I really don't think something like this will ever happen. Slackware does and should continue to come with some sort of GNOME installation.
When I first tried Linux I started with Mandrake/KDE. It was pretty good, but eventually I tried to install something that wasn't prepackaged for my distro and soon came to realize what "RPM Hell" was. Soon after a friend introduced Slackware to me. I was immediately impressed by its simplicity and have used it since. Around the same time I tried out GNOME, and was hooked. Over the years I have tried many other distros and new versions of KDE, but Slackware/GNOME is for me. Dropline has only improved on the experience.
What I hope for is that Todd and Patrick will work together to make sure that a version of Dropline GNOME is included. That way Patrick won't have to deal with compiling it himself, and those people without bandwidth won't have to spend a day installing GNOME on their system.
Of course, the best case scenario would be that the GNOME build process gets improved to the point where you will be able to type just a few commands and let it go wild with the entire build process. I hear KDE is much like this and GNOME should be too! Garnome is great and all, but it could probably be handled even better.
If Slackware were to lose GNOME support entirely, I would surely stop using it. </rant>
/me is currently using Dropline Gnome 2.8.0 on all my machines and loving it!
Actually UT2003, NWN, Quake2, Quake3, and every game I've played in both Windows and Linux has run faster in Linux. Thats comparing framerates from Linux against the ones in Win98SE, Win2K, and WinXP. Also about half of the games I've ran in Wine and WineX run faster in Linux. I've even tested on about five different hardware configurations that yeilded the same results. Maybe you should just accept that you probably have things setup improperly and try asking for help rather than complaining about how "it doesn't work".
Linux is not for ordinary people. It's for computer enthusiasts.
I have to disagree entirely. I set up a computer for my Mom, somebody who had never used a computer before, with Slackware 9 and Dropline GNOME on it.She surfs the web, emails friends/family, prints stuff out, and is even getting pretty good at drawing with the GIMP!
I think people who keep saying Linux isn't ready for the desktop haven't taken a good look lately.
I suggest you take a closer look at Linux's desktop capabilities and stop spreading FUD!
Scary....I was just talking to a friend about attempting to make an OSS version of Ford's EEC (IV or V) with nothing but software and some jerry-rigged type of wiring harness. I definately think it is possible.
I haven't had time to get into trying it just yet, but after recent issues with my car (fixed now), I thought up the idea. If time permits and I actually do get something hacked up, I will surely post it as OSS for all the world to play.
Then again, if I or somebody did make something like this...what would Ford's reaction be? I mean with all the casual sueing going on recently.
I actually just encoded my entire MP3 collection to OGG using oggenc v1.0's -q1 option, but as far as real world quality goes, the only difference I notice between the MP3's (192Kbit) and the OGG's (96Kbit) is that the OGG's are smaller. I just gained 600MB of my hard drive back.
This is exactly why I'm writing my own file manager for GNOME. Nautilus just wasn't written to handle the things that make a file manager competetive these days. The one I am writing is called GFileRunner. Its not finished yet, but it is already fairly usable.
I'm currently working on the finishing touches to a module subsystem so that GFileRunner can support these types of things. That will hopefully make the GNOME desktop more of a competitor with KDE.
I have tried Nautilus 2. It's slow as hell too! If you don't notice it, then it just means you've been too fsck'ng lazy to actually try anything else to actually see how bad Nautilus really is for yourself.
RedHat is not the Microsoft of the Linux world and it never will be.
Personally I wouldn't be caught dead using RedHat or one of it's derivitives because I don't like the RPM system or the fact that their startup scripts are bloated....but that is my choice.
Using Linux is about having the choice to chose something without being locked into some arcane EULA from some monopolistic, bullys. This is what makes this industry so great! We have the choice to use or refuse any software. Including RedHat's distro...
Also, all of these choices creates better competition and encourages innovation and improvement.
The point is, RedHat will not be another Microsoft because we won't let them. I have faith that the general public will also wisen up in the years to come.
Hello!? IPC anyone. All that I have to say is that due to the Athlon XP's superior IPC (Instructions Per Clock) the Intel P4's have to be roughly 400MHz faster to be equivilant in real world performance.
Oh, and for those who don't already know the IPC on P4's is 6, while the IPC on an Athlon XP is 9. So theoretically this makes the Athlons 33% faster. Mind you their are many other factors that come into play but here is another one for you.
When Intel released the P4's and realized that they performed worse than the equivilant P3's Intel decided to bump up the FSB & RAM specs, on-die cache and even changed the socked design. To me this seems like Intel was desperate to feel as though they hadn't been wasting their time on a chip that didn't perform as well as its predicessors.
Yet another tid-bit, Intel is up to 266MHz FSB double pumped (effectively 533MHz FSB) and AMD, due to good design and engineering, has been able to keep up/surpass them using half of that. AMD Athlon XP's FSB is 133MHz double pumped (evectively 266MHz) and they are just now to the point where they need to bump it up again.
One last example of the superior engineering at AMD is the Socket 7 design (okay, who all remembers here...). Intel said that it was a useless design after the ~233MHz Pentiums, but AMD lasted competitively using the same socket design until they quit at a whopping 550Mhz. Now, THAT is engineering my friends.
First off, no I don't develop for the moregroupware project, but I have used it. I used an older version of it at a company that I used to work for (and they still use it). I set up a normal mail server so they could setup Outlook for email if they are lazy, or they could just log in via a webpage.
Granted it's not an end all solution, but anyone with a little bit of PHP knowledge can create modules specifically for whatever they want.
Anyhow, moregroupware worked out wonderfully for me as an exchange replacement. Plus all the data I kept in an MySQL server for backup purposes.
PS. www.moregroupware.com
- Cheers, I have no sig -
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For anybody not using Gentoo and wanting to get their own FreeNX/NX server setup you can try going through my HOWTO:
http://www.gnomeuser.org/documents/howto/nx.html
Also for all the GNOME users out there.
I've never had any issues with GNOME and FreeNX/NX when setup this way.
Good luck!
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I really don't think something like this will ever happen.
/me is currently using Dropline Gnome 2.8.0 on all my machines and loving it!
Slackware does and should continue to come with some sort of GNOME installation.
When I first tried Linux I started with Mandrake/KDE. It was pretty good, but eventually I tried to install something that wasn't prepackaged for my distro and soon came to realize what "RPM Hell" was. Soon after a friend introduced Slackware to me. I was immediately impressed by its simplicity and have used it since. Around the same time I tried out GNOME, and was hooked. Over the years I have tried many other distros and new versions of KDE, but Slackware/GNOME is for me. Dropline has only improved on the experience.
What I hope for is that Todd and Patrick will work together to make sure that a version of Dropline GNOME is included. That way Patrick won't have to deal with compiling it himself, and those people without bandwidth won't have to spend a day installing GNOME on their system.
Of course, the best case scenario would be that the GNOME build process gets improved to the point where you will be able to type just a few commands and let it go wild with the entire build process. I hear KDE is much like this and GNOME should be too! Garnome is great and all, but it could probably be handled even better.
If Slackware were to lose GNOME support entirely, I would surely stop using it.
</rant>
Actually UT2003, NWN, Quake2, Quake3, and every game I've played in both Windows and Linux has run faster in Linux. Thats comparing framerates from Linux against the ones in Win98SE, Win2K, and WinXP. Also about half of the games I've ran in Wine and WineX run faster in Linux. I've even tested on about five different hardware configurations that yeilded the same results.
Maybe you should just accept that you probably have things setup improperly and try asking for help rather than complaining about how "it doesn't work".
JOY! Now have a lossy text compression algorithm!!
If you can't feel the sarcasm, you're already dead.
Linux is not for ordinary people. It's for computer enthusiasts.
I have to disagree entirely. I set up a computer for my Mom, somebody who had never used a computer before, with Slackware 9 and Dropline GNOME on it.She surfs the web, emails friends/family, prints stuff out, and is even getting pretty good at drawing with the GIMP!
I think people who keep saying Linux isn't ready for the desktop haven't taken a good look lately.
I suggest you take a closer look at Linux's desktop capabilities and stop spreading FUD!
Scary....I was just talking to a friend about attempting to make an OSS version of Ford's EEC (IV or V) with nothing but software and some jerry-rigged type of wiring harness. I definately think it is possible.
I haven't had time to get into trying it just yet, but after recent issues with my car (fixed now), I thought up the idea. If time permits and I actually do get something hacked up, I will surely post it as OSS for all the world to play.
Then again, if I or somebody did make something like this...what would Ford's reaction be? I mean with all the casual sueing going on recently.
Oh well!
Okay everybody you can LOOK at my new CPU, but what every you do, DON'T TAKE A PICTURE!!!
....shit....
*flash*
**POP**
:)
I actually just encoded my entire MP3 collection to OGG using oggenc v1.0's -q1 option, but as far as real world quality goes, the only difference I notice between the MP3's (192Kbit) and the OGG's (96Kbit) is that the OGG's are smaller. I just gained 600MB of my hard drive back.
Blackcomb??
Is that a typo? Did they mean Clank-bomb?
There is no sig for you here.
This is exactly why I'm writing my own file manager for GNOME.
Nautilus just wasn't written to handle the things that make a file manager competetive these days.
The one I am writing is called GFileRunner. Its not finished yet, but it is already fairly usable.
I'm currently working on the finishing touches to a module subsystem so that GFileRunner can support these types of things. That will hopefully make the GNOME desktop more of a competitor with KDE.
-- Competition brings improvement.
I have tried Nautilus 2. It's slow as hell too!
If you don't notice it, then it just means you've been too fsck'ng lazy to actually try anything else to actually see how bad Nautilus really is for yourself.
I have actually found that the newer version of XFree86 (I'm using 4.2.99.1 from CVS) is faster than the older versions.
As for another tidbit...I would recommend using Slackware. I run it on my old 486 laptop w/ 16MB of RAM using the vga driver for X.
Back off...this sig is mine!!
RedHat is not the Microsoft of the Linux world and it never will be.
Personally I wouldn't be caught dead using RedHat or one of it's derivitives because I don't like the RPM system or the fact that their startup scripts are bloated....but that is my choice.
Using Linux is about having the choice to chose something without being locked into some arcane EULA from some monopolistic, bullys. This is what makes this industry so great! We have the choice to use or refuse any software. Including RedHat's distro...
Also, all of these choices creates better competition and encourages innovation and improvement.
The point is, RedHat will not be another Microsoft because we won't let them. I have faith that the general public will also wisen up in the years to come.
Hello!? IPC anyone. All that I have to say is that due to the Athlon XP's superior IPC (Instructions Per Clock) the Intel P4's have to be roughly 400MHz faster to be equivilant in real world performance.
Oh, and for those who don't already know the IPC on P4's is 6, while the IPC on an Athlon XP is 9. So theoretically this makes the Athlons 33% faster. Mind you their are many other factors that come into play but here is another one for you.
When Intel released the P4's and realized that they performed worse than the equivilant P3's Intel decided to bump up the FSB & RAM specs, on-die cache and even changed the socked design. To me this seems like Intel was desperate to feel as though they hadn't been wasting their time on a chip that didn't perform as well as its predicessors.
Yet another tid-bit, Intel is up to 266MHz FSB double pumped (effectively 533MHz FSB) and AMD, due to good design and engineering, has been able to keep up/surpass them using half of that. AMD Athlon XP's FSB is 133MHz double pumped (evectively 266MHz) and they are just now to the point where they need to bump it up again.
One last example of the superior engineering at AMD is the Socket 7 design (okay, who all remembers here...). Intel said that it was a useless design after the ~233MHz Pentiums, but AMD lasted competitively using the same socket design until they quit at a whopping 550Mhz. Now, THAT is engineering my friends.
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I have no sig.
First off, no I don't develop for the moregroupware project, but I have used it. I used an older version of it at a company that I used to work for (and they still use it). I set up a normal mail server so they could setup Outlook for email if they are lazy, or they could just log in via a webpage. Granted it's not an end all solution, but anyone with a little bit of PHP knowledge can create modules specifically for whatever they want. Anyhow, moregroupware worked out wonderfully for me as an exchange replacement. Plus all the data I kept in an MySQL server for backup purposes. PS. www.moregroupware.com - Cheers, I have no sig -
Two thoughts instantly came to mind when reading this: 1) Whoa, cool! 2) IT'S ABOUT FSCKING TIME!
"...and re-imaging."
Just thought that I'd add that re-imaging would not be needed.
It would also be possible to clone the information over to the new drive and change the ID code in the registry...
Dunno if M$ would see this as legal, but it would be a fairly easy way to go if it were possible.
Just some thoughts...