Most of us haven't noticed that because we don't use up2date on fedora. I personally use apt-get as a cron job to update my system. Other people probably use YUM. You should try it.
I've done pretty much the same thing, but i've left our 2 older beowulfs on 7.3 while the new one is on 9. Our desktops run Fedora. As for the kernel updates, you realize that you DONT HAVE TO UPDATE EVERY TIME. Read the release notes and see if the patches and bugs even affect you. 9 times out of 10 they don't. I took the liberty of upgrading to 2.6.1 and will probably stick with it for some time.
Despite my arguments against the Bush administration, I believe that this is a Good IdeaTM.
The last time this country focused greatly on space exploration, education in the US improved greatly. The number of technological advancements was phenominal and common interest in science and mathematics was a geek's wet dream. I believe the US has the money to invest in the space program and to provide for the common good. Advancements are all about pushing the bounderies and space exploration has been that line in the sand for quite some time. I think its high time we stood up to the challenge and stop this exploration stagnation which has plagued us since the end of the lunar missions. For once, thank you Bush.
The Chemical Engineering Department at my university purchased a 42 node rackmount beowulf through my department (well, the one I work for), the Research Computing Department. We were to assemble the cluster and house it in our server room.
Since my boss was busy working on a visualization project and my co-worker was out sick, I was handed the whole job. I decided that the best way to organize the cluster would be to put the 42 nodes in one rack and the head node, switch, and UPSs in the other. Well, when I put the 42 nodes in the rack, I had forgotten to drop the anchors at the base of the rack. The wheels on the left side at the base gave out under the weight (each node weighs in around 40-45 lbs) almost causing the whole thing to fall over. I almost trashed a $100k beowulf because of a stupid mistake.
Luckily I was able to fix the rack and rearrange all of the nodes before the guys at Chem. Eng. came to inspect. That would have been the end of my job.
hell yeah. I would recommend a back pack over anything especially if you find yourself jogging to work because you are constantly late;) If you are scared of vibrations, just wrap it in a shirt or something. Thats what I do. Never had a problem. Plus, all the zipper contraptions are great for my accessories.
The best bet if you go the backpack route is to get one of those spiffy outdoors-hiker-sportsman-mountain-climber-looking backpacks that everyone seems to have simply because the straps are far stronger than the traditional get-your-books-to-school kind of bags.
My friend, now that I understand that your reasoning is not just mindless rantings, i retract my intelligent/insightful/funny/stupid comment. I agree with you.
Perhaps you haven't read the news lately. Besides the declining value of the US dollar, as a direct result of a "weak" dollar policy by the Fed, the economy has started to do quite well lately. Yes, jobs are very slowly coming back into the picture, but thats just the way it works. There has been increased spending across the board and insane GDP booms which only means that more jobs will soon be available (of course, this also happened a few years before the 87 crash, but conditions were different: we were on a strong dollar policy and it was helping foreign economies more than ours). Go look this news up. Its been everywhere the past few days.
Your comment wasn't insightful in the slightest. It was weak attempt at some sort of political message that has absolutely nothing to do with the current topic. To the moderators: just because you agree with a statement, does not mean its insightful or informative. If anything, its offtopic, just like my post.
Please keep in mind, I have my qualms with the president. The war in iraq, guantanamo bay, the patriot act, and a couple of other things. I do not believe, however, that this economy was his fault, but that he is doing what he thinks is right to help.
As for space: hey, he's a competative kind of guy. You have the Chinese and the EU taking stabs at space, along with the venerable Russians who have always been in the picture. The playing field is getting more crowded and he probably thinks that its time the 600 lb gorilla got back in the game.
I'm not perpetuating any FUD. I never even said anything sucked. Please don't be so defensive. I gave honest admiration and respect to those that admin on the windows platform. Their job is different from mine and I expect that they have the experience that I don't. I thought I made this clear.
I have had to admin windows boxes before. I have found that setup for a win2k domain is rather convoluted and more iffy than what I find acceptable. I have a much easier time finding solutions to problems on *nix platforms than on windows platforms.
A good example is a recent problem I ran into. I had set up 12 completely identical machines with win2k pro to run in a multi-platform compute farm. I ran the usual set of patches and updates, installed Service Pack 3, etc etc etc. When I booted the machines, all of the machines but one performed as it should. The lone runt had a strange bug where the Control Panel was divided into two panes, one with the icons and one pane without anything. This was a minor issue that I chose to ignore, thinking it was just a random mistake in some registry setting. Well, if that wasn't odd enough, the Add/Remove Programs utility was completely corrupted. Therefore, I could not remove, through the utility, an old version of matlab that I had installed. I searched goolge, I searched the MS knowledge base, I asked talented windows admins with whom I worked, I searched technet for posts that talked about this problem. I found the question, but the solutions did not work. I fought with it and fought with it, removing SP3 and installing SP2, removing patches, updates, reinstalling them. Nothing. It was not until service pack 4 came out a month later, that the problem dissapeared. I have NEVER had this problem on a *nix platform before. Problems like this simply do not happen. There is not a question that someone, somewhere cannot answer. I can look up source code, I can talk to developers of that particular software. With MS, if I want to talk to something even close to a developer, it costs quite a bit of $$$.
I am not bashing MS nor am I making an attempt to purpetuate FUD. This has been my experience. Maybe I handled it incorrectly, but I did the best I could. I asked questions, I tried to learn the tricks of the trade. In the end, I got what I wanted, but it was at a higher cost of time and effort that what it would have been on a *nix platform.
1. Well, I figured A.D. had that capability but you are stuck with what I said if those machines are independent of a domain.
2. You MS guys have more experience looking for answers to your questions. When I run into a MS problem, I search TechNet and various sources only to find the question that I am looking for but not a good answer. With linux, if I run the search on google, chances are, the answer is in the search string for each matching item.
3. As for the test thing, well, thats up for debate. Im of the school that real world scenarios, that are actually played out as a test, are more comprehensive and demonstrate a better understanding of the material than a bubble sheet.
Really though, I am a *nix admin. I am not suited for nor am I comfortable with admining NT/2k/XP/2k3 servers/clients/etc. I do notice one thing: There is more easily available info for those starting to admin on *nix than there is for windows boxes. I have found that systems admin for Windows has a more steep learning curve than any *nix platform. Mind you, this is my opinion.
I think most *nix people, like myself, are turned off to MS not simply because their servers are less stable or more bug prone, god knows that *nix admins have to run patches a lot too. I think my biggest gripe has to be the cumbersome nature of admining a box with a UI that was really designed for a user-friendly home machine. Compared to linux or solaris, where I can admin a hundred boxes by typing in one command (of course, after I set everything up to do that), its a bitch to admin multiple windows machines. On linux desktops, if i want to set up printers, i simply copy over the cups config files to the new machine. 1 second, done. Windows, you must go through a myriad of printer configuration screens, esp. if your printer is on an lpd server. I could ghost a windows image and burn it in to each machine, preserving settings, but that is as well, time consuming. I could copy out the registry settings and reimport them at install, but its still easier to scp/rcp files and be done with it. Now a good MCSE is a master at his/her craft and I admire his/her patience (hehe) and his/her ability to navigate and troubleshoot a poorly documented and closed source system. However, I do agree with the parent/parent/parent/.. that the MCSE test is quite lacking. Real-world scenarios in a lab and not on a A-B-C-D answer sheet would make the MCSE test more worthy of the money that you put into it.
If you want, here is an RPM that contains updated modutils. The package is called modutils so that it cooperates with the pre-defined dependencies. It also allows you to boot 2.6 and 2.4 kernels. It works well for me on redhat 9
Dude, you are wrong. The south did what it did because the north was imposing ridiculous trade rules on the south, because northern politicians were catering to special interests who's bottom line was being affected by the souths decision to trade heavily with England. It was really these laws that were passed, designed souly to hurt southern states and push them back into primary trade with the north, that pissed them off. Yeah, the Abolition thing was an issue, but the south was taking it in the ass in a number of other ways that were more important. Here's a link to some info http://ngeorgia.com/history/why.html
Well, I've stuck with redhat 9. I have majorly upgraded it though. I have tied into the fedora repositories and updated virtually all my packages and have not run into any problems and very very few bugs.
If anyone is running redhat 9, check out my list of repositories. I took out the fedora ones because the "Matt Repository" has most of the gnome packages that I updated including some fancy menu shadow patches. I don't see what everyone is bitching about when it comes to fedora. Its the same thing as redhat was, infact, all of the rpms are compatible with redhat 9, providing an easy upgrade route.
Repositories:
# freshrpms... of course, we all have that
rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/9/i386 os updates freshrpms
# the "Matt Repository". Great patched gnome rpms. Very up to date and bleeding edge.
rpm http://people.ecsc.co.uk/~matt/downloads/apt redhat-9-i386 gnome extras depends
# hmmm.. I dont remember
rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable bleeding
# anyone who knows linux audio knows this, Planet CCRMA at stanford
rpm http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt redhat/9/en/i386 os updates
rpm http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt redhat/all/en/i386 planetccrma rpm http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt redhat/9/en/i386 planetcore
rpm http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt redhat/9/en/i386 planetccrma
Repositories listed total 2049 packages. Now, how many of debians 3,000 packages are you REALLY going to use? I have everything I need out of these.
its a hat. what's the big deal? that, and its the same type of hat that's been redhat's logo since day one. go to their merchandise site. They've been selling the "RedHat Fedora" for years, produced by the New York Hat Company. where is the joke?
See, i can take a joke (and a suggestion) and that was funny because you didn't say something like "well, you americans always get this one wrong, so let me correct you". That was my point. Not stupid mistakes like "anal retentive". Funny none the less.
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I think they are refering to the hardware, not the software. Think about it.
Most of us haven't noticed that because we don't use up2date on fedora. I personally use apt-get as a cron job to update my system. Other people probably use YUM. You should try it.
I've done pretty much the same thing, but i've left our 2 older beowulfs on 7.3 while the new one is on 9. Our desktops run Fedora. As for the kernel updates, you realize that you DONT HAVE TO UPDATE EVERY TIME. Read the release notes and see if the patches and bugs even affect you. 9 times out of 10 they don't. I took the liberty of upgrading to 2.6.1 and will probably stick with it for some time.
They hate the X-Prize
Back that up.
As for only NASA can do it right, the recent EU attempt at a mars lander should prove this.
Despite my arguments against the Bush administration, I believe that this is a Good IdeaTM.
The last time this country focused greatly on space exploration, education in the US improved greatly. The number of technological advancements was phenominal and common interest in science and mathematics was a geek's wet dream. I believe the US has the money to invest in the space program and to provide for the common good. Advancements are all about pushing the bounderies and space exploration has been that line in the sand for quite some time. I think its high time we stood up to the challenge and stop this exploration stagnation which has plagued us since the end of the lunar missions. For once, thank you Bush.
Would you like a joint? Chill out... I sense much pent up agression.
Actually, this was fairly recent:
The Chemical Engineering Department at my university purchased a 42 node rackmount beowulf through my department (well, the one I work for), the Research Computing Department. We were to assemble the cluster and house it in our server room.
Since my boss was busy working on a visualization project and my co-worker was out sick, I was handed the whole job. I decided that the best way to organize the cluster would be to put the 42 nodes in one rack and the head node, switch, and UPSs in the other. Well, when I put the 42 nodes in the rack, I had forgotten to drop the anchors at the base of the rack. The wheels on the left side at the base gave out under the weight (each node weighs in around 40-45 lbs) almost causing the whole thing to fall over. I almost trashed a $100k beowulf because of a stupid mistake.
Luckily I was able to fix the rack and rearrange all of the nodes before the guys at Chem. Eng. came to inspect. That would have been the end of my job.
hell yeah. I would recommend a back pack over anything especially if you find yourself jogging to work because you are constantly late ;) If you are scared of vibrations, just wrap it in a shirt or something. Thats what I do. Never had a problem. Plus, all the zipper contraptions are great for my accessories.
The best bet if you go the backpack route is to get one of those spiffy outdoors-hiker-sportsman-mountain-climber-looking backpacks that everyone seems to have simply because the straps are far stronger than the traditional get-your-books-to-school kind of bags.
You dont read much from Arthur C Clark, do you? Parent was joking. Please relax.
My friend, now that I understand that your reasoning is not just mindless rantings, i retract my intelligent/insightful/funny/stupid comment. I agree with you.
Perhaps you haven't read the news lately. Besides the declining value of the US dollar, as a direct result of a "weak" dollar policy by the Fed, the economy has started to do quite well lately. Yes, jobs are very slowly coming back into the picture, but thats just the way it works. There has been increased spending across the board and insane GDP booms which only means that more jobs will soon be available (of course, this also happened a few years before the 87 crash, but conditions were different: we were on a strong dollar policy and it was helping foreign economies more than ours). Go look this news up. Its been everywhere the past few days.
Your comment wasn't insightful in the slightest. It was weak attempt at some sort of political message that has absolutely nothing to do with the current topic. To the moderators: just because you agree with a statement, does not mean its insightful or informative. If anything, its offtopic, just like my post.
Please keep in mind, I have my qualms with the president. The war in iraq, guantanamo bay, the patriot act, and a couple of other things. I do not believe, however, that this economy was his fault, but that he is doing what he thinks is right to help.
As for space: hey, he's a competative kind of guy. You have the Chinese and the EU taking stabs at space, along with the venerable Russians who have always been in the picture. The playing field is getting more crowded and he probably thinks that its time the 600 lb gorilla got back in the game.
I'm not perpetuating any FUD. I never even said anything sucked. Please don't be so defensive. I gave honest admiration and respect to those that admin on the windows platform. Their job is different from mine and I expect that they have the experience that I don't. I thought I made this clear.
I have had to admin windows boxes before. I have found that setup for a win2k domain is rather convoluted and more iffy than what I find acceptable. I have a much easier time finding solutions to problems on *nix platforms than on windows platforms.
A good example is a recent problem I ran into. I had set up 12 completely identical machines with win2k pro to run in a multi-platform compute farm. I ran the usual set of patches and updates, installed Service Pack 3, etc etc etc. When I booted the machines, all of the machines but one performed as it should. The lone runt had a strange bug where the Control Panel was divided into two panes, one with the icons and one pane without anything. This was a minor issue that I chose to ignore, thinking it was just a random mistake in some registry setting. Well, if that wasn't odd enough, the Add/Remove Programs utility was completely corrupted. Therefore, I could not remove, through the utility, an old version of matlab that I had installed. I searched goolge, I searched the MS knowledge base, I asked talented windows admins with whom I worked, I searched technet for posts that talked about this problem. I found the question, but the solutions did not work. I fought with it and fought with it, removing SP3 and installing SP2, removing patches, updates, reinstalling them. Nothing. It was not until service pack 4 came out a month later, that the problem dissapeared. I have NEVER had this problem on a *nix platform before. Problems like this simply do not happen. There is not a question that someone, somewhere cannot answer. I can look up source code, I can talk to developers of that particular software. With MS, if I want to talk to something even close to a developer, it costs quite a bit of $$$.
I am not bashing MS nor am I making an attempt to purpetuate FUD. This has been my experience. Maybe I handled it incorrectly, but I did the best I could. I asked questions, I tried to learn the tricks of the trade. In the end, I got what I wanted, but it was at a higher cost of time and effort that what it would have been on a *nix platform.
1. Well, I figured A.D. had that capability but you are stuck with what I said if those machines are independent of a domain.
2. You MS guys have more experience looking for answers to your questions. When I run into a MS problem, I search TechNet and various sources only to find the question that I am looking for but not a good answer. With linux, if I run the search on google, chances are, the answer is in the search string for each matching item.
3. As for the test thing, well, thats up for debate. Im of the school that real world scenarios, that are actually played out as a test, are more comprehensive and demonstrate a better understanding of the material than a bubble sheet.
Really though, I am a *nix admin. I am not suited for nor am I comfortable with admining NT/2k/XP/2k3 servers/clients/etc. I do notice one thing: There is more easily available info for those starting to admin on *nix than there is for windows boxes. I have found that systems admin for Windows has a more steep learning curve than any *nix platform. Mind you, this is my opinion.
I think most *nix people, like myself, are turned off to MS not simply because their servers are less stable or more bug prone, god knows that *nix admins have to run patches a lot too. I think my biggest gripe has to be the cumbersome nature of admining a box with a UI that was really designed for a user-friendly home machine. Compared to linux or solaris, where I can admin a hundred boxes by typing in one command (of course, after I set everything up to do that), its a bitch to admin multiple windows machines. On linux desktops, if i want to set up printers, i simply copy over the cups config files to the new machine. 1 second, done. Windows, you must go through a myriad of printer configuration screens, esp. if your printer is on an lpd server. I could ghost a windows image and burn it in to each machine, preserving settings, but that is as well, time consuming. I could copy out the registry settings and reimport them at install, but its still easier to scp/rcp files and be done with it. Now a good MCSE is a master at his/her craft and I admire his/her patience (hehe) and his/her ability to navigate and troubleshoot a poorly documented and closed source system. However, I do agree with the parent/parent/parent/.. that the MCSE test is quite lacking. Real-world scenarios in a lab and not on a A-B-C-D answer sheet would make the MCSE test more worthy of the money that you put into it.
If you want, here is an RPM that contains updated modutils. The package is called modutils so that it cooperates with the pre-defined dependencies. It also allows you to boot 2.6 and 2.4 kernels. It works well for me on redhat 9
modutils-2.4.21-22.i386.rpm
Dude, you are wrong. The south did what it did because the north was imposing ridiculous trade rules on the south, because northern politicians were catering to special interests who's bottom line was being affected by the souths decision to trade heavily with England. It was really these laws that were passed, designed souly to hurt southern states and push them back into primary trade with the north, that pissed them off. Yeah, the Abolition thing was an issue, but the south was taking it in the ass in a number of other ways that were more important. Here's a link to some info http://ngeorgia.com/history/why.html
Perhaps we should take a suggestion from these people.
They have the balls that this country once had.
Well, I've stuck with redhat 9. I have majorly upgraded it though. I have tied into the fedora repositories and updated virtually all my packages and have not run into any problems and very very few bugs.
If anyone is running redhat 9, check out my list of repositories. I took out the fedora ones because the "Matt Repository" has most of the gnome packages that I updated including some fancy menu shadow patches. I don't see what everyone is bitching about when it comes to fedora. Its the same thing as redhat was, infact, all of the rpms are compatible with redhat 9, providing an easy upgrade route.
Repositories:
# freshrpms... of course, we all have that
rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/9/i386 os updates freshrpms
# the "Matt Repository". Great patched gnome rpms. Very up to date and bleeding edge.
rpm http://people.ecsc.co.uk/~matt/downloads/apt redhat-9-i386 gnome extras depends
# hmmm.. I dont remember
rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable bleeding
# anyone who knows linux audio knows this, Planet CCRMA at stanford
rpm http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt redhat/9/en/i386 os updates
rpm http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt redhat/all/en/i386 planetccrma
rpm http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt redhat/9/en/i386 planetcore
rpm http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt redhat/9/en/i386 planetccrma
Repositories listed total 2049 packages. Now, how many of debians 3,000 packages are you REALLY going to use? I have everything I need out of these.
You don't see anyone saying BSD/MacOS X do you? I dont think it will be a problem.
we'd just use the bsd tools instead. there. gnu/problem solved.
its a hat. what's the big deal? that, and its the same type of hat that's been redhat's logo since day one. go to their merchandise site. They've been selling the "RedHat Fedora" for years, produced by the New York Hat Company. where is the joke?
Shit, that article is better than the lame ass one that was posted on /.
What's funny is not the story, but the fact that there really are people that are like that. Sad. Just sad.
who really cares?
See, i can take a joke (and a suggestion) and that was funny because you didn't say something like "well, you americans always get this one wrong, so let me correct you". That was my point. Not stupid mistakes like "anal retentive". Funny none the less.