"Is this comment really from the same breed of people that take enormous pride in pluralizing "box" to "boxen", and use other jargon terms that tend to be playful about language rules ("coolitude" etc) - but that are clearly deviant English - just to make a point of knowing how to talk the talk, to make a point of being one in the group?"
Actually, yes. "De facto" usage is how spoken English works; written forms tend to change much more slowly. Changes tend to lead to debates such as the current discussion on Slashdot. These are just my own observations; I'm not an authority, though English has always been my strongest skill. I'm willing to bet that most of the language has evolved in exactly the way you describe, and even more so in the specialized areas of it.
Perhaps Slashdot needs a "Linguistics" section to cover both human and machine languages? At least that way I could see a post relevant to the article, instead of a debate over the author's usage.
You may have a large mass of slime still, but it probably has more individual organisms (network nodes) in it. Maybe the plurality question is one of scale or scope?
Thanks for the info, its good to know. It wasn't obvious to me since I've just been grabbing the "vanilla" 2.6.x sources and applying the relevant -mm patches from kernel.org FTP.
Also, another poster has noted that I need to do a "make moveold" when building module-init-tools. (I was editing modules.conf manually *after* the builds, previously.)
AKPM is definitely rockin' and rollin' now. 2.6.x is gonna be the big winner for quite a while, IMHO. Sort of like it was when 2.0 came out. I still believe that desktop and app integration (like Xandros) will make a larger difference for overall linux adoption; 2.6.x is the icing on the cake.
Thanks again for the info, I've got to go do some builds! (Scurries off to build 2.6.10-mm1)
Andrew just released a -mm1 patch for -test10; I just grabbed it from kernel.org. I bet it's a couple weeks before he has another patch (if any), and then it goes into production. If I can make it load iptables correctly, it's probably what I'll stick with until RH/Fedora has their own version. FWIW, I've been saving all my.config file versions and building it the old way with bzImage, modules, modules_install and install, in that order, with LILO.
Oops, sorry; just parsed your "test11" as "test1". Hope someone can use my post anyway.
The only real problem I've had is getting iptables started correctly on RH9 with updates, patches, and some fedora stuff. Yes, I know about module-init-tools. If it wasn't for that, I'd be using it daily right now. Ideas? How can I get the iptables modules to load cleanly?
I've tried several -test kernels, and the desktop performance boost blows my mind. I could probably stay with -test10 and akpm's patches, but that's not what the kernel team is really looking for (I think). Last I heard, They really want people to hammer on stuff like PnP, scalability, USB, and ACPI.
Any ideas on how much akpm's patches end up becoming "mainstream"? After reading the changelogs (and using the patches), I think it'd be a good idea.
This somehow reminds me... of what happened with calculators and wristwatches. No wories about speed vs. size there, either. I'm betting that supercomputers will fit into a full-tower case within my lifetime, say another 50 yrs. I'll also bet that they become *much* more accessible to businesses, etc.
Probably just me, but an overtly social work environment feels dismal, shallow, and drags down my morale. I thank God for my boss and co-workers; it's not unusual to get through the day with only three sentences spoken, and a lot of our communication is totally silent (i.e., facial expression, etc. We (6 of us) are all in 1 area.)) Management prefers to leave us alone (no meetings) because we work beter that way; they don't have to do anything except give us the specs. It's been like this for over a year now and our dept. either meets or beats expectations every time, going into production. I imagine it helps that I'm the old-timer and we've all been working together for a few years now; that makes things easier.
I'm willing to bet that the single most effective "threat" response I could send back involves my lawyer. In other words, legal and financial violence, *not* physical. Companies tend to pay attention to stuff like that.
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Do you seriously believe that they are going so much as file suit against an HP customer...
That's a cool $50 mil for Sun, I hope it goes OK for them! Ya gotta be kidding, wondering if scalability is gonna be relevant in China. Things like grid computing and supporting their financial and space programs come to mind, over vast distances.
I wish they had stuff this bad in my day. I was the know-it all smart-assed geek who hated jocks and got the crap beaten out of me almost daily. Even the boy scout troop gave me a dirty swirlie in an outhouse.
Revenge is sweet tho; all these big jocks are MBA's now and pay big $$$ for their websites, etc. Of course, my *own* sites are free...:D
Wish I had mod points for that, +5, insightful any day for that observation. Bummer most./ers seem to get so hung up on other aspects of RMS. As if his beard has anything to do with what he believes in and stands for.
Just imagine what an awkward bind RMS is in about this. Back in the day, he started the whole GNU/FSF thing because of corps like IBM, and the behavior he so despised is now embodied by SCO. Meanwhile, he as to get along with a kernel that relies on GNU software and steals the show while doing it. It's a wonder we don't hear more out of him around here (hint,hint). Personally, I'd like to know what brand of antacid he uses.
Never mind the backdoors. I've noticed over the years that the occasional spammer wanders in to the kernel mail-list, probably by accident... and is never heard from again. IMHO, somebody's mail admin needs a raise.
On a slightly related note, I'm reminded of Bob Toxen's anecdote from his grey-hat days when he hacked the US Navy, or some such. Did it by way of a backdoor in the compiler IIRC. Can't be bothered to dig out the book at the moment, but you might want to get a copy of the 1st edition and check out his site at realworldlinuxsecurity.com.
I see a lesson in this: The oldest tricks are probably the best, or else they wouldn't live long enough to be "old".
I'm a LKML subscriber, so yeah I'll say this: Larry McVoy's gonna be pissed, and $DEITY help whoever...
If you think the flamewars and trolling is nasty here, you should see them over there, trust me on that.
Same experience here, tho I did make it partway through the tutorial and demos. I'm definitely not a CG pro, despite 3+ years of art school (traditional media).
I'm a strong believer in open systems and software tho; I was one of the original contributors to the Blender Foundation when they had to buy their code base. So, I'm just thrilled that the OSS community was able to save this project, and now its taking off.
Definitely, I'll have to try the new version ASAP.
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Good one! ("Gude wunn!"). Too bad it's ("it is") too long ("lang") for the 120-char .sig limit. Regardless, I saved it to my .sigs file. Thank you!
Actually, yes. "De facto" usage is how spoken English works; written forms tend to change much more slowly. Changes tend to lead to debates such as the current discussion on Slashdot. These are just my own observations; I'm not an authority, though English has always been my strongest skill. I'm willing to bet that most of the language has evolved in exactly the way you describe, and even more so in the specialized areas of it.
Perhaps Slashdot needs a "Linguistics" section to cover both human and machine languages? At least that way I could see a post relevant to the article, instead of a debate over the author's usage.
You may have a large mass of slime still, but it probably has more individual organisms (network nodes) in it. Maybe the plurality question is one of scale or scope?
(Mutters to self: "Damnit, where's a few points when I need 'em?")
Also, another poster has noted that I need to do a "make moveold" when building module-init-tools. (I was editing modules.conf manually *after* the builds, previously.)
AKPM is definitely rockin' and rollin' now. 2.6.x is gonna be the big winner for quite a while, IMHO. Sort of like it was when 2.0 came out. I still believe that desktop and app integration (like Xandros) will make a larger difference for overall linux adoption; 2.6.x is the icing on the cake.
Thanks again for the info, I've got to go do some builds! (Scurries off to build 2.6.10-mm1)
Andrew just released a -mm1 patch for -test10; I just grabbed it from kernel.org. I bet it's a couple weeks before he has another patch (if any), and then it goes into production. If I can make it load iptables correctly, it's probably what I'll stick with until RH/Fedora has their own version. FWIW, I've been saving all my .config file versions and building it the old way with bzImage, modules, modules_install and install, in that order, with LILO.
Oops, sorry; just parsed your "test11" as "test1". Hope someone can use my post anyway.
The only real problem I've had is getting iptables started correctly on RH9 with updates, patches, and some fedora stuff. Yes, I know about module-init-tools. If it wasn't for that, I'd be using it daily right now. Ideas? How can I get the iptables modules to load cleanly?
Any ideas on how much akpm's patches end up becoming "mainstream"? After reading the changelogs (and using the patches), I think it'd be a good idea.
I just use a 3-hole punch and binders.
My books are by subject, my hard drives by Filesystem Heirarchy Standard. Everything else is by relative amount of decomposition.
True; another poster has noted that power is relative. I love the setup I have now, and I'm amazed that I got anything done in 1983.
This somehow reminds me... of what happened with calculators and wristwatches. No wories about speed vs. size there, either. I'm betting that supercomputers will fit into a full-tower case within my lifetime, say another 50 yrs. I'll also bet that they become *much* more accessible to businesses, etc.
Probably just me, but an overtly social work environment feels dismal, shallow, and drags down my morale. I thank God for my boss and co-workers; it's not unusual to get through the day with only three sentences spoken, and a lot of our communication is totally silent (i.e., facial expression, etc. We (6 of us) are all in 1 area.)) Management prefers to leave us alone (no meetings) because we work beter that way; they don't have to do anything except give us the specs. It's been like this for over a year now and our dept. either meets or beats expectations every time, going into production. I imagine it helps that I'm the old-timer and we've all been working together for a few years now; that makes things easier.
I'm willing to bet that the single most effective "threat" response I could send back involves my lawyer. In other words, legal and financial violence, *not* physical. Companies tend to pay attention to stuff like that.
Actually, it wouldn't surprise me at this point.
Or at least scratching big hairless monkey.
That's a cool $50 mil for Sun, I hope it goes OK for them! Ya gotta be kidding, wondering if scalability is gonna be relevant in China. Things like grid computing and supporting their financial and space programs come to mind, over vast distances.
Revenge is sweet tho; all these big jocks are MBA's now and pay big $$$ for their websites, etc. Of course, my *own* sites are free... :D
Wish I had mod points for that, +5, insightful any day for that observation. Bummer most ./ers seem to get so hung up on other aspects of RMS. As if his beard has anything to do with what he believes in and stands for.
Just imagine what an awkward bind RMS is in about this. Back in the day, he started the whole GNU/FSF thing because of corps like IBM, and the behavior he so despised is now embodied by SCO. Meanwhile, he as to get along with a kernel that relies on GNU software and steals the show while doing it. It's a wonder we don't hear more out of him around here (hint,hint). Personally, I'd like to know what brand of antacid he uses.
BTW, cool idea for your distro - I'll keep an eye on it!
cuz I'm running out of naked people to x-ray...
Never mind the backdoors. I've noticed over the years that the occasional spammer wanders in to the kernel mail-list, probably by accident... and is never heard from again. IMHO, somebody's mail admin needs a raise.
I see a lesson in this: The oldest tricks are probably the best, or else they wouldn't live long enough to be "old".
I'm a LKML subscriber, so yeah I'll say this: Larry McVoy's gonna be pissed, and $DEITY help whoever...
If you think the flamewars and trolling is nasty here, you should see them over there, trust me on that.
Same experience here, tho I did make it partway through the tutorial and demos. I'm definitely not a CG pro, despite 3+ years of art school (traditional media).
I'm a strong believer in open systems and software tho; I was one of the original contributors to the Blender Foundation when they had to buy their code base. So, I'm just thrilled that the OSS community was able to save this project, and now its taking off.
Definitely, I'll have to try the new version ASAP.