Create two sets of binaries, perhaps? The installer can install the right one.
I'm not anti-AMD, I just think they're a bitter loser. Or, if they aren't losers, then why are they complaining? I don't think it's just a moral act to protect customers. They could have shelled out some money and get Intel to add AMD support to its compiler product line. Or, they could resell AMD-optimized OEM version of some Intel competitor's compiler.
>So, chips that *could* be faster (if companies were not using Intel compilers), less expensive, and have other better qualities (heat, size, etc), isn't good for consumers?
FYI, Intel's compilers do NOT support AMD's processors.
>Anticompetitive strongarming via financial kickbacks
Financial kickbacks (to h/w makers, presumably) just lower cost of Intel processors.
>is probably only good for Intel's market position and the companies that are selling Intel-based machines regardless of what your and your company's spin is.
Another way to look at it - Intel's behavior makes AMD have to really lower their prices in order to get people to sell their stuff, which is great for the customers.
In any case, several independent analysts have predicted AMD's lawsuit is most likely without merit.
>Anyone who has purchased an Intel machine since AMD's introduction to the market should be given a large rebate
Your Honor, you have conflict of interest problem.
2) Only a moron would buy Intel's compiler to develop for AMD processors (even if they didn't know about 1))
3) From TFPDF: "ISVs are forced to choose between Intel's compilers, which degrade the performance of their software when operated with AMD microprocessors," How exactly are ISVs forced to choose "between" Intel's compilers? Those developing on AMD should NOT use Intel's compilers in the first place since Intel does not support that CPU. (BTW, ISVs are not forced - they are enticed - to choose Intel's compilers. Can they prove Intel forces ISVs to buy their compilers?)
5) From TFPDF: "Unbeknownst to them, performance of their programs is degraded when run on an AMD microprocessor not because of design deficiencies on the part of AMD, but deviousness on the part of Intel." Unbeknownst to them, the fucking product page does not even list AMD processors as supported. What do they expect? "Blistering" performance?
>However, I wonder what sort of bandwidth is necessary to make the download of a movie bearable.
To me, 2 hours or less is bearable. For that they'd need GbE (for DVD). That, of course, for most folks is about a year or two away; HOWEVER,
a) large metropolitan areas may have such infrastructure within a year
b) users willing to compromise could watch VCDs instead. Sure, its quality is shite, but that would make the delivery time nearly acceptable to folks with DSL connection. In addition, many older movies aren't available on DVD anyway, so why not start with VCDs and DVDs? I, for one, would be interested in downloading VCDs as my local Blockbuster's collection is limited.
>1) Compare the performance of itanium with xeon/opteron in running native x86 code.
Well for some apps Itanium is a faster solution.
>2) Compare the costs of building real end user systems.
Correct. If I'm not mistaken, next year we should see motherboards and systems that will work with either Xeon or Itanium CPUs. Then the processor cost will be the differntiating factor (and single CPU Itanium systems could cost about the same as dual CPU Xeon systems).
> 3) Compare the availability of windows xp drivers.
Yes. And the same goes for AMD64, tough to a much lesser extent. I think the answer to this lies in my comments on your second comment - once the chipsets and other infrastructure is unified, the Itanium drivers will become commonly available.
>Sadly, for all their interesting technology, they are still not producing CPUs that are all that useful - although the 96-CPU desktop using Transmeta chips does look fun...
SGI has also been focusing on cool, fun and niche products look at them now.
Great idea - replace a reliable US-controlled registrar with a bureaucratic Eurotrash controlled registrar.
Sure, when it comes to this matter, the U.S. government may be called controll freaks (although I find it completely justified and, besides, I haven't noticed any negative impact of the current policy so far), but replacing that control with the European bureaucracy and laziness, that is even worse!
How is that insightful - perhaps a bit informative but not really insightful as it does not offer any supportive evidence or insight.
Zope/Plone is very good but it has its shortcomings - localization support (for translated content) is not as easy to setup as in Mambo or other CMS and, if I remember well, it supports only Python scripting language (without additional and painful integration with Perl and/or other languages).
Meltdown? What the fuck does that mean? It's not a nuclear reactor, it's probably just a burned CPU which can be replaced in 10 min and at a very low cost.
Couldn't they tell the truth - "we're fed up with the old server and/or the hosting company"?
> typing slashdot and then Shift-Enter (for.net) instead of Ctrl-Shift Enter (for.org)
Isn't typing.net (or.org,.com) easier than creating rules for typosquatting?
>I find it annoying when I want to register a domain for a site and find it is being used for something stupid
Stupid is a relative term. I'm sure others also find sites registered by you being used for something stupid (in their opinion). It doesn't mean you should do anything about it, they can register and run their own stupid sites.
Check that all rare and/or important packages you use on Woody are also available as stable or testing in the new OS version.
I expected more (it's not that much friendlier/different from Woody and some packages just aren't available) and am migrating this Sarge server to CentOS 4.1 after I complete CentOS tests.
>I'll believe it when I see it, but even supposing it's so, I'd rather trust something that's been doing this in the field for 20 years and has been continually enhanced.
Well, Veritas, which I mentioned, has been around for a while.
>easier to maintain than VMS node/cluster recovery?
Yes.
>easier general manageability? How so? with a bunch of point and clic drill down menus?
no. most, if not all, clustering apps have full-blown CLI (UNIX/Win/Lin)
>A lot of stuff is really great as long as you are talking at a meeting/brochure level rather than an "actual" level.
I can see that from your email. Your experience is aparently quite limited.
> DECnet is often used these days for very mission critical applications.
So is TCP/IP, right?
> We have had sales reps from various vendors come and suggest moving to a Windows 2003/PC setup (HAHA!) or towards a more UNIX/Linux-based setup.
Well if you've got to spend a ton of money to migrate your apps that certainly doesn't make much sense, but one day you'll have to make that decision.. Some clustering software for CPUs has architecture quite similar to what you have now - for example Veritas/Symantec (UNIX) and Polyserve Matrix Server (Windows/Linux) and - and it's much easier to maintain (for example node/cluster recovery, data backup and general manageability)
I know of several companies that still buy (2nd hand) Alphas... Nice machines.
I've been struggling with the decision what to do with my Debian server for a while now and after reading TFA I've made it - I'll move to CentOS 4.1 this coming weekend.
The problem is that each of these versions has something good, but it's impossible to get most of good sides in a single version.
And I just can't afford to wait for weeks for an updated Debian package (no, I don't want to build from source, thanks) while having my server out there exposed.
It's a good distro, but most folks who like to have fun rather than do tedious jobs ran away to Ubuntu, Gentoo and whathaven't ya...
>The thinking being, I presume, that if tons of people are submitting it, they don't (and won't) realize it's a dupe.
Another way to do it: only regged users can submit stories. When a person submits a dupe, ban the fucker from submitting anything for the next 180 days.
>It was making people think, and that is something that the Old Media cannot have.
Most people don't want to think and live the life of political activists. They prefer to sit in their sofas or chairs, eat snacks and have the truth served from whatever source they feel comfortable with.
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>What do you do? Create two box sets?
Create two sets of binaries, perhaps?
The installer can install the right one.
I'm not anti-AMD, I just think they're a bitter loser.
Or, if they aren't losers, then why are they complaining? I don't think it's just a moral act to protect customers.
They could have shelled out some money and get Intel to add AMD support to its compiler product line. Or, they could resell AMD-optimized OEM version of some Intel competitor's compiler.
>So, chips that *could* be faster (if companies were not using Intel compilers), less expensive, and have other better qualities (heat, size, etc), isn't good for consumers?
FYI, Intel's compilers do NOT support AMD's processors.
>Anticompetitive strongarming via financial kickbacks
Financial kickbacks (to h/w makers, presumably) just lower cost of Intel processors.
>is probably only good for Intel's market position and the companies that are selling Intel-based machines regardless of what your and your company's spin is.
Another way to look at it - Intel's behavior makes AMD have to really lower their prices in order to get people to sell their stuff, which is great for the customers.
In any case, several independent analysts have predicted AMD's lawsuit is most likely without merit.
>Anyone who has purchased an Intel machine since AMD's introduction to the market should be given a large rebate
Your Honor, you have conflict of interest problem.
1) Intel's compiler does NOT support AMD's CPUs/ eng/vtune/220001.htm
http://www.intel.com/cd/software/products/asmo-na
2) Only a moron would buy Intel's compiler to develop for AMD processors (even if they didn't know about 1))
3) From TFPDF: "ISVs are forced to choose between Intel's compilers, which degrade the
performance of their software when operated with AMD microprocessors,"
How exactly are ISVs forced to choose "between" Intel's compilers? Those developing on AMD should NOT use Intel's compilers in the first place since Intel does not support that CPU.
(BTW, ISVs are not forced - they are enticed - to choose Intel's compilers. Can they prove Intel forces ISVs to buy their compilers?)
5) From TFPDF: "Unbeknownst to them, performance of their programs is degraded when run on
an AMD microprocessor not because of design deficiencies on the part of AMD, but
deviousness on the part of Intel."
Unbeknownst to them, the fucking product page does not even list AMD processors as supported. What do they expect? "Blistering" performance?
>However, I wonder what sort of bandwidth is necessary to make the download of a movie bearable.
To me, 2 hours or less is bearable. For that they'd need GbE (for DVD).
That, of course, for most folks is about a year or two away; HOWEVER,
a) large metropolitan areas may have such infrastructure within a year
b) users willing to compromise could watch VCDs instead. Sure, its quality is shite, but that would make the delivery time nearly acceptable to folks with DSL connection. In addition, many older movies aren't available on DVD anyway, so why not start with VCDs and DVDs? I, for one, would be interested in downloading VCDs as my local Blockbuster's collection is limited.
>1) Compare the performance of itanium with xeon/opteron in running native x86 code.
Well for some apps Itanium is a faster solution.
>2) Compare the costs of building real end user systems.
Correct.
If I'm not mistaken, next year we should see motherboards and systems that will work with either Xeon or Itanium CPUs. Then the processor cost will be the differntiating factor (and single CPU Itanium systems could cost about the same as dual CPU Xeon systems).
> 3) Compare the availability of windows xp drivers.
Yes. And the same goes for AMD64, tough to a much lesser extent. I think the answer to this lies in my comments on your second comment - once the chipsets and other infrastructure is unified, the Itanium drivers will become commonly available.
>the Intel monopolistic activities
Can you provide a URL to the result of the AMD vs. Intel lawsuit?
>Sadly, for all their interesting technology, they are still not producing CPUs that are all that useful - although the 96-CPU desktop using Transmeta chips does look fun...
SGI has also been focusing on cool, fun and niche products look at them now.
Great idea - replace a reliable US-controlled registrar with a bureaucratic Eurotrash controlled registrar.
Sure, when it comes to this matter, the U.S. government may be called controll freaks (although I find it completely justified and, besides, I haven't noticed any negative impact of the current policy so far), but replacing that control with the European bureaucracy and laziness, that is even worse!
Of course, but the retards prefer to use IBM to give the news additional credibility.
And not to mention the disaster recovery feature - the notebook automatically sends user's fingerprint scan to an IP address in China.
How is that insightful - perhaps a bit informative but not really insightful as it does not offer any supportive evidence or insight.
Zope/Plone is very good but it has its shortcomings - localization support (for translated content) is not as easy to setup as in Mambo or other CMS and, if I remember well, it supports only Python scripting language (without additional and painful integration with Perl and/or other languages).
Meltdown? What the fuck does that mean?
It's not a nuclear reactor, it's probably just a burned CPU which can be replaced in 10 min and at a very low cost.
Couldn't they tell the truth - "we're fed up with the old server and/or the hosting company"?
Actually they save money to themselves as they don't need to waste time fucking around with emulators.
> typing slashdot and then Shift-Enter (for .net) instead of Ctrl-Shift Enter (for .org)
.net (or .org, .com) easier than creating rules for typosquatting?
Isn't typing
>I find it annoying when I want to register a domain for a site and find it is being used for something stupid
Stupid is a relative term.
I'm sure others also find sites registered by you being used for something stupid (in their opinion). It doesn't mean you should do anything about it, they can register and run their own stupid sites.
>Why upgrade to XP when everything I need runs on 2000?
I don't think you can "upgrade" from Win2K to XP anyway.
Check that all rare and/or important packages you use on Woody are also available as stable or testing in the new OS version.
I expected more (it's not that much friendlier/different from Woody and some packages just aren't available) and am migrating this Sarge server to CentOS 4.1 after I complete CentOS tests.
With highlighting you still have to scroll.
With CTRL+F, you just hit the enter key and it does the scrolling for you.
When (rarely) I prefer to see all search terms highlighted, I just use Google cache.
It's not that it was removed from the definitions update (i.e. that it is ignored/undetected). It is still detected.
They just downgraded the threat level to Moderate and changed recommended action to Ignore.
Those who care can change it to Remove. It's that easy.
No big deal.
I've seem some other utilities that call everything threats and/or infections - even cookies. That's even worse that MS's downgrade of Claria/Gator.
>I'll believe it when I see it, but even supposing it's so, I'd rather trust something that's been doing this in the field for 20 years and has been continually enhanced.
Well, Veritas, which I mentioned, has been around for a while.
>easier to maintain than VMS node/cluster recovery?
Yes.
>easier general manageability? How so? with a bunch of point and clic drill down menus?
no.
most, if not all, clustering apps have full-blown CLI (UNIX/Win/Lin)
>A lot of stuff is really great as long as you are talking at a meeting/brochure level rather than an "actual" level.
I can see that from your email. Your experience is aparently quite limited.
>Red Hat 8.0 exists.
Exist-ed before it was end-of-lifed years ago.
Judging by its performance, I thought that is the default KDE screensaver.
> DECnet is often used these days for very mission critical applications.
So is TCP/IP, right?
> We have had sales reps from various vendors come and suggest moving to a Windows 2003/PC setup (HAHA!) or towards a more UNIX/Linux-based setup.
Well if you've got to spend a ton of money to migrate your apps that certainly doesn't make much sense, but one day you'll have to make that decision..
Some clustering software for CPUs has architecture quite similar to what you have now - for example Veritas/Symantec (UNIX) and Polyserve Matrix Server (Windows/Linux) and - and it's much easier to maintain (for example node/cluster recovery, data backup and general manageability)
I know of several companies that still buy (2nd hand) Alphas... Nice machines.
I've been struggling with the decision what to do with my Debian server for a while now and after reading TFA I've made it - I'll move to CentOS 4.1 this coming weekend.
The problem is that each of these versions has something good, but it's impossible to get most of good sides in a single version.
And I just can't afford to wait for weeks for an updated Debian package (no, I don't want to build from source, thanks) while having my server out there exposed.
It's a good distro, but most folks who like to have fun rather than do tedious jobs ran away to Ubuntu, Gentoo and whathaven't ya...
That is not true; Linux has very good Japanese language support, to begin with Turbolinux but also Debian and other distros.
>The thinking being, I presume, that if tons of people are submitting it, they don't (and won't) realize it's a dupe.
Another way to do it: only regged users can submit stories.
When a person submits a dupe, ban the fucker from submitting anything for the next 180 days.
>It was making people think, and that is something that the Old Media cannot have.
Most people don't want to think and live the life of political activists.
They prefer to sit in their sofas or chairs, eat snacks and have the truth served from whatever source they feel comfortable with.