phone.
I used to love arcades when I was a kid - I played the original Space Invaders and Asteroids (and lets not forget the classic Defender) and remember things like the original StarWars vector game. Then came Outrun, Space Harrier etc and what was that game called out at the same time as Outrun (and the TopGun movie) where you were flying something like an F-14 Tomcat?
I can remember thinking logically that "someday" all of that stuff could be done at home and then wondering how good arcade machines would be in comparison - I mean - if you could have Dragons Lair at home, just how good would an arcade machine be?
What happens when the spam simply contains a link to a legit site like Microsoft / RedHat / Apple / Network Associates / Norton etc?
You are then going to block all messages that mention these sites?
You are going to succeed in cutting yourself off from security mailing lists if nothing else.
it can perform a denial-of-service against www.sco.com. Details at Symantec and F-Secure, although neither seems to have finished their analysis.
Cut to the labs of the antivirus companies:
Sir! The new virus seems to launch a DDoS against sco.com!
REALLY? Great work! Now.. lets take our time over this.. no need to rush things now is there? I mean - we wouldn't want to make a mistake or anything now would we?
exactly what Bill Gates has done to earn an honor of this magnitude
Well it's obvious isn't it? He's in town to "discuss" the National Health Service (NHS) contracts as they are threatening to go with Sun and the JAVA Desktop.
I'm betting the conversation went something like this:
Bill: What's the problem? What would convince you to go with Windows?
NHS: A HUGE discount. We'd really like to go with Microsoft rather than spending millions switching just to have the pleasure of renting from Sun, but we just can't afford the cash you want. We could however perhaps come to some other arrangement?
I'm just wondering - did geeks watch football back in 1984?
I can picture it now:
Mundane: "Hey geek boy I got a new computer"
Geek: "Yeah yeah its not as good as my Apple II"
*looks*
Geek: "WTF??!!!111"
It's probably some bizarre licensing issue for the OS causing it to shut down as it's detected that NASA are trying to run two copies at the same time.
Kind of like Beagle 2's problems caused by the transmissions being intercepted by the RIAA as they file a lawsuit against Colin Pillinger for offering illegal music downloads from Mars.
This is precisely why it's fun to switch cards with random strangers and imagine the confusion when a healthy eating family of four suddenly turns into a single guy who only eats tofu.
I just press random buttons until I get dumped to a live operator. (Try it, it works!)
I do that too but while pushing the random keys last week while being forced to listen AGAIN to the long winded and patronising "did I know about metalink?" message while calling Oracle tech support and desperately hoping to MAKE IT STOP, however it dumped me out to an operator in Switzerland.
From the Dragon page: True Continuous Speech -
Speak to your computer naturally and at a normal pace--without pausing between words. Your spoken words swiftly appear on your computer screen.
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I don't agree. I was slightly wrong in saying no licence is required - it is covered by your main household licence no matter where the device is situated. Presumably most people have a TV anyway. But in any case a phone could be programmed to only pick up satellite channels and would therefore be completely exempt.
You might think that, but you are mistaken. Yes a home license would cover the phone, so long as the home TV were not used at the same time while the phone were out of the house. As for only receiving satellite, the license fee covers any device that is used to receive TV programme services that originate in the UK. If you received satellite broadcasts that that originated outside of the UK and only those broadcasts, then you do not need a license.
As for people who claim they never watch terrestrial, or listen to BBC radio, or browse the BBC news website or anything else the licence funds - bullshit.
Firstly the license only covers TV receiving equipment. Although it pays for the website and radio, it is not legally required (read: cannot be enforced effectively).
I really really do not watch TV at home. I may occasionally glance at a screen in a pub or something or perhaps watch a film on TV at my parents home at Commercemas but that's about it. Believe what you like, it doesn't change the truth.
Doesn't the UK have better TV than the US though?
Having spent some time in the US I'd say "probably" but I don't know right now as I don't watch TV and have not done for around 5 years now.
I have no problem with paying for services if they are worthwhile. My personal issue with them is that they simply don't believe you when you say you don't watch TV. I legally do not need a TV License however I get constantly bombarded with threatening sounding letters and people coming to the house "for a look around".
Check out the website of this guy for examples of how the TV-L-Nazis treat we non-conformists.
No it wouldn't, because the TV licence doesn't cover devices solely operated by batteries (which I presume would cover phones if the charger disabled TV service). But I wouldn't worry, because Sky (satellite) would charge you 300 to watch their stations through it and inflict as much advertising on to you as UK broadcast standards permit.
You are mistaken, it covers any and all equipment capable of receivinga signal. With satellite TV it's just worse because you have to buy a TV license on top of the sat fee even if you dont watch terrestrial.
not true
'The TV Licence for your main address will, however, automatically cover any TV used in a touring caravan, vehicle or boat, or any televisions operated by their own internal batteries.'
I refer you to the paragraph directly above the one you posted on the TV Licecing website:
Mobile homes and caravans
If you or any other person uses a TV in your static caravan or mobile home and another is being used in your main home at the same time, you'll need a separate TV Licence.
However, if a TV isn't being used in your static caravan or mobile home at the same time as in your home, you don't need a separate TV Licence. In which case you'll just need to complete a declaration form (see below).
...actually my parent post is not strictly accurate. The cost of a UK license is 121UKP a year which right now is $221.83, not $160 as originally stated.
aken straight from TV licensing web site:
** A TV set powered by its own internal batteries - a pocket sized TV for example - may be covered by a licence at your home address.
That is correct. Notice the use of the word "may". The "may" would apply IF no other TV was being used in your house while you were using the portable. This is why it is ok to have a (perhaps battery operated) TV in a holiday caravan, so long as your TV back home is not being used. It's like seat licensing for software.
If a TV receiving phone were used out of the house while the home TV were in use, you could be fined. (Catching you is another matter entirely however).
Not true. You don't need a license for battery operated TVs in the UK, mobiles would come under this.
You are mistaken. The letter of the law is
"If you use or install television receiving equipment to receive or record television programme services you are required by law to have a valid TV Licence."
This covers ANY and ALL equipment capable of receiving television signals that originate from the UK. This includes ANY form of TV receiver including computer graphics cards and VCR's.
If battery televisions were exempt, do you not think that people would simply purchase a battery receiver and plug it into a larger monitor?
If this ever makes it to the UK, due to the TV Licensing Nazis - if, say, every member of a household had one of these phones and used them while out of the house, a seperate TV license costing around $160 a year would be needed for each phone.
Ahh yes! That was it - I loved that game. I think that was the first game that I ever completed in the arcade.
I used to love arcades when I was a kid - I played the original Space Invaders and Asteroids (and lets not forget the classic Defender) and remember things like the original StarWars vector game. Then came Outrun, Space Harrier etc and what was that game called out at the same time as Outrun (and the TopGun movie) where you were flying something like an F-14 Tomcat?
I can remember thinking logically that "someday" all of that stuff could be done at home and then wondering how good arcade machines would be in comparison - I mean - if you could have Dragons Lair at home, just how good would an arcade machine be?
"Not much" it seems!
How interesting. Now perhaps we could have some IT related news. Thanks.
Is it me or does everything Disney do seem a bit Mickey Mouse?
Aparently HM Customs in the UK are about to increase import duty on DVI monitors, thus further pushing up the price.
What happens when the spam simply contains a link to a legit site like Microsoft / RedHat / Apple / Network Associates / Norton etc? You are then going to block all messages that mention these sites? You are going to succeed in cutting yourself off from security mailing lists if nothing else.
lol - I was only joking in my parent post but I just installed it on my Powerbook and it crashed during reboot! I was like "OH CRAP!"
:)
Fortunately a three fingered salute fixed it.
Don't think I'm going to risk it on the server remotely tonight however
This item's been sitting here a while, without even a FP troll. Is the Apple OS so secure that a security patch is not an immediate "get it now"?
/. OS X users wait to see who is going to chance the install first after the 10.2.8 fiasco.
Perhaps everyone who has installed it has crashed horribly and can't get online to warn us?
Seriously though - I think many
So has anyone installed it on a jobbing Jaguar XServe yet? Is it safe for me to patch ours overnight?
it can perform a denial-of-service against www.sco.com. Details at Symantec and F-Secure, although neither seems to have finished their analysis.
.. lets take our time over this.. no need to rush things now is there? I mean - we wouldn't want to make a mistake or anything now would we?
Cut to the labs of the antivirus companies:
Sir! The new virus seems to launch a DDoS against sco.com!
REALLY? Great work! Now
Take a 2 day lunch.
exactly what Bill Gates has done to earn an honor of this magnitude
Well it's obvious isn't it? He's in town to "discuss" the National Health Service (NHS) contracts as they are threatening to go with Sun and the JAVA Desktop.
I'm betting the conversation went something like this:
Bill: What's the problem? What would convince you to go with Windows?
NHS: A HUGE discount. We'd really like to go with Microsoft rather than spending millions switching just to have the pleasure of renting from Sun, but we just can't afford the cash you want. We could however perhaps come to some other arrangement?
Bill: What you got?
NHS: How about we offer you free health care?
Bill: er.. thanks but I got that covered.
NHS: Oh. Hey - how about a knighthood?
Bill: It's a DEAL!
I'm just wondering - did geeks watch football back in 1984? I can picture it now: Mundane: "Hey geek boy I got a new computer" Geek: "Yeah yeah its not as good as my Apple II" *looks* Geek: "WTF??!!!111"
Doesn't Spirit's twin, Opportunity, start it's landing tomorrow?
It's probably some bizarre licensing issue for the OS causing it to shut down as it's detected that NASA are trying to run two copies at the same time.
Kind of like Beagle 2's problems caused by the transmissions being intercepted by the RIAA as they file a lawsuit against Colin Pillinger for offering illegal music downloads from Mars.
Moving your head closer to the object?
It's like the built in zoom function of the human body.
With reference to Red Dwarf
Would have been nice to see a conversion for the 2600, however it may have ended up a bit like the first game mentioned here.
This is precisely why it's fun to switch cards with random strangers and imagine the confusion when a healthy eating family of four suddenly turns into a single guy who only eats tofu.
I just press random buttons until I get dumped to a live operator. (Try it, it works!)
I do that too but while pushing the random keys last week while being forced to listen AGAIN to the long winded and patronising "did I know about metalink?" message while calling Oracle tech support and desperately hoping to MAKE IT STOP, however it dumped me out to an operator in Switzerland.
What about simply plugging the tape into a system running Dragon Naturally Speaking or IBM ViaVoice?
From the Dragon page:
True Continuous Speech - Speak to your computer naturally and at a normal pace--without pausing between words. Your spoken words swiftly appear on your computer screen.