I'd have said "better than slackware on the install". I realise I'm in the minority here, but I like a simple, text-based install process. After Gentoo's, my favourite installers (of those I've used) are Debian's old-style one and [Free|Open]BSD. They do what they need to, and don't get in the way.
I'm afraid that doesn't make sense. You (1) like a text-based installer, (2) like it simple and (3) like Debian's installer, which is renowned as arcane and hard to use.
I fail to see how Slackware's install, which is a matter of typing "setup" and following a few very simple prompts is harder than Gentoo's.
Or you could always try Slackware. It's a no-brainer to install, but the whole distribution is geared towards maintainability, so you get to learn at least as much as any Gentoo user, but without so many headaches.
Hmmm again. There are still many who persist in setting their user-agent sessions to spoof an IE client. In other words, the figures are skewed before you even look at them.
Though my personal preference is to leave my client-ID unspoofed, and never return to those sites that insist on being IE-only.
That said, many users don't need the kitchensink or even the email client. I used to run my own builds of Mozilla with the mail client and other cruft stripped out, and I was very happy with it for a long time. However, I don't think I've fired up Mozilla once in the last 3 months. Firefox is _much_ faster, and it integrates reasonably nicely with my Gnome/GTK+ themes.
The only caveat I've found with Firefox is, ironically, rendering of Slashdot pages where I often middle-click a link only to see the new thread appear as green stripes with no text. It's a cockup, I think, but I can live with it.
OK, I realise not everybody is savvy enough to set up, or want to set up, any kind of *nix alternative (Macs included) but if he wishes to pursue proprietary solutions, he should at least consider more recent offerings from MS than excreta from six years ago.
He could try simply deleting Lookout! Express and replacing it with some less vulnerable mail client. The majority of the viruses I've seen involve that horrible package in one way or another, and ditching it removes at least part of the problem.
This just lets you parametrically set that. Nifty.
But totally dishonest. Put simply, there is no legitimate purpose for this kind of technology, so there is no reason why authorities should not legislate against it and prosecute offenders.
Except, of course, that most governments are totally dishonest too.
Since when has anything a politician has to say anything to do with democracy? Given Howard's record for ignoring or misrepresenting the truth, I wouldn't put much faith in the content of any emails he sends.
It's clear enough that that hole in the anti-spam law was put there deliberately for only one purpose.
Compared to bombing another country and torturing it's inhabitants under false pretences I'd think spamming is a pretty minor offence.
This is true, but adding to our load of spam might just be one thing that'll tip the balance with some of the more apathetic Australians.
Spamming is a personal intrusion which some might not forgive, even in the unlikely circumstance that they can't find plenty of other things to not forgive him for.
Agreed. We only have to look at recent history; Linux was created in the first place to evoke "the good old days of Minix" (rough sort-of-quote from Linus Torvalds). Given how much effort the open-source community have put into the project, by comparison with how much SCO has done with the project they bought, who deserves to prosper?
IBM was the 400lb gorilla back when Microsoft was a 2-bit operation with a couple of geeks trying to cash in. Now the boot is on the other foot (sort of).
Microsoft is now the 400lb gorilla, and IBM has thrown its lot in with the "free world".
So... IBM benefits, and so do we.
I'm not complaining.
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Installing the new CVS stuff is a pain in the ass though.
I can't say I'm a big fan of CVs, but I just downloaded and extracted all the source packages from Sourceforge, and a simple
./configure --prefix=/usr && make && make install
was all I needed to do on my Slackware box. No problem.
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I used to use E13 with all the eye-candy it had back when I had a PII-400 with only 68 Mb of RAM. It worked fine then, and I doubt if it's changed.
I remember a lot of heated words being uttered about E's "bloat", but I just downloaded all the major components of E17, and the total came to about 11 Mb, which seems pretty paltry by comparison with Gnome (not flaming, I'm a big fan of Gnome) or KDE.
I'm looking forward to giving it another spin...
Not quite; some distros used E as a WM under Gnome (as opposed to the other way around). Offhand, I don't recall why they replaced it with Sawfish.
Personally, I'm a bit disappointed with the Gnome crowd for having ditched a WM that did its job in favour of Metacity, which doesn't. (Metacity is incapable of remembering window placement or minimised/maximised state, which as far as I am concerned, is a WM's job.)
AFAIK we don't have a Best Buy here in Western Australia, but there are always others who will try to screw you.
My policy when I have this kind of issue is to insist on speaking to the manager the moment I get a whiff of being fed a line of crap. I never allow them to shepherd me into a back office, for the same reason that I never phone; you're at a disadvantage if you can't be seen or heard by anyone else. If I've timed it right, there will be heaps of other customers around in the shop to provide an audience as I explain loudly that the only difference between this product and a bucket of shit is the bucket, and that I don't like being cheated.
I then loudly point out their obligations under Western Australia's consumer laws, and offer to report the case to the Department of Consumer Affairs, or if I feel I've really been defrauded, the Police.
You don't have to shout; usually mention of the words "fraudulent" or "police" in a firm tone of voice are enough to make them capitulate.
Well I can only say I'm sorry you've had such a hard time with Linux. But to be honest, I would have so say that my (brief) experience with Mandrake was similarly frustrating.
Fortunately, it's now a lot easier and quicker to set up a properly working Slackware system than it was ten years ago (if you don't mind a text-mode installer) and I think you might have been pleasantly surprised at how well everything "just works".
If you don't want to touch a command-line you don't have to; the Gnome or KDE that come out of the box are perfectly adequate, or there's Dropline Gnome for all the latest features...
When I referred to the "original poster" in my comment, I meant just that. The original post in this thread was by "simoniker on Thursday August 19, @08:18AM".
Maybe you (BrokenHalo (565198)) could focus on reading the original post (Davak (526912)) so that you'd see he was referring to a patient of his and not to himself.
If you go back and read my post, you'll see the relevance. Note that I referred to "him" not "you".
In any case, ascribing mental illness to this condition suggests an inability to look beyond one's own prejudices..
Diagnostic techniques commonly used (e.g. those relying on allergig response on the skin) commonly indicate an allergy to "everything", when a proper RAS (blood) test indicates only a few allergens, where the symptoms mask all the others.
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I'm afraid that doesn't make sense. You (1) like a text-based installer, (2) like it simple and (3) like Debian's installer, which is renowned as arcane and hard to use.
I fail to see how Slackware's install, which is a matter of typing "setup" and following a few very simple prompts is harder than Gentoo's.
Or you could always try Slackware. It's a no-brainer to install, but the whole distribution is geared towards maintainability, so you get to learn at least as much as any Gentoo user, but without so many headaches.
Though my personal preference is to leave my client-ID unspoofed, and never return to those sites that insist on being IE-only.
That said, many users don't need the kitchensink or even the email client. I used to run my own builds of Mozilla with the mail client and other cruft stripped out, and I was very happy with it for a long time. However, I don't think I've fired up Mozilla once in the last 3 months. Firefox is _much_ faster, and it integrates reasonably nicely with my Gnome/GTK+ themes.
The only caveat I've found with Firefox is, ironically, rendering of Slashdot pages where I often middle-click a link only to see the new thread appear as green stripes with no text. It's a cockup, I think, but I can live with it.
OK, I realise not everybody is savvy enough to set up, or want to set up, any kind of *nix alternative (Macs included) but if he wishes to pursue proprietary solutions, he should at least consider more recent offerings from MS than excreta from six years ago.
He could try simply deleting Lookout! Express and replacing it with some less vulnerable mail client. The majority of the viruses I've seen involve that horrible package in one way or another, and ditching it removes at least part of the problem.
Heh. A Linux crash, of course. ;-)
If there's been a team of ladies concocting some of the recent Slashdot colour schemes recently, that might explain why my eyes hurt... :-)
But totally dishonest. Put simply, there is no legitimate purpose for this kind of technology, so there is no reason why authorities should not legislate against it and prosecute offenders.
Except, of course, that most governments are totally dishonest too.
'Nuff said.
It's clear enough that that hole in the anti-spam law was put there deliberately for only one purpose.
No, John Howard is just as nasty a pice of work as G.W. Shrub, he's just smarter, which makes him evil.
This is true, but adding to our load of spam might just be one thing that'll tip the balance with some of the more apathetic Australians.
Spamming is a personal intrusion which some might not forgive, even in the unlikely circumstance that they can't find plenty of other things to not forgive him for.
Agreed. We only have to look at recent history; Linux was created in the first place to evoke "the good old days of Minix" (rough sort-of-quote from Linus Torvalds). Given how much effort the open-source community have put into the project, by comparison with how much SCO has done with the project they bought, who deserves to prosper?
Microsoft is now the 400lb gorilla, and IBM has thrown its lot in with the "free world".
So... IBM benefits, and so do we.
I'm not complaining.
I can't say I'm a big fan of CVs, but I just downloaded and extracted all the source packages from Sourceforge, and a simple
was all I needed to do on my Slackware box. No problem.
I remember a lot of heated words being uttered about E's "bloat", but I just downloaded all the major components of E17, and the total came to about 11 Mb, which seems pretty paltry by comparison with Gnome (not flaming, I'm a big fan of Gnome) or KDE. I'm looking forward to giving it another spin...
Not quite; some distros used E as a WM under Gnome (as opposed to the other way around). Offhand, I don't recall why they replaced it with Sawfish.
Personally, I'm a bit disappointed with the Gnome crowd for having ditched a WM that did its job in favour of Metacity, which doesn't. (Metacity is incapable of remembering window placement or minimised/maximised state, which as far as I am concerned, is a WM's job.)
My policy when I have this kind of issue is to insist on speaking to the manager the moment I get a whiff of being fed a line of crap. I never allow them to shepherd me into a back office, for the same reason that I never phone; you're at a disadvantage if you can't be seen or heard by anyone else. If I've timed it right, there will be heaps of other customers around in the shop to provide an audience as I explain loudly that the only difference between this product and a bucket of shit is the bucket, and that I don't like being cheated.
I then loudly point out their obligations under Western Australia's consumer laws, and offer to report the case to the Department of Consumer Affairs, or if I feel I've really been defrauded, the Police.
You don't have to shout; usually mention of the words "fraudulent" or "police" in a firm tone of voice are enough to make them capitulate.
As they say, the only difference between a computer salesman and a used-car salesman is that at least the used-car salesman knows he's lying.
Fortunately, it's now a lot easier and quicker to set up a properly working Slackware system than it was ten years ago (if you don't mind a text-mode installer) and I think you might have been pleasantly surprised at how well everything "just works".
If you don't want to touch a command-line you don't have to; the Gnome or KDE that come out of the box are perfectly adequate, or there's Dropline Gnome for all the latest features...
When I referred to the "original poster" in my comment, I meant just that. The original post in this thread was by "simoniker on Thursday August 19, @08:18AM".
If you go back and read my post, you'll see the relevance. Note that I referred to "him" not "you".
Diagnostic techniques commonly used (e.g. those relying on allergig response on the skin) commonly indicate an allergy to "everything", when a proper RAS (blood) test indicates only a few allergens, where the symptoms mask all the others.