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Maybe your Roomba is getting rebellious because you don't feed him enough. William Smythe always feeds his. He also believes we need to extend human rights to robots.
Reading this whole thread, I see that I have become way too emotional to argue rationally, and it is turning into a flame war. If I have caused offense, I am sorry, but heated debate does that.
To me, DRM is a direct violation of my personal property rights. I will never accept it, not in an infinity of eternities. If I buy a CD, it is my personal property. I will listen to it on the device I choose. I will let freinds listen to it as well if they want to. I will use it as a drink coaster if that amuses me. I will resell it at disc-go-round if I want to. These things are my right because a disc I bought is my personal property!
Your rights should be to do whatever you please. You bought the disc, it is now your personal property. Listen to it, Copy it to an MP3 player, let a freind listen to find out if they like it, use it for a drink coaster, resell it at disc-go-round. Whatever amuses you. The industry doesn't want you to let anyone else listen, and wants you only to be able to listen to it on the player of their choice. This twists and contorts the very concept of property into something I don't recognize.
I don't have to pay to listen to the radio, and there are also free concerts all the time. I will, however, pay for music if I like it, and the price is right. What you need to remember is that payment is not a debt I owe you simply because I heard a note of music. Patronage is a privelage that must be earned. If you think payment is a debt you are owed simply because you made some music, you are engaging in wishful thinking. I suggest that you wish in one hand, shit in the other, and see which gets full first.
Plan 9 From Outer Space is on the list at number 76, and Glen or Glenda is number 63. That is two Ed Wood movies. The IMDB people probably haven't even seen Bride of the Monster, Orgy of the Dead, or any of the other Wood flicks, or they would be on the list, too.
In 1984, the government of Oceania did not care much about the Proles, and would have ignored the homeless as just more Proles. They only tracked party members. The neocons are worse than Big Brother. They want to track everybody! How are they going to track the homeless who frequently won't know their Social Security Number, if the even have one. Will they embed them with RFID chips?
Will they use bar code tattoos? Scary stuff!
Funny that you mentioned "new" Coke. Did you notice that they changed the look of the cans and bottles again? They have quietly brought back "new" Coke.
IMDB readers rated Gigli as the worst film of all time. Even Ed Wood movies don't suck nearly as bad. Word-of-mouth whether spoken, or through text messaging has always been the most influential form of review. If banning PDAs and cellphones from theatres is the MPAA's plan now, it won't work. The few who actually pay to see terrible movies will still warn us off as soon as they leave.
Not only do I vote, but I was an active volunteer for Lois Combs-Weinberg for U.S. Senate. We tried hard to oust legalized bribery's best friend in Washington, Mitch McConnell, but just couldn't compete with his massive war chest. All the same, the fight was worth fighting, and I will do it again in 2008.
Now to DRM. It will always be cracked. It is an exercise in futility that will never stop counterfeiters, but will always be a pain in the ass to legitimate customers, just as it was for computer software in the 1980s. Did you ever have to fart around with one of those code wheels before you could play a game you had paid good money for? Did you then go get a cracked copy from a hacker friend, and throw away the damn code wheel, and never buy software from that publisher again? Customers should be wooed, not presumed to be thieves. Any business that treats customers like thieves deserves to go bust, as many software companies did in the 1980s.
As for a pay for play system, that is exactly what the labels want, and some artists seem to agree. It will never happen.
As far as buying music, I used to do it all the time. In the eighties, I bought hundreds of LPs, cassettes and CDs, and attended many concerts, but in that era the industry still understood that I was a customer to be wooed, not a debtor who owed them something. Bullying, threatening, and suing potential customers is not how you win friends and influence people.
The industry, and some artists need to understand that no one owes them a debt simply because they exist. I can pick up a guitar, and play it, but that doesn't mean anyone who hears it now owes me a debt. It doesn't work that way, and never will.
So, the Russkies want to build a plant on Mars? What makes them think the Zhti Ti Kofft will tolerate that. They hate power plants. After all, they took out ours.
"Promote or perish, I believe is the saying, and nowhere is it more true than the music business, where public image is everything."
Very true. Simply allowing file trading would be a much cheaper form of promotion then giving payola to an independent promoter, so he can give that payola(minus what he keeps) to radio stations. If people like the music, they will go buy a CD, or in some cases, a LP or cassette. People like to collect tangible things, but only the ones they like, and only when the price isn't a rip off.
"Personally, I would like to see a user rather than hardware based DRM system. Huh? Well, Fred buys a CD. Fred then rips Fred's CD to MP3 on Fred's computer so he can transfer it to Fred's iPod. I've no problem with that, nor does the law. Then Fred copies Fred's MP3 to Jack's computer. Since Jack's computer is owned by Jack, and not Fred, the Fred's MP3 doesn't play."
Home tape, and now CD-R trading is also a great form of promotion, word-of-mouth. Kill it, and you kill the goose that lays golden eggs. All DRM really does is create inconvenience, which will make the fans mad. You don't want that. If the $20 CDs at the mall have all kinds of DRM restrictions, but the knock-offs at flea markets and on street corners for five bucks don't, where do you think teens are going to buy?
You will never convince the majority that they can't listen to music without coughing up some dough. We just don't accept that, after all, no one has to pay to listen to the radio, and you can overhear someone playing their CDs without paying, too.
Studio recordings are so plastic, and same-sounding that in the near future, teen pop albums will be made by robots, and kids won't notice any difference. Have you heard the new Cherry 2000? Yeah, she rocks!
I don't think the previous poster meant that musicians are overpaid, but their managers, record company executives, independent promoters and such. The hangers on and leeches who don't make a note of music are the ones who are overpaid. The artists are usually starving.
If you want to have the people who wrongly accused you taught a lesson, or even rubbed out, I recommend Pre-Paid Illegal Services. They'll make your accuser an offer he can't refuse.
The Robosweep is so lame that no one will adopt one as a pet as so many have with Roomba.
Smythe has a Roomba robotic vacuum which he calls "Scruffy", just like it was a real dog. He even puts dirt down for it from time to time, and imagines that he is feeding his "pet".
It might be possible to respect copyrights if there terms were more reasonable, and their holders didn't treat us all like thieves. To hell with the RIAA and the record labels. Don't buy CDs.
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Maybe your Roomba is getting rebellious because you don't feed him enough. William Smythe always feeds his. He also believes we need to extend human rights to robots.
To me, DRM is a direct violation of my personal property rights. I will never accept it, not in an infinity of eternities. If I buy a CD, it is my personal property. I will listen to it on the device I choose. I will let freinds listen to it as well if they want to. I will use it as a drink coaster if that amuses me. I will resell it at disc-go-round if I want to. These things are my right because a disc I bought is my personal property!
Your rights should be to do whatever you please. You bought the disc, it is now your personal property. Listen to it, Copy it to an MP3 player, let a freind listen to find out if they like it, use it for a drink coaster, resell it at disc-go-round. Whatever amuses you. The industry doesn't want you to let anyone else listen, and wants you only to be able to listen to it on the player of their choice. This twists and contorts the very concept of property into something I don't recognize.
I don't have to pay to listen to the radio, and there are also free concerts all the time. I will, however, pay for music if I like it, and the price is right. What you need to remember is that payment is not a debt I owe you simply because I heard a note of music. Patronage is a privelage that must be earned. If you think payment is a debt you are owed simply because you made some music, you are engaging in wishful thinking. I suggest that you wish in one hand, shit in the other, and see which gets full first.
Plan 9 From Outer Space is on the list at number 76,
and Glen or Glenda is number 63. That is two Ed Wood movies. The IMDB people probably haven't even seen Bride of the Monster, Orgy of the Dead, or any of the other Wood flicks, or they would be on the list, too.
In 1984, the government of Oceania did not care much about the Proles, and would have ignored the homeless as just more Proles. They only tracked party members. The neocons are worse than Big Brother. They want to track everybody! How are they going to track the homeless who frequently won't know their Social Security Number, if the even have one. Will they embed them with RFID chips?
Will they use bar code tattoos? Scary stuff!
Funny that you mentioned "new" Coke. Did you notice that they changed the look of the cans and bottles again? They have quietly brought back "new" Coke.
IMDB readers rated Gigli as the worst film of all time. Even Ed Wood movies don't suck nearly as bad. Word-of-mouth whether spoken, or through text messaging has always been the most influential form of review. If banning PDAs and cellphones from theatres is the MPAA's plan now, it won't work. The few who actually pay to see terrible movies will still warn us off as soon as they leave.
In the future, power will be generated by people on treadmills.
Now to DRM. It will always be cracked. It is an exercise in futility that will never stop counterfeiters, but will always be a pain in the ass to legitimate customers, just as it was for computer software in the 1980s. Did you ever have to fart around with one of those code wheels before you could play a game you had paid good money for? Did you then go get a cracked copy from a hacker friend, and throw away the damn code wheel, and never buy software from that publisher again? Customers should be wooed, not presumed to be thieves. Any business that treats customers like thieves deserves to go bust, as many software companies did in the 1980s.
As for a pay for play system, that is exactly what the labels want, and some artists seem to agree. It will never happen. As far as buying music, I used to do it all the time. In the eighties, I bought hundreds of LPs, cassettes and CDs, and attended many concerts, but in that era the industry still understood that I was a customer to be wooed, not a debtor who owed them something. Bullying, threatening, and suing potential customers is not how you win friends and influence people.
The industry, and some artists need to understand that no one owes them a debt simply because they exist. I can pick up a guitar, and play it, but that doesn't mean anyone who hears it now owes me a debt. It doesn't work that way, and never will.
So, the Russkies want to build a plant on Mars? What makes them think the Zhti Ti Kofft will tolerate that. They hate power plants. After all, they took out ours.
Very true. Simply allowing file trading would be a much cheaper form of promotion then giving payola to an independent promoter, so he can give that payola(minus what he keeps) to radio stations. If people like the music, they will go buy a CD, or in some cases, a LP or cassette. People like to collect tangible things, but only the ones they like, and only when the price isn't a rip off.
"Personally, I would like to see a user rather than hardware based DRM system. Huh? Well, Fred buys a CD. Fred then rips Fred's CD to MP3 on Fred's computer so he can transfer it to Fred's iPod. I've no problem with that, nor does the law. Then Fred copies Fred's MP3 to Jack's computer. Since Jack's computer is owned by Jack, and not Fred, the Fred's MP3 doesn't play."
Home tape, and now CD-R trading is also a great form of promotion, word-of-mouth. Kill it, and you kill the goose that lays golden eggs. All DRM really does is create inconvenience, which will make the fans mad. You don't want that. If the $20 CDs at the mall have all kinds of DRM restrictions, but the knock-offs at flea markets and on street corners for five bucks don't, where do you think teens are going to buy?
You will never convince the majority that they can't listen to music without coughing up some dough. We just don't accept that, after all, no one has to pay to listen to the radio, and you can overhear someone playing their CDs without paying, too.
Studio recordings are so plastic, and same-sounding that in the near future, teen pop albums will be made by robots, and kids won't notice any difference. Have you heard the new Cherry 2000? Yeah, she rocks!
I don't think the previous poster meant that musicians are overpaid, but their managers, record company executives, independent promoters and such. The hangers on and leeches who don't make a note of music are the ones who are overpaid. The artists are usually starving.
It wasn't Microsoft. It was the Zhti Ti Kofft. Put on your tinfoil hat!
I'll tell you what's ridiculous. The assertion that this was Ohio's fault. It was a Martian invasion! Read all about it.
Because that eighties band, Echo and the Bunnymen wants to have another go, but they are all out of bunnymen.
If you want to have the people who wrongly accused you taught a lesson, or even rubbed out, I recommend Pre-Paid Illegal Services. They'll make your accuser an offer he can't refuse.
Just wait until the real space invaders show up. No one will be laughing then!
Smythe has a Roomba robotic vacuum which he calls "Scruffy", just like it was a real dog. He even puts dirt down for it from time to time, and imagines that he is feeding his "pet".
This so-called new great ape is not new at all. He has been called Bigfoot, and Sasquatch. Read more.
Those manuals always leave out important details like where is the "any" key. If anyone asks you that, point them here.
Call it MATRIX, call it MATIE, call it Total Information Awareness, or anything else. It is really the same thing, The Beast.
Those are at Fark, not Slashdot.
It might be possible to respect copyrights if there terms were more reasonable, and their holders didn't treat us all like thieves. To hell with the RIAA and the record labels. Don't buy CDs.