You're quoting the Inquirer. That's like quoting the Daily Star on what Tom Cruise's schedule will be tomorrow.
Sometimes the inquirer is actually right, but another set of rumors flying around the web right now are suggesting that ATI will be using only one molex connection on their card. Of course, that brings up another point: THEY'RE RUMORS. Just wait 2 damn weeks and we'll see the real thing.
It's true, that second download page shouldn't be there (it should be one click download, quick install, and that's it).
But, MPR has their own direct link to the RealPlayer download page (much like they gave cartalk.com earlier) http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=npr. It's partially their fault for not putting this out there better.
I can't believe people are actually complaining about winamp bloat. Winamp has been one of the better examples of not-bloat. Sure, 5 is worse than 2, but it's better than 3, and much of the CPU-hogging goes away when you go back to classic skins. For me, the enqueue function makes it well worth it.
I think the only way you can get less bloated is if you used something like mpg123. XMMS is a winamp-clone on linux anyway.
I actually didn't mind Helix Player. It's everything I would expect a linux version of RealPlayer to be. Minimal, GTK2, and plays back both RA streams and local RV files. Couldn't quite get it to playback Divx or xvid though.
Mplayer has a little problem with seeking in the middle of realmedia files, even if you use -forceidx (not a problem if you just sit down and watch a file the whole way through though:) ). Helix player does it just fine.
Isn't it obvious? Subtler, quieter ads that try to convince you to buy RealPlayer Plus, Superpass, or Rhapsody (the latter of which is the only one I found even worthwhile, as it's pretty damn good at music. Think iTunes store, all of it, streamed for a flat rate. It does have the inherent downsides of streamed music, but eh). The only way they can get you to try these is if you use the program that carries it through.
There's also the sale of their Helix server, but that costs a shitload of money, and it doesn't matter if they're hosting cartalk for free.
So you're picking a desktop. You don't like that Konq is integrated into KDE? Fine, don't use it. GNOME works just as well for many users. Don't like that either? Well, there's always blackbox, fluxbox, WM...need I go on?
So you don't like the Windows XP desktop hm? Let's see your vendor-supplied choices...oh, what's that, you have none? Well, there's always litestep, a nice shell that hacks around explorer. But your problem was with IE integrated into Windows. Well, I'm sorry, we can't change that at all. That whole My Computer thing, Windows explorer, they all use IE. But, if you want, we can give you a court-mandated control panel that can remove the icon for you.
Uh, just to nitpick here, but how does anything that Rio makes look anything at all looking like the iPod? It's about half the height and nearly twice as thick, so that ain't it. Maybe it's the red stick? Whoops, nope. Maybe it's the scroll wheel that looks like the one I have on my mouse? Well, it's a scroll wheel, but that's about it.
Can't comment on the interface, as I don't have one, but in the 30 seconds I tried it in the store it was different enough from the iPod's that I didn't think anyone would get confused.
Maybe you're thinking of the iRiver, but even so, it's blue and even then doesn't have a scroll wheel, it's got a crummy feeling joystick. Plus it's remote is the same one from its SlimX 550. And last time I remember, iRiver's interface was distinctly korean (happy icons for everything!)
The brontosaurus vs. apatosaurus debate has been solved, and only remains in the public because it's been in the public for a long time. Basically, the person who named the brontosaurus didn't realize that he was basically looking at the same thing as apatosaurus.
Look here and enlighten yourself: http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/dino/faq/s-class/bron to/
Except, the obvious difference being is that your participation is being solicited and completely voluntary at this point. With TiVo, you're not really getting an option to opt out, even if they are pretty clear about what they're doing.
Ever tried a nightly? I think those are hints as to what MozillaF is planning on doing. Right now, nightly builds use a globe with an orange F as the default icon, and still use the flaming bird for the about: screen. In other words, the old logos.
However, I'm not too sure what the status is on using "Firefox" as a name for your build. That's somehting the mozilla folks are going to have to figure out (and it's definitely a thorny legal issue).
The Mozilla Foundation and Toho (sp?) have an agreement concerning trademarks. This was resolved way back when Mozilla was under AOLTW/Netscape's wings. I don't remember the exact details, but basically it allows Mozilla to continue use of the name Mozilla and logos, and all current products named "-zilla," such as ChatZilla. I don't know if it allows new -zilla named products, but it might not (and that would be a bad idea anyway).
If you want, the proof is likely on google or mozillazine.
Has anyone noticed that, for the first time in X years, Real.com puts "Free Download" front and center, and the link actually *does* give you a free download?
At least they're trying. Me, I'll stick with Helix Player on Linux.
Well if he only begrudgingly included Outlook and didn't include Eudora because it was Windows-only, what makes you think that Panther's Mail somehow transcends that one-platform only problem?
Granted, he did include Evolution, but that seems obvious because he's targeting the/. *nix crowd anyway.
Will you shutup about this nonsensical "politics" of yours? How about, Mozilla.org is currently working on SVG, and it is currently in the middle of a rewrite. The SVG backend was just replaced in Gecko, and is available in CVS for all to see and use. It's not switched on by default yet because the they're not done yet. You want to test out SVG support? Pull from CVS and help them with bugs. You'll noticed that some of the bugs listed in there are such things like "crashes on print of libart graphics" or "crash in...". When SVG rewrite has progressed more, you'll see it turned on.
And Mozilla's HTML and CSS1 support are topnotch, except for a couple of bugs in either (and that was from a few years ago, I'm sure it's better now). It leads the pack in CSS2, and CSS3 isn't even done yet. Quit whining about non-existent politics and just be a little more patient.
What IE4 did you use? IE4 was notorious for crashing, and crashing hard. If IE4 crashed, it was very likely to take out your system along with it too. It wasn't until IE5 that they had gotten their act together: decent standards support (for the time), less crashiness, and better enough over NS4 (which had pretty much stagnated around 4.5-4.7 by then)
IE4 on Win98 was slightly better, but only because they had updated it a bit and put in some more hooks into the OS. IE4 on Win95 was crap, simply because it *was* so crashy. CNET even took away the editor's choice from IE4 for this one simple reason.
I don't know if any of you have ever tried napster, but I made the mistake of subscribing to their "premium" service. Here's a slight edit of a post I made to my blog:
After using it for about 5 minutes, I can tell I hate it. In no particular order, here's a couple reasons why:
The program tells you $10 for unlimited plays, but that only gets you streaming. Wanna keep the songs? Pay another $1 a pop. (To their credit, this is a problem with all streaming services)
96kbps WMA sucks. I never thought I could actually easily tell difference audibly, but let me tell you, the LOTR ROTK soundtrack makes it quite apparent. By comparison, Rhapsody uses 128kbps WMA (still not great, but better)
A good chunk of songs in there are marked "buy only," meaning, your napster premium account isn't so premium after all. This sucks. Compare that with Rhapsody, where although they only do a streaming service, many songs marked "buy only" on napster are very much available for streaming through Rhapsody. Some examples: Audioslave, anything by Soundgarden, and Greenday.
I understand that for the DB people it hurts to have name confusion with a much more visible project with formerly large backers. I personally don't have any ill will to them ("Mozilla Firebird" generally solved most of the confusion a long time ago, and now it's a done deal). But, in the heat of the moment, their conduct could've been a little better.
Trademark law allows for things to have similar names if they're in different fields. Although both are in software, *nobody* who is looking for Firebird the database is going to confuse it with Firebird the browser, especially when both show up in the top 10 of google for 'firebird'. If anything, it goes the other way around.
In fact, out of this whole thing, the Firebird DB people probably benefited the most out of the whole charade. They got a bunch of free publicity, and as evidenced here, there's a crap load of people who now know what it is and would otherwise have no reason to.
And their conduct throughout the ordeal was less than sportsmanlike. True, MozillaFoundation probably should've done a little better checking on it, but most likely in their eyes they came to the same conclusion we did: confusion between the 2 projects wasn't likely. However, this didn't stop the FirebirdDB people from being near harrassing. Their first 'call to action' was to essentially mailbomb anyone and everyone Mozilla related (http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article= 3115). Perhaps if they had been a little more understanding and realized that the uproar about this took Mozilla by surprise as much as it did for them, maybe there wouldn't be some ill-will.
At the time, Mozilla.org was part of AOL. AOL's a big company. Big companies move slowly. The issue was going to be resolved (partially with the name Mozilla Firebird instead of just Firebird) anyway.
In the end, changing to Firefox was definitely the right thing to do. No confusion with anybody else, no wondering about what GM thinks about the name, brand spanking new logo, and clear skies until 1.0:)
Small accuracy note: I believe Roy Disney resigned off of the Disney board, not booted off like you think (unless we're talking different people here). to make a long story short, the reason Roy disney did this was because he hates Eisner (and who can blame him?)
Mozilla *is* a community effort. However, as a result of Netscape's disintegration, one of Mozilla's new goals was to have a couple of big projects that still gained much from community support, but were more tightly "owned" by a smaller group of people. In the case of Firefox, that is Ben Goodger. The project owner gets to make all the big calls on the project, and can set his/her own goals. While this does seem a bit bad, also remember that projects designed entirely by committees can be bad (see the opinion of Mozilla Seamonkey around 1.0 days).
In the case of Camino, because the project owner has less time than before to work on it, he's opened up development much more to the community to encourage patches.
Having a project owner is neither really good thing or a really bad thing. It's just an organizational change. It doesn't change the fact that all Mozilla projects are fully open source and free.
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I'd love to see your numbers. Especially when they disagree with you so.
You're quoting the Inquirer. That's like quoting the Daily Star on what Tom Cruise's schedule will be tomorrow.
Sometimes the inquirer is actually right, but another set of rumors flying around the web right now are suggesting that ATI will be using only one molex connection on their card. Of course, that brings up another point: THEY'RE RUMORS. Just wait 2 damn weeks and we'll see the real thing.
It's true, that second download page shouldn't be there (it should be one click download, quick install, and that's it).
But, MPR has their own direct link to the RealPlayer download page (much like they gave cartalk.com earlier) http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=npr. It's partially their fault for not putting this out there better.
I can't believe people are actually complaining about winamp bloat. Winamp has been one of the better examples of not-bloat. Sure, 5 is worse than 2, but it's better than 3, and much of the CPU-hogging goes away when you go back to classic skins. For me, the enqueue function makes it well worth it.
I think the only way you can get less bloated is if you used something like mpg123. XMMS is a winamp-clone on linux anyway.
I actually didn't mind Helix Player. It's everything I would expect a linux version of RealPlayer to be. Minimal, GTK2, and plays back both RA streams and local RV files. Couldn't quite get it to playback Divx or xvid though.
:) ). Helix player does it just fine.
Mplayer has a little problem with seeking in the middle of realmedia files, even if you use -forceidx (not a problem if you just sit down and watch a file the whole way through though
Isn't it obvious? Subtler, quieter ads that try to convince you to buy RealPlayer Plus, Superpass, or Rhapsody (the latter of which is the only one I found even worthwhile, as it's pretty damn good at music. Think iTunes store, all of it, streamed for a flat rate. It does have the inherent downsides of streamed music, but eh). The only way they can get you to try these is if you use the program that carries it through.
There's also the sale of their Helix server, but that costs a shitload of money, and it doesn't matter if they're hosting cartalk for free.
So you're picking a desktop. You don't like that Konq is integrated into KDE? Fine, don't use it. GNOME works just as well for many users. Don't like that either? Well, there's always blackbox, fluxbox, WM...need I go on?
So you don't like the Windows XP desktop hm? Let's see your vendor-supplied choices...oh, what's that, you have none? Well, there's always litestep, a nice shell that hacks around explorer. But your problem was with IE integrated into Windows. Well, I'm sorry, we can't change that at all. That whole My Computer thing, Windows explorer, they all use IE. But, if you want, we can give you a court-mandated control panel that can remove the icon for you.
Can't comment on the interface, as I don't have one, but in the 30 seconds I tried it in the store it was different enough from the iPod's that I didn't think anyone would get confused.
Maybe you're thinking of the iRiver, but even so, it's blue and even then doesn't have a scroll wheel, it's got a crummy feeling joystick. Plus it's remote is the same one from its SlimX 550. And last time I remember, iRiver's interface was distinctly korean (happy icons for everything!)
Bzzzzt. Try again!
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The brontosaurus vs. apatosaurus debate has been solved, and only remains in the public because it's been in the public for a long time. Basically, the person who named the brontosaurus didn't realize that he was basically looking at the same thing as apatosaurus.
Look here and enlighten yourself: http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/dino/faq/s-class/bro
Except, the obvious difference being is that your participation is being solicited and completely voluntary at this point. With TiVo, you're not really getting an option to opt out, even if they are pretty clear about what they're doing.
Ever tried a nightly? I think those are hints as to what MozillaF is planning on doing. Right now, nightly builds use a globe with an orange F as the default icon, and still use the flaming bird for the about: screen. In other words, the old logos.
However, I'm not too sure what the status is on using "Firefox" as a name for your build. That's somehting the mozilla folks are going to have to figure out (and it's definitely a thorny legal issue).
The Mozilla Foundation and Toho (sp?) have an agreement concerning trademarks. This was resolved way back when Mozilla was under AOLTW/Netscape's wings. I don't remember the exact details, but basically it allows Mozilla to continue use of the name Mozilla and logos, and all current products named "-zilla," such as ChatZilla. I don't know if it allows new -zilla named products, but it might not (and that would be a bad idea anyway).
If you want, the proof is likely on google or mozillazine.
At least they're trying. Me, I'll stick with Helix Player on Linux.
Then you'll be wanting TTT:EE. It's an easter egg (I'll leave it to you to find out where it is :) )
No, that was done because Mozilla Firefox already brough 'extensions' to the table. IE is playing catch-up.
Well if he only begrudgingly included Outlook and didn't include Eudora because it was Windows-only, what makes you think that Panther's Mail somehow transcends that one-platform only problem?
/. *nix crowd anyway.
Granted, he did include Evolution, but that seems obvious because he's targeting the
Oh FWIW, the link for the svg backend rewrite is here: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182533
And Mozilla's HTML and CSS1 support are topnotch, except for a couple of bugs in either (and that was from a few years ago, I'm sure it's better now). It leads the pack in CSS2, and CSS3 isn't even done yet. Quit whining about non-existent politics and just be a little more patient.
What IE4 did you use? IE4 was notorious for crashing, and crashing hard. If IE4 crashed, it was very likely to take out your system along with it too. It wasn't until IE5 that they had gotten their act together: decent standards support (for the time), less crashiness, and better enough over NS4 (which had pretty much stagnated around 4.5-4.7 by then)
IE4 on Win98 was slightly better, but only because they had updated it a bit and put in some more hooks into the OS. IE4 on Win95 was crap, simply because it *was* so crashy. CNET even took away the editor's choice from IE4 for this one simple reason.
Just to clarify something:
I understand that for the DB people it hurts to have name confusion with a much more visible project with formerly large backers. I personally don't have any ill will to them ("Mozilla Firebird" generally solved most of the confusion a long time ago, and now it's a done deal). But, in the heat of the moment, their conduct could've been a little better.
How about, why couldn't they just let things go?
= 3115). Perhaps if they had been a little more understanding and realized that the uproar about this took Mozilla by surprise as much as it did for them, maybe there wouldn't be some ill-will.
:)
Trademark law allows for things to have similar names if they're in different fields. Although both are in software, *nobody* who is looking for Firebird the database is going to confuse it with Firebird the browser, especially when both show up in the top 10 of google for 'firebird'. If anything, it goes the other way around.
In fact, out of this whole thing, the Firebird DB people probably benefited the most out of the whole charade. They got a bunch of free publicity, and as evidenced here, there's a crap load of people who now know what it is and would otherwise have no reason to.
And their conduct throughout the ordeal was less than sportsmanlike. True, MozillaFoundation probably should've done a little better checking on it, but most likely in their eyes they came to the same conclusion we did: confusion between the 2 projects wasn't likely. However, this didn't stop the FirebirdDB people from being near harrassing. Their first 'call to action' was to essentially mailbomb anyone and everyone Mozilla related (http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article
At the time, Mozilla.org was part of AOL. AOL's a big company. Big companies move slowly. The issue was going to be resolved (partially with the name Mozilla Firebird instead of just Firebird) anyway.
In the end, changing to Firefox was definitely the right thing to do. No confusion with anybody else, no wondering about what GM thinks about the name, brand spanking new logo, and clear skies until 1.0
Small accuracy note: I believe Roy Disney resigned off of the Disney board, not booted off like you think (unless we're talking different people here). to make a long story short, the reason Roy disney did this was because he hates Eisner (and who can blame him?)
Mozilla *is* a community effort. However, as a result of Netscape's disintegration, one of Mozilla's new goals was to have a couple of big projects that still gained much from community support, but were more tightly "owned" by a smaller group of people. In the case of Firefox, that is Ben Goodger. The project owner gets to make all the big calls on the project, and can set his/her own goals. While this does seem a bit bad, also remember that projects designed entirely by committees can be bad (see the opinion of Mozilla Seamonkey around 1.0 days).
In the case of Camino, because the project owner has less time than before to work on it, he's opened up development much more to the community to encourage patches.
Having a project owner is neither really good thing or a really bad thing. It's just an organizational change. It doesn't change the fact that all Mozilla projects are fully open source and free.
Now that a brand name has finally settled, get the Firefox ad campaign buttons! Stick em on your website!
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http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/buttons