He is the lawyer who helped to write the GPL that nobody (even SCO) will test in court and made it so airtight legally.
Bullshit. The reason that the FSF doesn't go after GPL violators is because the FSF does not want the GPL tested in court. If it's tested and they lose, it's game over, end of line.
Anyone who feels that the GPL is airtight needs to look at the past twenty years of software and technology litigation to see where the 'common sense' answer lies in every suit. It doesn't exist.
This is why the FSF takes the position they do on GPL violations. It is always 'let's yell a lot,' never 'let's sue using our legal instrument.'
Okay I don't want to seem like a troll but the parent is right. Name a sci fi series that in the past 20 years has lasted more than two seasons on network (NETWORK) TV.
Third Rock From The Sun. You may not like this, but even though it's a comedy, it's still a show about alien invasion and human/alien relationships, which makes up a rather gigantic core of 'technical' science fiction.
If someone writes an Open Source app that's appreciated over on Windows, the chance that people will donate in order to keep the project moving increases dramatically. This means that we'll get better applications over in Linux-land and that Windows users will get a better Open Source app over there.
There's nothing wrong with cross-pollination. If Ogg Vorbis were only usable on Linux systems, there would be zero adoption of it by hardware manufacturers. The traction it has, even though it's very small, is due to a large extent on availability of Vorbis tools for Windows.
This 'writing Open Source apps for Windows hurts Linux' attitude is exactly the kind of flag-waving ideological bullshit that keeps resources (as well as the public eye) *away* from Open Source projects.
I interviewed him about a million years ago at Comdex. Out of all of the hyped-up Linux people there, Patrick was probably the most human. Everyone had that glassy-eyed 'I'm going to make a million dollars' look in their eye, except for Patrick. Patrick was smiling the whole time and just enjoying himself. I hope you'll do what you can to help the guy out, I'm gonna see what I can come up with.
I would like to mention that the current acceptence of OGG by hw manufacturers is due almost entirely to the work of Emmitt Plant, who the Xiph people fired.
Um, no.
The primary reason that manufacturers are adopting Ogg Vorbis is because it's a great codec at a great price. I'm proud of the work I did for Xiph, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that I single-handedly brought Vorbis to portable devices and manufacturers.
Thanks for the vote of confidence and all, but I think that the rabid fandom that Vorbis enjoys has a lot more to do with convincing manufacturers that they'll have an audience for Vorbis-playing devices.
Yea, the judge is going to buy that argument. I don't like MEGA CORP'S either but reguardless music sharing on the internet is ILLEGAL period. The same goes for people that pirate Windows and other software. I will not hesitate to turn in a pirate, busting pirates quickly turns them into OSS users.
You're wrong. I release my own music on the internet for free, and I always have. It's not illegal to share it. It's idiocy like yours that makes it possible for the RIAA to trample on systems that keep my music sharable.
I'm still surprised to see so much insane stuff in this thread, like 'If you take your music to your local radio station, they'll play it.' I live in Center City Philadelphia, the fifth-largest radio market in the United States. Clear Channel owns everything. Sheesh.
Wow, way to completely blame Microsoft for well over 100 years of industrialized capitalism. It is not Microsoft spending billions of dollars, trying to convince people of what their culture has told them their entire lives.
Like it or not, industrialized capitalism is here, and it's not going away anytime soon, not in this sector of the economy.
That being said, I do understand the point you're making about 'having to start at the beginning' every time. I just wish that Richard would look to the future, instead of the past.
I would like to see Richard Stallman write a piece that's relevant and express a thought without four paragraphs of text explaining why he is a very important person, and his organization is very important.
If you keep having to explain to people what the FSF and GNU are on about, then there might be something wrong with the message, not necessarily the messenger.
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Wow, you know, it's funny...
I had no idea that this was going on up Slashdot today at all. Matter of fact, it kinda hosed my afternoon because I didn't expect it, and I didn't know about it.
So, no, I didn't submit this story. Usually when I submit stuff that I think is particularly relevant, I take it to timothy directly, and Michael Sims posted this one.
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Hey, folks. If you like what you see in the Neuros, drop me a line at emmett (at) neurosaudio.com, I'll give you a discount that you can use on the website should you want to buy one.
Also, drop me your mailing address, too; I might be able to send you extra goodies. Don't worry, I'll make sure your E-mail address and mailing address are kept private. Thanks!
There's been a few items here and there, but we're still very much in the 'early' phase of 'launching the product.'
There's a lot of really interesting and cool things coming soon (especially for those hip to Linux and Open Source) in terms of what we're working on. We're absolutely committed to Open Source, and there's going to be a lot of news coming from us soon in this vein.
Agreed, it's a bit of a pain. I have a lot of friends in the UK and in Australia that would like to buy the unit, but we're currently not selling it outside of North America.
We're working very hard on making the device available for sale worldwide. One of the options (MyFi, the FM broadcast part) means that the Neuros will have to pass through a few regulatory bodies before this can happen. That being said, though, we're hauling ass to make it available anywhere we can.
More importantly, we're trying to find ways to sell in other countries that don't necessitate us driving up the price in places that aren't the US. Other manufacturers (that shall remain nameless) do this, and we're not really interested in soaking foreign users.
I know it sucks, but we're working on it. Please bear with us, hopefully we'll be able to sell to you soon.
By the way, if it helps your comparison, I'm willing and able to give discounts on the device to any Linux user that wants one. Just drop me an E-mail to emmett (at) neurosaudio.com, and I'll get you a discount code you can use when purchasing one from the Neuros webstore.
Actually, at this very moment, Christopher 'Monty' Montgomery is in Chicago, spending time with the Neuros engineers, working on the NeuRosetta (Vorbis on the Neuros) implementation.
Well, it's the weekend, but come Tuesday when everyone is back at their desks, this work will continue.:)
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I agree that 10% of our proceeds should go to Xiph.org; tonight I will update the web page so that 10% of a purchase will go to Xiph.org as well as the EFF. The reason this change was not done sooner was because at the time OGG-S started, Xiph was not a non-profit organization (charging for the fixed point decoder).
Sounds great, thanks!
Also, if you believe the name of OGG-S could cause any consumer confusion please feel free to email me at rsage@sidespace.com and I will work on changing our site accordingly. Since OGG-S has been mentioned on the Vorbis mailing lists in the past, I had assumed this name would not cause any confusion.
The fact that someone would package Ogg Vorbis with DRM was inevitable (and welcome, as is any derivative work based on our stuff); The only issue I have with this implementation (as I'm unaware of the technical aspects of it as yet) is that it uses the name 'Ogg.'
That being said, I would very much appreciate it if the name of this product were changed. I'd rather avoid confusion sooner rather than later. After all, 'Ogg Vorbis' was only a project codename, and was never expected to take off.:)
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Is it safe to say that these people are in no way associated with the Ogg/Vorbis people? I can't see how this is a good thing. The whole point of Ogg formats is that they're open and free. Do we really want a version of Ogg/Vorbis that is saddled by use restrictions?
I assure you that SideSpace is in no way, shape or form affiliated with the Xiph.Org Foundation, who make Ogg Vorbis and other royalty-free multimedia codecs.
I'm sorry I unloaded on you, but please understand that I get questions about 'Hardware Company X' just about 24-freaking-7. It would grate on your nerves, too.
I don't think I responded well, but your remark wasn't exactly called for, either.
I've got a question that I'm sure you could answer. Is Rio ever going to upgrade the firmware in the Rio Volt to play Ogg Vorbis? Thanks.
Why do you feel that I would be more qualified to answer this than, say, someone who works for the company that makes the Rio Volt? We're software developers; We don't know what's going on at companies all over the place.
I don't know if Rio's going to upgrade the firmware, 'cause I don't work for SonicBLUE. Also; I work for Xiph, so I can't afford the call to Miss Cleo.
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Bullshit. The reason that the FSF doesn't go after GPL violators is because the FSF does not want the GPL tested in court. If it's tested and they lose, it's game over, end of line.
Anyone who feels that the GPL is airtight needs to look at the past twenty years of software and technology litigation to see where the 'common sense' answer lies in every suit. It doesn't exist.
This is why the FSF takes the position they do on GPL violations. It is always 'let's yell a lot,' never 'let's sue using our legal instrument.'
Third Rock From The Sun. You may not like this, but even though it's a comedy, it's still a show about alien invasion and human/alien relationships, which makes up a rather gigantic core of 'technical' science fiction.
If someone writes an Open Source app that's appreciated over on Windows, the chance that people will donate in order to keep the project moving increases dramatically. This means that we'll get better applications over in Linux-land and that Windows users will get a better Open Source app over there. There's nothing wrong with cross-pollination. If Ogg Vorbis were only usable on Linux systems, there would be zero adoption of it by hardware manufacturers. The traction it has, even though it's very small, is due to a large extent on availability of Vorbis tools for Windows. This 'writing Open Source apps for Windows hurts Linux' attitude is exactly the kind of flag-waving ideological bullshit that keeps resources (as well as the public eye) *away* from Open Source projects.
I interviewed him about a million years ago at Comdex. Out of all of the hyped-up Linux people there, Patrick was probably the most human. Everyone had that glassy-eyed 'I'm going to make a million dollars' look in their eye, except for Patrick. Patrick was smiling the whole time and just enjoying himself. I hope you'll do what you can to help the guy out, I'm gonna see what I can come up with.
You'd think that with the Xiph.Org Foundation being around, they could pick a better name than 'X.Org Foundation.' Sigh.
I would like to mention that the current acceptence of OGG by hw manufacturers is due almost entirely to the work of Emmitt Plant, who the Xiph people fired.
Um, no.
The primary reason that manufacturers are adopting Ogg Vorbis is because it's a great codec at a great price. I'm proud of the work I did for Xiph, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that I single-handedly brought Vorbis to portable devices and manufacturers.
Thanks for the vote of confidence and all, but I think that the rabid fandom that Vorbis enjoys has a lot more to do with convincing manufacturers that they'll have an audience for Vorbis-playing devices.
Emmett
Whatever, troll. Consider yourself ignored.
Except that I have been paid for it, by people that license it from me to put in videogames. Eat a bag of dick.
You're wrong. I release my own music on the internet for free, and I always have. It's not illegal to share it. It's idiocy like yours that makes it possible for the RIAA to trample on systems that keep my music sharable.
Jerkoff.
I'm still surprised to see so much insane stuff in this thread, like 'If you take your music to your local radio station, they'll play it.' I live in Center City Philadelphia, the fifth-largest radio market in the United States. Clear Channel owns everything. Sheesh.
Emmett
Wow, way to completely blame Microsoft for well over 100 years of industrialized capitalism. It is not Microsoft spending billions of dollars, trying to convince people of what their culture has told them their entire lives. Like it or not, industrialized capitalism is here, and it's not going away anytime soon, not in this sector of the economy. That being said, I do understand the point you're making about 'having to start at the beginning' every time. I just wish that Richard would look to the future, instead of the past.
I would like to see Richard Stallman write a piece that's relevant and express a thought without four paragraphs of text explaining why he is a very important person, and his organization is very important.
If you keep having to explain to people what the FSF and GNU are on about, then there might be something wrong with the message, not necessarily the messenger.
I had no idea that this was going on up Slashdot today at all. Matter of fact, it kinda hosed my afternoon because I didn't expect it, and I didn't know about it.
So, no, I didn't submit this story. Usually when I submit stuff that I think is particularly relevant, I take it to timothy directly, and Michael Sims posted this one.
Emmett Plant
Community Outreach
Neuros Audio
Also, drop me your mailing address, too; I might be able to send you extra goodies. Don't worry, I'll make sure your E-mail address and mailing address are kept private. Thanks!
Emmett Plant
Community Outreach
Neuros Audio
There's a lot of really interesting and cool things coming soon (especially for those hip to Linux and Open Source) in terms of what we're working on. We're absolutely committed to Open Source, and there's going to be a lot of news coming from us soon in this vein.
It's why I was hired, by the way. :)
Emmett Plant
Community Outreach
Neuros Audio
We're working very hard on making the device available for sale worldwide. One of the options (MyFi, the FM broadcast part) means that the Neuros will have to pass through a few regulatory bodies before this can happen. That being said, though, we're hauling ass to make it available anywhere we can.
More importantly, we're trying to find ways to sell in other countries that don't necessitate us driving up the price in places that aren't the US. Other manufacturers (that shall remain nameless) do this, and we're not really interested in soaking foreign users.
I know it sucks, but we're working on it. Please bear with us, hopefully we'll be able to sell to you soon.
Emmett Plant
Community Outreach
NeurosAudio
Cool, eh?
Emmett Plant
Community Outreach
NeurosAudio
Well, it's the weekend, but come Tuesday when everyone is back at their desks, this work will continue. :)
Emmett Plant
Community Outreach
NeurosAudio
Sounds great, thanks!
Also, if you believe the name of OGG-S could cause any consumer confusion please feel free to email me at rsage@sidespace.com and I will work on changing our site accordingly. Since OGG-S has been mentioned on the Vorbis mailing lists in the past, I had assumed this name would not cause any confusion.
The fact that someone would package Ogg Vorbis with DRM was inevitable (and welcome, as is any derivative work based on our stuff); The only issue I have with this implementation (as I'm unaware of the technical aspects of it as yet) is that it uses the name 'Ogg.'
That being said, I would very much appreciate it if the name of this product were changed. I'd rather avoid confusion sooner rather than later. After all, 'Ogg Vorbis' was only a project codename, and was never expected to take off. :)
Emmett Plant
CEO, Xiph.Org Foundation
I assure you that SideSpace is in no way, shape or form affiliated with the Xiph.Org Foundation, who make Ogg Vorbis and other royalty-free multimedia codecs.
Emmett Plant
CEO, Xiph.Org Foundation
Why not give the ten percent to the Xiph.Org Foundation? After all, we make the codec that makes your product remotely valuable.
While you're at it, why don't you choose a name for your DRM scheme that isn't so closely identifiable with one of our trademarks?
Emmett Plant
CEO, Xiph.Org Foundation
I'm sorry I unloaded on you, but please understand that I get questions about 'Hardware Company X' just about 24-freaking-7. It would grate on your nerves, too.
I don't think I responded well, but your remark wasn't exactly called for, either.
Emmett
Why do you feel that I would be more qualified to answer this than, say, someone who works for the company that makes the Rio Volt? We're software developers; We don't know what's going on at companies all over the place.
I don't know if Rio's going to upgrade the firmware, 'cause I don't work for SonicBLUE. Also; I work for Xiph, so I can't afford the call to Miss Cleo.
Emmett Plant
CEO, Xiph.org Foundation
Congratulations, you win the box of Q-Tips.
Emmett Plant
CEO, Xiph.org Foundation