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> First off, the browser stats vary dramatically by site.
Exactly. That's why my formula says code for "the majority browser" - you need to first establish what that is/might be (could be IE6 could be JAWS...)
> If you code toward the standards and tweak from there,
Again, I agree. But apply my formula: if that "tweaking" takes you to the 10% horizon, or takes up too much time, you should stop.
My point is not whether code can look good or what will degrade gracefully. I have no doubt at all that you may well be able to make a beautiful site for all browsers in a reasonable time. Not all site designs are the same, however, so just go by the formula.
1. MSIE 5 commands about 40% of the market. 2. MSIE 6 commands about 30% and rising. 3. Netscape 4 has about 5%. 4. Netscape 6 has about 5% and rising. 5. All of these browsers render things differently.
Next, take the following fact:
The more work you spend making your code compatible, the more time/money you burn.
Then consider this:
Why do you want to spend this money/time on making your site compatible? How much time/money are you will to spend?
In practice, I use the following rough formula:
Code for the Majority Browser, then the next one in market share, then the next one until you reach the "10% Horizon" or until you think you're spent enough money/time (whichever is sooner).
The lower the market share of the browser, the less point there is making your code compatible with that browser.
It's not *whether* a substance is mentally or physically addictive - it's how this addiction affects you.
For example, if you're looking at mental addiction, in order to gain some perspective on things, think of trousers (or "pants" as they're called in the States). Trousers are very mentally addictive. Deprive a man of his trousers in a public place and he will instantly experience severe cravings for them.
Compared to trousers, marijuana is hardly mentally addictive at all.
So don't talk about addiction without some reference to the effect of withdrawal, and how badly that effects the person. I am probably mentally addicted to tea in the mornings. Without it I become restless and I attempt to seek it out. But I don't become a social problem.
I've met a several "ordinary" (as in non-geek) Japanese who have heard of GNU/Linux. One of them was fascinated by the fact that I worked with it and wanted to know all about about it.
If M$ look at their history books they will find it littered with examples of how Western economic giants were brought to their knees by Japenses companies playing the same game better, but by different means. A version of this pattern *could* play out with M$, Free Software and an as yet unknown Japanese set of organisations.
Yep - we've been using it for almost two years, and have have exactly ZERO virus outbreaks on our network.
Our users (about 60 of them) are fine with it, even though it'll catch the odd legit file from time to time if someone names a file "file.latest.pdf" or something. You can disable this behaviour but we've not seen the need so far.
The only criticism I'd have is that bacause it's procmail and perl based, large attachments (those dang users!) do take a while to pass through our little RedHat PII450 sendmail box, but other than that it's wonderful.
The BBC has a history of being rather more critical of the government of the day than the privately owned outlets
It's also the case that the media in the UK (private or public) can be considerably more critical of the governement and politicians than media in the US. Anyone who's ever watched Larry King interview a senator, then seen Jeremy Paxman do the same with a British MP will know that blustering Larry is a cream puff.
Also interesting to note that the BBC News website carried an interview with Noam Chomsky on 9/11 this year. No US network would ever have done that.
Well said. I work for a marketing company in London and we fling personal data around like confetti. Encryption? Audit trails? Accountabiity? Pah! Just email Excel spreadsheets out to anyone that wants it, then take the cash. The directors of the company (in theory personally liable) don't give a shit.
The British love regulation for regulation's sake, but always back off when it comes to enforcement. That's why the DTI is known as the Department of Timidity and Inaction.
I've literaly just done this 5 minutes ago and it's very easy: name, address, fax number and you're on. It takes 28 days for it to come into effect.
I did this six months ago for another number and it's working very well - overnight we went from about 5 junk faxes a day to zero. We've had about two since then.
> because all the events you rattle off combined > claimed only a small fraction of the innocent > lives that were lost last year.
Oh I SEE! I SEEEE! Finally I can get a perspective on things! It's not WHY something happened, or what the significance of this was, or whether it could have been prevented, or whether it will happen again, or whether good men should do nothing or any of that crap... it's HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED!
Right, I'm off to spend the rest of the year mourning the estimated 10,000 dead in the Bangladesh floods in 1999, the 6,000 killed in the battle of the Somme in 1916, the 1,000 that died in car accidents today around the world...
There should be a sub-category of "first post" reserved for posts about art that tread the ancient "this isn't art, it's crap" line.
It's so predictable, so boring and so wonderfully easy to rubbish any non-representative art like this. But ask yourself this question: "Could I have thought of this?" (clue: you didn't), and "Why do others think this is good?" (clue: you may not have all the answers).
QUERTY is the phonetic spelling of QWERTY. The latter is the keyboard layout itself, the former is how you spell it. In English, you can't pronounce QWERTY (kiew-wuh-erty?) so we have to spell it phonetically.
It says "Microsoft Windows-based applications often implement a Multiple Document Interface (MDI),... " As far as I can tell, very few Windows apps use MDI - at least under Win2K/XP. Only Excel does as far as I know. Word doesn't, MSIE doesn't, dunno how you'd class Outlook or Explorer (not document oriented at all probably).
>No one has a problem with the dock unless they >are already thoroughly entrenched in some other >mechanism.
Bingo. You've inadvertently hit the nail on the had when it comes to the UI wars.
Consider the following:
All human-computer interfaces are awful. NONE OF THEM ARE ANY GOOD. You have to learn how to use them, you have to remember what things do, what order to do them in and be able to predict how they will function under different circumstances.
So what do humans do? They learn them, and become familiar with them to the point that they convince themselves that they are not only the best way of interacting with computers, they're the only way. Typical. Humans are very stupid.
I personally think that the QUERTY keyboard layout is the "best" one because I'm stupid. I think that a CLUI it the "best" way of interacting with a server OS because I'm stupid.
But I don't force this down people's throats because I know that both systems are fundamentally stupid, and I'm tooo stupid to think up anything better.
However, they work fine for me and I can use them to get things done.
Mac? Windows? Gnome? OS/2? Next?
Here's the punchline:
IT DOESN'T MATTER! USE WHAT YOU LIKE! YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GET THE JOB DONE STUPID!
Seems like the minute they find out you're a "European" they go right on the defensive, talk about "superiority complexes" and other bollox.
Listen - Americans: don't do this. It just makes us feel even more superior, and worse, slightly sad for you that you react in this way.
If anything, it's Europeans that need to feel inferior to Americans isn't it? The largest economy in the world, the most powerful currency, king of computing, king of pop, whatever.
Right now, I can't think of anything that's not massivly American and totally dominant.
Not in London, they're not. About 80% of the area covered by the charging plans are owned by the Duke of Westminster. The rest by other private landlords. The notion of public land in London disappeared around about, oooh, 500 years ago?
> Since the production work is mostly done on Macs it makes perfect sense to use a Mac server.
Why? Would you like to explain? We've used Novell servers with Mac clients for ten years without a hitch.
> Windows admins and Linux hobbiests will never get it.
You're right. I haven't a friggin' clue what your're talking about.
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Exactly. I would also commend you to read the this article by Noam Chomsky that points out a number of facts (the documented, independent, uncontested variety, not political "facts") that back this up.
But what *IS* bandwidth really? Why should it be regarded as a scarce resource that needs policies like capping and off-peak usage incentives in the same way as say, oil, gas or rail transport?
I'm not a specialist (please pipe up - no pun in tended - if you are) but are not the costs of providing more bandwidth just faster switches, routers and some other (relatively) trival things? If so, is it not just an infrastructue investment issue, AKA an artificially-restricted resource designed to milk consumers of money?
I'm tempted to say this whole thread is a red herring blinding us to the real issue here: fighting for the right to have as much bandwidth as we want!
Good, that is, as long as you are not interested in setting up processes as services, because many apps that normally allow you to do this when at the console get screwed up by a Terminal Services session. There are also a number of other gotchas to look out for when using TS. Many apps just casn't handle the idea of multi-user in the sense that TS brings to Windows. This is one of the reasons why using VNC can be a better bet.
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In addition to the almost limitless support provided by discussion forums on the internet, you can get commercial support for Linux from many companies in your area. Pick up the phone book.
Blimey. Some people...
> First off, the browser stats vary dramatically by site.
...)
Exactly. That's why my formula says code for "the majority browser" - you need to first establish what that is/might be (could be IE6 could be JAWS
> If you code toward the standards and tweak from there,
Again, I agree. But apply my formula: if that "tweaking" takes you to the 10% horizon, or takes up too much time, you should stop.
My point is not whether code can look good or what will degrade gracefully. I have no doubt at all that you may well be able to make a beautiful site for all browsers in a reasonable time. Not all site designs are the same, however, so just go by the formula.
Take the following facts:
1. MSIE 5 commands about 40% of the market.
2. MSIE 6 commands about 30% and rising.
3. Netscape 4 has about 5%.
4. Netscape 6 has about 5% and rising.
5. All of these browsers render things differently.
Next, take the following fact:
The more work you spend making your code compatible, the more time/money you burn.
Then consider this:
Why do you want to spend this money/time on making your site compatible? How much time/money are you will to spend?
In practice, I use the following rough formula:
Code for the Majority Browser, then the next one in market share, then the next one until you reach the "10% Horizon" or until you think you're spent enough money/time (whichever is sooner).
The lower the market share of the browser, the less point there is making your code compatible with that browser.
It's not *whether* a substance is mentally or physically addictive - it's how this addiction affects you.
For example, if you're looking at mental addiction, in order to gain some perspective on things, think of trousers (or "pants" as they're called in the States). Trousers are very mentally addictive. Deprive a man of his trousers in a public place and he will instantly experience severe cravings for them.
Compared to trousers, marijuana is hardly mentally addictive at all.
So don't talk about addiction without some reference to the effect of withdrawal, and how badly that effects the person. I am probably mentally addicted to tea in the mornings. Without it I become restless and I attempt to seek it out. But I don't become a social problem.
And it's nothing like removing my trousers.
"Intrusion Detection" has over 50 systems. I use Claymore (utterly simply, has saved my arse completely on one occasion).
Tripwire has mindshare - not much else it seems.
I've met a several "ordinary" (as in non-geek) Japanese who have heard of GNU/Linux. One of them was fascinated by the fact that I worked with it and wanted to know all about about it.
If M$ look at their history books they will find it littered with examples of how Western economic giants were brought to their knees by Japenses companies playing the same game better, but by different means. A version of this pattern *could* play out with M$, Free Software and an as yet unknown Japanese set of organisations.
Yep - we've been using it for almost two years, and have have exactly ZERO virus outbreaks on our network.
Our users (about 60 of them) are fine with it, even though it'll catch the odd legit file from time to time if someone names a file "file.latest.pdf" or something. You can disable this behaviour but we've not seen the need so far.
The only criticism I'd have is that bacause it's procmail and perl based, large attachments (those dang users!) do take a while to pass through our little RedHat PII450 sendmail box, but other than that it's wonderful.
JJ
It's also the case that the media in the UK (private or public) can be considerably more critical of the governement and politicians than media in the US. Anyone who's ever watched Larry King interview a senator, then seen Jeremy Paxman do the same with a British MP will know that blustering Larry is a cream puff.
Also interesting to note that the BBC News website carried an interview with Noam Chomsky on 9/11 this year. No US network would ever have done that.
Well said. I work for a marketing company in London and we fling personal data around like confetti. Encryption? Audit trails? Accountabiity? Pah! Just email Excel spreadsheets out to anyone that wants it, then take the cash. The directors of the company (in theory personally liable) don't give a shit.
The British love regulation for regulation's sake, but always back off when it comes to enforcement. That's why the DTI is known as the Department of Timidity and Inaction.
> Remember, this is for non-geeks and families
I look forward to introducing the basics of SSH to my Mum in that case...
Sigh... geeks will be geeks I suppose.
I've literaly just done this 5 minutes ago and it's very easy: name, address, fax number and you're on. It takes 28 days for it to come into effect.
I did this six months ago for another number and it's working very well - overnight we went from about 5 junk faxes a day to zero. We've had about two since then.
> because all the events you rattle off combined
> claimed only a small fraction of the innocent
> lives that were lost last year.
Oh I SEE! I SEEEE! Finally I can get a perspective on things! It's not WHY something happened, or what the significance of this was, or whether it could have been prevented, or whether it will happen again, or whether good men should do nothing or any of that crap... it's HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED!
Right, I'm off to spend the rest of the year mourning the estimated 10,000 dead in the Bangladesh floods in 1999, the 6,000 killed in the battle of the Somme in 1916, the 1,000 that died in car accidents today around the world...
Thank Christ for clear thinking.
There should be a sub-category of "first post" reserved for posts about art that tread the ancient "this isn't art, it's crap" line.
It's so predictable, so boring and so wonderfully easy to rubbish any non-representative art like this. But ask yourself this question: "Could I have thought of this?" (clue: you didn't), and "Why do others think this is good?" (clue: you may not have all the answers).
QUERTY is the phonetic spelling of QWERTY. The latter is the keyboard layout itself, the former is how you spell it. In English, you can't pronounce QWERTY (kiew-wuh-erty?) so we have to spell it phonetically.
I don't make up the rules, I'm stupid, remember?
JJ
It says "Microsoft Windows-based applications often implement a Multiple Document Interface (MDI),... " As far as I can tell, very few Windows apps use MDI - at least under Win2K/XP. Only Excel does as far as I know. Word doesn't, MSIE doesn't, dunno how you'd class Outlook or Explorer (not document oriented at all probably).
>No one has a problem with the dock unless they
>are already thoroughly entrenched in some other
>mechanism.
Bingo. You've inadvertently hit the nail on the had when it comes to the UI wars.
Consider the following:
All human-computer interfaces are awful. NONE OF THEM ARE ANY GOOD. You have to learn how to use them, you have to remember what things do, what order to do them in and be able to predict how they will function under different circumstances.
So what do humans do? They learn them, and become familiar with them to the point that they convince themselves that they are not only the best way of interacting with computers, they're the only way. Typical. Humans are very stupid.
I personally think that the QUERTY keyboard layout is the "best" one because I'm stupid. I think that a CLUI it the "best" way of interacting with a server OS because I'm stupid.
But I don't force this down people's throats because I know that both systems are fundamentally stupid, and I'm tooo stupid to think up anything better.
However, they work fine for me and I can use them to get things done.
Mac? Windows? Gnome? OS/2? Next?
Here's the punchline:
IT DOESN'T MATTER! USE WHAT YOU LIKE! YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GET THE JOB DONE STUPID!
Seems like the minute they find out you're a "European" they go right on the defensive, talk about "superiority complexes" and other bollox.
Listen - Americans: don't do this. It just makes us feel even more superior, and worse, slightly sad for you that you react in this way.
If anything, it's Europeans that need to feel inferior to Americans isn't it? The largest economy in the world, the most powerful currency, king of computing, king of pop, whatever.
Right now, I can't think of anything that's not massivly American and totally dominant.
"Superiority complex" - bollox.
How the hell is this being modded "interesting"? From where I'm standing it reads like wide-eyed loonatic's gibbering.
He says "...that is why WE need to be actively doing all the above bulleted items"
Well state the friggin' obvious! And who exactly will do the "above bulleted items" otherwise? The pink pixies in the woods?
Christ. MODERATORS: It's not enough to just READ posts - you have to THINK about whether they're a load of crap as well.
Holy shit if I had moderation karma right now.... MOD THIS UP.
> They're public lands! Public!
Not in London, they're not. About 80% of the area covered by the charging plans are owned by the Duke of Westminster. The rest by other private landlords. The notion of public land in London disappeared around about, oooh, 500 years ago?
> the spammer considers it delivered; he will still get paid.
In the short term, yes. In the long term, the spammer's paymasters see spam isn't getting the response it was before and will stop. We hope.
Blocking at IP level has its problems too - like what if my IP range gets blocked becuase I have a user with an open relay on there?
> Since the production work is mostly done on Macs it makes perfect sense to use a Mac server.
Why? Would you like to explain? We've used Novell servers with Mac clients for ten years without a hitch.
> Windows admins and Linux hobbiests will never get it.
You're right. I haven't a friggin' clue what your're talking about.
Exactly. I would also commend you to read the this article by Noam Chomsky that points out a number of facts (the documented, independent, uncontested variety, not political "facts") that back this up.
But what *IS* bandwidth really? Why should it be regarded as a scarce resource that needs policies like capping and off-peak usage incentives in the same way as say, oil, gas or rail transport?
I'm not a specialist (please pipe up - no pun in tended - if you are) but are not the costs of providing more bandwidth just faster switches, routers and some other (relatively) trival things? If so, is it not just an infrastructue investment issue, AKA an artificially-restricted resource designed to milk consumers of money?
I'm tempted to say this whole thread is a red herring blinding us to the real issue here: fighting for the right to have as much bandwidth as we want!
G
Good, that is, as long as you are not interested in setting up processes as services, because many apps that normally allow you to do this when at the console get screwed up by a Terminal Services session. There are also a number of other gotchas to look out for when using TS. Many apps just casn't handle the idea of multi-user in the sense that TS brings to Windows. This is one of the reasons why using VNC can be a better bet.
G