The whole idea that i need to depend on a outside party whom i lease my software from , so that I own nothing and have no control over my own computing environment does not sit well with me. It seems it should not sit well with anyone, but perhaps I'm just getting to be an old foggie.
"In any case, the likelihood that they are wondrous benevolent beings who want to give us all kinds of nice stuff without unintended consequences is basically zero. No need to attract attention. Do something useful instead."
I would add, is probably the result of a residual idea of wanting a God or gods to come to our aid and explain the universe to us.
I think people need to get over the idea that aggregate data is somehow different then data. Anyone with motivation and a little time can get the same data weather or not you aggregate it , so why make it hard.
In a society where imprisoning and or disappearing innocent people accidentally is more important then catching the maximum number of criminals and dissenters. Such a thing would not be accepted. However, that is not China.
I believe , if they could, they would simply require everyone to wear a thought monitoring device and arrest people for 'thinking wrongly'.
Of coarse, if you don't believe in free will, as required by the Chinese Communist Party embracing of atheism. I suppose it is a logical use of technology to benefit the whole at the cost of something that is an illusion.
we can buy your vote. No one will know, because you are anonymous. How many people would be willing to go vote , for whomever for $50? I could see a whole black market for votes developing.
Soo.... assuming we build this thing , we 'might' know if it works in 40 years + whatever time it takes a civilization to recognize it and try to reply ( assuming WE recognize their reply), but say it is really fast they find the signal then reply really quickly we can expect the message to take a minimum of 40 years to get there. So basically build it. Wait 100 years, before you can even BEGIN to reasonable expect a reply. ( that of coarse covers the first 2 possible planets which we have no evidence actually host life, little loan intelligent life.
sounds like your chances of success are much less then winning the lottery. I suppose why not if it doesn't cost more a few million to build and operate for 100 years.
read the defintion before you answer: https://www.google.com/search?... gain or acquire knowledge of or skill in (something) by study, experience, or being taught. "they'd started learning French"
A system that 'only' categorizes , sorts, and manipulates data , does not actually relate to it as representational of the real world, in other words it still has no 'knowledge' of the objects. They don't ACTUALLY learn they are trained. They no more learn any topic the a parrot learns to talk.
Not to say they aren't extremely useful tools, but to be useful you must keep in mind what a tool is and isn't.
Does anyone have any suggestions about a better e-mail service that is mostly free ( or for low cost) where I don't have to deal with all this mess. It was fun while it was novel but I've about lost patients now.
I'm a little too lazy / busy to set up my own e-mail server in my own domain on my house network. Nothing secure about xfinity anyway. Oh well, living it a glass house is kinda cool I guess =)
I can see places they 'could go' personal bio-metric gathering and health monitoring are interesting applications that are mostly unexplored, but there needs to be some breakthrough's in sensor tech. Also, function as the hub for other wearable devices , like AR glasses would probably require further upgrades in bandwidth speed.
Battery life is already a limiting factor though, there has been no real improvement in batteries in more then 30 years.
But do they care... most picture aren't taken to be good, they are taken to remember or commemorate a moment or event, or to communicate to someone else something about yourself.
It is kind of like the whole loss-y compression debate, for most people, most of the time , there is a good enough, and unless you are a professional , or someone who make money at it you are unlikely to have interest in paying the required premium to get passed 'good enough'.
Agreed, I've said it before and I'l say it again. Trump is a terrible president but even with all his lying, racism, and poor economic polices he isn't half as bad as Hillary would have been.
thanks for the answer, I'll add that to my long list of things that should be fixed. Our legislature should not be delegating so much authority to bureaucrats.
"We have been using your software to support the war fighter, I'm thankful to you for your help in enabling us to deliver supplies, defend our troupes and kill the bad guys. I'm sorry if that makes some of you uncomfortable, that that is what the military does, it is our job and we do it as a service to freedom of the nation" -- a actual quote I once heard at a meeting of Mission Planning Software developers.
So, let me ask all you squeamish children of hippies out there a simple question. Would you rather the U.S. military have the technology or the Chinese? Someone is going to build it, if anyone every invents it. As a matter of fact the military research arm generally considers itself to be 10 years ahead of the private sector. Remember they have rights to manufacture and use anything that is recorded in patent law, it is just cheaper for them to buy it off the self.
So, exactly what are people protesting? Software companies building software for profit? Technology being used in wars? because, that ship already sailed about 1947.
I really want rollable screens, So I can roll my map / computer with touch screen up, like a map. It would be really cool to have satellite image of where I'm standing come up whenever I unroll my map. Folding is cool too , but I fell rolling really make for better use of size:) . I wonder if there are any objective studies on that? Has someone done the math, do round this or boxes make the best use of space? Assuming the round this can bend a little bit?
So, no one should write TCP IP code because it is used to distribute child porn? And we should all work on solving trajectory optimization so we can effectively defend our country without putting solders in harms way?
I will claim ignorance here, but could someone explain to me how you KNOW a single death, little lone a concrete number of them was caused by air pollution? Contributed too? maybe. Even then , seem REALLY hard to prove unless you are using blatant coloration = cause type thinking.
so how do a say a number, that can't be reliably estimated went down? I read the abstracts and whatnot, but don't see anything publicly available that describes how they measured this. Did I miss it?
And 'what' does a teacher teach? IF a teachers job is to 'motivate and inspire' then there job is to teach 'values' 'philosophy' and 'religion' not information. It is the 'value' of knowledge that inspires, even valuing education is the product of specific world view and philosophy.
It should be the parent and the communities job to inspire and motivate, the teacher is supposed to organize , filter topics, facilitate the use of tools that impart the information the students have already come with a desire to learn.
it's not the number of people killed it's the territory made uninhabitable for 10000 years. Let's just say we have 2 Chernobyl every century. The habitable area of the earth is around 900000 sq/m and the area poisoned is around 10000 sq/ miles, however , the are where radiation is elevated in quite a bit larger area, and when you count radiation poisoning if there was two areas near each other things would get considerably worse so if you figure half the livable land was poisoned that would probably be enough to kill everyone.
so with continued uses of nuclear fuel and those criteria, you can expect the earth to uninhabitable in about 20000 years give or take. Maybe we can get it down to 1 and destroy the earth in 40000 years. if you can get the number of accidents down to say 1 every 10000 to 100000 years, they you are safe, but how do you prove you have done that?
how many natural disasters do you suppose there will be in the next 500 - 1000 years, how much human incompetence. It is utterly unpredictable, with the exception that there will certainly be some. The consequences of which, when mixed with nuclear power, will be horrendous. The reality is that as long as we keep creating nuclear fuel it is only a matter of time before something worse then Chernobyl happens either through accident, or by human malice.
And how EXACTLY do you propose to eliminate human error? or worse yet intentional Destruction? Also , we have already had these serious problems in less then 200 years. How many 'unexpected' things can happen in 10,000 years. Wars, governments collapsing, famines, etc, this stuff, and it's waste last a LONG LONG time and when it poisons an area it is on that kind of time scale.
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The whole idea that i need to depend on a outside party whom i lease my software from , so that I own nothing and have no control over my own computing environment does not sit well with me. It seems it should not sit well with anyone, but perhaps I'm just getting to be an old foggie.
"In any case, the likelihood that they are wondrous benevolent beings who want to give us all kinds of nice stuff without unintended consequences is basically zero. No need to attract attention. Do something useful instead."
I would add, is probably the result of a residual idea of wanting a God or gods to come to our aid and explain the universe to us.
I think people need to get over the idea that aggregate data is somehow different then data. Anyone with motivation and a little time can get the same data weather or not you aggregate it , so why make it hard.
In a society where imprisoning and or disappearing innocent people accidentally is more important then catching the maximum number of criminals and dissenters. Such a thing would not be accepted. However, that is not China.
I believe , if they could, they would simply require everyone to wear a thought monitoring device and arrest people for 'thinking wrongly'.
Of coarse, if you don't believe in free will, as required by the Chinese Communist Party embracing of atheism.
I suppose it is a logical use of technology to benefit the whole at the cost of something that is an illusion.
we can buy your vote. No one will know, because you are anonymous. How many people would be willing to go vote , for whomever for $50?
I could see a whole black market for votes developing.
Soo.... assuming we build this thing , we 'might' know if it works in 40 years + whatever time it takes a civilization to recognize it and try to reply ( assuming WE recognize their reply), but say it is really fast they find the signal then reply really quickly we can expect the message to take a minimum of 40 years to get there. So basically build it. Wait 100 years, before you can even BEGIN to reasonable expect a reply. ( that of coarse covers the first 2 possible planets which we have no evidence actually host life, little loan intelligent life.
sounds like your chances of success are much less then winning the lottery. I suppose why not if it doesn't cost more a few million to build and operate for 100 years.
read the defintion before you answer:
https://www.google.com/search?...
gain or acquire knowledge of or skill in (something) by study, experience, or being taught.
"they'd started learning French"
A system that 'only' categorizes , sorts, and manipulates data , does not actually relate to it as representational of the real world, in other words it
still has no 'knowledge' of the objects. They don't ACTUALLY learn they are trained. They no more learn any topic the a parrot learns to talk.
Not to say they aren't extremely useful tools, but to be useful you must keep in mind what a tool is and isn't.
Does anyone have any suggestions about a better e-mail service that is mostly free ( or for low cost) where I don't have to deal with all this mess. It was fun while it was novel but I've about lost patients now.
I'm a little too lazy / busy to set up my own e-mail server in my own domain on my house network. Nothing secure about xfinity anyway. Oh well, living it a glass house is kinda cool I guess =)
I can see places they 'could go' personal bio-metric gathering and health monitoring are interesting applications that are mostly unexplored, but there needs to be some breakthrough's in sensor tech. Also, function as the hub for other wearable devices , like AR glasses would probably require further upgrades in bandwidth speed.
Battery life is already a limiting factor though, there has been no real improvement in batteries in more then 30 years.
one phrase ... water resistant.
hard to make easily replaceable batteries AND seal the unit from water.
But do they care ... most picture aren't taken to be good, they are taken to remember or commemorate a moment or event, or to communicate to someone else something about yourself.
It is kind of like the whole loss-y compression debate, for most people, most of the time , there is a good enough, and unless you are a professional , or someone who make money at it you are unlikely to have interest in paying the required premium to get passed 'good enough'.
Agreed, I've said it before and I'l say it again. Trump is a terrible president but even with all his lying, racism, and poor economic polices he isn't half as bad as Hillary would have been.
that's funny I wish I could use some mod points on that :) Thanks
thanks for the answer, I'll add that to my long list of things that should be fixed. Our legislature should not be delegating so much authority to bureaucrats.
"We have been using your software to support the war fighter, I'm thankful to you for your help in enabling us to deliver supplies, defend our troupes and kill the bad guys. I'm sorry if that makes some of you uncomfortable, that that is what the military does, it is our job and we do it as a service to freedom of the nation" -- a actual quote I once heard at a meeting of Mission Planning Software developers.
So, let me ask all you squeamish children of hippies out there a simple question.
Would you rather the U.S. military have the technology or the Chinese?
Someone is going to build it, if anyone every invents it. As a matter of fact the military research arm generally considers itself to be 10 years ahead of the private sector. Remember they have rights to manufacture and use anything that is recorded in patent law, it is just cheaper for them to buy it off the self.
So, exactly what are people protesting? Software companies building software for profit? Technology being used in wars? because, that ship already sailed about 1947.
When and how did the library of congress get the responsibility for interpreting copy right laws?
Is that something in the DMCA?
I really want rollable screens, So I can roll my map / computer with touch screen up, like a map. :) . I wonder if there are any objective studies on that? Has someone done the math, do round this or boxes make the best use of space? Assuming the round this can bend a little bit?
It would be really cool to have satellite image of where I'm standing come up whenever I unroll my map.
Folding is cool too , but I fell rolling really make for better use of size
So, no one should write TCP IP code because it is used to distribute child porn?
And we should all work on solving trajectory optimization so we can effectively defend our country without putting solders in harms way?
Few tools are black and white in their use.
I will claim ignorance here, but could someone explain to me how you KNOW a single death, little lone a concrete number of them was caused by air pollution?
Contributed too? maybe. Even then , seem REALLY hard to prove unless you are using blatant coloration = cause type thinking.
so how do a say a number, that can't be reliably estimated went down? I read the abstracts and whatnot, but don't see anything publicly available that describes how they measured this. Did I miss it?
And 'what' does a teacher teach? IF a teachers job is to 'motivate and inspire' then there job is to teach 'values' 'philosophy' and 'religion' not information.
It is the 'value' of knowledge that inspires, even valuing education is the product of specific world view and philosophy.
It should be the parent and the communities job to inspire and motivate, the teacher is supposed to organize , filter topics, facilitate the use of tools that impart the information the students have already come with a desire to learn.
population decrease? whom do you wish to kill ? You first , then well talk ;)
it's not the number of people killed it's the territory made uninhabitable for 10000 years. Let's just say we have 2 Chernobyl every century.
The habitable area of the earth is around 900000 sq/m and the area poisoned is around 10000 sq/ miles, however , the are where radiation is elevated in quite a bit larger area, and when you count radiation poisoning if there was two areas near each other things would get considerably worse so if you figure half the livable land was poisoned that would probably be enough to kill everyone.
so with continued uses of nuclear fuel and those criteria, you can expect the earth to uninhabitable in about 20000 years give or take. Maybe we can get it down to 1 and destroy the earth in 40000 years. if you can get the number of accidents down to say 1 every 10000 to 100000 years, they you are safe, but how do you prove you have done that?
how many natural disasters do you suppose there will be in the next 500 - 1000 years, how much human incompetence. It is utterly unpredictable, with the exception that there will certainly be some. The consequences of which, when mixed with nuclear power, will be horrendous. The reality is that as long as we keep creating nuclear fuel it is only a matter of time before something worse then Chernobyl happens either through accident, or by human malice.
yep, and exactly how many acres of the earth were poisoned or made permanently uninhabitable for 5000 or more years by those accidents?
Zero.
And how EXACTLY do you propose to eliminate human error? or worse yet intentional Destruction?
Also , we have already had these serious problems in less then 200 years. How many 'unexpected' things can happen in 10,000 years. Wars, governments collapsing, famines, etc, this stuff, and it's waste last a LONG LONG time and when it poisons an area it is on that kind of time scale.