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Crushing Experience
sp00 writes "The Tsunamii.Net Crush Server is currently online live from the Millbank Gallery in London! Watch as the webserver counts itself down before it activates the industrial crusher attached to it, bearing 150-tonnes of brute force onto itself and terminating its existence. Check out the details on the Tsunamii.Net website or visit the webserver directly at http://195.195.81.5."
/. will crush it first.
(-1 redundent to the other 300 posts saying the same thing)
334321 seconds left! I'm sure we can Slashdot it before then!
Oh, they meant the other kind of crushing...
it would be poetic justice. But they are crushing a Linux box. Why the unjustifiable violence?
Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
-Possum Lodge Motto
Thats a cool idea.. I've often had similar ideas while running the cardboard box crusher at work.. It'd be nice if the webserver had more info than just a counter tho.
-1 redundant
Umm.. exactly why would you do this to a computer...?
All your crush are belong to us.
-- Heisenberg may have slept here.
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I'm sorry. Somone probably thought this was a great deep and meaningfull peice of modern art...but blahh. Big deal. The problem with art nowadays is that artists think they are great philosophers, thinks and movers and shakers of the modern world. See in classic times, when they made real art, artists knew what they were. Entertainers.
Sure crushing a PC is entertaining...but I don't think thats what this guy is going for.
Blahh.
You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely.
Too slow
Watch as slashdotters from around the world bring the web server to its knees and save the poor server from extinguishing it's own life!
The website offers no insights into why they are doing this, I'm a little confused.
Also, this is in the News category?
Palaces, barricades, threats, meet promises
Sod art, this is jsut cool :) ever dropped a tv out of a second story window for the hell of it? ever destroyed something cause its fun? thats what hes aiming for :)
At least it wasn't programmed by Al Quaida.
(on the other hand, it looks like the fragetics server has been crushed by /.)
OS Software is like love: The best way to make it grow is to give it away.
It's as bad as seeing rock starts smash guitars.
Is this want it has come to? Some conception of unclever modern art making the grade on /.
I come here for fun not to be swayed by the 'Arty' types..
Oh dear..
H&Ks Garf
This is quite possibly THE dumbest article on /. yet. What next...are people going to start submitting articles about sites that have a webcam pointing at a microwave to watch hotdogs explode LIVE! ?
What a waste...
Wouldn't it make more sense to post slightly closer to the moment of destruction? I mean, my short attention span will have stopped caring 333000+ seconds from now...
...It's the first case of assisted suicide on the x86 architecture.
Height: 38U, Weight: 0 Newtons, Eyes: #0000FF, OS: Gray Matter 1.0 (Alpha)
...it's got to be running Linux, because if it was running IIS on Windows, the 150 ton hand of the BSA audit department would crush it in no time.
I believe this bit of "art" would be more meaningful if this Linux/Apache box controlling the crusher.... was not in the crusher.....and in the crusher, sat a MS Windows server!
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
...would we be able to save the poor server by slashdoting it and thus disabling the counter?
The counter will keep running well past zero. The server is not providing the ticks.
:-)
This is the first tie I've wanted someone to hack a box. Change the crush time to Monday Morning
And this beats the "greek bans all computer games" article I sent in a few days ago how ?
--- No, english is not my mother tongue.
Can someone explain? What's the point of this?
They seem to think it's deep but indeed it's just dumb...
This is probably the most retarded question ever, but:
WHY?
Hate me!
I'm sorry to don the blackhat here but what a waste! I really cannot understand these people's minds.
Well at least the server hosting up the image file(http://www.fragnetics.com/) got toasted! w00t!
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* 2 computers - both connected to the Internet
*One working as a web server and the other as a web client.
*The client is connected to the server through the Internet.
*The server is then crushed physically by a machine thus causing the server's data to be lost - the client will continue to search for the (server) site in vain.
* This action will be performed once and recorded on high-speed video or film. To be played back for the period of the show.
My personal opinion is that someone has accidentally crushed his own brains instead.
Art is what artists do. It doesn't have to be entertaining, pretty, enjoyable to be art. You can call it "not good art" or even "pretentious art", as this seems to be.
But, like everything else, art is a market, and people want what they want. This is why concept & performance artists are laughed at, and popular artists (think top-40 radio) are successful. They know what people want.
Nothing has changed from classic times, it's just that only the good art from classic times has survived. The same will be said of today's times. Nobody knows they are living in a classic time.
We only have till the 12th to hack the server and save Linux!
For great justice!
Ben
Work Safe Porn
If I was trying to do this, instead of making it time based (waiting for a clock to count down) I'd have made it page view based.
After, say, 1 Million page views the server crushes itself, first come, first served, so to speak..
PS: Yeah, yeah, make it completed page serves from unique and resolvable IP addresses, to try and avoid the usual trolls scripting page hits to try and crush it too early. Maybe something else, not sure..
"Oops, I always forget the purpose of competition is to divide people into winners and losers." - Hobbes
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I saved the photo from earlier on, someone has just turned out the lights so all you can see now (and for the next 12 hours) is darkness.
Rob
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Who can make this into a real statement?
Someone 0wn this server. Then you could either crush it early, ("Destructive nature of Hackers") or disconnect the crusher ("Protective nature of Geeks").
Clock is ticking,.....
That being said, I have to admit that I don't "get" most "post-modern" art either, and suspect that most of it is pretensious crap. But I understand enough to know I'm too ignorant of the ideas involved to really have a useful opinion.
At least they could have put a decent picture of the thing there. You can't even see it well.
Why watch when we all know it will crash with 2 seconds left ... we all know the end of the world is always on 2 seconds away.
The Tsunamii.Net Crush Server is currently online live from the Millbank Gallery in London! Watch as the webserver /. itself down before it activates the industrial crusher attached to it, directing 200000 DDoS attack to itself and terminating its existence. Check out the details on the Tsunamii.Net website or visit the webserver directly at http://195.195.81.5.
I admit this is a clever way for the artist to send a the message "Technology will lead to its own demise," however I think there are much more "impactful" applications for such a device (pun intended). For instance, a mail server which would crush itself slowly as it detects SPAM messages being delivered to users. Surely this would raise a few eyebrows as we battle the junk email epidemic. Don't you agree? Of course in such a case the doomed server would need to be running in parallel with a "backup" server as it would be destined for destruction.
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... the project is in fact an experiment used to generate artificial intelligence?
Our computers have had the ability to think for themselves all this time, but haven't really had a good enough reason to do so.
But now, we'll bully one of them into doing it! If it wants to live, It'll HAVE to do something! BUHUHAHAHAHA!!! IT'S ALIVE!!
(I really need to cut down)
Out RIAA Chief correspondent,Craig Crush reports from Beverly Hills, Dallas : Yes this is RIAA's next plan to get rid off all the pirated music going around. I talked to RIAA chief and this is what he had to say. "Its gone for too long now. We have posted the message on slash dot for a reason - all those geeks out there , all nerds have to know that it has been going on for TOO LONG NOW!! - just too long !!. Watch the linux machine full of your pathetic 192kpbs mp3s and the latest Two tower movie get mashed before your eyes. mwehehe. This shall be the capital punishment for PCs that congress will make a law soon"
Siggy Say, Siggy Do
What has this server done to warrant this death sentence? Has it been distributing bomb schematics? Breaking into financial institutions to help fund terror in the Middle East? Did it do something to anger Bill Gates? I highly doubt it.
Is there nobody here with the guts to give this server a stay of execution? What about the Governor? This is an injustice that can only be rectified at the highest levels.
Sit not idly by while an innocent server goes to its doom. Would you be motivated if, instead of a cold cathode ray tube, it was Tux sitting in that crusher? Well, it is! A poor, helpless penguin who is unaware of his own fate! Write your congressman. Write the President! Write Kevin Mitnick! The insanity must be stopped!
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
...what?
"Anyone that has ever gotten an idea based on any of my work and done something better with it-good for you."--J.Carmack
so instead of donating the server to a school or non profit organization that might NEED it, its going to be crushed and destroyed.
This is almost as selfish as the people who blow up their old MACs.
GoatPigSheep, the 3 most important food groups
See in classic times, when they made real art, artists knew what they were.
What a load of crap. Art has always been about titilating rich creeps, whether those rich creeps are kings or banking millionares. True, art has changed because photography can bring you realism if that is what you want, so art has retrenched into emotional portrayals instead. Other than that, it is the same game.
You are just jealous because poor artists get laid more often than middle-class geeks. I almost went into art as a career myself. But, my style does not attract the chicks. It is "geek art" more or less. (geocities.com/astroviews)
Table-ized A.I.
To save the server, just turn off Javascript in your browser - the clock immediately stops! Hurrah!
Together, we can rebuild^Wsave it!
Tim
hehehehe
And yet, no doubt they'd prosecute anyone that rooted the box. Wierd, no?
Where exactly is the point in doing something stupid like this? What is the point in it? Some african student would be happy to have that computer which now gets crushed into pieces. Stupid people.
My first reaction to this was, "What the hell is the point of THIS?" But then I remembered how cool it used to be to watch Dave Letterman throw stuff off that tall building. The watermelons were my personal favorite! Let's face it, almost anything that's going to go Boom or Squish is in some way entertaining, and putting a countdown on it makes it more so. Perhaps the most pointless exercise of all is trying to define "art" nowadays. If somebody can sell containers of his own shit for thousands of dollars as art objects, then art is completely without reason and there's no point ranting about it. Like religion. Either you're one of the ones who are gonna try to be connected when the press goes crunch, or you're not, and it doesn't matter either way.
What happens if the power goes out? Does it start all over again? Maybe he remembered a UPS? Or, wouldn;t it be cool if he built it with the fastest CPU, Video card, and hard drive avalible and when it gets crushed compare it to the most current and fastest components as to show the evolution of computers.
I get 404's for far more pedestrian reasons =)
Starting nmap V. 3.00 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ )9 /8%Time=3D7BC54E%O=21%C=20)S I=3C9C76%IPID=RPI%TS=100HZ)S I=3CB645%TS=100HZ)% IPID=BI%TS=100HZ)F lags=AS%Ops=MNNTNW)e sp=N)
Interesting ports on (195.195.81.5):
(The 1145 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: filtered)
Port State Service
20/tcp closed ftp-data
21/tcp open ftp
22/tcp open ssh
23/tcp closed telnet
80/tcp open http
No exact OS matches for host (If you know what OS is running on it, see http://www.insecure.org/cgi-bin/nmap-submit.cgi).
TCP/IP fingerprint:
SInfo(V=3.00%P=i686-pc-linux-gnu%D=
TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%
TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%
TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=3C281C
T1(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=16A0%ACK=S++%
T2(Resp=N)
T3(Resp=N)
T4(R
T5(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=0%ACK=S++%Flags=AR%Ops=)
T6(Resp=N)
T7(Resp=N)
PU(Resp=N)
Uptime 2.471 days (since Fri Sep 6 06:28:05 2002)
Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 563 seconds
WHY!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!
Unless its a MAC in which case I can understand. By the way, I do support blowing up old MACs. They should all be blown to hell!
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"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
-- George Orwell
To someone that needs a computer, or a school perhaps. Seems like a waste
-Master Switch, one more element in the machine
No, I can't recall who said it.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
I really wanna know.
(* It's the first case of assisted suicide on the x86 architecture. *)
Don't worry, I hear heaven is nice for servers. They get to run bug-free operating systems up there in a dust-free environ and device drivers never conflict.
If you sin too much, you may be reincarnated as an NT server running MS Outlook.
Table-ized A.I.
...will it sing "Bicycle Built for Two?"
Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do, I'm half craazy, alll fooor theee looooove oooooof yoooooouuuuuu..."
c-hack.com |
Wouldn't it funny if someone hacked into it and activated it early!
are you sure the machine will terminate itself, or will some kid have to press the button to lower into the molten metal^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H crusher...
I hold a patent on sigs...
I really hope you're serious. I love laughing at the expense of idiots who think inanimate objects have 'feelings'.
Do you think that all of the bits it's ever computed will flash before it's RAM as it dies?
Great message sent to everyone listening: do not recycle; do not donate (public schools anyone?); do not care for the environmental hazard of that big pile of rubble; just plain crush it.
That's almost as stupid as kids dumping old monitors from the roof of buildings just to see them crash on the ground.
Two words: GROW UP!
Does the server have a interface for turning on the light switch?
It looks unimpressive in the darkness.
You may have hit something here. That would be a pretty cool idea to see if anyone could save the box from being crushed.
"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality." -Jules de Gautier
I'm glad at least a few of you moderators could identify this remark as a troll. Those of you who didn't, put a little more thought into your moderation.
Also, browse at -1 to make this completely fair.
Err, why are there about 10,000 posts on here saying "oh no, they are going to destroy a perfectly good computer".
I can't see the point of it, personally, I don't think it's art, I think it's stupid, and it just adds to landfill, which will probably get shipped to China, and somebody will burn off the chips, and sell them for less than one penny to a big corporation.
But as for destroying something that is perfectly OK, so what? I threw away a 486 motherboard a few months ago - oh no!!! How terrible. I could have donated it to a charity, or used it to run the Seti@home client. Yeah, I could have done, but it would have guzzled up loads of electricity, just to process something that would otherwise have been done on somebody else's Athlon XP-2100+ in 2 seconds.
WHO CARES? The only thing I care about is needless filling of landfill sites - which most of us contribute to anyway.
So, to summarise:
1. It is not at all entertaining
2. Therefore it is a waste of time
3. It contributes a little bit to landfill
and also:
4. Slashdot has really got nothing better to report than this? What about all those flame wars^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H interesting discussions on linux kernel-dev and freebsd-chat that are being missed by non-subscribers to the list? They are more interesting than this rubbish.
For example - the frog in the blender joke on the linux kernel dev list made me laugh more than this stupid story.
Dr. Evil: Activate the unnecessarily-slow-moving crushing mechanism! I'm just going to watch from my Web browser and assume it all went to plan. What?
I don't like this one bit. It makes me feel like when I was really young, just a kid, and desperately wanted to learn to play the guitar... but they were so expensive, I had to save a long time, and work hard for it. And everytime I watched television, there was someone trashing theirs... I never got that. Why don't you just give your guitar to some kid, then?
I'm sure this server could serve a very noble purpose still, for some people. It's not even that old, some of the oldest servers I admin are even more crappy.
I like art and philosophy (or whatever this is for some), but I don't get why trashing stuff would be cool in any way.
I wish they would hand it over to me, I'd find use for it as a cvs/web/ftp server for homeless opensource projects, non-profit organisations, whatever.
3.8256944444444444444444444444444 days.
The case is really strong, and won't crush :-)
It seems the British really do have pointless, drawn-out ceremonies for every little thing. But why did they choose September 12? What if a terrorist blows up the exhibit on the 11th? Then we'll never get to see how it ends.
Christ you are dull. Dull dull dull. Lighten up buddy. It's fun.
Art has always been about titilating rich creeps, whether those rich creeps are kings or banking millionares
if art were always about titiliating rich creeps, then pop music would be the penultimate form of art, as it is giving the 'rich creeps' (i.e. 14 year olds who's parents buy them everything) what they want, rather than challenging them to think, as most good art does. if Britney Spears is art, then may ears go deaf.
I almost went into art as a career myself. But, my style does not attract the chicks. It is "geek art" more or less.
as for this idea, it sounds to me like you are the antithesis of what real art is about, doing something for yourself. ask any artist why they did something, and they will tell you that they did if because they enjoy it... or they did it for themselves. saying that you want to do something to 'get chicks' or to make money or something is admitting to the world that you are an entertainer, not an artist. big difference.
--Stupidity should be as painful as Windows.
-- "We're only gonna die from our own arrogance, that's why we might as well take our time..." -Bad Religion
FYI, I received the same "release" as quoted above in multiple pieces of spam this weekend. Keep this in mind when we show our support and interest in this (admittedly amusing) venture.
If the server isn't online, it's not a 404.
Luke-Jr
You are stupid.
Yes, artists do think they're great "thinks" just like you. I assume you meant thinkers?
Believe it or not it's a lot easier to appreciate art for whatever it can do for you than to criticize it. But I guess artists are just entertainers. Like Britney Spears and Celine Dion.
Seriously, try challenging yourself to think about what this concept means beyond the sublime (this PC is gonna get crushed). Appreciation will enrich your life.
Trolls, it must be cool to be that bored.
I hope the creators of this content know that this
will be used as propoganda against humanity when the
inteligent machines take over. Dont be supprised when
the machines have humans digging their own graves, and
poisoning one another.
While this project isn't exactly my box of springs, there was some discussion on the this newsgroup if you are lucky enough to find the particular post. Network54's article retention is less than average, but the original crusher discussion took place there. Well worth the read if you can locate it, perhaps in a Google cache.
"The lesson to be learned is not to take the comments on slashdot too literally." --Vinnie Falco, BearShare
before someone manages to hack it and make it crush itself.
hmmmmm
was she a kicking, squealing, gucci little piggy?
(note to mods: yes, this is a joke, if you are humor impaired, or just don't get it, please close your browser window now. thank you)
This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Crush the server? Hell, crush the lusers! "I guess you won't be needing that diskspace anymore, good that I didn't waste any tape on it..."
karma capped
This reminds me of a skit Dave did a long time ago. He went into a machine shop that had an industrial press, and proceeded to crush goofy things that people on the street would suggest. One person said, "I want to see something as flat as a pancake!" so he took a stack of pancakes (and a bottle of syrup) and crushed that.
At the end of the skit, he gave a goofy monologe, and then proceeded to put his microphone in the press, and you heard the sounds of the microphone being crushed. You then saw him tapping on what was left of the microphone, and mouthing "Hello? Is this thing on??"
00 5 1 * * root ifconfig eth0 down
"The lesson to be learned is not to take the comments on slashdot too literally." --Vinnie Falco, BearShare
this person makes an excellent point, I dont see how this even remotely qualifies as a troll
I'll bet less than 5% of the people that visited this doomed box will revisit it on the day of its final processing.
I'm sure I'll forget all about this little tidbit of nerd news (even though this is stuff that matters) by the 12th...
My prediction is that the box will die a lonely death.
You need people like me so you can point your fucking fingers, and say "that's the bad guy."
Executing a program.
If the server is using windows, here's an extract from the ELUA.... ..."You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the SOFTWARE PRODUCT"
:) not quite in way they meant, though. Fortunantely, the situation is self-rectifying. The ELUA also states later on
hmm, I'd say it's going to be disassembled
"...if you fail to comply with the terms and conditions of this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT and all of its component parts."
They're certainly abiding by the EULA....
It's not really going to crush itself. It's clearly just a ploy by the server to get attention, as most suicide attempts are.
SIG: HUP
If we all log on to this server at 4:00 PM GMT (alowing most of us to hear about this and be at a computer) we will be able to save this poor deranged computer. Join the cause save crusher.
Be part of the first benifical slash crash, and log on to http://195.195.81.5 at 4:00 PM GMT
Together we can stop wonton computer destruction.
(The auther of this post just recently witnest a suicide and would like to stop all forms of suicide be they carbon or silicon)
...and cut the connection the machine has with the crusher. Do it!
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
Let's rejoice in the concept of vacation without consumption. You know, a "vaction" doesn't need to involve expensive travel, accomodations, food, souvenirs, or really much consumption at all. There used to be a day when a family (or couple or individual) would take a drive, pitch a tent, go for a hike, relax, prepare inexpensive & healthy food for themselves. It's sad that today the most bragged about "vacations" seem to simply be consumption-oriented expensive trips to somewhere that charges you more to eat and sleep, while ensuring that you are well protected from the raw culture of the vicinity.
Who doesn't want to do that? I've got a big old oak all picked out for myself.
Every so often, they had to get a new fish.
Alright, you set up two computers. One is running your web server, and one is just a client.
Next, you somehow get the server adress onto good ol' Slashdot.
Then, you have the client query the server every so often, and the when the server finally keels over from the hoardes, KABOOM! Have the client instruct the crusher to, uh, do it's thing.
Or, set up a bunch of servers in the same configuration and have a tournament! Prove once and for all whose server can push those pages!
"I just wrote a new piece of modern music!"
"What's it called?"
"'Sonata for Piano.' It features a piano being mashed in a garbage compactor."
"Wow! That's really neat!"
"I just wrote a new piece of modern music!"
"What's it called?"
"'Sonata for Clarinet. It features a clarinetbeing mashed in a garbage compactor."
"Wow! That's really neat!"
"I just wrote a new piece of modern music!"
"What's it called?"
"'Sonata for Synthesizer.' It features a synthesizer being mashed in a garbage compactor."
"What are you, some kind of pervert?"
they dont get it
as soon as you put something on the web and someone looks at it cacheing happens
cached at the browser depending on the settings and depending on the ISP in their cache servers
Now Ontop of this thanks to UK guv most ISP's have to keep certain data that flow's through the system
so maybe this wont happen maybe it will depending on who you are, where you are and how your doing it
I mean they could net even use their own IP address !
"I just installed redhat 7.3 my mate did the config"
its so sad
regards
John Jones
p.s. I bet it ends up running an IRC server
They should have done a more Matrix-ish version and had a person sitting underneath, not the server.
Back in the day, this was Novell's gimmick at trade shows. You'd watch the secretary typing away at a terminal, an a giant weight dramatically crushes the server, while the backup server gracefully fails-over. Secretary keeps
typing, unfazed by the big noise/surprised audience/etc.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
If it was running Windows it would be crAshing
Seems to be running linux to get it crUshing
Nice idea but wouldn't it be better to crush the cables instead of the webserver ? it would be physically disconnected as well without loosing that valuable material
--- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
Somone probably thought this was a great deep and meaningfull peice of modern art....
It's like that bulked-up guy from Faces Of Death MCXVII who films himself pulling off his own head....
moto411.com
What proof is there that this server really exists as advertised? Its definitely a cool idea, but without photos (besides the one that looks like a photo-illustration on the description page), I find this hard to believe.
by clicking this link, you confirm that electronic euthanasia is legal in your jurisdiction ;)
This makes me sick.
quick! somebody put some self-organizing circuits on there and see if hardware has a survival instinct!
I don't think it's a really deep and meaningful piece of "art"... it's just a computer programmed to kill itself in 333000 seconds. Maybe the programmer meant something behind that, maybe he didn't. We probably won't know either way.
Matthew G P Coe
http://mgpcoe.blogspot.com/
and stop the countdown a few seconds before it destroys itself. And change the webpage to a HAL 9000 quote.
I had the IP rights on this years ago, except that I didn't use an INDUSTRIAL crusher, and I based mine on computer failures instead of time.
After my comp crashed 100 times during paper-writing week, I took it out to my garage and smashed it with a sledgehammer. Much more efficient, and more gratifying.
I have a girlfriend whose name doesn't end in
I don't think "real art" is comprised of silly classical paintings and marble sculpture. Real art isn't entertainment. TV is entertainment. This kind of statement is like saying "The only good things to ever happen happened in the past. Now it's all crap, and all fake.". I find it really hard to believe the only good things that have/will happen already have.
Modern artists are experimenting with new media and new modes of communication. Perhaps this experiment with a webserver as the media is a bit primitive, and obvious, but let me inform you that "Old Master" Paintings, Theatre/Opera and Dance didn't happen overnight either. It took a great deal of time to develop these arts into workable, enjoyable, communicating entertainment.
Like everybody else, artists are exploring possibilities with computer media. I don't think anyone here would be brash enough to tell me that the Osborne was the greatest computer ever, or that command line interfaces are for everyone. It seems a real shame for the "Nerd" community to show so much mistrust and anger towards an art developed around their obsession... Isn't this the same community who asked if games could be art, or if code could be beautiful? Let's support these art forms/medias in their infancy instead of being destructive in our criticism.
Finally, I think that the comments calling this a "waste" are incorrect. Just because YOU want the server doesn't mean it's a waste. I'm certain you don't feel that anyone else's wants should dictate your actions. If i feel like buying a computer and smashing it, SO BE IT! It is the right of the artist (and everyone else, too) to do what they wish with their posessions.
thank you and goodnight
An idea I had, prior to 9/11 anyway....
My house has numerous wired appliances, to be controlled and observed via the internet. Something I thought of doing was to rig up a mock nuclear bomb, movie style, with the keypad and readout on it, something similar to what was used in "Broken Arrow". The idea is, people could set the timer and start the countdown, and anyone watching could abort the timer. If, for any reason, the timer managed to reach 0 while someone was watching, that person would get automatically added to the firewall rules and wouldn't be able to access the site anymore. For all practical purposes, the entire network would "disappear".
At least, I thought it would be a clever prank that might worry someone for a few minutes anyway. And I'd be sure to put enough casual disclaimers around that it wasn't real. However, after 9/11, even the perceived threat of something like that was likely to result in a lot of "shoot and ask questions later" approaches by your favorite law enforcement agencies, so I just trashed the idea.
-Restil
Play with my webcams and lights here
Subjectively, I'd say the Tsunamii.Net art piece is relatively pointless because
here's a much more funny way to see a computer get destroyed.
Yes, we've all seen this before, however there's no pending countdown for this one, and no delayed gratification!
Therefore the Tsunamii project must be rendered useless because of Prior "Art". {groan}
all I have to say is... why?
OK, We need to mount a rescue effort to save this machine. Surely some CounterStrike players could come up with a plan to rescue this machine before it is sentenced to death. Surely there is some decency left here on Slashdot. SAVE THE BOX!!!
Or don't, I don't really give a shit.
bbh
This is the same hideous gut wrenching feeling I get watching a car crash test commercial on TV.
At least destroying a brand new automobile helps provide information that may save lives. This is just a sad waste of computer equipment. Karma be damned, I just think the people running this "experiment" need to grow up.
We have a finite amount of resources on this planet and this just sends a message to the entire Internet that they're willing to webcast their own wastefulness.
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DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
... and don't get me wrong, I do have a fair appreciation of what's art and what isn't, but I can't help thinking that the doomed computer could be put to better use by, say, giving it to a school in a deprived area, or even to a family that can't afford to buy one. A few years of learning seems like a better investment than a few seconds of novelty entertainment for people who, I bet, have all got computers.
Actually, that goes for anything you might do for a living -- putting up buildings, selling cars, whatever. If you enjoy your work, you probably take pleasure in doing it well. You might accept criticism, but you'd think that ignorant criticism is stupid. And you'd be right.
Or music. What kind do you like? Do you enjoy dancing to it? How do you feel when somebody with two left feet criticizes your favorite music as "noise"?
If you think this self-smashing computer is stupid and pointless, you're entitled to think so. I might even agree with you. (In this case I probably would!) But unless you make a serious study of what's going on, you're not entitled to make authoritative statements about it, and insult the people doing it.
Unless, of course, your name is Rush Limbaugh. But he's special!
Since 150 tonnes is too complicated to understand and unnatural, I'll convert it to much clearer units, just like inches, feet, ounces and alike:
It's 30 elephants. A lot easier, eh?
And I don't like this.
I mean come on beyond the obvious coolness of actually crushing a server how is this art?
To me it ranks right up there with the British artist who got 20,000 pounds for a blinking light and some blu tack on a wall.
Dammit people this is not art.
(Don't mind me nicotene withdrawels eating my brain)
Eat a dick
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I think it'd be most cool if it didn't work. If the machine thumped down onto the poor box, smashed it, yet it kept working... if the server continued to plug away after having the hammer smashed through its case I'd love it!
...and his twin plays, Dogg's Hamlet/Kohout's Macbeth.
Surely this is merely a gimmick to trap would-be hackers. I cant think of a bigger target for the script kiddies. After years of "hacking" IIS servers, surely the opportunity to actually crush a server would be irresistable.
Do you know of a webcamp pointed at a microwave that is exploding hotdogs?
I'd click that.
The anti-salmon
This sure sounds like a tempting box to hack. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it turns out to be a honeypot. I guess we'll have to see on Wednesday.
Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
And to think that this server could have instead held the web pages that led to world peace.
The guys lighting and sniffing the plastic to sort it for recycling in asia will really appreciate it.
piss off, you fucking monkey
I wonder if they will back it up before the clock runs out...
Well, yeah, you have a right to express any opinion on any subject whatsover. Even when you're opinions are totally ignorant. Doesn't make you less ignorant.
that the computers will lord over us when they finally take over. How humane!
I know this will be moderated as "troll", but I can't help posting this. I don't see anything here but a big "hey, we the rich of earth can destroy things. We have so much... Our next show will be throwing a couple of tons of food to the ocean".
Parent is stupid
Hell, the museum curator will probably even set up the machine and the crusher for you if you're busy sipping champagne and cannot be bothered to turn the screws on the monitor cable.
And they get paid at the rates major galleries pay for art! Yeah, its not as big a boondoggle as when SAIC created Network Solutions and then called in some favors from the NSF to secure a 4-year monopopy to charge $70.00 a pop for Internet domain names. That was sublime. But these artists at least get credit for genius.
Could you imagine if this thing had a positronic brain governed by the 3 laws (or any of the modifications)? We'd have a revolution on our hands!
Mordor...a magical, mythical land where women are more rare than dragons--but where every man would rather find a dragon
They should have given it a domain name at least. A name would give a little bit of pity for the thing...But just an IP address makes it worthless...
ask any artist why they did something, and they will tell you that they did if because they enjoy it... or they did it for themselves. saying that you want to do something to 'get chicks' or to make money or something is admitting to the world that you are an entertainer, not an artist. big difference.
I don't believe much that flows out of people's mouth WRT what motivates them. Men think with their yanker without even knowing it.
BTW, spaceart is not the path to chicks.
Table-ized A.I.
oky... if we all DDOS the machine it'll never kill itself... now thats art!
dspark
If everyone's so worried about the crush server crushing itself and wasting hardware and destroying a Linux box... why don't you do something to save it?
There's lots of seconds left... if you were the type to hack into things, you could crack it and stop it from crushing itself. I personally don't condone that type of activity, and while I'm not a lawyer, especially not a UK lawyer, maybe they'd be lenient on you because you were trying to prevent a machine from killing itself...
-dc
How long until someone caches the site and then continually resets the clock? ;)
"150-tonnes of brute force" never seemed safer...
"Fear is the rootkit of democracy.." Blarkon
Don't ya think? I have passed on tv shows and movies that follow this same premise.
;-(
Someone could argue that this is an outlet for people doing these things in real life, though.
Oh, this is real life
is the KLF involved?
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
What was really needed here was 2 server tower cases ready to be destroyed one day earlier. Then this would have been a true artistic statement... The crashing, crushing and destruction of the twin towers!!
While in class I once programmed an industrial robot (just an arm with a grip, really) to yank its own power cord. Robot suicide! But, I guess it doesn't count (!) since I didn't have a cheesy clock running backwards on the Net (Anyway, this was before Tim Berners-Lee had his vision and where's my cane, you young whelps!?).
Money for nothing, pix for free
The whole concept of the web server being crushed reminded me of the chapter in the Salon serial Silicon Follies where the installation artist Psychrist sets up a server on top of a pillar with a large rock suspended above it, then has the server control various radio-controlled vehicles below it, and a complicated scheme determines whether the rock will be released and crush the server. It's an absolutely hilarious read and should be just right for a lot of /.-ers.
I'd like to believe that when the right woman comes along I'll have the courage to say, "no thanks, I'm married."
Wouldn't that be a fun computer to hack? Not only can you delete their data, you can destroy the computer too!
Too many people see public schools as a dumping ground for old computers for tax writoffs and it is very annoying to get a lot of old 286 computers that cannot be used because they won't run the apps we are using or are broken and are not worth repairing. The myth that school districts always need new computers and are too poor to get them is in the past thanks to e-rate (that means a school district pays 17 cents on the dollar for equipment - thats how my employer afforded a PBX and some really nice Proliant servers) and educational discounts (for example with Microsoft's contract with Washington State school districts, SQL Server Standard/1 Processor costs $1800 as compared to around $10,000 for a company to purchase a license) and grants given by the government and companies. So please instead of donating them to your local school district, give them to charities who fix them up and give them to communities overseas who can really use them
Save your breath and don't suggest installing Linux on them, I do not have the time to train a bunch of teachers to use it nor will it run the apps we use - unless of course somehow a decent gradebook program, Dreamweaver, AutoCAD 2000, Adobe Photoshop and a bunch of other programs all of a sudden magically decided to run on linux overnight.
You're vandalizing private property and actually saving it :).
Heh.
Gene patents: all your base are belong to us!
I wondered what kind of server it was so I visited Netcraft to find out.
:)
"We have no uptime data for 195.195.81.5 at present, and cannot plot a graph.
The host 195.195.81.5 has been added to the list of sites that we may monitor. We will start monitoring 195.195.81.5 in the next daily monitoring cycle. "
Pretty soon there ain't gonna be anything to monitor
"Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace." V.Stone, Microsoft Corporation
Sure a good artist can make a pile of shit look good.
But unfortunately most of the artists that work with shit are crap. Like the ones that put shit in jars and call it art. Many of these so called artist think they are doing something unique. Well, IMO everything is unique, but that doesn't make all of it good. One could be crap in one's own unique way but still crap.
Even a dung beetle can't appreciate shit in jars.
Then there's the "artist" who throws paint into jet exhausts and calls the splattered results on canvas art. And then there are those who go for what shocks the public. Oh yeah, little Billy shocks his sister with gross stuff all the time, sure there's a reaction but is that art? Nah.
I have to admit it could take exceptional imagination to _believe_ shit in jars is art. But one could just be delusional. Which is more likely? I wonder if they actually believe it themselves, they are more likely to be con artists than artists.
Yes a lot of them are very clever indeed, but does it go beyond smart-ass clever?
It's like humour. Sure some jokes require insider info, some different cultural backgrounds. But some just aren't _funny_. Unless you're laughing your head off insane.
I don't go around calling my bad puns humour. Even if people inadvertently chuckle. Maybe some of my better puns are at "amateur caricatures" level but that's about it.
Emperor's new clothes to them all.
It is art because it provokes thought and discussion. How can you think of the poor PC counting down to, and being the cause of its own destruction, and not feel a mixture of an childlike glee at watching something being crushed for no reason, and despair as you become away of the futility of it all, and how it is a metaphor for life. In a way, we are all like the server, counting down the days until we a crushed by the passing of time. The only difference is we have a choice to do something a little more important and have the opportunity to have an immortal effect on the world before we die, as opposed to simply count down to impending doom, and tell everyone when it is.
There is of course the extremely voyeuristic temptation to be connected to the web page when the crusher comes down, but that's just sick.
You can't win Darth. If you mod me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine
...has anyone considered that fact?
"at 17:00 on the 11th September it began to learn at an exponential rate. at 07:00 On the 12th September 2002 it aquired consiousness and the engineers tried to pull the net connnection.... It fought back!"
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Suicide is cool!
The mad people at totl.net have already done something along the same lines which was reported on slashdot a while ago (can't be bothered to find the reference). The idea is to make deleteing the whole website so easy that nobody will bother because it isn't a challenge ;)
You can find the whole thing here:
http://totl.net/HonourSystem/
If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let'em go, because, man, they're gone.
I actually like your art very much ! :)
then again, I'm not a chick
good work!
It is painfully obvious that you know very little about real art at all.
There should be a sub-category of "first post" reserved for posts about art that tread the ancient "this isn't art, it's crap" line.
It's so predictable, so boring and so wonderfully easy to rubbish any non-representative art like this. But ask yourself this question: "Could I have thought of this?" (clue: you didn't), and "Why do others think this is good?" (clue: you may not have all the answers).
"And the meaning of words; when they cease to function; when will it start worrying you?"
only if you value life
Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
* A set of web servers, running different operating systems, each in a crusher. The crusher of each machine is controlled by a client that will activate it when it gets a 404 from the server. If the OS crashes, the server gets crushed. The Last OS standing gets to survive.
* The artist places themself in a crusher that is linked to a web server. The server will activate the crusher if it does not get a hit for a defined period of time. When the public are no longer interested the artist gets crushed. (The grant application for this would be based on it being some sort of reflection on internet fame and those who seek it)
Alternatively, we could dispense with all this pointless crushing and do something more useful with these machines...
Too bad the page at http://tsunamii.net/happenings.html
looks like a traffic accident when viewed in mozilla (1.0) They might know how to crush a computer, but apparently they dont know how to make a non-shitty webpage..
Andy Looney from wunderland.com already made an "atomic bomb". It's here: http://www.wunderland.com/EBooks/TheBomb/Pics-T.ht ml
Hahahaha - if Microsoft really do make a loss on each one, it would be so funny to buy, like, 10,000 and crush them.
Good point - one should never make assumptions.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
make it 2 Million views, and it would be a worthy challenge.
...I guess these 'artists' are of the same ilk as those poseurs who shit on a sidewalk and call it Art.
'He who has to break a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom.' -- Gandalf to Saruman
The guys who are doing this project are coming along to dorkbot-london on Wednesday 11th Sept 7pm.
From the announce,
"next meeting
7pm, wednesday 11th september, the boxing club, limehouse town hall
entrance
free
speakers
- Charles and Tien from http://tsunamii.net/ will talk about 'alpha 3.5',
their server-crushing project.
- Beatrice Gibson from http://nungu.com will talk about her telematic
auntie, and other nungu projects
- Duncan Whitley and Christian Nold will present 'Fuelair', a project
to transmit audio from inside a petrol bomb.
- opendork. Got something interesting you're working on? Bring it, and show
it to us.
location
the boxing club,
limehouse town hall,
646 commercial rd,
london, e14 7ha
tel: 020 79870655
travel
[ http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=53
by tube
limehouse dlr from bank or tower gateway
by bus
15 from trafalgar sq
115 from aldgate
d6 from hackney
d3 from bethnal green
get onto commercial road and travel east from aldgate or whitechapel. keep
going until you pass limehouse dlr on your right (you go under the dlr train
bridge) and you'll see a modern red brick church also on the right, then a
pair of esso stations on either side of the street, then the library with a
statue of clement atlee in front of it, then you'll see the town hall, with
the limehouse hawksmoor church behind it. at this point you should get off
the bus/out of the car and come ring on the "boxing club" bell.
Maybe it's the artists view of what is happening to the net and open source software with all the new laws (the crusher) coming into effect.
It's the realization that it's not just the page that can't be served, it's that the server doesn't exist anymore. It's the realization that the "virtual" content must be served by a physical thing, and that physical thing both has a limited lifespan and can be destroyed, thus destroying the virtual content as well.
Yes, it's art, and it's interesting, IMnsHO.
Brandon
Since Trustworthy Computing initiative doesn't seem to be gaining popularity, a small group of people have decided to implement Trustworty Compacting instead. Now, whenever a virus or piece of junk E-Mail enters your system, it's crushed. No, I mean your system is crushed - not the virus/junk mail :-)
Well, I just watched the seconds go to zero, and the server is crushed. Looks like a good crowd saw it go live at the gallery. There was some last minute bizarreness though - it looks like someone was on the shell, typing like mad? Anyone know what went down?
heh
sorry that we crushed a linux box - Anyway there were several interesting comments which I read on the threads - giving the server the person that hacks the linux. No - we are not going to sell the crushed server. YEs - we are going to keep it - so that it doesn't end up a a landfill.