U.S.A. Ireland India : Entry level developers busted. India Entry level jobs but hundreds of thousands of applicants. Ireland & USA few entry level jobs.
U.S.A. Ireland : Experienced Developer, ok but salary static and declining if inflation is kept into account. Need to move higher up the value chain to get more pay.
India : Experienced Developer, salary increasing rapidly (there are all those juniors to coach)
U.S.A. Ireland India : Middle management, little role in a static industry with experienced staff.
What role for Ireland, which has few growing local industries except for building a housing bubble based on cheap credit, will India need experienced developers to coach juniors remotely?
Currently Indian wages are 66% of Irish wages for 5 years experience QA software tester.
When you have a family to think of and you think you are past it, you are not good at what you do but you dont think you can do anything else better...
I am betting on Java and oracle the COBOL of the 2000s and 2010s and I believe that open source and the web are making big strides to openness of information so the advantages of working in a big company are less. I have two friends instrumental in startups and I watch their progress with lustful interest.
I would work for less for more job satisfaction but burger flipping is pressurized work these days.
If the government can save its own (i.e. the taxpayers) money internally by providing more explicit support (programmers and consultants) for FOSS that is a win for everyone except some proprietary software vendors. It should not (double) count fringe benefits, such as benefits to non government users of FOSS.
I agree however that there are more things government can do, like make it difficult to have employment contracts that forbid FOSS development while on a companies payroll, as well as software patent negation.
That sounded almost reasonable to me, why am I posting it on slashdot..
Opera gets two slashdottings, one when they say it will be free for a limited time only and one when they make it free as in beer.
Good marketing practice, why say things once when you can get exposure twice.
They can now make it open source under a restrictive (Sun like) license. Then they can make it GPL, then BSD, then public domain, they get advertising at every step...
Support is where the value add is, if I build firefox, who is going to download it off me?
If I had one pc I would require a dual boot, XP and linux, so what I would be happy with from a vendor is linux/ubuntu compatible hardware, or even install, AND a Windows install on a different partition.
My father is getting a laptop for Christmas, so having a spare partition and linux friendly hardware is high on my wish list for his machine, just incase I inherit it or he wants to dabble in linux (and/or) the viruses get too much for him.
Any recomendations of UK linux compatible laptop vendors? (I live in the south of Ireland and a minor dongle is required for the telephone between UK plug and south of Ireland plug).
> Is having a few windows boxes that one can vnc on to if one really needs a VBA based Microsoft Office document, or one really needs Microsoft Internet Explorer. Microsoft may want to get paid per user...
Nice if I finished the sentance, basically a Linux only shop can be enriched by a few windows boxes, and a Windows only shop can be enriched by a few Linux boxes. Support costs would rise a bit, but the few boxes could be plain systems, or unsupported.
Is having a few windows boxes that one can vnc on to if one really needs a VBA based Microsoft Office document, or one really needs Microsoft Internet Explorer. Microsoft may want to get paid per user...
Works both ways, smoother even to (ssh cygwinX) have some GNU/Linux boxes if you want it, but one does not own/have complete control of the GNU/Linux box.
I am just a wanna be, technically challenged, but GNU/Linux is not just for servers, if one has occasional access to Windows.
In 1992-1993 I applied for 99 jobs in electrical & electronic engineering, and also in Computer Science.
I would read each relevant job and decide if I could grow into that job and like it. I applied and forgot about it until they contacted me, All permanent positions.
I got about 10 first round interviews and 3-4 second round interviews and eventually 3 jobs over one weekend, and no job offers over the previous year.
I ended up with a job in Dublin, Ireland doing porting work (making the product work on different unix vendors boxs (boxen?)).
That is my 2 cent.
What do people suggest someone with 11 years experience should do?
In Short:.
Everyone tries to plan, but chance makes fools of our plans, look for the best next step. The next step is dictated by commercial realities, i.e. what jobs are currently available, check out http://www.dice.com/.
Free/open source may help your CV/Resume, it is nice if your company contract allows work on Free/Open souce on your own time, even better if it is part of your work.
Network and look for cross functional opportunities, as there can only be one person who is best at something, and they are probably over specialised.
I should join someone elses program rather than start my own. One student may be enough to keep my skills fresh, and give me a supervisory role. I will release any content we develop including but not limited to code, content that does not irritate my employer of course.
That article was from about 6 months ago, I suppose the answer is show us the data not the bias. Data can be sliced and diced in many ways.
The Economist (reporting another study)liked to think about why would evolution have it that way. Therin lies generalities and arguments with people who make a busines out of arguing about prejudice.
>I like the idea that Gnu/linux is centrally planned through Linus Torvalds, and gives everyone the tools to innovate pretty much however they would like.
I could have said Linux Torvalds refuses to plan at the high level, and at the low level we are forced to use Gnu/Linux, because it is the best set of tools for the masses.
Free/OSS revolution pales in comparison to Cuban revolution, but cross fertilisation of ideas is a Good Thing.
'I went out drinking with Thomas Paine, He saud that all revolutions are not the same' -Billy Bragg
I like the idea that Gnu/linux is centrally planned through Linus Torvalds, and gives everyone the tools to innovate pretty much however they would like.
Microsoft supporting linux which does not directly compete with windows, is not that strange as Sun has a linux strategy (use solaris when it suits, use linux when it suits) when the products are much closer and much more in direct competition.
Maybe that is it, Microsoft wants to wipe out solaris, cheap at the price.
Can people work out how much 'dissidence light' is allowed and get everyone line up at this frontier?
[A table giving what form of collectiveism is allowed could be maintained, anyone prepared to give it a try, what is 10% of the population ready and able to do which would not get them locked up/reprimanded, in various countries from A to Z including the USA and Venezuela.]
My own idea of dissidence light is to disseminate the IRA methods and procedures as part of a novel, giving people the capability to go beyond what I am prepared to do personally. This is of course illegal and may be even treason and sedition, [I have a British passport as well as an Irish one] if one takes things literally like I do (it is a geek thing, allegedly).
VÀCLAV HAVEL did it so much better in the Czech republic, gathering a dissident light community, through absurdist theatre, to build up a civil society that he thought was a necessary precursor to a freer democracy.
In Estonia there were lots of Choirs that travelled and disseminated information and news across the country before it became independant of the USSR.
It is interesting to not that mildly repressive regemes may stay in place because old people vote for the current state as they are afraid for their pensions, and it is the minority of young people who are on the streets, ie democracy of a kind is in place it is just that young people are outvoted.
I should read before I submit: Hey Ronnie Reagan I'm black and I'm pagan - Christy Moore
I just want to point out that from what little I have read and experienced, Aspergers only appear difficult to others when
1/things are being imposed on them or 2/when they make mistakes based on a 2.1/ misreading of the situation and 2.2/ a desire to try to get with the program by pointing out how they cannot.
That tortured sentance shows my clear grasped of the situation and inability to say things with any certainty. I hope it is because I know too much, but I fear it is because I know too little.
Maybe you should work your issues out with other people with Argumentative Skeptic Disorder.
And learn from/share with them their best practices for dealing with normals, or are you afraid you are not Skeptic enough, a small fish in a small pond.
The internet is for linking up like minded people, it is boom time for the marginalised as the many minorities add up to more than the majority class.
Hey Ronnie Reagan I'm black and I'm pagan - Christ Moore
My story: Mood disorder (manic depression/bipolar) which I thought described my life, but then I find that it is not prescriptive, now aspergers has been suggested, and whether I am a severe case or just pointing that way geek... who knows, it is nice to know there is another club for people who do not read body language.
In fact manic depression is often not so clear cut, in my case it is because i have several cases of mania/high/nervous breakdown, followed by 6 month low/depression. There is no genetic test AKAIK. My familty 5 out of a possible 6 have it.
If people want to label themselves to find peers, that is good, if other people label them to dismiss them or to medicate them, that is bad.
I am offering http://www.geocities.com/totierne/FreeTuition.html . Aside from the code for dole aspects, how do novice programmers become productive OSS coders. I have 10 years commercial experience, I intend to get newbies started on mini projects and familier with tools (CVS, wiki, mailing lists, python/java/c++) and then get them connected to more established projects, what is the route/jump from newbie to productive submitter, and does the way need to be signposted?
1/I think free software should be run for developers and the real advantage of newbies is that they may become developers, one should restrict costly help (i.e. time) to newbies that are unlikely to become developers. If help can scale (for example answers on the web for lots of newbies can gain from) that should be encouraged.
On the other hand:
2/Vendor drivers for linux are encouraged by the volume of users, or are drivers mostly made available by developers, perhaps even internal vendor developers, so even here 1 still holds a lot of weight.
An elitest attitude, but only if software developers consider themselves elite, rather than just another specialty, or just another club. Do plumbers encourage people generally to do plumbing, do doctors encourage people generally to do medicine?
I suppose one should remember that clubs are run for the benefit of current members or contributors, helping new members who may not contribute much and may be more likely to leave the club depends on whether that eats up other resources.
Having a barrier to entry such as repartitioning ones hard drive after playing with live CDs may not be such a bad thing. An initial barrier to entry sorts out who are potential future contributors rather than those who will be more passive members of the linux club.
This can be regarded in defiance of the many eyes credo. I am just saying that encouraging or trying to over encourage general use of linux may not help linux, so tell people that options exist sure, even help them for a fee, but do not expect the masses to automatically become contributors, from new software to maintainers to bug reporters, to the free software pool.
[oops went over my 2 point limit, or was that 2 slightly contrary points followed by several fudges to make me believe I am not completely evil]
I am just wondering if my offer for free tuition http://www.geocities.com/totierne to help people become contributors is a step forward, maybe the real contributors will be self starting, and the ones that need help will always need help. Just talking against myself.
I feel I need one or two recruits to really get underway, otherwise the research is not directed, for academic research see/dev/null, and I really believe in "learning by doing", and communities of one are hard to keep going!
What are the resources for setting up a programming club for High School students? I suppose getting recruits keeping them interested, growing the skills in the group and promoting them to being part of established Free/open source projects. A how to would be nice, I have just started with my
My intent: to coach a fee newbies with my experience, its an enthusiasm for experience swap basically... Any comments would be appreciated, recruits encouraged.
Not provokative enough, basically new hires are thin on the ground, so how do students get onto the free projects, and how do I get management experience, answers on an Electro Magnetic Pulse, build an atomic bomb in your back yard if necessary. Communism just has not been tried... yet. In Soviet Russia the government owned you.
Any reference to grooming and paedophilia is intentional.
Can you take this farther, speaking as someone who does not get body language and only unsubtle tones of voice, I revel in text.
See for reference Aspergers and the like.
I do not know if autistics gain by giving up on face to face communications all together, or going that direction, my guess is there are PhDs written on the subject and it is a slippery slope where the game is to play within the extremes.
I do not know but this subject interests me, I may even surf into it, the mess of detail would blunt my sword...
Slashdot Mirror
U.S.A. Ireland India : Entry level developers busted.
India Entry level jobs but hundreds of thousands of applicants.
Ireland & USA few entry level jobs.
U.S.A. Ireland : Experienced Developer, ok but salary static and declining if inflation is kept into account. Need to move higher up the value chain to get more pay.
India : Experienced Developer, salary increasing rapidly (there are all those juniors to coach)
U.S.A. Ireland India : Middle management, little role in a static industry with experienced staff.
What role for Ireland, which has few growing local industries except for building a housing bubble based on cheap credit, will India need experienced developers to coach juniors remotely?
Currently Indian wages are 66% of Irish wages for 5 years experience QA software tester.
When you have a family to think of and you think you are past it, you are not good at what you do but you dont think you can do anything else better...
I am betting on Java and oracle the COBOL of the 2000s and 2010s and I believe that open source and the web are making big strides to openness of information so the advantages of working in a big company are less. I have two friends instrumental in startups and I watch their progress with lustful interest.
I would work for less for more job satisfaction but burger flipping is pressurized work these days.
Just to see who the real villan is behind the various freedom fighters. MO HA HA HAHA
If the government can save its own (i.e. the taxpayers) money internally by providing more explicit support (programmers and consultants) for FOSS that is a win for everyone except some proprietary software vendors. It should not (double) count fringe benefits, such as benefits to non government users of FOSS.
I agree however that there are more things government can do, like make it difficult to have employment contracts that forbid FOSS development while on a companies payroll, as well as software patent negation.
That sounded almost reasonable to me, why am I posting it on slashdot..
Opera gets two slashdottings, one when they say it will be free for a limited time only and one when they make it free as in beer.
Good marketing practice, why say things once when you can get exposure twice.
They can now make it open source under a restrictive (Sun like) license. Then they can make it GPL, then BSD, then public domain, they get advertising at every step...
Support is where the value add is, if I build firefox, who is going to download it off me?
If I had one pc I would require a dual boot, XP and linux, so what I would be happy with from a vendor is linux/ubuntu compatible hardware, or even install, AND a Windows install on a different partition.
My father is getting a laptop for Christmas, so having a spare partition and linux friendly hardware is high on my wish list for his machine, just incase I inherit it or he wants to dabble in linux (and/or) the viruses get too much for him.
Any recomendations of UK linux compatible laptop vendors? (I live in the south of Ireland and a minor dongle is required for the telephone between UK plug and south of Ireland plug).
> Is having a few windows boxes that one can vnc on to if one really needs a VBA based Microsoft Office document, or one really needs Microsoft Internet Explorer. Microsoft may want to get paid per user...
Nice if I finished the sentance, basically a Linux only shop can be enriched by a few windows boxes, and a Windows only shop can be enriched by a few Linux boxes. Support costs would rise a bit, but the few boxes could be plain systems, or unsupported.
[I am not sure about the GNU/Linux Linux divide.]
Is having a few windows boxes that one can vnc on to if one really needs a VBA based Microsoft Office document, or one really needs Microsoft Internet Explorer. Microsoft may want to get paid per user...
Works both ways, smoother even to (ssh cygwinX) have some GNU/Linux boxes if you want it, but one does not own/have complete control of the GNU/Linux box.
I am just a wanna be, technically challenged, but GNU/Linux is not just for servers, if one has occasional access to Windows.
Just 0.02
In 1992-1993 I applied for 99 jobs in electrical & electronic engineering, and also in Computer Science.
.
:)
I would read each relevant job and decide if I could grow into that job and like it. I applied and forgot about it until they contacted me, All permanent positions.
I got about 10 first round interviews and 3-4 second round interviews and eventually 3 jobs over one weekend, and no job offers over the previous year.
I ended up with a job in Dublin, Ireland doing porting work (making the product work on different unix vendors boxs (boxen?)).
That is my 2 cent.
What do people suggest someone with 11 years experience should do?
In Short:.
Everyone tries to plan, but chance makes fools of our plans, look for the best next step. The next step is dictated by commercial realities, i.e. what jobs are currently available, check out http://www.dice.com/
Free/open source may help your CV/Resume, it is nice if your company contract allows work on Free/Open souce on your own time, even better if it is part of your work.
Network and look for cross functional opportunities, as there can only be one person who is best at something, and they are probably over specialised.
I guess that is 4 cent
Is Google laying down a good framework for mentoring?
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http://www.geocities.com/totierne/FreeTuition.htm
So far I have about 40 hits and 1 person in the program, and he knew me anyway, its hard to give away stuff these days!
I should join someone elses program rather than start my own. One student may be enough to keep my skills fresh, and give me a supervisory role. I will release any content we develop including but not limited to code, content that does not irritate my employer of course.
TFA:
From Economist.com:
Girl power in evolution
Single mothers are more likely to have daughters
(From The Economist print edition) Oct 21st 2004
[subscription required]
That article was from about 6 months ago, I suppose the answer is show us the data not the bias. Data can be sliced and diced in many ways.
The Economist (reporting another study)liked to think about why would evolution have it that way. Therin lies generalities and arguments with people who make a busines out of arguing about prejudice.
[I shall RTA in due course]
>I like the idea that Gnu/linux is centrally planned through Linus Torvalds, and gives everyone the tools to innovate pretty much however they would like.
I could have said Linux Torvalds refuses to plan at the high level, and at the low level we are forced to use Gnu/Linux, because it is the best set of tools for the masses.
I was never good at definative statements.
Hasta La Victoria Siempre, Ernesto Che Guevara
Free/OSS revolution pales in comparison to Cuban revolution, but cross fertilisation of ideas is a Good Thing.
'I went out drinking with Thomas Paine,
He saud that all revolutions are not the same'
-Billy Bragg
I like the idea that Gnu/linux is centrally planned through Linus Torvalds, and gives everyone the tools to innovate pretty much however they would like.
Microsoft supporting linux which does not directly compete with windows, is not that strange as Sun has a linux strategy (use solaris when it suits, use linux when it suits) when the products are much closer and much more in direct competition.
Maybe that is it, Microsoft wants to wipe out solaris, cheap at the price.
...Sun having a linux strategy.
Can people work out how much 'dissidence light' is allowed and get everyone line up at this frontier?
[A table giving what form of collectiveism is allowed could be maintained, anyone prepared to give it a try, what is 10% of the population ready and able to do which would not get them locked up/reprimanded, in various countries from A to Z including the USA and Venezuela.]
My own idea of dissidence light is to disseminate the IRA methods and procedures as part of a novel, giving people the capability to go beyond what I am prepared to do personally. This is of course illegal and may be even treason and sedition, [I have a British passport as well as an Irish one] if one takes things literally like I do (it is a geek thing, allegedly).
VÀCLAV HAVEL did it so much better in the Czech republic, gathering a dissident light community, through absurdist theatre, to build up a civil society that he thought was a necessary precursor to a freer democracy.
In Estonia there were lots of Choirs that travelled and disseminated information and news across the country before it became independant of the USSR.
It is interesting to not that mildly repressive regemes may stay in place because old people vote for the current state as they are afraid for their pensions, and it is the minority of young people who are on the streets, ie democracy of a kind is in place it is just that young people are outvoted.
My 2 cent..
http://www.swp.ie/ member
I should read before I submit:
Hey Ronnie Reagan I'm black and I'm pagan - Christy Moore
I just want to point out that from what little I have read and experienced, Aspergers only appear difficult to others when
1/things are being imposed on them or
2/when they make mistakes based on a
2.1/ misreading of the situation and
2.2/ a desire to try to get with the program by pointing out how they cannot.
That tortured sentance shows my clear grasped of the situation and inability to say things with any certainty. I hope it is because I know too much, but I fear it is because I know too little.
>Maybe I have Argumentative Skeptic Disorder.
Maybe you should work your issues out with other people with Argumentative Skeptic Disorder.
And learn from/share with them their best practices for dealing with normals, or are you afraid you are not Skeptic enough, a small fish in a small pond.
The internet is for linking up like minded people, it is boom time for the marginalised as the many minorities add up to more than the majority class.
Hey Ronnie Reagan I'm black and I'm pagan - Christ Moore
My story:
Mood disorder (manic depression/bipolar) which I thought described my life, but then I find that it is not prescriptive, now aspergers has been suggested, and whether I am a severe case or just pointing that way geek... who knows, it is nice to know there is another club for people who do not read body language.
In fact manic depression is often not so clear cut, in my case it is because i have several cases of mania/high/nervous breakdown, followed by 6 month low/depression. There is no genetic test AKAIK. My familty 5 out of a possible 6 have it.
If people want to label themselves to find peers, that is good, if other people label them to dismiss them or to medicate them, that is bad.
Mad and proud: http://www.madpride.org.uk/
I am offering http://www.geocities.com/totierne/FreeTuition.html . Aside from the code for dole aspects, how do novice programmers become productive OSS coders. I have 10 years commercial experience, I intend to get newbies started on mini projects and familier with tools (CVS, wiki, mailing lists, python/java/c++) and then get them connected to more established projects, what is the route/jump from newbie to productive submitter, and does the way need to be signposted?
Just 2 contradictory points, on the one hand:
1/I think free software should be run for developers and the real advantage of newbies is that they may become developers, one should restrict costly help (i.e. time) to newbies that are unlikely to become developers. If help can scale (for example answers on the web for lots of newbies can gain from) that should be encouraged.
On the other hand:
2/Vendor drivers for linux are encouraged by the volume of users, or are drivers mostly made available by developers, perhaps even internal vendor developers, so even here 1 still holds a lot of weight.
An elitest attitude, but only if software developers consider themselves elite, rather than just another specialty, or just another club. Do plumbers encourage people generally to do plumbing, do doctors encourage people generally to do medicine?
I suppose one should remember that clubs are run for the benefit of current members or contributors, helping new members who may not contribute much and may be more likely to leave the club depends on whether that eats up other resources.
Having a barrier to entry such as repartitioning ones hard drive after playing with live CDs may not be such a bad thing. An initial barrier to entry sorts out who are potential future contributors rather than those who will be more passive members of the linux club.
This can be regarded in defiance of the many eyes credo. I am just saying that encouraging or trying to over encourage general use of linux may not help linux, so tell people that options exist sure, even help them for a fee, but do not expect the masses to automatically become contributors, from new software to maintainers to bug reporters, to the free software pool.
[oops went over my 2 point limit, or was that 2 slightly contrary points followed by several fudges to make me believe I am not completely evil]
I am just wondering if my offer for free tuition http://www.geocities.com/totierne to help people become contributors is a step forward, maybe the real contributors will be self starting, and the ones that need help will always need help. Just talking against myself.
It all depends on context, the bigger picture.
Google_search_of school_computing_club
/dev/null, and I really believe in "learning by doing", and communities of one are hard to keep going!
Maybe I just need
Google_how_to_build_a_club
I feel I need one or two recruits to really get underway, otherwise the research is not directed, for academic research see
Declaration_of_Intent to start the ball rolling.
My intent: to coach a fee newbies with my experience, its an enthusiasm for experience swap basically... Any comments would be appreciated, recruits encouraged.
Not provokative enough, basically new hires are thin on the ground, so how do students get onto the free projects, and how do I get management experience, answers on an Electro Magnetic Pulse, build an atomic bomb in your back yard if necessary. Communism just has not been tried... yet. In Soviet Russia the government owned you.
Any reference to grooming and paedophilia is intentional.
Can you take this farther, speaking as someone who does not get body language and only unsubtle tones of voice, I revel in text.
See for reference Aspergers and the like.
I do not know if autistics gain by giving up on face to face communications all together, or going that direction, my guess is there are PhDs written on the subject and it is a slippery slope where the game is to play within the extremes.
I do not know but this subject interests me, I may even surf into it, the mess of detail would blunt my sword...
All spelling and grammar copyleft me.