Oh, come on. Apple's market share was taking a nosedive before Jobs returned. No, they weren't dead from a financial perspective, but they were on their way out from a mindshare one. They've done an incredible job turning that around.
When I wanted to buy a VIC20 in 1981, I had heard that something even better was in the pipeline, so I thought I should wait. The salesman correctly pointed out that if that's my stance I would never buy a computer because something better is always right around the corner.
Check out the MacRumors.com buying guide. They have pretty accurate advice on the Apple product upgrade cylces.
All good points. As long as IBM can keep at least reasonable parity against AMD/Intel performance, it would be insane of Apple to switch architechtures, but I'm sure your right about Apple having a plan B if IBM pulls out or there is some other unforeseeable future problem with PowerPC.
From what I've read, the massive increase in fresh water flowing into the oceans will slow or even stop the oceans convection currents. This is what keeps the northern lattitudes temperate. Ironically, global warming could throw us into another ice age.
I wish/. could filter out repeating trolls like this one and the gay mac user one. I sometimes like to read trolls if they are on topic, but these useless ones get in the way of that. How about "-20 Repeat Troll"?
We owe AOL a lot for making the Mozilla project possible. We're lucky they didn't pull the plug three years ago or we'd have a serious problem in the browser world.
Makes sense. Some joe just typed up some nice specs and then broke into the commerce section of an encrypted website run by one of the most secretive companies in the business and stuck it up there. Very logical conclusion.
I think you will see just such a machine soon. The eMac is a pretty sweet machine for $800, just a little slow. I imagine you'll see that line upgraded to l.4 or 1.6 GHz 970s soon and then you'll have your fast low end Mac.
OpenServer 5.0.6 login and then "copyright" command:
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Just as they did not use Gecko as their rendering engine, they would not use OO the basis of an office suite. From what I understand, it's complete spaghetti.
Hear, hear. They need to back up their interoperability claims, which they have not yet done. Let's keep our fingers crossed for significant improvements in this area in Panther.
You know, I think you've hit on something. These babies should be able to run VirtualPC quite nicely. I'm thinking MS bought the company to extinguish that threat.
Well, to be fair they did say that the had no OEM data sources on the iPod. They are now saying that they have concrete info from OEMs on the 970.
The sheer volume of the speculation on the 970 appearing at the WWDC appears to confirm that it will happen.
SCO annouced today that they have been the patent holders of the number 970 since purchasing it from DEC in 1984 and intend to sue Apple for $1 trillion in damages to their brand image.
Customers won't win. They will lose choice. If I have a PeopleSoft installation, the last thing I want to do is go through the hell of installing another ERP. If forced to move off PeopleSoft, I most likely would not move to Oracle Apps. In fact, in that space I would probably move to J.D. Edwards. Oh, wait a minute.... See? The whole thing sucks for everyone.
Have you any idea what it takes to install an ERP? Imagine you've been working on a PeopleSoft installation for the past 10 months. You spend most of your day, every day, in a room of consultants and key users trying to figure out how to make the thing work for your business. You're almost there, just a few more data conversion issues to deal with. You expect this system to run the business for the next 10 years. Now imagine a company buys your ERP vendor and says it will discontinue the product you've been spending millions on installing. Oracle is not the good guy here. Less choice=bad.
Yes, and JD Edwards and PeopleSoft bring Oracle a lot of customers, too. But Oracle doesn't just make databases. They have their own ERP, which hasn't been a great success. What I fail to see is how killing a really nice, deployable ERP like PeopleSoft make Oracle's ERP any better.
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Oh, come on. Apple's market share was taking a nosedive before Jobs returned. No, they weren't dead from a financial perspective, but they were on their way out from a mindshare one. They've done an incredible job turning that around.
When I wanted to buy a VIC20 in 1981, I had heard that something even better was in the pipeline, so I thought I should wait. The salesman correctly pointed out that if that's my stance I would never buy a computer because something better is always right around the corner. Check out the MacRumors.com buying guide. They have pretty accurate advice on the Apple product upgrade cylces.
You are correct, sir. The four words in your subject line sum up what I think about this post.
All good points. As long as IBM can keep at least reasonable parity against AMD/Intel performance, it would be insane of Apple to switch architechtures, but I'm sure your right about Apple having a plan B if IBM pulls out or there is some other unforeseeable future problem with PowerPC.
A car developed by a government would be a piece of crap. An OS developed by government committees would be a piece of crap.
That's ridiculous. There are plenty of winners on this forum and I can assure you none of them has ever fucked a prom queen.
Now when it's not released on October 12, the press will start writing about the "delayed" new version of Linux. Remember the pre 2.4 days?
From what I've read, the massive increase in fresh water flowing into the oceans will slow or even stop the oceans convection currents. This is what keeps the northern lattitudes temperate. Ironically, global warming could throw us into another ice age.
the ability of the government to squash them like the bug they are.
I wish /. could filter out repeating trolls like this one and the gay mac user one. I sometimes like to read trolls if they are on topic, but these useless ones get in the way of that. How about "-20 Repeat Troll"?
The I is replaced by an A for ain't in Robert Heinlein's 'Time Enough for Love'. And ain't ain't incorrect grammar, if you look into it a bit.
We owe AOL a lot for making the Mozilla project possible. We're lucky they didn't pull the plug three years ago or we'd have a serious problem in the browser world.
Makes sense. Some joe just typed up some nice specs and then broke into the commerce section of an encrypted website run by one of the most secretive companies in the business and stuck it up there. Very logical conclusion.
I think you will see just such a machine soon. The eMac is a pretty sweet machine for $800, just a little slow. I imagine you'll see that line upgraded to l.4 or 1.6 GHz 970s soon and then you'll have your fast low end Mac.
OpenServer 5.0.6 login and then "copyright" command: Last successful login for root: Mon Jun 16 17:29:50 2003 on ttyp119 Last unsuccessful login for root: Thu Jun 12 11:26:28 2003 on ttyp3 SCO OpenServer(TM) Release 5 (C) 1976-2000 The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. (C) 1980-1994 Microsoft Corporation All rights reserved. For complete copyright credits, enter "copyrights" at the command prompt. NOTICE: Unregistered SCO software is installed on your system. Please refer to SCO's online help for registration information. Copyright (C) 1989-2002 Compaq Computer Corporation Copyright (C) 1994-1995 Netscape Communications Corporation. Copyright (C) 1995 Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois. Copyright (C) 1991-1996 Morning Star Technologies. Copyright (C) 1989 Carnegie Mellon University. Copyright (C) 1989 Regents of the University of California. Copyright (C) 1990 RSA Data Security, Inc. Copyright (C) 1988-95 Stac Electronics, Carlsbad, California. Copyright (c) 1994, 1995, 1996. Netscape Communications Corporation. Copyright (C) 1995, Thomas G. Lane Copyright (C) 1990 RSA Data Security, Inc. Copyright 1993 Massachusetts Institute of Technology Copyright (C) 1986, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Copyright (c) 1991 - 1994 Microsoft Corporation Copyright (c) 1986-1995 Frame Technology Corporation. Copyright 1989, 1990 The Monotype Corporation Plc. All Rights Reserved. Copyright (c) 1990, 1991 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved Copyright 1987-1994, Larry Wall Copyright 1994 Mosaic Communications Corporation. All rights reserved. This SCO software is commercial computer software and, together with any related documentation, is subject to the restrictions on US Government use as set forth below. If this procurement is for a DOD agency, this DFAR Restricted Rights Legend applies: RESTRICTED RIGHTS LEGEND: Use, duplication, or disclosure by the Government is subject to restrictions as set forth in subparagraph (c)(1)(ii) of Rights in Technical Data and Computer Software Clause at DFARS 252.227-7013. Contractor/Manufacturer is The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc., 400 Encinal Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95060. If this procurement is for a civilian government agency, this FAR Restricted Rights Legend applies: RESTRICTED RIGHTS LEGEND: This computer software is submitted with restricted rights under Government Contract No. _________ (and Subcontract No. ________, if appropriate). It may not be used, reproduced, or disclosed by the Government except as provided in paragraph (g)(3)(i) of FAR Clause 52.227-14 alt III or as otherwise expressly stated in the contract. Contractor/Manufacturer is The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc., 400 Encinal Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95060. This copyrighted software is licensed only for use in strict accordance with the Software License Agreement, which should be read carefully before commencing use of the software. This SCO software includes software that is protected by these copyrights: (C) 1976-2000 The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. (C) 1989-1994 Acer Incorporated (C) 1989-1994 Acer America Corporation (C) 1990-1998 Adaptec, Inc. (C) 1993-1998 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (C) 1990 Altos Computer Systems (C) 1992-1994 American Power Conversion, Inc. (C) 1988 Archive Corporation (C) 1990-1998 ATI Technologies, Inc. (C) 1976-1992 AT&T (C) 1992-1994 AT&T Global Information Solutions Company (C) 1993 Berkeley Network Software Consortium (C) 1985-1986 Bigelow & Holmes (C) 1988-1991 Carnegie Mellon University (C) 1989-1990 Cipher Data Products, Inc. (C) 1985-1998 Compaq Computer Corporation (C) 1986-1987 Convergent Technologies, Inc. (C) 1990-1993 Cornell University (C) 1985-1997 Corollary, Inc. (C) 1994 Dell Computer Corporation (C) 1988-1998 Digital Equipment Corporation (C) 1990-1997 Distributed Processing Technology (C) 1991 D.L.S. Associates (C) 1990 Free Software Foundation, Inc. (C) 1989-1991 Future Domain Corporation (C) 1994 Gradient Technologies, Inc. (C) 1991-1998 Hewlett-Packard Company (C) 1993-1
Just as they did not use Gecko as their rendering engine, they would not use OO the basis of an office suite. From what I understand, it's complete spaghetti.
Hear, hear. They need to back up their interoperability claims, which they have not yet done. Let's keep our fingers crossed for significant improvements in this area in Panther.
You know, I think you've hit on something. These babies should be able to run VirtualPC quite nicely. I'm thinking MS bought the company to extinguish that threat.
Well, to be fair they did say that the had no OEM data sources on the iPod. They are now saying that they have concrete info from OEMs on the 970. The sheer volume of the speculation on the 970 appearing at the WWDC appears to confirm that it will happen.
SCO annouced today that they have been the patent holders of the number 970 since purchasing it from DEC in 1984 and intend to sue Apple for $1 trillion in damages to their brand image.
Customers won't win. They will lose choice. If I have a PeopleSoft installation, the last thing I want to do is go through the hell of installing another ERP. If forced to move off PeopleSoft, I most likely would not move to Oracle Apps. In fact, in that space I would probably move to J.D. Edwards. Oh, wait a minute.... See? The whole thing sucks for everyone.
Have you any idea what it takes to install an ERP? Imagine you've been working on a PeopleSoft installation for the past 10 months. You spend most of your day, every day, in a room of consultants and key users trying to figure out how to make the thing work for your business. You're almost there, just a few more data conversion issues to deal with. You expect this system to run the business for the next 10 years. Now imagine a company buys your ERP vendor and says it will discontinue the product you've been spending millions on installing. Oracle is not the good guy here. Less choice=bad.
Yes, and JD Edwards and PeopleSoft bring Oracle a lot of customers, too. But Oracle doesn't just make databases. They have their own ERP, which hasn't been a great success. What I fail to see is how killing a really nice, deployable ERP like PeopleSoft make Oracle's ERP any better.
You're from 1996, aren't you? Back! Back to where you came from! There's no room for you here in the future!