yeah, but before all this happened, using freshrpms was the single easiest way to get mplayer and xmms with mp3 support AFAIC. Previously, I had to search down all the source tarballs *and* dependencies. Now, I hope the fedora apt can use freshrpms repositories too.
Yes... kinda feeling old (I just turned 36) but I remember when Voyager was launched. It was emotional then, and its emotional now. Think: back then, 640k was a *lot*, and the standard logic was 7xxx series TTL chips. Dunno what CPU, but I doubt it was anything so advanced as a Z-80. Dunno what firmware either, if any - coulda been hardwired. Can't remember shit here.
Now, if you ask me: That's a beautiful piece of engineering, that we're still getting some use from.
It's already had some sensor damage, etc; the main question is how long the remaining sensors hold up, IMHO.
Pretty much in agreement here. However, if SuSE/Novell wants a piece of RedHat's user base, they'd better be prepared to act quickly. There's not much stopping other mega-corps from going after it, I imagine. FWIW, I've never had a problem (as a hobbyist) with purchasing boxed sets to support my favorite companies, usually every major release.
I stand corrected; setup is very different from install.. the last time I saw the text interface was for an NT4 machine, quite a while ago. The XP stuff I've done was upgrades from '98.
True, about the new linux installers; I've never had a real problem with them, tho I still wonder if some of them might be too technical (at least for the users I know).
OTOH, I *have* had probs with hardware that was created for a windows world, especially scanners, printers, and cameras.
Maybe he's just being realistic? Don't get me wrong, I've used RH daily since 5.2. I've also supported Win9.x and XP for friends, family, and co-workers. When a linux distro has that slick of an install ("Just click "next""...), along with *all* the device drivers, it'll really take off on the desktop.
And that's the catch-22, IMHO. I believe that the truly successful desktop linux company/distro will pay most all of their attention to simplifying and integrating things in the GUI, and 3/4 of their devel's will be device driver people. Why do I say this? because, people buy computers for its devices. Device manufacturers won't be arsed to write linux drivers until it has a much larger market. It won't have that larger market until you can plug XYZ into a USB port without thinking, cuz it had a penguin sticker on the box.
Not flamebait at all, you ask a fairly insightful question.
"Why do the intentions of the Founding Fathers mean so much to Americans? Those ideals were set down a long time ago, and times have changed a lot."
I don't have an absolutely and unarguably true answer for you, even as an American. I will say this, however:
Perhaps the true genius of the Founders lay in being able to codify the true nature of humanity into an overall sustainable "rule of law" (my quotes). They recognized that people and their behavior haven't really changed a bit in milenia, so they sought to deal with human nature as such instead of as ideally.
To use your own statement: "Those Ideals were set down a long time ago and times have changed a lot" This is quite true. However, human nature hasn't changed a bit.
... So maybe *now* its time to finish that career change/degree, now that everybody's done taking their profits? Gah. It'll only be the 2nd time I've been through that. No, I am *not* in any hurry this time around.
Strange.. (and funny). But last I heard, Alexy Kuznetsov was responsible for the TCP/IP stack. AC has more to do with IDE disks, serial drivers, and the module architecture in general.
If I'm wrong, or just *way* behind the times, would somebody please let me know?
(perhaps I'll have a more humourous attitude in the AM)
+1, Informative. I've been thru this all along; the change to 2.6.0 is very reminiscient of going to 2.0 or an SMP box (both in my case).
FWIW, I was playing with 2.6.0-test8 -mm1 this AM and wasn't pushing it very hard at all; I still ended up *decelerating* my mouse by about 20%, and had no hangs or slowdowns at all under loads such as re-compiling itself while watching videos, etc. This is on a RH9 box with updates.
"Gain three inches in 30 days or your money back !!!" (Rolls eyes)
Seriously though, I can see a use for these at work, where the main office is 4 people, 3 computers, and some visitors crammed into an 10x12 foot area... and those blueprints take up a *lot* of table space.
Aha! So the burning sensation when I pee is *not* necessarily from the electric fence! True scientists should try to seriously consider *every* possible cause...
Bwahahaha, thank you, I thought *I* was the only one who caught this. That, or somebody just got trolled by a lightweight.
FWIW, last I heard AC has his own branch, which is quite popular in RH and mdk circles it seems. He's also going back to school and taking it easy on the bleeding-edge devel stuff for awhile. I won't argue that he's earned it.
For myself, I follow the current -mm tree pretty closely, preferring minimal patching. Its a joy to use so far, but I'm not doing enterprise stuff or hard testing either.
As usual it seems that Linus "knows" when to lock shit down and stabilize. My predictions for the point releases or even 2.7 include (in order): a disk I/O and/or IDE re-write (long overdue), ditto for serial and FB devices. More merges/cleanups for SCSI.
*Really* olid (Yes, its a word; look it up.) devices are being dropped like flies and poison; it's about time IMHO. I expect this trend to continue.
Probably there will also be the usual FS fixes and some newer DB and security stuff -- probably merging towards simplifying the framework via common atomic ops.
There's probably going to be more convergence between the "enterprise" features and the "real-world" features during the next year or so.
Just my predictions, if anyone can make use of them. This reflects the trends I've seen so far anyway.
"... was an attempt at maximizing the shareholder value of the sale."
It's nice to know when all your hard earned dollars and effort are being used as a pawn in somebody's power/money play. I tend to remember things like that.
No, it does *not* shackle anyone who uses the software. It only shackles those who *distrtibute* the software.
Yes, we are trying to free the humans and choose to do it this way.IMHO, it can be said that some humans do not want to be free, or that they are a slave to some thing; even to themselves.
I could go on, but I'll do a private essay for a later date. Suffice it to say that IMO its very much a cultural collision.
How high will Mr. Ballmer jump? How quickly can he shout "Developers!"? Maybe this will motivate him to do the encore I'm stil waiting for... it renders beautifully with mplayer, I keep them around for test clips.
Why is it the Government's job to "...restore balance between the need for profits and the lure of offshore outsourcing"? Those sound like business issues, not governance issues.
FWIW, I don't see a very fine line between profit-taking and being obscene gluttons - it's more like a mile-wide gulf.
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BTW, who the *FUCK* thought my (previous) nostalgic post was worthy flamebait?
yeah, but before all this happened, using freshrpms was the single easiest way to get mplayer and xmms with mp3 support AFAIC. Previously, I had to search down all the source tarballs *and* dependencies. Now, I hope the fedora apt can use freshrpms repositories too.
Yes... kinda feeling old (I just turned 36) but I remember when Voyager was launched. It was emotional then, and its emotional now. Think: back then, 640k was a *lot*, and the standard logic was 7xxx series TTL chips. Dunno what CPU, but I doubt it was anything so advanced as a Z-80. Dunno what firmware either, if any - coulda been hardwired. Can't remember shit here.
Now, if you ask me: That's a beautiful piece of engineering, that we're still getting some use from.
It's already had some sensor damage, etc; the main question is how long the remaining sensors hold up, IMHO.
*...sniff...*
True enough. And whose decision(s) caused this to happen?
"...unfortunately has nothing to do with being a leader in the market space you operate in.
Then what does?
Pretty much in agreement here. However, if SuSE/Novell wants a piece of RedHat's user base, they'd better be prepared to act quickly. There's not much stopping other mega-corps from going after it, I imagine. FWIW, I've never had a problem (as a hobbyist) with purchasing boxed sets to support my favorite companies, usually every major release.
Bingo - you just said what I meant, only better. Thanks for helping make my point, much better!
I stand corrected; setup is very different from install.. the last time I saw the text interface was for an NT4 machine, quite a while ago. The XP stuff I've done was upgrades from '98. True, about the new linux installers; I've never had a real problem with them, tho I still wonder if some of them might be too technical (at least for the users I know). OTOH, I *have* had probs with hardware that was created for a windows world, especially scanners, printers, and cameras.
Maybe he's just being realistic? Don't get me wrong, I've used RH daily since 5.2. I've also supported Win9.x and XP for friends, family, and co-workers. When a linux distro has that slick of an install ("Just click "next""...), along with *all* the device drivers, it'll really take off on the desktop.
And that's the catch-22, IMHO. I believe that the truly successful desktop linux company/distro will pay most all of their attention to simplifying and integrating things in the GUI, and 3/4 of their devel's will be device driver people. Why do I say this? because, people buy computers for its devices. Device manufacturers won't be arsed to write linux drivers until it has a much larger market. It won't have that larger market until you can plug XYZ into a USB port without thinking, cuz it had a penguin sticker on the box.
Actually, I *would* pay to hear what Microsoft execs are thinking about this.
"Why do the intentions of the Founding Fathers mean so much to Americans? Those ideals were set down a long time ago, and times have changed a lot."
I don't have an absolutely and unarguably true answer for you, even as an American. I will say this, however:
Perhaps the true genius of the Founders lay in being able to codify the true nature of humanity into an overall sustainable "rule of law" (my quotes). They recognized that people and their behavior haven't really changed a bit in milenia, so they sought to deal with human nature as such instead of as ideally.
To use your own statement: "Those Ideals were set down a long time ago and times have changed a lot" This is quite true. However, human nature hasn't changed a bit.
... So maybe *now* its time to finish that career change/degree, now that everybody's done taking their profits? Gah. It'll only be the 2nd time I've been through that. No, I am *not* in any hurry this time around.
Strange.. (and funny). But last I heard, Alexy Kuznetsov was responsible for the TCP/IP stack. AC has more to do with IDE disks, serial drivers, and the module architecture in general.
If I'm wrong, or just *way* behind the times, would somebody please let me know?
(perhaps I'll have a more humourous attitude in the AM)
Thank $DEITY I had clean underwear after seeing that headline... time to re-stock my 'net glovebox tho...
How about dialup users like me?
+1, Informative. I've been thru this all along; the change to 2.6.0 is very reminiscient of going to 2.0 or an SMP box (both in my case).
FWIW, I was playing with 2.6.0-test8 -mm1 this AM and wasn't pushing it very hard at all; I still ended up *decelerating* my mouse by about 20%, and had no hangs or slowdowns at all under loads such as re-compiling itself while watching videos, etc. This is on a RH9 box with updates.
"Gain three inches in 30 days or your money back !!!" (Rolls eyes)
Seriously though, I can see a use for these at work, where the main office is 4 people, 3 computers, and some visitors crammed into an 10x12 foot area... and those blueprints take up a *lot* of table space.
Aha! So the burning sensation when I pee is *not* necessarily from the electric fence! True scientists should try to seriously consider *every* possible cause...
Bwahahaha, thank you, I thought *I* was the only one who caught this. That, or somebody just got trolled by a lightweight.
FWIW, last I heard AC has his own branch, which is quite popular in RH and mdk circles it seems. He's also going back to school and taking it easy on the bleeding-edge devel stuff for awhile. I won't argue that he's earned it.
For myself, I follow the current -mm tree pretty closely, preferring minimal patching. Its a joy to use so far, but I'm not doing enterprise stuff or hard testing either.
As usual it seems that Linus "knows" when to lock shit down and stabilize. My predictions for the point releases or even 2.7 include (in order): a disk I/O and/or IDE re-write (long overdue), ditto for serial and FB devices. More merges/cleanups for SCSI.
*Really* olid (Yes, its a word; look it up.) devices are being dropped like flies and poison; it's about time IMHO. I expect this trend to continue.
Probably there will also be the usual FS fixes and some newer DB and security stuff -- probably merging towards simplifying the framework via common atomic ops.
There's probably going to be more convergence between the "enterprise" features and the "real-world" features during the next year or so.
Just my predictions, if anyone can make use of them. This reflects the trends I've seen so far anyway.
It's nice to know when all your hard earned dollars and effort are being used as a pawn in somebody's power/money play. I tend to remember things like that.
Yes, we are trying to free the humans and choose to do it this way.IMHO, it can be said that some humans do not want to be free, or that they are a slave to some thing; even to themselves.
I could go on, but I'll do a private essay for a later date. Suffice it to say that IMO its very much a cultural collision.
How high will Mr. Ballmer jump? How quickly can he shout "Developers!"? Maybe this will motivate him to do the encore I'm stil waiting for... it renders beautifully with mplayer, I keep them around for test clips.
Why is it the Government's job to "...restore balance between the need for profits and the lure of offshore outsourcing"? Those sound like business issues, not governance issues.
FWIW, I don't see a very fine line between profit-taking and being obscene gluttons - it's more like a mile-wide gulf.
hey, wait a minute. Is this why they have USB on some of those grills?
well, this is pretty nifty, wireless and all. My friends 1982 Cadilac doesn't have that, but he *swears* it has a power ass-scratcher...
tinfoil hat time for me: maybe they have a *use* for collecting all those typos? Just an idea...