They also seem to be grabbing alot of market share, so they must be doing something right
Yeah, charging 100 million in consulting fees and licensing is that something... The system is crap and I've never seen a company get more out of it than seeing on their balance sheet how they are now 100 mil in the hole. The only thing worse is SAP, a godawful nightmare itself, and 200 million instead.
Maybe Unix isn't dead. Maybe just Sun and HP. When they start making decent high end Intel servers that don't cost 3X as much as the equivalent Sun box, then yes, Sun will go away, and HP will not be able to sell those 9000 monsters either. Go out and price one of those 32 way Unisys Intel boxes. Last I checked they were like twice the price of an E10000. And of course, the *nix OSes that go with them, like Solaris and HP/UX will go away too. I'm not trolling, I love both of those dearly, but I think they will go away. Linux will take their place. And you notice, I did not say IBM will lose its high end market share, and what are they doing differently? Running Linux on everything they have that plugs into the wall. Yeah, AIX 5.2 has some new goodies in it, but Linux is really gaining ground there. And the new blade servers will kick ass. Remember, we all love our favorite operating systems, but it's all about the hardware. Unix will not go away, it kicks far too much ass, but M$ will gain market share as others build these bigger boxes.
I guess the French government is not owned by the corporations? Man, that is refreshing. Where did they come up with that one. Shit, I'll drop my rifle and run any day for that.
Uh, no. It is illegal here, and called entrapment. At least it used to be until they started making up the laws as they go. And any decent lawyer will get you out of that drug house sting any day of the week. Not that the cops care, their job is just to scare people.
They must have been terrorists. I'm sure they are in Cuba by now. Houses sold, assets frozen and confiscated. Or they violated the DMCA. Can that land you in Guantanamo these days? Or is violating the DMCA now the same as being a terrorist? It's so confusing, really. I guess I probably should not be writing this. I think they're coming for me now...
In Soviet Russia (no, this is not one of those jokes) they had a name for the person who turned you in. They called them a Stukatch (bad transcription from the Cyrillic, sorry). It was an offtake on the word Stuk, or "knock". If your neighbor did not like you, or disagreed with your "morals" they would turn you in, and soon enough you would get that knock.
Okay, I agree with every part of your post. But let's realize, it is AOL. This is a company that panders to the lowest form of internet users (outside of spammers I would say). I have talked with many people who have worked for them, none of whom were exactly mensa members. Even if their security is pristine, and even if someone did not crack it this round, someone will. All of a sudden, the whole world knows what a juicy bit of goodies this customer database is. Besides, it doesn't matter how good the firewalls are configured, or how many levels of internal private networks you have. Most companies I have done security for you could walk out of the datacenter with the whole friggin' server with little more than a smile and a fake name. I'm sure AOL is not much better.
Oh yeah, almost forgot, the guys who started this board used to log into my BBS. Nostalgia will kill you, it really will... I remember when the only reliable board was running Wildcat over at the now named Careerline Tech center.
Telegard was the BOMB! And long distance charges? Obviously you never heard of Code Thief? I really, really miss those days of the BBSes. A real sense of community.
Just because you clowns listen to the same 2300 songs over and over again does not mean the rest of us do. Realistically, that amounts to less than 200 cds. I had that many cds (or records as the case may be, sheesh) when I was 12. Some folks listen to more than one type of music, yes, it is hard to believe. Some people even listen to all types of music (okay, I hate country, but many people like it). It is very easy to have 10,000 tracks, agreed though, 32000 is a lot, but not morally wrong. I do not think the poster asked you to rate his music collection, nor like me, does he probably care. I also do not believe apple went out and asked a bunch of music fans how many songs they had. Some dumbass developer just said, well, 32000 sounds like a nice round number. It is a sad fact that many product developers do not take "reality" into account when they develop software. "Oh, it works with five songs, I'm sure it will work with 5,000". Not a sane presumption. Ever. Just because you do not have 32,000 tracks does not mean no one should have that many.
I think they are talking more about vendors like BEA. Which, come on, give me a freakin' break. Finally people have realized that 35K per CPU licensing for a Java application server compared to 0K for Tomcat is just ludicrous. And iPlanet, yeah, for as much as they paid for that guy, I guarantee they do care. They should have stuck to just being a web server, because as an app server it is the biggest piece of crap ever coded (or damn close). I don't think microsoft even cares, as you noted, and definitely agree on the IBM thing, WebSphere is the sum of the parts and a solid product. Big Blue will always be able to push whatever they want, does the phrase "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" ring a bell? Of course, if they could just get MQ to be stable on M$ platforms, they would take over the world (or did that already happen?)
Great troll. Reminds me of the many C++ programmers I work with (C++ is awesome BTW, for what it's worth). They are always dissing Perl because it is a "hack". Whatever you say, but say it louder when my "hack" program can do fairly complex things with half the development time. They both have their uses. When I write product code, I use C++. When I write utility code I use Perl. It's hard to explain to them that something they do not understand may not in fact be evil. We mock what we do not understand.
So this is the country we live in. Above all else, it should scare the crap out of us that a US district attorney was not smart enough to figure this one out:
The satellite TV industry and the Motion Picture Association of America lose millions of dollars from piracy, he noted.
How the f*** does the MPAA and the satellite industry "lose" money? Is it falling out of their pockets? Are these pirates stealing it from the bank? This suggests two things, that the interception of these signals costs them money. What, do they have to boost their signals more because more people are receiving them? WTF? So we are assuming that all of these people illegally intercepting these signals would be paying a monthly fee for their service if they were not hacking? Please, I don't think so. I don't hack directv, but the people I know who do wouldn't give them a dime. Ever. So how are they "losing" money again?
What "satellite box" are you talking about? There is not "box" that gets hacked in this scenario. There is a card that can get hacked, but this is secondary. Let's take the example of an emulation setup for said devices. In this case, the datastream coming from the satellite provider can be logged on the emulation system without reverse engineering, "hacking", or modifying the conditional access system. One of the things the satellite provider may do is send signals down to your purchased system to alter the contents of its ROM, and change the functionality within your receiver. Any reverse engineering/hacking can be justified if it is to stop this alteration from occurring. To say that nothing legitimate can come from this hacking is obviously coming from someone that knows very little about how these systems work.
Their only viable use is to steal copyrighted presentation of satellite service
Not to be rude, but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about here. That statement is just as true as saying there is no legitimate use for DeCSS outside of making illegal copies of DVDs. The knife analogy stands here, you can reverse engineer anything you like, but as soon as you do something illegal (actually receive and watch these broadcasts, then yes, that should be prosecuted. Until that time, apparently you are guilty until proven innocent. Tell you what, go out to the net and order an ISO 7816 standard smart card programmer. I can almost guarantee you will receive a letter from DirecTV saying that you have done something illegal, and they expect you to pay them $3500 with no proof you have done anything and no due process. This will occur even if you have been using said programmer to code conditional access systems generally available (i.e. Sun's SunRay systems). Thank you for this broad generalization that justifies our current Gestapo regime. Because remember folks, those poor defenseless corporations need to be protected from us evil consumers out to get them.
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And he is evil, in case no one else has noticed. How is him owning Dave better than SBC? At least SBC probably is not into extorting from its customers, as Dave is so happy to do.
Agreed. I think the easies thing to do would be to install cameras in everyone's houses. That would solve all of our problems with terrorism and people doing anything illegal in general. Where can I get mine?
I'm a Canadian and the reek of hubris from across the 49th parallel is stunning!
I guess, but I figured you people couldn't smell any of it from blocking all of our media at the border.
I was wondering the same thing. Now I can do what I was doing anyway, but now I'm a patriot? Although I will say doing it for the government kinda loses its appeal. So conflicted...
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Me too. I thought the editors were trolling again...
They also seem to be grabbing alot of market share, so they must be doing something right
Yeah, charging 100 million in consulting fees and licensing is that something... The system is crap and I've never seen a company get more out of it than seeing on their balance sheet how they are now 100 mil in the hole. The only thing worse is SAP, a godawful nightmare itself, and 200 million instead.
Damn, I was wondering the same thing. Did Mindcraft put out this benchmark? Maybe they shoulda done a Pet Shop comparison while they were at it...
Maybe Unix isn't dead. Maybe just Sun and HP. When they start making decent high end Intel servers that don't cost 3X as much as the equivalent Sun box, then yes, Sun will go away, and HP will not be able to sell those 9000 monsters either. Go out and price one of those 32 way Unisys Intel boxes. Last I checked they were like twice the price of an E10000. And of course, the *nix OSes that go with them, like Solaris and HP/UX will go away too. I'm not trolling, I love both of those dearly, but I think they will go away. Linux will take their place. And you notice, I did not say IBM will lose its high end market share, and what are they doing differently? Running Linux on everything they have that plugs into the wall. Yeah, AIX 5.2 has some new goodies in it, but Linux is really gaining ground there. And the new blade servers will kick ass. Remember, we all love our favorite operating systems, but it's all about the hardware. Unix will not go away, it kicks far too much ass, but M$ will gain market share as others build these bigger boxes.
Dunno, apparently they will be showing the Chinese the code branch without the NSA backdoors?
Yeah, really. They should just stick to motorcycles, it's what they're really good at anyway.
I guess the French government is not owned by the corporations? Man, that is refreshing. Where did they come up with that one. Shit, I'll drop my rifle and run any day for that.
Uh, no. It is illegal here, and called entrapment. At least it used to be until they started making up the laws as they go. And any decent lawyer will get you out of that drug house sting any day of the week. Not that the cops care, their job is just to scare people.
I definitely agree with the sooo bad part... the rest I'm not so sure about.
They must have been terrorists. I'm sure they are in Cuba by now. Houses sold, assets frozen and confiscated. Or they violated the DMCA. Can that land you in Guantanamo these days? Or is violating the DMCA now the same as being a terrorist? It's so confusing, really. I guess I probably should not be writing this. I think they're coming for me now...
In Soviet Russia (no, this is not one of those jokes) they had a name for the person who turned you in. They called them a Stukatch (bad transcription from the Cyrillic, sorry). It was an offtake on the word Stuk, or "knock". If your neighbor did not like you, or disagreed with your "morals" they would turn you in, and soon enough you would get that knock.
Okay, I agree with every part of your post. But let's realize, it is AOL. This is a company that panders to the lowest form of internet users (outside of spammers I would say). I have talked with many people who have worked for them, none of whom were exactly mensa members. Even if their security is pristine, and even if someone did not crack it this round, someone will. All of a sudden, the whole world knows what a juicy bit of goodies this customer database is. Besides, it doesn't matter how good the firewalls are configured, or how many levels of internal private networks you have. Most companies I have done security for you could walk out of the datacenter with the whole friggin' server with little more than a smile and a fake name. I'm sure AOL is not much better.
Oh yeah, almost forgot, the guys who started this board used to log into my BBS. Nostalgia will kill you, it really will... I remember when the only reliable board was running Wildcat over at the now named Careerline Tech center.
Telegard was the BOMB! And long distance charges? Obviously you never heard of Code Thief? I really, really miss those days of the BBSes. A real sense of community.
Just because you clowns listen to the same 2300 songs over and over again does not mean the rest of us do. Realistically, that amounts to less than 200 cds. I had that many cds (or records as the case may be, sheesh) when I was 12. Some folks listen to more than one type of music, yes, it is hard to believe. Some people even listen to all types of music (okay, I hate country, but many people like it). It is very easy to have 10,000 tracks, agreed though, 32000 is a lot, but not morally wrong. I do not think the poster asked you to rate his music collection, nor like me, does he probably care. I also do not believe apple went out and asked a bunch of music fans how many songs they had. Some dumbass developer just said, well, 32000 sounds like a nice round number. It is a sad fact that many product developers do not take "reality" into account when they develop software. "Oh, it works with five songs, I'm sure it will work with 5,000". Not a sane presumption. Ever. Just because you do not have 32,000 tracks does not mean no one should have that many.
You mean with one earring and a ship? Arrrr, I have a lot of mp3s...arrrr.
I think they are talking more about vendors like BEA. Which, come on, give me a freakin' break. Finally people have realized that 35K per CPU licensing for a Java application server compared to 0K for Tomcat is just ludicrous. And iPlanet, yeah, for as much as they paid for that guy, I guarantee they do care. They should have stuck to just being a web server, because as an app server it is the biggest piece of crap ever coded (or damn close). I don't think microsoft even cares, as you noted, and definitely agree on the IBM thing, WebSphere is the sum of the parts and a solid product. Big Blue will always be able to push whatever they want, does the phrase "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" ring a bell? Of course, if they could just get MQ to be stable on M$ platforms, they would take over the world (or did that already happen?)
Great troll. Reminds me of the many C++ programmers I work with (C++ is awesome BTW, for what it's worth). They are always dissing Perl because it is a "hack". Whatever you say, but say it louder when my "hack" program can do fairly complex things with half the development time. They both have their uses. When I write product code, I use C++. When I write utility code I use Perl. It's hard to explain to them that something they do not understand may not in fact be evil. We mock what we do not understand.
Maybe the machines didn't know what chicken tastes like...
So this is the country we live in. Above all else, it should scare the crap out of us that a US district attorney was not smart enough to figure this one out:
The satellite TV industry and the Motion Picture Association of America lose millions of dollars from piracy, he noted.
How the f*** does the MPAA and the satellite industry "lose" money? Is it falling out of their pockets? Are these pirates stealing it from the bank? This suggests two things, that the interception of these signals costs them money. What, do they have to boost their signals more because more people are receiving them? WTF? So we are assuming that all of these people illegally intercepting these signals would be paying a monthly fee for their service if they were not hacking? Please, I don't think so. I don't hack directv, but the people I know who do wouldn't give them a dime. Ever. So how are they "losing" money again?
What "satellite box" are you talking about? There is not "box" that gets hacked in this scenario. There is a card that can get hacked, but this is secondary. Let's take the example of an emulation setup for said devices. In this case, the datastream coming from the satellite provider can be logged on the emulation system without reverse engineering, "hacking", or modifying the conditional access system. One of the things the satellite provider may do is send signals down to your purchased system to alter the contents of its ROM, and change the functionality within your receiver. Any reverse engineering/hacking can be justified if it is to stop this alteration from occurring. To say that nothing legitimate can come from this hacking is obviously coming from someone that knows very little about how these systems work.
Their only viable use is to steal copyrighted presentation of satellite service
Not to be rude, but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about here. That statement is just as true as saying there is no legitimate use for DeCSS outside of making illegal copies of DVDs. The knife analogy stands here, you can reverse engineer anything you like, but as soon as you do something illegal (actually receive and watch these broadcasts, then yes, that should be prosecuted. Until that time, apparently you are guilty until proven innocent. Tell you what, go out to the net and order an ISO 7816 standard smart card programmer. I can almost guarantee you will receive a letter from DirecTV saying that you have done something illegal, and they expect you to pay them $3500 with no proof you have done anything and no due process. This will occur even if you have been using said programmer to code conditional access systems generally available (i.e. Sun's SunRay systems). Thank you for this broad generalization that justifies our current Gestapo regime. Because remember folks, those poor defenseless corporations need to be protected from us evil consumers out to get them.
Why did they call the leper hockey game?
There was a face off in the corner.
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And he is evil, in case no one else has noticed. How is him owning Dave better than SBC? At least SBC probably is not into extorting from its customers, as Dave is so happy to do.
Agreed. I think the easies thing to do would be to install cameras in everyone's houses. That would solve all of our problems with terrorism and people doing anything illegal in general. Where can I get mine?
I'm a Canadian and the reek of hubris from across the 49th parallel is stunning!
I guess, but I figured you people couldn't smell any of it from blocking all of our media at the border.
I was wondering the same thing. Now I can do what I was doing anyway, but now I'm a patriot? Although I will say doing it for the government kinda loses its appeal. So conflicted...