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Google Launches Summer of Code

chrisd writes "We're very happy to launch the Summer of Code today, and I thought Slashdot readers would be interested and might even help us spread the word (We have a flyer, even). The program is designed to give computer science, and other, students a stipend ($4500) while they learn to release and create open source software. We're working with a variety of Open Source software foundations and organizations and we hope to sign up around 200 developers. We hope the end result will be more open source developers! I'll be pleased to answer questions in the comment stream about this program. Thanks!"

376 comments

  1. Wow! A Google story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On Slashdot! This never happens!

    1. Re:Wow! A Google story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  2. yay! by muszek · · Score: 1, Funny

    Cool, now I have the reason to release my echo 'Hello World'; script under GPL.

    1. Re:yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea!
      Have a link for svn repository to access and colab with your Hello World project?!

    2. Re:yay! by muszek · · Score: 1

      unfortunately, the project is finished and can't be improved in any way because it already completely fulfills all of it goals. sincerely, project leader

    3. Re:yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmmmmmmm
      if this project can't be improved, this is a GPL violation .....

    4. Re:yay! by muszek · · Score: 1

      I meant it may not be done better. It can be modified at will.

    5. Re:yay! by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Oh that's it! I'm going to branch off and improve your code! But... if you implement any security patches, I demand you don't release them until I've had a chance to implement them first. Okay?

    6. Re:yay! by markwalling · · Score: 1

      like fonts and other markup!

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    7. Re:yay! by FLEB · · Score: 1

      FORK!!!

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      Entertainment wants to be paid.
      You just want to be cheap.
    8. Re:yay! by argux · · Score: 1

      you dummy! you just leaked your source code! now some big corporation is going to patent it, you'll be sued for posting this incredibly valuable algorithm on a public forum

      silly silly...

    9. Re:yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet GNU Hello better than your hello world.

    10. Re:yay! by Dasch · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but Microsoft has already patented the use of the 'Hello World' string. Better luck next time.

    11. Re:yay! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Are you sure?

      How portable is your script? Does it run on every shell under the sun? What about DOS?

      Is your script internationalized? Is it already localized to all languages?

      Does your script gracefully handle different character encodings? Including EBCDIC?

      What about windowing environments? Can your script say "Hello World" using an X server? Or on the Mac GUI? On Windows? If so, does it support native look&feel for all systems (including automatic adaption of the L&F to GNOME and KDE on Linux)?

      You didn't think "Hello World" was a simple program to write, did you?

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    12. Re:yay! by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 1

      pfft. I have already improved on it.
      I call it the Hi,World program. It's shorter and runs faster than Hello,World .

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    13. Re:yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      V2.0 - I call it Hello Universe, it allows us to appeal to a larger demographic and sell more copies of the software to aliens (you know, just in case).

    14. Re:yay! by arkanes · · Score: 1
      http://directory.fsf.org/hello.html

      Hello, world is more complicated than it seems.

    15. Re:yay! by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 1

      Wow. *speechless*
      I first wanted to sAY: "yeah,well. sounds like that's from a schrink or a marketing manual" until I actually read everything.
      wow.

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  3. yawn... by russsell · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    another google story
    is there any way to filter these out?

    1. Re:yawn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is there any way to filter these out?

      Click anywhere in your browser window and press "Alt-F4". Then use your "legs" to go "outside" and enjoy "life" rather than reading this "crap".

    2. Re:yawn... by TERdON · · Score: 1

      apply to the program, so you can create anti-google-dot?

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    3. Re:yawn... by mclaincausey · · Score: 1

      Or, more importantly, is there any way to filter out the pointless mewling drivel of discontented /.ers? This sounds like a project for the Summer of Code!

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    4. Re:yawn... by KodeK · · Score: 1

      Yes, lol, check in your profile.

  4. Wary of title.... by deglr6328 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hopefully this venture will fare better than the Summer Of George.

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    1. Re:Wary of title.... by nocomment · · Score: 1

      It will certainly fare better than the summer of Sam.

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    2. Re:Wary of title.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we all know it's not the Summer of Linux. It's got to be the summer of something!

    3. Re:Wary of title.... by s20451 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hopefully this venture will fare better than the Summer Of George.

      I think it will. I mean, the summer is normally when I want to spend a lot of quality time indoors, in front of my computer, writing code, breathing recirculated air.

      Question for Chris: Are you guys supplying the vitamin D supplements, or do I have to pay for that myself?

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    4. Re:Wary of title.... by chrisd · · Score: 4, Funny
      We can't do everything, you know. I understand Salmon is a good source for Vitamin D, and it has less mercury than Tuna.

      Chris

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      Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
    5. Re:Wary of title.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know that the average fish today contains more mercury than a rectal thermometer?

      Would you eat a rectal thermometer? Answer me, damn you!

      (Uh, no.)

      Well, I would. (chomp) Ah, mercury. Sweetest of the transition metals.

    6. Re:Wary of title.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a black Stormy?

    7. Re:Wary of title.... by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Students can't afford such luxuries. :)

      *SJ Zero goes back to eating rice for the seventh week in a row

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    8. Re:Wary of title.... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      That's what the stipend is for. :-)

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    9. Re:Wary of title.... by ndogg · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought you said that Stallman is a good source of Vitamin D for a moment, and all I could think about was how disgusting all that hair would be to eat.

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    10. Re:Wary of title.... by Simarilius · · Score: 1

      Its called a laptop and a wireless connection. that way you can spend a lot of quality time outdoors, in front of your computer, writing code, breathing fresh air.

  5. chrisd, former slashdot editor, is involved by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1

    And it shows:

    Isn't it unusual for Open Source developers to be paid?
    No, it isn't unuusal at all.

    1. Re:chrisd, former slashdot editor, is involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is, however, unusual for Open Source developers to get LAID.

    2. Re:chrisd, former slashdot editor, is involved by sud_crow · · Score: 1

      crisd is not a slashdot editor, he is just the submitter, Zork is the editor.

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    3. Re:chrisd, former slashdot editor, is involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      crisd is not a slashdot editor, he is just the submitter, Zork is the editor.

      You obviously missed the word 'former'.

    4. Re:chrisd, former slashdot editor, is involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      good job dickface. what part of "former slashdot editor" don't you understand?

      Go titty fuck your mom or something.

  6. Why just students? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it's wonderful Google is doing something like this. Then again, I don't think Google has done much that could be considered wrong as of late. There are two good rules of business that so many modern industries seem to forget. 1) Make a good product, which so far Google seems to be doing well, and 2) Don't make it a hassle for your customers to do business with you. If only other tech companies followed those two simple rules, they probably would be faring much better. If the recording industry followed these rules, they would . . . well, that's not going to happen any time soon.

    The one question I have is this: Why just students? Sure, it's always good to help out students (especially with money), but there are a lot of people out there who are doing this stuff on their own. You don't have to be in school to be trying to learn coding or work in open source (some of us do it as a hobby). This really isn't meant to be a complaint, it's a serious question, and I'm sure there is a good answer out there I just don't happen to know what it is.

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    1. Re:Why just students? by chrisd · · Score: 4, Informative
      From the faq:

      Who is eligible?

      Students. Since the point of the program is to create new developers, we're looking to find developers around the world who have considered creating free and open source software but who have not yet taken the plunge. We felt that concentrating on the student population was a good place to focus these efforts.

      Not from the faq:

      Basically, You gotta start somewhere.

      Chris

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      Co-Editor, Open Sources
      Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
    2. Re:Why just students? by natrius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The one question I have is this: Why just students?

      If you open it up to everyone, it's harder to tell if the person will get the intended benefit out of it: education. Experienced coders could participate just for the money. The program isn't supposed to be mainly about the money, it's just there to get college students' eyes on developing open source software as an option.

    3. Re:Why just students? by tool462 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Money given as a stipend for students is likely tax deductible. Money given to a random Amateur Joe Programmer likely isn't.

    4. Re:Why just students? by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      "If only other tech companies followed those two simple rules, they probably would be faring much better."

      Sometimes the biggest hassle for your customers is having to pay for your products or services. It still baffles me that a company like Google could become profitable without a revenue stream. That is, until they popped up with their search appliances, Adwords, and so on. Keep in mind that many people want more bang for their buck - features and reducing hassle are often mutually exclusive.

    5. Re:Why just students? by capt.Hij · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How do you define a "student." I didn't see it in the FAQ. Do you have to be enrolled in an accredited program as a full time student? Can I take a class at the local community college and call myself a student?

    6. Re:Why just students? by publius_ovidius · · Score: 1

      Why students? As noted, the intent is to draw new programmers into the fold. However, people like me could just have fun milking the situation. If I had $4,500 dollars for every half-finished project on my hard-drive, I could have a blast. However, I've already cranked out a lot of open-source code (and tutorials and full-blown courses) and I'll continue to do so without this incentive.

    7. Re:Why just students? by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If whether the applicant is a student next semester depends on a scholarship that they may or may not get over the Summer, are they still eligible?

    8. Re:Why just students? by interiot · · Score: 1

      I can't be the only person who's several years out of college, has created proprietary software, but who hasn't yet taken the plunge into creating open-source software... And $4500 isn't chump change, even for working stiffs.

    9. Re:Why just students? by Paul+Slocum · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, just listen to Whitney:

      "I believe the children are our future
      Teach them well and let them lead the way
      Show them all the beauty they possess inside
      Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
      Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be"

    10. Re:Why just students? by coopaq · · Score: 1
      I think it's wonderful Google is doing something like this. Then again, I don't think Google has done much that could be considered wrong as of late.

      Good god! Such a high pedestal.

      When the time comes Google is going to go down faster than Michael Jackson and.... oh nevermind.

      Google I love you! Google! I want to have your babies! Gooooooogle!!!

    11. Re:Why just students? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course a company should be able to make money, and that's hard to do when the major services are provided for "free". So far, the best known (legitimate) way to make money from an otherwise "free" service is advertising.

      Again, Google is following the simple rule of Don't make it a hassle for your customers to do business with you. Google's advertisements are the best out there that I've seen. They don't try to jump out at you, they don't annoy you with flashing pictures or insipid audio, and a real attempt is made to make the advertisements relevant to the person viewing them.

      I know personally I've clicked on more of these non obtrusive, non abrasive and (mostly) relevant ads in Gmail in the last three months then all the total ads I've clicked on since I first started seeing them around 93/94. (Not saying much, since I've clicked on non-Google ads three times in the past decade, and Google ads four times, but I think you see my point).

      For those of you who pooh-paw what you see as "idol-worship" with Google, let me explain something: If a company is doing everything right, people are going to like that company. So far there is very little that Google has done that's "wrong". They have built a reputation, and continue to build a reputation of being "one of the good ones".

      If they stay that course, I think in the long run there's a company that's going to end up the first "blue chip" dot-com, lasting for decades. That doesn't mean they can do no wrong; if they start producing low quality products or pissing off their customers, they can start going down hill fast. It could be argued that this is what happened to Netscape in the late 90s when they were bought out. New management screwed with the employees, so many of the good ones quit. Their main product went way down hill, and now they're doing their best . . . as a company to recover from that (don't know if that's going to happen). It could happen to Google too, if they don't stay their current course.

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    12. Re:Why just students? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Google also pimped out their search engine to Yahoo!.

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    13. Re:Why just students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I prefer this Whitney quote:

      "Shit, that's some good crack, nigga!"

    14. Re:Why just students? by Deltaspectre · · Score: 0

      Think I would qualify if I'm just a high school STUDENT?

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    15. Re:Why just students? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      I'm 27 and have been easing into going back to school to finally get my degree. I wonder if that qualifies me. Was there an age limit? Did it say what level of student you should be? Highschool? Post-graduate?

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    16. Re:Why just students? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think you just answered the question.

      The point of this is to get people into the OSS fold who might otherwise just go down the all-proprietary path. A semi-commercial programmer who currently does some OSS programming doesn't need the help as much, they're already among the converted.

      Also, $4500 is a lot more money in relative terms to a college student than it is to someone who's gotten their first 'real' paycheck, so perhaps Google thinks they'll get more effort out of their money by buying from the cheap labor market that students effectively are.

      I've always thought that Google would be a great company to take the "Google Answers" concept of micro-payments paid in return for small tasks done on commission, to programming. Imagine instead of trolling the search engines and coming back with information, you had a site where people who had some annoying bug in an OSS program that they hated, or wanted some particular tweak or even a script written, could post a description of the change they desired along with a bid...then programmers could accept the task anonymously and get paid upon its completion. More complex tasks would go to more experienced programmers for a higher fee, and smaller ones to script kiddies just looking to make some pizza/beer bucks, according to market forces. You could even come up with a trust model for the programmers and the 'patrons' commissioning the code...and if you mandated that all the resultant code was GPLed, the benefit to the community might be huge.


      I think the demand for an open market for small coding projects like that is huge, and to my knowledge there's nothing that quite fits it currently.

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    17. Re:Why just students? by Hugo+Graffiti · · Score: 1
      The one question I have is this: Why just students?

      Because this is basically a clever recruitment exercise. From the mentoring FAQ: " What is the role of a mentoring organization? [...] Be able to tell us about the developer, how they worked with the group, if they should be invited back should we do another summer of code, etc.." ...and if they're any good Google will offer them a job when they finish college.

    18. Re:Why just students? by pmc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Again, Google is following the simple rule of Don't make it a hassle for your customers to do business with you. Google's advertisements are the best out there that I've seen. They don't try to jump out at you, they don't annoy you with flashing pictures or insipid audio, and a real attempt is made to make the advertisements relevant to the person viewing them.

      You appear to be under a misapprehension that you are a customer of google because you view their ads- you're not. You are their product. Their customers are the people that buy the ads.

    19. Re:Why just students? by matt+me · · Score: 0, Troll

      "we want to work with open source projects"
      By that I suspect our Google overloads may mean they want to steal free code and then patent blanket it and any other competition.

    20. Re:Why just students? by rjshields · · Score: 1
      Not from the faq: Basically, You gotta start somewhere.
      What if I lie about being a student? Will I have my free t-shirt revoked?
      --
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    21. Re:Why just students? by jshriver · · Score: 0

      I agree... I really wish I can go back this fall, but unless I can come up with another 3k in the next 3 months it's not going to happen. So this sounds like a nice deal, though a bit of catch-22.

    22. Re:Why just students? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Au contraire. Some companies like UPS think only the paying entity paying is their customer. Contrast this with FedEx where both the shipper and shippee are treated well.
      Google would do very well to make sure that both parties in the tranaction, the Ad buyer and the Ad viewer are happy. If the ad viewers go away, so do the ad buyers.
      Google could do worse than to emulate FedEx, even though UPS is more like the MicroSoft of the shipping business.

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    23. Re:Why just students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as an option to what, earning a living?

    24. Re:Why just students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are an employee, especially an IT employee in the US, it's about 100% likely that your current employer owns all of the programming that you do. You probably signed something on page 1,921 of your new hire package that says, "if you do it, we own it". Google is (apparently) smart enough to know that they don't want to mess with every employers non-compete, license and ownership of everything you do.

      And no, it probably doesn't matter if you do it at home or at work.

    25. Re:Why just students? by Lynnzu · · Score: 1

      I have seen some Open Source companies offer Bounties for features they want for their software. These are usually items that they do not have time or resouces to handle. They list the items and attach a dollar value for each one. This is open to anyone with the skills. You can google Software Bounty or start here http://www.opensourcexperts.com/bountylist.html . Slashdot covered this before and there are more links here http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/0 5/10/1915229&tid=156&tid=185&tid=131&tid=154&tid=4 &tid=106

    26. Re:Why just students? by Swamii · · Score: 1

      Chris,

      I'd like to contribute. I was a student last year, and will be going back next semester. Am I eligible?

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    27. Re:Why just students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be an optimist - assume you *are* going back to school. If something falls through later, such is life.

    28. Re:Why just students? by skubeedooo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No, adsense is a product, your attention/clickthrough is the outcome of this product.

      For example, the product of a company selling fishing rods is not fish (since fish grow all by themselves), it is actually fishing rods. Google does not make people, it makes products to 'catch' them (so to speak).

      You appear to be under the misapprehension that everything can be either categorized as either a product or a customer.

    29. Re:Why just students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't believe him. He's trying to turn us against IBM. Look at what happened to Anakin.

    30. Re:Why just students? by packeteer · · Score: 1

      Why does google have to give money to anyone BUT students? Did they promise to uphold some ideal to treat everoen fairly? They are out to make money and they decided in this particular project to only include student. You have no "right" to expect money from them if your not a student. They are aiming at college students becuase aiming at an older population of coders is a bad idea.

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  7. only 3 google stories today? by blue_adept · · Score: 1, Redundant

    what gives?

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  8. Re:ZzzZZZz by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought Slashdot readers would be interested WRONG!!

    Hold on a moment. They are offering Slashdotters money to program open source! How is that not right up the alley of "News for Nerds" and "Stuff that Matters?"

  9. Wouldn't this be sending the wrong signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I.e. that if you work hard and write really good software, you will be paid fairly well for your efforts?

  10. Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The day's not over, still plenty of time to add a new one, or even dupe a couple! I hear Slashdot just increased their index to 8 billion a few months ago.

  11. Re:Take your advertisement else where by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, it must suck to be you. Let me know how far a sad, cynical attidude ever gets you, ok?

  12. *and* a free t-shirt! by Japong · · Score: 4, Funny
    So here's the skinny: we'll give $4,500 to applicants who successfully work with a sponsoring organization or advisor to create innovative or useful open source software. We'll also get you a t-shirt to go along with the cash.

    Holy hell... a t-shirt? I mean the cash, well I know Google has a ton of that, but where on earth are they finding these T-shirts to spare!? I hope they technology behind these Tees is open sourced, and machine washable. Think of how much further I could take my undergrad degree if I had a free t-shirt...

    1. Re:*and* a free t-shirt! by Parinioa · · Score: 2, Funny

      I kinda hate to admit it, but it was the t-shirt that really got me interested

    2. Re:*and* a free t-shirt! by Rufus211 · · Score: 1
      but where on earth are they finding these T-shirts to spare!?


      I dunno, but there seems to be a cabinet that magically refills with tshirts about 3 times a week. It's great for the interns who hate laundry.
    3. Re:*and* a free t-shirt! by Duncan3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good thing for that T-shirt, becasue at 4500/summer, that's about $865/hr (assuming only 40hr/week for 13 weeks). After self-employment taxes, you're better off in a McJob.

      Of course, if you live in India or China, that's a fortune. But I'd say any US college student should be able to do MUCH better interning.

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    4. Re:*and* a free t-shirt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      that's about $865/hr (assuming only 40hr/week for 13 weeks). After self-employment taxes, you're better off in a McJob.

      Where do you live, and is the McDonalds hiring?

    5. Re:*and* a free t-shirt! by damiam · · Score: 1

      But you get to choose your own hours and work on a project of genuine interest to you. And it takes you less than 520 hours to complete a project (which is quite possible), then you're getting paid that much more per hour.

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    6. Re:*and* a free t-shirt! by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      There's also the possibility that, if your code is good, the organization will be impressed enough to hire you (at more than $8.65/hr). At the very least, it's something to put in your portfolio.

    7. Re:*and* a free t-shirt! by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I think you meant $8.65 an hour. At $865.00 an hour, I don't think they'd have any trouble signing folks up. :)

      As someone who just recently got out of the college-student labor pool, $8.65/hr is pretty decent. Where I worked, students only got paid $6.25/hr, and that was considered pretty decent for work during the year. Over the summer you can expect to make more, but I never got more than about $10-12, and the upper end was by doing some rather miserable jobs.

      Eight bucks an hour and the ability to work on your own schedule, on a project you actually enjoy, doing something interesting and perhaps even fun? That sounds like a damn fine way to spend a summer to me.

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      "Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
    8. Re:*and* a free t-shirt! by lb746 · · Score: 0

      That's $8.65 an hour, not $895.00 an hour... Biiiiggggg different.

      $8.65 isn't bad if your going to spend the summer in your room coding for free anyways. This projects not really ment for the people going out and looking for a real summer job. It's more or less a paying hobby for the summer.

    9. Re:*and* a free t-shirt! by ghoul · · Score: 1

      Dude I am a CS Grad student. I have a 20 hr RA for the summer. That is no way going to take up all my time. Also I am too broke to actually travel, go out and do other summery things so I guess I will spend the rest of my time doing my own coding projects. If releasing them later under Open source gets me a shot at some Google moolah so much the better. Google isnt really asking people to give up their summer jobs to code just dont sleep :)

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  13. Thanks Google! by jarich · · Score: 1
    Not everyone who reads and posts here is reflected by the recent trend of snivelling whiners (and nearly all the first round of posts). I'm not sure if I'm just getting old (a possibility) or if the quality of the comments is really as bad as I think it is.

    This is GREAT step forward for Google and I hope that many other companies will follow Google's lead. IBM? Sun?

    1. Re:Thanks Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut your face, troll.

    2. Re:Thanks Google! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No your absolutely right.

      Whether or not the whingers are getting louder, or I'm getting older the trolls are definitely beginning to drone on.
      If there was somewhere else to go I would be there.
      Google like everyone else makes mistakes (the cache thing...), but this initiative will hopefully open the eyes of at least a few students, and if we end up with another Linus or Bram type character, then the world will be a better place.

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    3. Re:Thanks Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, like Sun can afford $4500?

    4. Re:Thanks Google! by Khakionion · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Thanks Google! by bonehead · · Score: 1

      Whether or not the whingers are getting louder, or I'm getting older the trolls are definitely beginning to drone on.
      If there was somewhere else to go I would be there.


      Agreed. Maybe it really is an age thing.

      I've been around here a long time, but a lot of the comments have really started to grate on my nerves the past couple of years. Hell, I think I made a grand total of 4 posts in all of 2004.

      The problem is that there really isn't anyplace else as good for getting a quick synopsis of current IT related news.

      OK mods, go ahead and hammer me. My karma can take it. (oh, there's also the fact that I don't give 2 shits about my karma....)

    6. Re:Thanks Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      technocrat.net is your friend. Far more mature! (Run by Bruce Perens).

    7. Re:Thanks Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, Bruce.

    8. Re:Thanks Google! by Felonious+Ham · · Score: 1

      Sadly true (either about getting older or hating the haters). Occasionally there's some expert analysis, some guy who really knows what's going on and shines a bright light on the FA, but too many of the posts are "This is so crap!" or something that effect.

  14. You missed the important question: by lastchance_000 · · Score: 1

    Is there a t-shirt involved? Yes, participants will also receive a t-shirt for taking part. We will need your size after your application is accepted. The T-Shirt will not be shipped until you have completed your development work. This is how OSS devs get paid.

    1. Re:You missed the important question: by Draveed · · Score: 1

      Those t-shirts better be XXXL at least or they're useless.

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    2. Re:You missed the important question: by Pandora's+Vox · · Score: 1

      so YOU'RE why they never have small shirts for me. boo!

  15. which is it? by fiftyLou · · Score: 5, Funny



    When exactly is the application deadline?

    The "summer of code" page says June 24th. The pdf linked from there says June 14th.

    ('Course if those were reversed I could've made some smart assed comment about the extra 10 days accounting for Adobe's pdf reader to launch).

    1. Re:which is it? by chrisd · · Score: 4, Informative
      Crud. Thanks. It's the 14th. Updating the site now.

      Chris

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    2. Re:which is it? by khendron · · Score: 0

      And there's proof. Slashdot has a direct and immediate effect on the google.com site!

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    3. Re:which is it? by khendron · · Score: 1

      And there's proof. Slashdot has a direct and immediate effect on the google.com site!

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    4. Re:which is it? by Velocity44 · · Score: 1

      Update to the latest adobe reader. It's a ton faster.

    5. Re:which is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and also features a fucked up searching and ads.

    6. Re:which is it? by uvatbc · · Score: 1

      Anyone want to use this as a "millions of eyeballs" example? /. to the rescue!

  16. Re:FUCKING DAMNIT SLASHDOT: QUIT SUCKING OFF GOOGL by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    What an asshole. This is REAL and interesting news. Far better than the crapola "rumors" that are usually posted. Mod parent down for being a jackass.

  17. A little late... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It would have been a better idea to post this sooner. Many schools have already completed finals as of last week.

    Lacking a date on the flyer, I don't know if this is Google's fault or it just took a while to hit slashdot. Good idea, anyway.

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    1. Re:A little late... by dantheman82 · · Score: 1

      Well, I just graduated from a NYC metro college, and our Summer Session I (summer courses) started May 15. Most have already made plans for the summer, I think because it's pretty much started for a lot of people. Something within Mono would sound interesting to me, because I'm into C#.NET and stuff like that...

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    2. Re:A little late... by AArmadillo · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The universities here in Florida let out a month ago. Most students probably already have a summer commitment.

    3. Re:A little late... by Vann_v2 · · Score: 1

      I agree. Even for schools that are still in session (e.g., mine, the University of Chicago), most people make summer plans well before school ends. Metcalf scholarship deadlines, for example, already passed us by about a month ago. The same goes for things like REUs and other research fellowships.

      I would have seriously considered this, but have already committed to a mathematics REU. The application deadline for that was in early April, which is late for most REUs, and I had to make the decision about whether or not I would attend in early March!

    4. Re:A little late... by dotcher · · Score: 1

      And for those of us in the UK, we've still got a couple of weeks before exams even start - and a month until the end of term. If they're trying to organise something like this internationally, getting the timing right is hard.

    5. Re:A little late... by gstein · · Score: 1

      It is definitely international. You're more than welcome to submit a proposal, whether you live in the US, the UK, or the Ukraine.

  18. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  19. Open source by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Google just recently started giving lip service to open source, after some people noticed they had really given nothing back to the Movement given that their infrastructure is largely built on free software (or open source or whatever it's called this week).

    What's the point of this, really? Why is Google suddenly so interested in fostering open source? And why only students? More pliable to the idea of giving your work away?

    1. Re:Open source by damiam · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Dude, thousands of companies run their infrastructure on open source without open-sourcing their own apps or sponsoring open source development. Google has gone way beyond the call of duty here; we should be commending them for that.

      Google wants to encourage the development of open-source software partly out of the goodness of their hearts, partly as a PR tactic, and partly to take a stab at MS. This program is only for students because they want to encourage new developers to work on open-source projects. Also, they may get a tax writeoff or something.

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    2. Re:Open source by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      I'd say just by being a major corporation built on Free Software they're doing a service to the movement. When someone questions its viability I can say "Look at Google".

    3. Re:Open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that or you could see this as an insult.

      You could see this as a company taking free work and greedily using it for themselves. I don't understand why it's ok for Google to take other people's work (even if it is free and open source) and use it for their own profits and it's so wrong for Microsoft to invest in their OWN research and create software?

    4. Re:Open source by nacturation · · Score: 1

      What's the point of this, really? Why is Google suddenly so interested in fostering open source?

      I'm somewhat cynical, but my take on it is that Google benefits immensely already from open source. Now, Google could spend money and hire developers, pay them a salary and benefits, and have them write code for various projects and then open source them. However, why spend all that money? It has been shown that there are tons of coders willing to work for basically nothing at all. Google then gets to reap the benefits of that work, and all it costs them is $4500 for a few months.

      The multiplier effect is huge. Assuming that Google gets to approve of both the individuals and the projects they work on as a condition of receiving the money, Google is going to choose projects which are interesting to them. If those projects succeed, it could spawn dozens of developers who are willing to work on it for no pay at all. So if only 10% of those projects produce something of interest, it's the equivalent of $45,000 per project which likely isn't too far off from what they would pay for a single developer including wages, benefits, overhead, etc. But then that project lives on as other people pick up the codebase and work with it -- so Google benefits from this multiplier effect at no cost at all. Small upfront cost, long term benefits.

      And why only students? More pliable to the idea of giving your work away?

      Get 'em while they're young. As I said above, Google could go and hire a bunch of interns or full-time staff and pay them to develop various projects and hope that some work out. Or acquire a number of small startups which have alread written code and then open source that code. But they'd spend way more doing that than they would with this strategy. The old "follow the money" expression works very well here.

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    5. Re:Open source by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Dude, thousands of companies run their infrastructure on open source without open-sourcing their own apps or sponsoring open source development. Google has gone way beyond the call of duty here; we should be commending them for that.

      So Google gets the meat and they throw open source developers a few bones?

      Also, they may get a tax writeoff or something.

      They could also get a full tax writeoff by hiring developers to work on projects and open source the work they do. Employee salaries and overhead is always a 100% tax deduction. That would benefit open source even more, don't you think? So rather than getting $4500 for an entire summer's worth of work, assuming they meet all the goals to the satisfaction of the mentoring organization, they can pay liveable wages and actually *hire* developers. But why would they pay someone more than that per month when they can pay that little for a whole summer and still reap all the benefits in the end?

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    6. Re:Open source by FLEB · · Score: 1

      I find it a stretch to call companies that utilize FOSS exploiters. They aren't forcing the software writers to create the code, so the writers have appearantly already gotten whatever gratification they wanted to beforehand. It's licensed freely, so there's no "piracy", and no unnatural advantage. If Google can make a successful company using OSS as a resource, then so be it.

      As for Microsoft and other closed players, I have no real issue with closed software.

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    7. Re:Open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how does google get the meat? You should learn to read my friend. Look at the programs that are listed

      The Python Software Foundation (ideas)
      The Perl Foundation (submission guidelines & ideas)
      The Apache Software Foundation (ideas)
      Ubuntu Linux (ideas)
      The Mono Project (ideas)
      The Gnome Foundation (ideas)
      The Wine Project (ideas)
      The Subversion Project (ideas)
      Google

      Yes, I mean cause Google owns all of those foundations and organizations. Like Apache is so google and only google uses it. Same with Gnome and Wine. And Python, like who has ever used that but google. Oh and Ubunto is clearly owned and operated by google. lol, sorry man but I don't think this is a bad thing. I think google might be doing this to actually accomplish something that wil benifit the community. Hope all goes well.

    8. Re:Open source by kbrosnan · · Score: 1

      Darin Fisher - mozilla.org
      Ben Goodger - mozilla.org
      Chris DiBona - posted this article, is well known in Linux circles for his work on the award winning O'Reilly book Open Sources

      Three names that get paychecks directly from Google.

      I am sure that if someone had access to a google company directory one could find a score or three of names that are open source related.

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    9. Re:Open source by gstein · · Score: 1

      Assuming that Google gets to approve of both the individuals and the projects they work on as a condition of receiving the money, Google is going to choose projects which are interesting to them.

      Google is not choosing the projects, unless somebody requests us to be the sponsor. Proposals that are marked for (say) the Python Software Foundation will go to a group of people there for review and selection. Google has given them full autonomy in project/student selection.

      In addition, we have asked for the organizations to propose some ideas, in case the students need a little inspiration.

    10. Re:Open source by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Google is not choosing the projects, unless somebody requests us to be the sponsor. Proposals that are marked for (say) the Python Software Foundation will go to a group of people there for review and selection. Google has given them full autonomy in project/student selection.

      In that case, I'm much less cynical. Sounds like not too bad a thing, if the last sentence holds true. Mods, mod my original post to oblivion!

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    11. Re:Open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My god- why does every company that gives a million dollars immediately get blasted for not doing enough?

      They didn't have to do a thing- not a single thing. It's free, so you're free to do whatever the hell you want with it.

      When a corporation gives back, we might encourage more to do the same if we gave them positive feedback instead.

    12. Re:Open source by Fahrenheit+450 · · Score: 1

      My personal favorite is the Python Foundation's Explore Functional Programming. Getting paid for sitting around all summer and monkeying around with FP concepts sound great, as I already do it for free (though they probably want you to use Python... ugh!)

      Although I'm not so sure Functional Programming with Bananas, Lenses, Envelopes and Barbed Wire is such a good place to introduce FP to students... I've get nothing against the tupling lemma of Fokkinga, but jumping right into catamorphisms and hylomorphisms might cause a rush for the nearest exit...

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  20. I'm a college student by herrvinny · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And I am definitely going to enter, as soon as I have a suitable idea. To hell with the money (although it is nice, I'll probably buy a Xbox 360 + games with it), I'd do it just for the chance to have "Google Project Assistant/Implementor" on my resume. Although, a bigger list of organizations would be nice. I hope more open source organizations jump in.

    1. Re:I'm a college student by DanielJosphXhan · · Score: 1

      You'd better be trying to run Linux on the Xbox 360, traitor ;)

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    2. Re:I'm a college student by theblacksun · · Score: 1

      I'm with Daniel. Winning money from google for oss dev only to pump the money into MS seems... well it conjures to my mind many adjectives worse than "traitor."

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    3. Re:I'm a college student by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Winning money from google for oss dev only to pump the money into MS seems... well it conjures to my mind many adjectives worse than "traitor."

      To me, your post conjures words like "knee jerk slashdot speak" and "OMFG!!1!!one!!!1! teh pr0prietary s0ftwarez R teh sux0r!!!! j00 diss my ide0logical movem3nt!1!"

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    4. Re:I'm a college student by greenrd · · Score: 1
      All games consoles run proprietary software. And last I heard, Microsoft was bleeding money out of XBox sales. I mean, I'm as much of a free software zealot as RMS, but do you really expect people to forswear buying console games entirely to strike a blow for free software?

    5. Re:I'm a college student by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And last I heard, Microsoft was bleeding money out of XBox sales.
      They said games, not just an XBox console to use as a paperweight. They lose on the console and gain on the games, that's how it works.

      ...but do you really expect people to forswear buying console games entirely to strike a blow for free software?
      No, but they could at least not buy from our biggest adversary. If you're going to support proprietary systems then you may as well support those who aren't using your money to tell you that FLOSS sucks and is always inferior, especially if you've just completed working on the products their talking about.

  21. Direction by miyako · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This looks like a really interesting project. I've often wanted to get into open source development, but the most I've done is to submit a minor bugfix to a project. What seems nice about this project is that it gives some direction on how to get started. I think the idea of hooking a student up with experienced developers also adds to this direction. The problem I've found when trying to contribute to open source software is that few people seem willing to help you get started.
    I'm definitely thinking of applying, but why GNOME and the perl foundry but no KDE or Java Foundry? never been fond of Perl or GTK+ myself, and I don't know anything about Python or .NET so my options are kind of limited :(

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    1. Re:Direction by NickFortune · · Score: 2, Insightful
      why GNOME and the perl foundry but no KDE or Java Foundry?

      At a guess, google are building a corporate strategy around the first two technologies and would like these projects to yield results that they would find useful.

      Normally I dislike arguments of the form "it's their dollar so they can do what they like" but in this case, it doesn't seem to odious a restriction.

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    2. Re:Direction by chrisd · · Score: 5, Informative
      We welcome those groups, but we had a limited amount of time to corral everyone. They can still join in. This is why we posted the mentorship faq on the site.

      Man, the 2 minute posting restriction is killing me today.

      Chris

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    3. Re:Direction by miyako · · Score: 1

      I don't really find it odious that they would choose them over the others, and actually since I realized that with Apache being one of the groups, Jakarta is a perfectly good java group to go into, I have less to complain about.
      Still need to think of a good project though :(

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    4. Re:Direction by sweetooth · · Score: 1

      This is completely off topic but oh well.

      It would be really nice if there was no two minute posting restriction for high karma accounts. It is nice that there's no captcha for those user accounts with high karma. I really don't see why it would be bad to reduce the amount of time between posts for those accounts as well.

    5. Re:Direction by NickFortune · · Score: 1
      Yeah, sorry man. Late at night and I think I went into slashbot mode.

      I'll just go and write out one hundred times "I will always RTFA".

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    6. Re:Direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why do some get several months of warning
      and are on the page from the get go and others
      get *one* day warning?

      if it were equal, i would not complain, but some
      very high profile open source groups have just
      been ignored and others requested in person.

      rather concerned,
      is open source now an in crowd?
      americans only?
      Alex

  22. Re:ZzzZZZz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are offering Slashdotters money to program open source! How is that not right up the alley of "News for Nerds" and "Stuff that Matters?"

    You're right, it does involve sodomy after all...

  23. Just great by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Our parents had the "Summer of Love", where they all flocked to San Francisco etc. to do drugs and have sex, and all we get is this lousy "Summer of Code", where we get to DO WORK on our summer vacation?!?

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    1. Re:Just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our parents had the "Summer of Love", where they all flocked to San Francisco etc. to do drugs and have sex, and all we get is this lousy "Summer of Code", where we get to DO WORK on our summer vacation?!?

      Exactly!
      Fuck YOU Google! fuck you in your blue, red, yellow and green CORNHOLE!

    2. Re:Just great by thomasa · · Score: 1

      From that era: (before my time)

      Come gather 'round people
      Wherever you roam
      And admit that the waters
      Around you have grown
      And accept it that soon
      You'll be drenched to the bone.
      If your time to you
      Is worth savin'
      Then you better start swimmin'
      Or you'll sink like a stone
      For the times they are a-changin'.
      Bob Dylan

    3. Re:Just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually for us older coders the "Summer of Love" was a summer of coding. You really think Allen and Gates (or myself) spent their summers in SF doing sex and drugs? Geeks will always be geeks. We'd rather code than almost anything.

    4. Re:Just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, I know a lot of people who flock to your mom's bedroom to do drugs and have sex. And it's not just a summer thing, either.

    5. Re:Just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to have forgotten that your parents were having sex, doing drugs, and not getting paid. You'd be coding, learning and makin some money.

      Now stop thinking about your parents having sex.

    6. Re:Just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

  24. Blender by LetterRip · · Score: 1

    It would be great if people submit ideas for working on Blender http://www.blender3d.org/

    It is advancing at a breakneak pace already and already provides superb functionality, but more coders is always welcome,

    LetterRip

    1. Re:Blender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is advancing at a breakneak pace already and already provides superb functionality, but more coders is always welcome

      Ever hear "Too many cooks spoil the soup" ?

      Soulds like things are going well for Blender now. New coders not familiar with the code base will take time to become familiar with it and couild very well throw a monkey wrench into the works thus slowing the breakneck pace to a crawl.

  25. Google doesn't support Open Source by bosewicht · · Score: 0

    Isn't it funny that the apps that google owns requires a version of windows to run? How is google a supporter of open source when i use it, don't contribute to is, nor do they support open source OS's

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  26. Country Eligibility by Rac3r5 · · Score: 1

    Hi Chris, what are the restrictions as far as countries go. Can a Canadian student apply? *I wish I was a student right now*

    1. Re:Country Eligibility by gstein · · Score: 3, Informative

      Any student from any country.

      (except for those countries the US State Department forbids us from working with... the "terrorist" countries)

      So yeah... Canadians are welcome! :-)

    2. Re:Country Eligibility by Punto · · Score: 1

      speaking of 'any country', are there any considerations being made for people in countries where it's _not_ summer? I know "summer of code" is just a name, but the whole thing seems to be about using the free time to do something, and I see on the FAQ they might consider helping 'full time' students out.. what about people who don't actually have that free time (summer _just_ ended a couple of months ago ;)

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  27. Spectacular by spludge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is spectacular. I mean talk about giving back to the community. I wish that google would pay the students on a bi-weekly basis though. When I was a student I would have leaped at this opportunity, but the lack of a stream of cash would have made it extremely difficult to take.

    It is more of a motivator to give the cash in one lump sum at the end of the summer, and it reduces the possibility for fraud, but many students need cash to scrape by.

    Anyways, go google, I hope these 200 student developers do amazing things over this summer!

    1. Re:Spectacular by gstein · · Score: 2, Informative
      From the FAQ:
      Can I receive half the money half way through?

      There are some situations where we will be open to this, and only for full time students.

    2. Re:Spectacular by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      I wish that google would pay the students on a bi-weekly basis though. When I was a student I would have leaped at this opportunity, but the lack of a stream of cash would have made it extremely difficult to take.

      Couldn't you wring a loan out of your bank? I thought that most lenders were thrilled to give students credit. Especially if you have a letter of offer from Google in hand, saying that you will receive X dollars on Y date.

      Think of it as your first work assignment: Using Google products and services, locate a lender who will prevent you from starving over the course of your internship. :-)

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    3. Re:Spectacular by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      you get $500 up front. If you can't live 3 months off $500, you're not a programmer and you're definitely not a college student.

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    4. Re:Spectacular by mtenhagen · · Score: 1

      Cant live of $500?? My rent is over 500 euro, which I split with my girlfriend but then there are still taxes, food, gas, electricity, water, etc...

      Maybe if I skip the food cut my internet and phone I can make it.

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  28. Re:ZzzZZZz by StarWreck · · Score: 1
    I thought Slashdot readers would be interested WRONG!! BOOOOOOoooooOOooOOOring!
    Wow, Slashdotters wouldn't be interested in learning how to program and Slashdotters aren't interested in open source software and Slashdotters aren't interested in money?

    WOW, That really IS news to me! I thought Slashdotters liked all of the above.
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  29. Good Google - Bad Google by ndansmith · · Score: 1

    I hope that Google is tapping young brilliant minds for good and not evil.

    1. Re:Good Google - Bad Google by mjkjedi · · Score: 1

      That may depend on what the young brilliant minds come up with, yeah?

  30. Just College Students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if I want to apply and am in high school? Do I wait until I reach >18?

    1. Re:Just College Students? by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      The application form asks for your "school" and not your "college", so I think you're good to go. You can message chrisd to find out for sure, if you're interested. I don't think that your age is a limit, since even some college students are 16-17.

    2. Re:Just College Students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ChrisD actually prefers boys between the ages of 8-15. If you want more info, he's the guy with the hooded sweatshirt and sunglasses hanging around your school.

  31. Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know the record for the number of Google stores in a 24 hour span on slashdot by any chance?

  32. they're not profitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Along with Amazon, Red Hat, etc. Google is not a profitable company. When the life-long investment is exceeded by the life-long revenue they will be.

  33. who are they kidding? by quietpenguin · · Score: 1

    I already launched the Summer of Skot I blogged it first, so I win right?

  34. Simple: Money by DogDude · · Score: 1

    It's very simple. Students are simply cheap labor. Google is spending a tiny bit of cash with the hopes that they'll get some very, very cheap code. Most grown-ups (ie: non-students) simply can't afford to develop open source software unless they are independently wealthy.

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  35. Re:Slashdot becomes a shill for google by damiam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A shill for Google? If any other company were putting up close to a million dollars in bounty money for open-source development, it'd be huge news. Hell, Novell offered $25000 in GNOME bounties a year ago and we got at least two separate /. stories about it. This is exactly the sort of news for nerds that /. exists to report (as are, incidently, both of the other Google stories on the FP). Should /. just start rejecting all stories pertaining to Google, just because Google is working on a lot of cool stuff?

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  36. How gently and quietly... by mssing+an+i · · Score: 1

    The enemy slips into our beds.

    1. Re:How gently and quietly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't gentle or quiet slipping into your mom last night. Of course, I fucked her in the alley outside the McDonalds.... I suppose if it was my bed, I wouldn't be so rough. blood really stains the sheet.

  37. Watch your backs. by i_like_spam · · Score: 0, Troll

    Gates purchased the rights to QDOS for $50,000 and churned it into a multi-billion dollar business.

    Now... Google wants to give you a measely $4500 for a software product that may reap them millions or billions!

    1. Re:Watch your backs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...except that if you're doing work for google, you get to retain the copyright.

      Who owns the software I write?

      You or your mentoring organization must license your code under a license palatable to your mentoring organization. Some organizations will require you to assign copyright to them, but many will allow you to retain copyright. If Google is your sponsoring organization, then the answer is that you keep copyright to your code.

    2. Re:Watch your backs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA. If Google is your sponsoring company, you can put it under the GPL.

  38. Wait... by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

    So instead of hacking (in the machette sense) in perl all summer in an internship I could be writing code in a language of my choice for a project of my choice? (more or less). For money? You google people have to tell me about these things sooner.

    --
    Why not fork?
    1. Re:Wait... by Inverse+Icarus · · Score: 1

      You could always do both, you know.

      I'm a college student from RPI on co-op for the summer / fall, and I'm seriously considering this idea. As previously mentioned in another post, the resume fodder is worth more than the money ever could be.

      If you really enjoy a project idea, it won't feel like work when you're doing it. I really enjoy solving problems that I want to solve, and creating things I have a remote interest in.

      But maybe I'm just batshit insane.

    2. Re:Wait... by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      Oh I know, but after I come home I'm not in the mood to look at code anymore. Its kind of depressing. Besides, the project I've been working on on my free time doesn't appear to mesh with their suggestions.

      --
      Why not fork?
  39. High Schoolers? by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1

    I read through Google's participant FAQ, and I didn't see anything barring High School students from participating in the Summer of Code. It seems that as long as you're a Student of some sort, you are well versed in developing code, and have a listed mentor organization that will take you in, you are eligable!

    1. Re:High Schoolers? by swimin · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing, and I have the perfect idea for a project.

      I don't see the word college anywhere on the page. It looks good to me.

  40. Re:Slashdot becomes a shill for google by KingHippo2600 · · Score: 0

    The day aint over

    --
    I wasn't a fanboy when Sega was around, and by god, I'm not one now.
  41. Missing option by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    Where's "recoding slashdot's html and css"?

    1. Re:Missing option by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Technically, since slash is open source, then couldn't Taco etc become mentors for the next generation?

      Now theres a scary thought if I ever I had one.

      --
      liqbase :: faster than paper
  42. $4500? by cperciva · · Score: 1

    I might be interested in this -- well, except for the slight problem that I don't qualify as a student any more -- but do they really expect $4500 to attract much interest? Given that the $4500 is split between $500 for "startup costs" and a $4000 "reward" if the project is "successfully completed", Google is really asking people to work for two months for a chance at winning $4000 -- and we all know how few software projects actually complete on time, so there are quite significant odds of the participants not getting anything.

    I like the idea in principle, but I really don't think the details make sense.

    1. Re:$4500? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and the fact that you can't stop ego gratification with your quadrillionth hexadigit of pi rubbish (yeah, implementing BBP is such a huge challenge! OOOOH! BIG NUMBERS!!).

      And your hyperthreading vulnerability which you can't stop pimping and blowing out of all proportion, oooh, shiny!

      WOW YOU HAVE A DPHIL, how wonderful. Guess what? I have one too!

      We KNOW you're reasonably bright, you don't need to harp on in your perpetual insecurity just because mummy and daddy made you miss out on your teen years.

      Now go forth and bash Linux.

    2. Re:$4500? by Ride+Jib · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you read further into the details, the compensation is not determined on _completion_ of the project, but if your mentoring organization thinks you have contributed enough work to merit the reward.

    3. Re:$4500? by be-fan · · Score: 1

      $4500 for a student working for two months over the summer isn't that bad of a deal. That's like $13 bucks an hour, which is a lot more than you'd get working places where most college students work.

      --
      A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
    4. Re:$4500? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the student is really smart, he/she would outsource the coding to a devloper in India for 5 bucks an hour and pocket the rest.

    5. Re:$4500? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like $13 bucks an hour...

      I know inflation is bad, but where do you live that your bucks costs $13 each? Around here, my buck is worth exactly $1.

  43. Big Corps code dreams by js3 · · Score: 1

    Imagine, a big multi-billion dollar corporation spending almost no money for free open source code it can use to make even more money.

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    did you forget to take your meds?
    1. Re:Big Corps code dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      spending almost no money
      free...code

      get your story straight.

    2. Re:Big Corps code dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah yeah, i hate big corp as much as the next guy, but look, it's pretty much a win-win situation... students get cash, experience, acclaim, and most importantly of all, the education, and google gets "free" (actually about a $1 000 000 if they give the 4500 out to about 200 student devs) open source software.

      it should be noted though, that lot of this isn't "fix googles shit" bounties, it's totally open to allow students to develop whatever they want, regardless of the effect on google. I think they are just trying to stimulate the market a bit, and maybe find new employees :P

    3. Re:Big Corps code dreams by chrisbeach · · Score: 1

      Get over your anti-corporation hang-ups for a moment won't you?

  44. Suppose you have a brilliant idea by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You've even worked on it a bit during your comp.sci. classes, but it's not done, nor is it quite working.

    Where would you submit something like that?

    I ask because along with a friend, I have been working on what we believe to be a highly innovative application for a neural network, that - if we can get it working - you will definately love to have.

    Problem is two-fold:
    1) It's in the proof-of-concept stage, and our first attempt failed to even be a proof. We think this was due to crappy data to start with
    2) It's not something that fits naturally into any of the mentioned organizations. The closest is Apache, but that's purely because they have a ton of Java-applications already.

    The most "natural" organization for our idea, would probably be Google itself.

    So what should we do?

    --
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    1. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by chrisd · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Apply. Sounds cool. Put lots of details in the application.

      Chris

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      Co-Editor, Open Sources
      Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
    2. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      *smiles*

      Heh ... hadn't noticed Google on the Application page.

      Oh, a follow-up question, which might be a bit odd and snide.

      What we'd love to do is drop a fully functional program on the unsuspecting public like a bomb ... but that would mean secrecy is needed until it actually works (or if we're accepted as a stipend, until we're done working in the time period).

      Would that even be possible? Not talking about taking it under something other than likely LGPL (makes the most sense for us), just a "hush hush" approach rather than bragging left and right about this great cool project, then having it fizzle.

      And what happens if we're two people working on it rather than just one? Do we both apply? If it's accepted and works out, do we split the money?

      Well, more than one follow-up question actually :)

      --
      We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
    3. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you get $500 for startup costs and $4000 *if you complete successfully* - then just work on your own..

      if it's *that* good.. work on it over summer - then get google to buy you out. for a lot more than $4500

    4. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      We've thought about that ... I think.

      Anyway, my take is to make it an LGPL program. Makes the most sense if we're going Open Source and want it a bit more restrictive than BSD.

      To my mind anyway.

      --
      We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
    5. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      What we'd love to do is drop a fully functional program on the unsuspecting public like a bomb ... but that would mean secrecy is needed until it actually works (or if we're accepted as a stipend, until we're done working in the time period).

      Would that even be possible? Not talking about taking it under something other than likely LGPL (makes the most sense for us), just a "hush hush" approach rather than bragging left and right about this great cool project, then having it fizzle.


      This is absolutely possible. I recommend hyping it up in slashdot comments. Those fucks at Google didn't give dibona an email account (something about not having any gmail accounts left over), so he has to collect all correspondence on slashdot google posts.

      Fortunately this has not been a problem, so far.

      --
      Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
    6. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by FlynnMP3 · · Score: 1

      I don't get your angst. Google is actively engaging a very popular geek website, encouraging participation, answering questions in an informal manner, and trying an experiment that could for all intents and purposes, start a ground swell of support for the lone genius coders (and others) out there; and you have the gall to bitch and complain about things such as how Chris responds (or not in this case) to a followup question?

      I don't know what issues you got, but go seek professional help of some kind.

    7. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by dotcher · · Score: 1

      One warning - my university claims copyright and intellectual property rights on anything submitted to them for an assessment. Yours might do the same.

      If you've been working on this for a class project, you might need to get permission from your university/department to take the code away again.

      I've no idea how common this sort of restriction is, or if they're actually enforced - I just know that technically, I'm subject to one.

    8. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by jerometremblay · · Score: 1

      http://www.gnome.org/bounties/Features.html#438844 197

      Most unprecedented application
      Have an idea you think no one's ever had before? An innovative application that doesn't exist but that everyone needs? Something so cool it just has to be done?

      This bounty will be awarded to the authors of the most unprecedented application. Submissions will be judged by a panel appointed by the GNOME board of directors.

    9. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you missed his point. Poster before was talking about how secret he wanted to keep his project, and doing it on one of the most public places available.

    10. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I was in a similar situation. I wanted to drop a large smelly turd on your mom's tits. So I just paid her $5. I was scared that I wouldn't be able to perform, so I took a few exlax pills before our tryst.

      Hooboy, let me tell you, my shit exploded like a bomb all over her face (she was rimmholing me at the time).

    11. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      If the gnome board of directors are such experts on unprecedented and innovation, how do you explain gnome?

      --
      Do you even lift?

      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    12. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by jshriver · · Score: 0

      Does the person have to be a student right now? I'm hoping to go back this fall if I can get enough money. So I could use this for tuition. I need $3k for fulltime, so this sounds like a wonderful "scholarship" of sorts. -Joshua Shriver jshriver gmail com

    13. Re:Suppose you have a brilliant idea by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      Hello,

      Amazingly, you:

      (a) Converted my sarcasm to "angst."
      (b) Were confused about the target of my sarcasm.

      I don't know what issues you got, but go seek professional help of some kind.

      Luckily, your issues can be sorted out at your nearest high school reading comprehension center.

      --
      Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
  45. Re:Slashdot becomes a shill for google by Ninwa · · Score: 1

    If I had mod points they'd be yours. :]

  46. What the hell is /.'s problem? by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

    So what if this is the third Google post today - they're making news.

    This is a great idea and a huge help to open to source. You actually RTFA, they're working with a lot of other major open source programs on this - the work isn't going directly to google.

    It's basically giving students and internship with an open source foundation, something that doesn't seem like it was a huge option before.

    I know I'd go for it if I hadn't already found employment this summer.

    1. Re:What the hell is /.'s problem? by Boffy · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Google feature on Slashdot so much because they do in fact make so much news. They're easily the busiest tech company around at the moment, and one of the biggest projects (including Open source projects here, prolly next busiest is Gnome?). I enjoy reading all the Google news, mainly because it actually IS news.

  47. no ... a little early ..... by taniwha · · Score: 1

    for those of us in the southern hemisphere ..... hopefully Google will be having two 'summers of code' this year to encourage all comers ....

  48. Risky by NilObject · · Score: 1
    From TFA:
    When do I get paid?

    2 to 3 weeks after your mentoring organization indicates you have completed your development. Upon successful approval of your application, you will receive $500 for startup costs. Upon completion of your project and public posting of your source, your mentoring organization will determine if you have met the goals of your application. If so, you will receive a $4000 reward for successfully completing the project.

    The only problem for students like me who depend on summer jobs to pay for college is that the $4,500 isn't guaranteed. Of course, they don't want to be giving dead-beats the money, I understand. You get $500 up-front, which would cover one month of rent for me, and that's it. Then I'd have two months to live on nothing. They do, however, offer the following:
    Can I receive half the money half way through?

    There are some situations where we will be open to this, and only for full time students

    It's still risky though, because what if I don't manage to finish what I said I would do? I wouldn't flake out, of course, but I'd be worried that somehow the sponsor would think what I did was inadequate and then I'd be out of college for a year. Do the organizations get their $500 only if they "mentor" us well? I'm still thinking of applying, though. Would Google still pay me if I wasn't able to complete my goal but still showed a great deal of effort in the project?
  49. That's why they ask students! by DogDude · · Score: 2, Informative

    Duh! You just summarized why they hit up students for free code: They're cheap! $4500 to a college kid going to a state school that his parents paid for is a *mint*. That's heavy drugs for a semester, or tuition if they have to pay their own way. That's the whole point. That's why companies fire experienced workers and hire young students: they're cheap and naive. $4500 wouldn't get me to even comment an open source program, never mind develop one.

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    I don't respond to AC's.
  50. Great, but what about existing OSS developers? by Yaztromo · · Score: 1

    I think this is a very grand move by Google, so don't take this the wrong way, but what about trying to provide some money to people who are already coding Open Souce Software, and who do so purely for the love of it, and who could otherwise really use the money?

    There are a lot of "starving coders" out there who are working in Open Source. Indeed, in several of my projects I tend to find that some of the better developers are those who have lost their jobs, or who have had to take some other job, and who want to keep their coding skills fresh by working on a project, doing the type of coding they really want to do.

    These are the people I'd send money to first. They're already producing Open Source code, and for the vasst majority of them, nobody is lining up to throw money at them like this.

    Think about this: how many of these students who receive this stipend will wind up continuing to contribute to the Open Source community after they graduate? I'm willing to bet that the ones who are likely to willingly participate in an Open Source project and who have an aptitude for it are already doing so, and are already somewhat aware of what Open Source means, and how Open Source projects are administered and maintained. For the others, what guaranteee is it that the money is well spent? What if they get their money, fulfill the requirements of the award, and then never produce or contribute to an Open Source project again?

    I think Google's gesture is grand -- but maybe they should start rewarding some of the existing foot soldiers of Open Source before offering OSS "recruitment bonuses" to people who may never contribute anything useful to the OSS movement/codebase.

    Brad BARCLAY
    Lead Developer & Project Administrator,
    The jSyncManager Project (and several others).

    1. Re:Great, but what about existing OSS developers? by js3 · · Score: 1

      Well I believe if you wanted money you wouldn't be giving away the code for free, or maybe you should get into phone support. I heard that's where all the money is

      --
      did you forget to take your meds?
    2. Re:Great, but what about existing OSS developers? by gstein · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google supports a number of Open Source organizations. We've listed those on the code.google.com site. We hope to expand that list over time. It is a lot easier for us to support (on a continuing basis) a dozen organizations than hundreds of OSS programmers.

      The Summer of Code is about getting new developers interested in Open Source development. We're willing to risk that some students might not be long-term contributors, but there will be some that do!

    3. Re:Great, but what about existing OSS developers? by Yaztromo · · Score: 1
      Well I believe if you wanted money you wouldn't be giving away the code for free, or maybe you should get into phone support. I heard that's where all the money is

      Let's get a few things straight, okay?

      First off, I'm not asking Google to give me money. Not that I wouldn't take it if it were offered, but I think there are other more deserving OSS developers.

      Secondly, I am in fact being paid to do Open Source development, although this hasn't always been the case. I'm fortunate enough that the quality of my project allowed it to be selected to be the core part of a research project for a medical practice software development project, and I'm being paid well to be a consultant and developer.

      But I'm one of the rare lucky ones. There are lots of excellent Open Source Developers who toil in obscurity and get nothing. Yet, corporations like Google (and many, many others, not to mention an untold number of governments and individuals) often benefit from their work.

      My comments continue to stand. If Google wants to throw around some money to promote Open Source, helping out more starving developers and projects who already contribute to Open Source is a better place to start.

      Yaz.

  51. Please read the mentorship faq... by chrisd · · Score: 3, Informative
    We didn't choose actually, we had to round up the groups who wanted to do this. The ones you see were the most interested. We didn't turn any groups away that offered up what we needed to make the program successful. Don't read anything into that list.

    I'd love to add the KDE league.

    Chris

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    Co-Editor, Open Sources
    Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
  52. KDE by unixmaster · · Score: 1

    Where is it?

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    1. Re:KDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's on the way, really.

  53. How about us old farts... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Is this for the kids or can an old fart take part in the contest?

    I been going to school part-time for the last four years to learn programming while working the last seven years as a software tester. I got my A+, Network+, and MCP certifications, and I should have my Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA) at the end of summer. If I can do the hamster dance for the dean, and get my i's and t's taken care of on the paperwork, I should get my A.S. degree in computer programing (my second associate degree) at the end of the year.

    After scanning the contest page, I'm not sure if being an old fart would disqualify me or not. Then again, maybe I should spend my summer learning how to compromise Windows server as if they were hacked from the outside to ensure job security at my next job. Go figure.

    1. Re:How about us old farts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Us old farts will just have to spend the summer reminiscing about our Summer of Love, way back.

      Hey, at least we got some, whereas the likelihood of a Slashdotter getting any is pretty remote.

    2. Re:How about us old farts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean how about us old fats tubby?

    3. Re:How about us old farts... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I really do love my fans! :P

  54. What a Joke by tjstork · · Score: 1

    In 1975, a College Kid eventually earned 100 billion dollars making software to sell.

    In 1995, another College Kid eventually earned a billion dollars making software to sell.

    In 2005, the best a College Kid can hope for is $4500 bucks from Google.

    Sounds to me like open source is an excuse to rip developers off.

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    This is my sig.
    1. Re:What a Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ssshhh. This is the big unspoken secret in F/OSS circles. Don't tell a soul.

    2. Re:What a Joke by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      People who only care about the money won't apply. Why are people bitching about the money? If you don't like it, don't apply. There are other benefits. Maybe people even like supporting open source. What you all are forgetting is that Google is dishing out the cash, but not getting the product. They, too, are only getting 'other benefits'. Sounds on the level, to me.

    3. Re:What a Joke by gameboyhippo · · Score: 1
      I guess if you are into Computing for the cash then it would be a big ripoff. I've always enjoy computers for computing. I know I can make more by making a good load of ad-ware, but I'd rather make something people would appreciate and have fun with it.

      Because of people with the same feelings as I do, projects such as MythTV and GNU exist. I can do more with my computers now than when I was still running pirated Microsoft software. I also feel better about myself since I no longer depend on piracy to enjoy my computer.

      Rich folk don't understand, but us poor folk (that is, I make $10,000 a year at Wal-Mart) appreciate ideas of giving and getting freely. Who needs riches if everybody works together?

    4. Re:What a Joke by tjstork · · Score: 1

      In my book someone talented enough to make a project such as MythTV or anything GNU makes deserves to not have to work at Walmart. Ergo, they should get paid.

      What we really need is a programming language that is conducive to develop open source that is free as in open, but not as in beer. So an end user would pay for a program, the open source teams would get their money, but anyone could take a program and grow it.

      Part of the problem in this field is the herd mentality. Everyone jumps onto one technology just to be that one bandwagon. First it was IBM, now it is Microsoft. Very few people seem to appreciate diversity in software.

      Remember how much better the world was when there were a whole slew of C++ development system? There used to be Watcom, Borland, Microsoft, IBM Visual Age, and a few other middle tier players. Now Watcom and IBM are both out, Borland is so expensive as beyond the reach of the average developer and Microsoft is getting that way too. Everything can feel like more of the same.

      Remember when there was Borland Office, Lotus Smart Suite, and MS Office all competing? Now Office dominates, but I still to this day liked WordPro the best..

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    5. Re:What a Joke by Mant · · Score: 1

      Nothing stops a college kid writing great software, selling it and earning loads of cash (assuming it is good enough and they are lucky enough). Certainly not this project from Google.

    6. Re:What a Joke by dashersey · · Score: 1
      Actually, in 1975 the vast majority of collegs kids abandoned their computer science majors due to lack of career options ... or never entered in the first place.

      In 1995, everyone rushed the career field making it very likely your comp. sci or IT education was wasted and you'd bag groceries for a while waiting for an opening or to reinvent yourself.

      You're describing the exceptions, not the rule. In 2005, there's a vibrant community willing to invest time and money in the hope of germinating something better than anything those previous college kids got rich creating... now I call that progress!

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little passages; all alike.
  55. Writing to SPECIFICATIONS! YES!!!! by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Your mentoring organization will determine if you have met the goals of your application."

    Excellent idea to have them write a product specification, than have to MEET the spec to get paid.

  56. Yea but... by theconartist · · Score: 1

    What keeps non-students from using students they know to get money out of it and visa-versa?

  57. Slashdot holds shares in Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today Google googled the google and google googly google google. "Google google", googled Google-google, "and google the google on the google over the google". However, google the googly google on the google whereas the google on the google over the google, or google under the google? "Google is dah google", googled Google, "google google my google and shnizzle my nizzle." Whereas google the google at google, most googlers google google to google the googly google. Google google or google google google? This the google google google.

    In other news, it was revealed that Slashdot "editors" (an oxymoron?) have purchased shares of Google and are attempting to raise awareness of the company to increase the shareholder price. Once the price has reached a maximum value, the share holders will sell and make a tidy profit.

  58. Re:FUCKING DAMNIT SLASHDOT: QUIT SUCKING OFF GOOGL by s1amson · · Score: 1

    nice flame, how much did MS pay you for that one. sorry to inform you, but... that _is_ news. it'll help some kids complete their schooling. its not always easy to get enough aid to pay for it. ive several friends that had to drop out simply because they had run out of means to afford it, and though this might not pay for all of it, it sure would help them, and the target amount would seem alot more atainable.

  59. In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google's stock took off today, up 11.27 (4.24%) to 277.27.

  60. A positive reply... by Ride+Jib · · Score: 1

    I notice a lot of negative comments on this, thus far. I would like to say "Thanks" to Google, and all participating organizations. I just submitted my application to *hopefully* take part in this. I have always wanted to get into programming in the Open Source world, but never knew where to start. Having a "mentor" for the intimidated (like myself) is a great idea.

  61. Great project - no Mozilla? by sgarrity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is fantastic - nice work to those who hatch the idea and created this great project.

    I'm surprised to see that the Mozilla Foundation isn't on the list of participating organizations. Seems they'd be a good fit.

    Anyhow, bravo!

  62. Submitting a dissertation project by chrisbeach · · Score: 1

    Hey Chris,

    Great to hear about this project.

    I have just created a Firefox extension for my dissertation, and I'd like to make it open-source. The extension is a toolbar that spiders opinions on commercial websites from friends and friends-of-friends (a social network is built). It gives the user a trust rating for the site currently being browsed.

    Would this project qualify?

    Chris

    1. Re:Submitting a dissertation project by originaldexta · · Score: 1

      It is close to one of the bounties that gnome has up for the project.
      They actually wanted a live chat though

    2. Re:Submitting a dissertation project by chrisbeach · · Score: 1

      Do you mean the unprecedented application?

      I've already made my application to Google, suggesting the Mozilla Foundation (on the 'Other' option) as a possible supervisor -- if they get back to me maybe I'll suggest Gnome as an alternative.

  63. Re:FUCKING DAMNIT SLASHDOT: QUIT SUCKING OFF GOOGL by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    See that link on my post that says "Parent"?

    This is where you go "Oh." and apologize.

  64. Awesome! by Duncan3 · · Score: 1

    Google thought up a way to get people to work on the parts of open source noone actually wants to work on, but people need. They will write specs, then pay the people that do the work.

    It's called a job.

    But this is Google, so it's not just a job... oh wait, it is.

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    - Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
  65. Doesn't look so fun to me by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 1

    At first this seemed really awesome. However soon my optimism was squashed because first you must work on a project that has been listed by a sponsor. If you read through the lists these may be useful projects, but not exactly something you would have fun doing over the summer. Secondly existing open souce projects can't get funded, and I am not about to drop my existing project. Oh well.

    1. Re:Doesn't look so fun to me by gstein · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No no no...

      We didn't make this clear enough. Those are merely ideas. Come up with anything you want and write a proposal!

      Feel like adding some new, cool feature to an existing OSS project? Fine. Want to write a plugin for a project? Fine.

      It is limited only by your creativity. We asked the organizations to produce some lists to spur people's imaginations. Not to limit them to just those projects!

  66. Re:FUCKING DAMNIT SLASHDOT: QUIT SUCKING OFF GOOGL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Friendly fire isn't very friendly.

  67. *Summer* of code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of us live in the southern hemisphere, you insetsitive clods!

  68. Yet another Google hiring gimmick... by MAdMaxOr · · Score: 1

    Not that its a bad thing. Remember the Google Labs Aptitude Test? Or the billboard with the digits of e on it? This is more of the same. Its a way to screen out potential employees by motivation and skill in a real world environment. Think of it as a summer-long job interview at minimum-wage or less.

    It has side benefits, like helping out the OSS community (that is, if the students don't do negative work, drawing more of the mentors' time than the usefulness they contribute). But, first and foremost, its about screening potential employees.

  69. YOU SEE THAT COCK THAT BELONGS TO CHRISD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SUCK IT!

  70. When you're asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What did you do over your summer break?" what will your answer be? Answer A: I wrote code over summer for google.. gn gn gneeearr... Answer B: I hung out with friends over summer, went to the beach, got really drunk and had loads of sex with random groups of ladies... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lets see..

    1. Re:When you're asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What did you do during your summers while you were still in school?"

      Founder of large, profitable company with millions in the bank and women throwing themselves at his feet: "I wrote code over one summer for Google. Made contacts, got name recognition, when I graduated venture capital folks were pounding on my door. The rest, as they say, is history"

      Faceless code drone in cubicle 1139: "I hung out with friends over my summer breaks, went to the beach, got really drunk and loads of sex with random groups of ladies"

      hmmmm... let's see..

  71. or, Samuel L Jacksonized: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KDE, motherfucker! Do you code it?

  72. Brilliant move by QuantGuy · · Score: 1

    This may or may have not been Google's intention, but the net effect is defiant middle finder thrust in the general direction of places like Provo and Redmond.

    This program is remarkably cheap for Google compared to the publicity (read: mischief) it will cause. $4500 x 200 developers = less than a million dollars cash outlay. Compare that to the vein-in-forehead-throbbing reactions it will induce in Ballmer and Butthead. Priceless.

    Nice one.

    1. Re:Brilliant move by gstein · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is a million dollar cash outlay. Please don't forget that we're also donating money to the organizations that are helping out with the Summer of Code. $500 per project.

      If you like an organization and want to see a donation go their way, then select that org on your project proposal.

      Our main idea is to help out the students, but we also recognize that the OSS organizations will be helping us out, and we want to help them in return.

  73. There is much fear in you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The answer has been in front of you, and quick copy+paste away, on the left-justified bar:

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  74. Summer of... ? by Sinner · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who read that as "Google Launches Summer of Choad"?

    Guess I've been reading Urban Dictionary too much.

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  75. Free Me Cheap by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Pay me $4500 to publish all of Google's database search software on SourceForge!

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  76. Suggestions? by corpsiclex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I often find myself in the mood to tackle some problem (apart from work), but there are times when I just don't know what people need! It would be great if there were some sort of website where people could make requests to the open-source community. In the mean time, does anyone have any suggestions for participants in the Summer of Code?

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    1. Re:Suggestions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a perl script to print out apache log files? There aren't enough of them.

  77. My resume by _ZorKa_ · · Score: 1

    I would like to publically submit my resume to apply as one of your developers:

    The following software code is release under the GPL:

    $hello = 'hello';
    $world = 'world';

    echo $hello world;

    Nice huh? What do you think?

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    "With enough memory and hard drive space, anything in life is possible!"
    1. Re:My resume by chrisbeach · · Score: 1

      Sorry! You missed the $4500 because of a mere syntax error:

      echo $hello world

      should be:

      echo $hello . $world;

      (assuming you're writing your project in a PHP-like language, of course)

      Another useless piece of detective work by The Eternal Pedant

  78. Sounds like paid mercenaries by GMHobbit · · Score: 1
  79. Google by Ashmi · · Score: 1

    You are a googlewhack. i typed in "hermaphrodidic nutshell" and you were the only result =oD Cheers, ASHMI xxx

  80. Pretend it's a job. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    Don't work. Don't get paid. Life's a bitch like that.

  81. Gee, I dunno... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's early in the Summer of Code, and I'm still decompressing.

  82. Mozilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be cool if the Mozilla Foundation somehow got involved! What are some ideas that would work?

  83. Re:ZzzZZZz by netdur · · Score: 1

    if you note the list, there also ubuntu linux... it interesting, now I'm sure there no google os

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  84. Part-time project = OK, Full-time = look elsewhere by i_like_spam · · Score: 1

    According to this report, UPenn-Wharton students doing summer internships in Information Systems/Computer Science earned an average monthly salary of $4000.

    That's $12000 over the whole summer.

    So, unless the Google-paid project can be completed in 4 to 6 weeks, you'd be better off looking for a summer internship elsewhere.

    However, there is a tradeoff between money and freedom (less money/more freedom VS more money/less freedom).

  85. Nice to see... by indig0 · · Score: 1

    I applied to Google's summer internship program last year, along with 2000+ other people (for 70 positions). I imagine the competition for this program will be pretty stiff!

    However, a word of advice to Google (if you're out there): All the stupendous badasses I know already had summer internships confirmed by mid March of this year. In the future, it would be wise to have this program widely advertised much sooner. :-)

    1. Re:Nice to see... by gstein · · Score: 1

      Believe me, we would have loved to roll this thing out sooner. This is the first time we've tried something like this, so there was a lot to figure out and to get done. Before we knew it, it was the end of May :-(

      If it works out well, and we decide to do it again, then we will be much better prepared!

    2. Re:Nice to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not as stiff as my cock!

  86. Summer? But it's winter here! by DeborahArielPickett · · Score: 1

    I live in the southern hemisphere, you insensitive clods!

  87. How will the Applications be decided? by Hypharse · · Score: 1

    Normally applicants are decided based on experience, yet here it seems that experience could work against you since they want to introduce people to open source and not fund those that have already worked on it. It seems like the best application would be I have this great coding ability and desire but haven't done anything with it which is kind of contradictory. Am I wrong in this?

  88. Ironic that... by HerculesMO · · Score: 1

    With the money given to you by Google, you will buy Microsoft products with it.

    That's entertaining :D

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  89. Why just students?-Groupies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all are Google Groupies. I get the towel that the head of Google wiped his brow with.

  90. As a matter of fact, he's an EX... by LePrince · · Score: 2, Informative

    ChrisD used to be a editor for Slashdot before he left for Google.

  91. Re:as /. continues to struggle, google articles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol, you know whats funny about that? Its that if Google actually did buy out slashdot and all the related sister sites they would probably have less google stories on slashdot.

  92. That's funny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    That joke you just made.

    Really.

  93. This "contest" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is an advertisement--a very, very cheap one.

    1. Re:This "contest" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is a million dollars cheap?

  94. Re:which is it? [OT] by DJGreg · · Score: 1

    I didn't realize that startup time could be quantified as weight.

    No, you're right. Now that I've thought about it, you probably could weigh the time it takes Acrobat to start. (at least the 6.x series)

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  95. Re:Part-time project = OK, Full-time = look elsewh by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    Um, yeah, but you get a t-shirt, too.

  96. .. and for the rest of us by n3m6 · · Score: 1

    who is not a student anymore there is hackathon..

    http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=2005052 7223034

  97. Re:FUCKING DAMNIT SLASHDOT: QUIT SUCKING OFF GOOGL by Punboy · · Score: 1

    How about we mod your parent down for giving birth to you.

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  98. Frankly, I'm surprised... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    ...that there's so much discussion here! Especially considering that Google set up a Group for it anyway!

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  99. Some questions by bigberk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are graduate students considered eligible students? (e.g. summer between completed undergraduate degree and upcoming Master's program). Yes, I need money.

    Is a programmer eligible for this if they already have been developing open source software? In other words, they already have experience working with OSS projects and producing public code.

    1. Re:Some questions by chrisd · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yes on both.

      Chris

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      Open Source Program Manager, Google, Inc.
    2. Re:Some questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another quick question for you:

      I'm finishing university at the end of this academic year (ie in a few weeks), but not continuing into a masters or anything. Would I still be elligible?

    3. Re:Some questions by The+Woodworker · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't trust this "chrisd" guy. His credentials look a bit shaky.

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    4. Re:Some questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't trust this "chrisd" guy. His credentials look a bit shaky.

      Then here's a post you should see.

    5. Re:Some questions by Daniel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Darnit, I knew I'd regret finally finishing my thesis and graduating...

      Daniel

      --
      Hurry up and jump on the individualist bandwagon!
    6. Re:Some questions by PurplePhase · · Score: 1

      On the one hand: any student, whether they've worked in OSS or not can apply and learn about OSS.

      On the other: I haven't yet finished a college degree and while it's been nearly 10 years since I've attended a class, (and 7+ since C/++) I would like a more structured intro to OSS instead of the standard flailing around :)

      The mentorship sounds cool too! Hmmm....

      8-PP

    7. Re:Some questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Bullshit. Nobody is using anybody, and everybody is using everybody.

      Everyone who contributes to open source has their own adjenda. Private individual programmers may just love using the community software, business may just love the low price tag. Who can complain when everyone (open) wins?

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  100. Re:Slashdot becomes a shill for google by WinterpegCanuck · · Score: 2, Funny
    Yeah Google, slow down. You are upsetting the status quo. Waaaay to innovative.

    -Union Boss

  101. UK students? by simon2263 · · Score: 1

    Can students from UK (or to generalize - non-USA) universities participate? Would you still pay the equivalent amount in their home currency? Thanks Simon

    1. Re:UK students? by Draknek · · Score: 1

      From the FAQ: "we're looking to find developers around the world".

      There's also a section in the sign-up form to put your country.

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    2. Re:UK students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The OS community (and those who appreciate and respect it - like many on slashdot) seem to be pleased when there is some big name take-up on open source software.

      When you write software for pleasure, you like others to use it.

      When others make loads of money from it, the feeling is mixed.

  102. Hiring the brilliant? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    I assume this is a way for Google to scout out talent they might have otherwise missed? The money would be nice but what I'd really love is a job offer from Google. I haven't a PhD but I can still crank out some cool code and I have lots of experience. Will someone that can hire be looking at these projects? I've been trying to get their attention for a long time.

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  103. Amazing. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If Google really wanted to attract the most talented students, they needed to advertise this MUCH earlier. College has been out for a month in parts of the country, and over two weeks for others. The prime time college students agree to internships is FEBURARY through APRIL, and students have already committed their time to those internships. While people can do Summer of Code on the side, certainly, a lot of people may be bound by, say, "no moonlighting" or "non-compete" contracts now that might forbid them from joining the project of their choice. (Additionally, provisions could have been worked into the contract to allow for the summer of code, had they thought to do so before signing the contract.)

    I am a student, and I start work at Microsoft as an intern tomorrow. (Oh, quit your booing - they have a good internship program for learning CS.) While Summer of Code sounds wonderful for me, I feat the contract I've already signed with the Borg will prevent me from participating - had I known this was available, I may have just planned to work on this and a research project back on campus, or at least argued to make the MS contract more permissive of this type of work (assuming it was unrelated to my project).

    I mean, not to take anything away from this. But for this to reach its true potential, Summer 2006 should be sent to computer science departments in February 2006, not June 2006.

  104. From the Python Coding Project Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://wiki.python.org/moin/CodingProjectIdeas :
    -CleanupUrlLibProject
    -ProfileReplacementProje ct
    -MakeXmlrpclibAsynchronous
    -Virtual Girlfriend
    -..

  105. Summer is meant to be spent outdoors! by sfchris2005 · · Score: 1

    While you're young, get outside and enjoy the weather! You have plenty of time later on to stay cooped up in an office coding wishing you were young!

  106. Hi we're not the center of the world by neoThoth · · Score: 1

    and $4500 stretches out to something like 10 years of living expenses for a Nigerian house. Or maybe 1 year out in India. You get the idea. I checked the rules and it says "we're looking to find developers around the world". Not just the US.
    I wonder how long $4500 would last you in Brazil or Argentina?

  107. most important! by raffe · · Score: 1

    From the faq:

    Is there a t-shirt involved?

    Yes, participants will also receive a t-shirt for taking part. We will need your size after your application is accepted. The T-Shirt will not be shipped until you have completed your development work.

  108. Who is not eligible? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    1. Google employees, interns, contractors, family members, roommates, or citizens from the countries on the US State Department list of state sponsors of terrorism, which we are bound by law from engaging in commerce with.

    I haven't seen that list recently, but presumably it counts me out since I live in England and we illigally invaded Iraq a couple of years ago ... can someone remind me of the name of the other big country that was involved ?

  109. I don't understand... by appleprophet · · Score: 2

    They say that they are doing this to help teach students, but all of their projects require many years of experience! How is an inexperienced college programmer meant to implement a bluetooth driver in Ubunto Linux, for example.

  110. Re:which is it? [OT] by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    I think the standard method is to sum the forces produced by the repeated pounding of one's head against the keyboard. The standard for calibration is Mac OS 8 on a Classic II.

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  111. Whoop-de-doo by houghi · · Score: 1

    It was about time they gave something back to the OSS comunity from with they took the sourcecode and gave nothing back but a product they make money on.

    Yes, I understand that that is according to the GPL, but giving that little back over the millios they made? To me it looks like an inderectly payed advertisement on /.

    (Oh boy. I am saying something against Google. Negative mods will be mine)

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    1. Re:Whoop-de-doo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you suggesting that Open Source code should have strings attached? That you can only use it if you give back?

      What about Mom and Dad living off in Kansas, using Firefox? Are they supposed to donate to the Mozilla Foundation?

      How about your aunt using OpenOffice? Is she supposed to cut a check to Sun? Or, heaven forbid... offer to host a mirror for OpenOffice? Oh! No! Wait! Is your aunt supposed to provide patches for OpenOffice? Is that "giving back" enough?

      "But they aren't making money off of it!" you might wail. Ooooooh. So now you're partitioning who can use the software freely, and who must pay? Oh, sorry. Not "pay", but "give back". Of course, I'm sure you're well aware of the Open Source Definition and/or the DFSG? That you aren't allowed to partition?

      Damn. I'm sorry. I guess that I'm just ruining your perfectly bitchy little world. Complain complain.

      I know a lot of Open Source coders who simply want people to use their stuff. And they don't need anything back. Simply the pride of having their software used is enough.

      You? Forget altruism. You want something back. That's no better than building proprietary code.

  112. Differences by taskforce · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This really highlights the differences between MS and Google. A while ago you could sign an exclusive deal with Microsoft to liscence some of their unused tech projects which they figured were too expensive/superflous to work on. Now Google is paying YOU to work on software which is free for everyone.

    I was gonna try and fit a Soviet Russia joke in there but I felt it would detract from my post.

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    1. Re:Differences by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Here's another corporate example: AT&T spent their R&D money inventing cool stuff like transistors and unix. And gave it away. Look what happened to them.

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      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

  113. Re:Slashdot becomes a shill for google by tobybuk · · Score: 1

    Or we could just call it cheap PR/Advertising?

  114. Microsoft 404 error? by geordieboozer · · Score: 1

    When I go to http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html I get the microsoft IIS 404 error "this page cannot be found..." etc.

    Any other incorrect URL at code.google.com goes to the google specific 404 error.

    Anyone else notice this?

    1. Re:Microsoft 404 error? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nowadays we often _have_ to be "mere subcontractors" because of the ever looming threat of software patents. If the commission wants us to be more independent then create the legal framework to allow and and stop pushing for software patents.

      I don't know who in the EC wrote the directive but it certainly does NOT encourage open source developers to become more indepentent. It scares developers into only developing under the protection of their feudal lord (ie, a large company who can afford and is interested in wasting money on patents and patent litigation)

  115. Oh, yay.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was already contributing to open source projects before the summer even began, so uh.. Where's my money?

  116. ideas? by pocopoco · · Score: 1

    Anyone have any ideas for projects for this? The FAQ mentions they have funds for 200 students and yet the organization pages have far less projects than that.

    Good chance to volunteer some ideas and maybe get someone to implement them for you in an OSS manner.

  117. Is this really for open source?? by The+Woodworker · · Score: 1

    The program is designed to give computer science, and other, students a stipend ($4500) while they learn to release and create open source software.

    No, I'm afraid you have it all wrong. Releasing and then creating is how closed-source companies work, not open-source. And no, I'm going to take the high road and not provide 50 vaporware links.

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  118. Well, I applied by Odocoileus · · Score: 1

    Maybe I didn't put enough details in, oh well, the force will be with me, and with you as well.

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  119. Re:FUCKING DAMNIT SLASHDOT: QUIT SUCKING OFF GOOGL by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    Why? Because I got some disrepectful asshole modded into oblivion? Do you LIKE trolls or what? What's with the sudden groundswell support for the scum of the earth? This article is REAL news worth REAL attention. Not some Google-lovefest as claimed. You people can be such jerks.

  120. Making this self-referential ... how about Slash? by Wybaar · · Score: 1

    Have you contacted the Slash admins about the 78 open bugs and 171 feature requests they have open on their SourceForge page? It would be nice for a project covered on Slashdot to fix bugs or add features to Slashdot.

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  121. question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what sort of developers are you looking for. I am a first year computer science student so I qualify, however I have no experience of working on a large project, my coding skills are pretty basic and I only know a few languages. Could I still apply or are you looking for more experienced people than me?

  122. if i brown nose enough, will google hire me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it amazing to watch all of the well thought out ass-kissing posts from people who know a Google employee is reading this thread?

    Ooh! Oooh! If I brown nose hard enough maybe he'll notice me and I will have a contact inside Google, and then one day I'll be able to ditch my current job and WORK AT GOOGLE!

    Because Google is the BESTEST EVER. It's like the dot.com mania is back, except it's just one company instead of hundreds. All my friends who laughed at me when I tried to get rich quick with dot.coms but failed, well, I'll show them! I'll get rich with Google!

    1. Re:if i brown nose enough, will google hire me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen.

  123. Sounds cool... by Otik2 · · Score: 1

    Wow, this sounds really cool. If only I were a better programmer and better at coming up with ideas for projects....

    Time to browse around looking for good ideas!

    1. Re:Sounds cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, you expect me to call Jesus a liar?

      ps - funny, not troll.

  124. Speeding up Acrobat: The lowdown by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 1

    Look here for Acrobat load speedup tips. Or, um, Google it ;)

    Disclaimer: I was motivated to find this for my Windows work machine as OS X's Preview.app loads PDF's like nobody's business.

    1. Re:Speeding up Acrobat: The lowdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Openoffice was only opened up after KOffice had started. I think without OOo linux office suites would actually be in a better place - koffice is cleaner, less bloated, and better documented, and if (big if, I know, but still) all the effort that went into OOo went into it instead we would see more returns.

  125. Brilliant! by solomonrex · · Score: 1

    You'd think someone smart enough to work at Google would have thought of a second account! ;)

    1. Re:Brilliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The open source community today [is a] subcontractor of American multinationals."

      To be fair, although the multinationals do have a lot to thank the OSS community for, I think the OSS community has a lot to thank the multinationals for in return. Take Open Office, where would that project be without Sun buying StarDivision in 1999 and open sourcing StarOffice 5.2 in 2000?

      Personally I feel that the current relationship is symbiotic and works well. Sure in the future the OSS community should probably become less reliant on the multinationals, as long as they don't bite the hand that's fed them.

  126. Re:Slashdot becomes a shill for google by Momoru · · Score: 1

    They are not just spending the money to see open source innovation....its basically just another way for them to recruit students with good programming ability. Why else do you think its only available to students? This is really just a fancy recruitment drive with open source as an excuse to keep the "do no evil" flag flying.

  127. It was a nice try by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was a nice try, but you still can't slashdot google.

  128. Free Tuition, I am mentoring people. by totierne · · Score: 1

    Is Google laying down a good framework for mentoring?

    http://www.geocities.com/totierne/FreeTuition.html
    So far I have about 40 hits and 1 person in the program, and he knew me anyway, its hard to give away stuff these days!

    I should join someone elses program rather than start my own. One student may be enough to keep my skills fresh, and give me a supervisory role. I will release any content we develop including but not limited to code, content that does not irritate my employer of course.

  129. New to OSD by optikshell · · Score: 1

    I'm a CS student... and have been interested in doing some open source work. This seems like a good chance for me to get started. I'm a little apprehensive because I've never done any open source work. Is this a good thing for me to get STARTED with... or should I start somewhere else first. I guess I'm just worried about biting off more than I can chew and disappointing some people.

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  130. Apache is in there by steve_l · · Score: 1

    The apache projects, home to plenty much java stuff, are mentors, and there is room to add more.

    I think they were just in a rush to get stuff out, and didnt have time to approach that many orgs (and/or wanted to limit leaks)

  131. It must happen on sourceforge?????? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it doesn't exist yet. What do you mean it must happen on sourceforge? Do we have to open a project page, and then every *when* should be upload the CVS? Can we use sourceforge *only* for the bug tracker?

    And if we don't have a good internet connection?
    Can't we develop it in our house and put only the MILESTONES on sourceforge?

    A strange term and condition indeed!

  132. Actually they are spending over a million by Noishe · · Score: 1

    You've got 4500 dollars to each student, plus 500 dollars to each sponser, and 200 accepted applicants, (4500 + 500) * 200 = 1,000,000

    Then you add the cost of implementing the idea in whatever way google's business model works, and you get 1 mil plus a bit.

  133. Why NOT "Terrorism Countries" students? by rodny19 · · Score: 1

    I live in Cuba and I'am a Computer Science Student. Recently in Slashdot, you see a notice about the cuban emigration to Free Software.The Terorism adjetive to Cuba it's only a political problem between Bush and Castro.Bush didn't have proves that Cuba its a Terrorism Country. We have the rigth to development and for this reason, I thought we should participate.

    1. Re:Why NOT "Terrorism Countries" students? by yoanis_gil · · Score: 1

      Yes you're absolutely right. It's not my problem that my country and the U.S goverment keep and useless and ridiculous political fight. We have the right to participate in the Summer Code.

    2. Re:Why NOT "Terrorism Countries" students? by ultramrw21 · · Score: 1

      you say you have the "right" to participate in this program. Sadly, you do not. Google has no control of this. Its a shame that many programmers will not have this opportunity just because the american goverment doesnt get along with thiers.

  134. Wine Resources by vinn · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Wine project has put together a list of resources to help someone thinking about this figure out a project. You might find the following helpful:

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  135. Whha by ciroknight · · Score: 1

    5k is 5k. It pays bills. It does work. And who better to give the stipend to than College kids, who you can then later interview to work at your organization, and they've been bought into other organizations as well.

    Personally, I'm hoping to get to work with GNOME, and with systems integration in my own area. Gotta love Google.

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  136. High School Students? by big+daddy+kane · · Score: 1

    Is this program for college students only or can high school students participate as well?

    1. Re:High School Students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But aren't they also helping Open Source by increasing it's popularity? They are huge companies that carry a lot of weight, and they can get people to adopt it who wouldn't have thought to before. Which can bring in more developers through increased recognition of the movement.

  137. Re:Making this self-referential ... how about Slas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it boils down to "code for food, shelter, amusement"... Those open source programmers, helpers do it to earn a living, doing what they like to do, and in return get money, which allows them to live where they want to. The return for multi's is working software done by motivated workers.
    The side effect is that the code is also usable by third parties, even competitors (remember who ships samba with their unix products, or who ships linux with their hardware).

  138. Re:FUCKING DAMNIT SLASHDOT: QUIT SUCKING OFF GOOGL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely! Open source software is not about social change or politics or multinationals or even business. It's about scratching an itch and sharing the result. Huge companies like IBM or 15 year-old kids in Mexico can both do this, and have the same access to the tools of the trade. It's the ultimate fair playing field, and everyone gets something good out of it.

  139. Re:FUCKING DAMNIT SLASHDOT: QUIT SUCKING OFF GOOGL by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    Okkkaaaayyy... so what does ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH A GUY CALLING SLASHDOT A BUNCH OF GOOGLE COCK SUCKERS? I asked that he be modded down and he was. AS I SAID (time and fucking time again), THIS IS REAL AND IMPORTANT NEWS. So will everyone (yourself included) stop being an asshole and PAY FUCKING ATTENTION!

  140. There's a captcha?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuff said.

  141. Re:FUCKING DAMNIT SLASHDOT: QUIT SUCKING OFF GOOGL by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    Wait. I think I did it. I misunderstood your post, didn't I? Sorry about that. With so many people (willfully?) misunderstanding my posts, I'm heavily on the defensive. Sorry about that.

  142. I'd rather see Documentation than Code by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    have you read some of that stuff?

    almost as bad as MSFT ...

    but cool that this is happening.

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  143. How many are doing this? by ultramrw21 · · Score: 1

    How many slashdotters are getting into this program? I have programmed in visual basic, C, C++, and Java. Iv even programmed two robots that can run autonomously. However, I have never ventured into the world of open source programming. Is this project newb-friendly or is it for people with more open source experience?

  144. Re:Slashdot becomes a shill for google by gabebear · · Score: 1

    This is really just a fancy recruitment drive with open source as an excuse to keep the "do no evil" flag flying.

    so?

    If Google didn't have anything to gain from this I'd be very worried.

  145. Riiiiiiiight... by v_1matst · · Score: 1

    Yeah, you guys go ahead and code all summer... I'll be outside...