Here is my complete list of scripting languages that MUST be supported:
Python
Perl
Ruby
Tcl
Lisp
Scheme
Haskell
OCAML
Erlang
Mozart/Oz
Mercury
Smalltalk
Prolog
SQL
OQL
XQuery
JavaScript
and of course BASH
Did I forget something?.. Oh, yes - and TeX/LaTeX too!
Seriously, each time one of them is not supported in some software I need it next day after I learn that it's not there. It must be solved once and forever - all those languages must be supported. So each time the programmer can use the right tool for the right job.
Your URL is not available (something about a subscription - you know, it's a varey bad taste on/. to give URL that requires to subscribe).
Better check webster.com - first, it's free, second it's a pretty reliable source. and it says:
The plural criteria has been used as a singular for nearly half a century
You may want to looak at google how many pretty "oficial" documents use a single criteria.
Finally, check "CiteSeer" (very "academic" computer-science article repository) for a single criteria.
I understand you attempt to keep English clean, but there is not such thing as a standard English. It's a very alive social phenomenon, varying over the time and across social groups.
There was some irony in it, b/c it is not a bad idea, DNS is properly designed for these kind of tasks, and better serving end-users (who will have more chances to find files in a chaos of Internet) is actually a good idea.
...Well, I begin to believe that there was some irony in your questions too, wasn't it?
DNS servers, as the name implies, are for serving DNS information.
What a stupid definition! It's recursive without an exit criteria!
Correct defintions is:
DNS stands for Domain Name Service and it is for service to resolve names of domains.
Persiod. You can use it for host name domains, their hosts, and their services. Yes, as it is specified in the protocol RFC documents, it can be used as a service locator. Therefore, if there is a service to share files, then its index (read: the service desciptor) can be served through DNS.
Today Internet becomes more and more chaotic. Without improving directory and name services Internet will degrade in quality of serving its end-users. That's why I appreciate this idea. As well as I will apreciate further improvement of LDAP with SNMP (MIB), as well as I wish UDDI will become more mature and so on.
Used both, disappointed in both, returned to Xemacs/JDE.
If Java is your own language you can speak - Eclipse is ok (even slightly better than Netbeans b/c no swing in it). But if your projects combine several languages (Python, Perl, Tcl, C, C++, SQL, XML, XSL), and you have to debug in external interactive shells (Python, Bash, XSLT, SQL), and you have to document not only classes (aka javadoc), but also a work of future end-users (Tex-based user guides), then certainly Eclipse is just another vi - it's too primitive.
That's b/c you use x86 to run Linux. But many of us use PPC, Sparc and other non-x86 hardware to run Linux. They are out of luck to see any Shock-flash presentations. Don't blame those people - they are engineers, not fancy-shmancy marketing guys. And, by the way, we talk here about Java-based GUI. Java, remember? "Compile once - run everywhere". So, it is very silly to require Java-developers to stick to x86 platform, isn't it?
The system is corrupted because we agree with it. Sure we discuss it on/. but what else do we do?
I suggest to everyone, who is seriously disagree with music royalties on blank CDRs and on ISPs, to go the court and to sue SOCAN for wrong royalties. Including a couple of millons for a moral compensation - I feel deeply damaged in a situation I have to pay for something I don't use as I never had any illegal mp3 copies (for example, I use CDRs only for Gentoo ISO images and my ISP only to upgrade my Gentoo packages).
Now, if many of us will try that then we may try to convert it to a class action and thus to fix the corrupted system. Until then - we should not really complain as still did nothing to fix it.
if you don't like to pay music royalties on CDRs you use to backup your non-musical data, then why don't you go to the court and try to sue your money back? Besides, if you feel offensive, you may include to your claim a couple of millions just for a moral compensation:)
And if many of us will do it then we might be able to make a class action case. But if we will continue buy CDRs with music royalties included and do nothing about it - then we should not compain when next royalty will cover the coper wire potentially used to connect to ISP to download music, the wall we use to keep the phone jack, and even the electricity we buy to feed our computers while they download music gigs.
Don't waste yout time on RTFA. It's a pure journalism and there is no any engineering value in it. You cannot learn anything technical from the interview - none.
There is no technical comparison of SIP vs XMPP. From indepth one I would expect to see why features of SIP are better or worse than features of XMPP. They don't even list features to compare.
Also, they talk about XMPP and ignore Jabber user community, which has recently overgrown ICQ community by amount of users.
They talk about interoperability IM-gateway in a future tense, whil most of Jabber users already use interoperability today. For example, my Jabber client doesn't communicate directly to my ICQ or AIM buddies - it does it through the Jabber server instead.
I don't wonder they don't talk about personal/SOHO Jabber servers, which some percentage of Jabber users connect to, instead of direct connecting to public server, in a process to communicating with the rest of the world. Of course, Microsoft prefers everyone will connect directly to MSN - they don't like people building communities out of their control.
And, yes, IRC is missed. I don't like some features of IRC protocol personally too, but the fact is that IRC is here for many years, has a community, applications, and still good concepts.
Well, what do you expect from the guy, who works for Microsoft (the company responsible for so many viruses due to poor architectural design of their products) and Sendmail (the company responsible for so many spam due to poor architectural design of their main product)?
I am so disappointed that I wasted my time on RTFA.
What are you waiting then? Try it now! In fact, Plone will give the best implementation of content management right out the box. Plus, Plone, being based on CMF and Zope, still let you to increase even that level. Wokrflow management, Rule and Role Based Access Control, triggers and out the box persistence with ZODB, load-balancing and distribution with ZEO - I can list more. Zope brings a whole Universe to you without requiring to know all of that. By default Plone is already well designed and very usable. And once you begin to change it - you learn it, step-by-step, by example. Of course you don't have to learn all that for simple blogging: just install Plone and start using it. That's it.
Dell moved call centers from Bangalore back to home? Because of bad English and too simple scripts? It's very good for Bangalore, Because many other companies still have their call centers in Bangalore. So, companies who invest to call center business in Bangalore will force call center managers to invest (efforts, time, money) to English skills and quality of scripts. Otherwise they will lose their business too. So, ultimately it will increase the quality of call-center business in Bangalore.
Eglish will be improved by two ways: (1) hiring local Indian stuff with better English, and (2) hiring willing to move to India grown-ups from USA, Canada, UK and Australia (I know already people who moved there from UK and USA and they make pretty good living there).
The quality of scripts will be imporved partially by moving to "scriptless" cases of support scenario - multi-level support lines with appropriate skills on each level.
Both improvements will require better skills, which will demand more salary, but that will be still nothing comparing to US salaries. So, I doubt Bangalore has any problems in long-term.
By the way, visiting several computer shops and ISPs across North America (pay attention: visiting, not calling!) I have discovered many cases when their support people (often Indian immigrants too) had very thick accient (we barely understood each other - talking alive, not by phone!) and they have tried to direct our discussion into pre-scripted line without even trying to hear about my real specific issue (hardware incompatibility, Linux, advanced graphics, advanced audio, Internet and many other simple and complex subjects). So, now what? Send back to India all Indian immigrants?
support for the Trusted Computing Group (TCG) specification, remote diagnostics and error-checking, intelligent configuration checking and integrated system policy management, automated provisioning of servers and server virtualization, "radically enhanced" device power management, embedded TCP/IP, remote management functions including dynamic provisioning, load balancing and software resource control, and an XML and SOAP standards-based interface to CSS functions
When I was reading the list above, at first I thought it's a soup, as it's too mixed. Then I realized that the mix is too bizzare. Then I started to think that perhaps it's just too obfuscated by a marketing fluff. But on the final item (about SOAP interface to cascaded stylesheet functions!) it's cleared itself as a product of thinking of idiots.
So, now I know what is a future BIOS from Phoenix: it's Bizzar Idiotic Obfuscated Soup.
"Smooth Jazz" is the same oxymoron as "Soft Rock" (or "Easy Rock"). I listen smooth jazz sometimes myself, but I always wonder why do they call it that way - smooth jazz has nothing to do with jazz.
Classic singers stay as close as possible to the "absolute" quality line - it's perfect for being mathematically modeled and it's a matter of time such models will be apparead, even if their implementations will take some hardware resources.
Pop singers make sound anyway far away from being called as an art. It's perfect for being implemented in embeded solutions. It's a matter of time first cyber-singers will be cloned like cheap "made-in-China" electronic (sorry, my oriental friends, although nothing personal or racial in this comment).
Jazz is still an art, like classical music, but its improvizations are very unpredictable. Jazz singers will be last ones to go. Even more - Jazz improvizators will be eventually involved to prototype new cyber-singers. Hmm, I can even imagine special programming languages for singer-modelling: "bebop", "blues", "swing":)
I doubt so. Otherwise how would you explain that in IM sections (of Gnome bounties) they have three items related to GAIM and one item related to the AIM protocol specifically, and no single other item?
Besides, last time I started GAIM, first think it has asked me is to register in AIM network. Not in Jabber, not in ICQ - in AIM. It might work with all of them, but AIM protocol is certainly is a primary protocol for GAIM developers.
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That's one of differences of Gentoo from other distros: in Gentoo you don't spend weeks of your time for tweaking, you just say what flags to use, and ebauild will decide in a very consistent way where it is appropriate or not.
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Movifying SRPMS can acheive the same effect.
And coding on assembly language (instead of a high-level one) can be used for developing applications too. Portage helps and protects in a similar way as a garbage collector. We use Portage in our company and we know it already.
However, I don't think that this is really an issue for corporations.
You did not work in the corp with hundreds of newest (P4), hundreds of older (P3) and still dozens of the oldest (P-II) PCs.
the idea that Gentoo can do this and no other distro can is rather ignorant.
The practice shows that with Gentoo IT personell spends less time and IT's bugzilla has less issues.
Trust me on this one, though, there's no actual technical superiority over other distributions.
I fail to see why I should trust you. You certainly don't have any experience of deplying Gentoo to the big (or even mid) size corporation.
can you do reverse dependency checking yet? Like uninstalling gtk, and having every app that builds against gtk also unistall?
Just did it with KDE and Qt. You may want to check Gentoo forums for appropriate scripts.
By the way, Gentoo community is not fanatic, as many try to represent here. It's very friendly. The chance to hear RTFM is more on Debian forums.
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2004 will be a year when many corporations, especially those who will try to adapt Linux as a primary desktop platform, will recognize Gentoo for several reasons:
Portage gives a corporate IT the most fine-grained dependency control protecting the consistency of installations within upgrades;
Gentoo makes possible to compile everything from sources on a reference hardware, adapting by that to the last bit of any available performance optimization, and then distribute the compiled binares to compatible hardware cross the enterprise (using GRP for fresh installations and just shared/usr/portage/packages for already installed systems);
Gentoo (mostly thanks to Portage) represents really the next generation design of Linux distro;
As a side affect of that, Gentoo with Portage will help corporations to recognize Python as the next-wave language after Java.
Too late - I am already fighting US goverment from outside of US borders.
I call it as fighting for my human rights, in a common sense, not related to rights of a US citizen specifically. But I guess that US goverment would call it as the war against USA... if they would notice it:)
Four IM-related bounties and all of them are for Gaim, the open-source IM client, which primary protocol is AIM, which is proprietary one, rather than XMPP/Jabber, which is "pure" open-source. What a shame on Gnome!
I understand that Gaim supports XMPP, but it does as for a secondary one. For example, when it starts it request you to login to AIM.
Why not support Gossip or even Tkabber instead? Why Gaim?
Well, if you think it's just a flame war about IM clients, then take this:
In addition to three GAIM-related bounties, the fourth one is "purely" related to AIM protocol: Handle aim: links in Epiphany. When I read this I begin thinking that Gnome management team has been sold out to AOL. Otherwise why wouldn't the include also Handle JID: links in Epiphany.
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- Python
- Perl
- Ruby
- Tcl
- Lisp
- Scheme
- Haskell
- OCAML
- Erlang
- Mozart/Oz
- Mercury
- Smalltalk
- Prolog
- SQL
- OQL
- XQuery
- JavaScript
- and of course BASH
Did I forget something?.. Oh, yes - and TeX/LaTeX too!Seriously, each time one of them is not supported in some software I need it next day after I learn that it's not there. It must be solved once and forever - all those languages must be supported. So each time the programmer can use the right tool for the right job.
If you need really cross-platform toolkit, then why not use XUL from Mozilla?
Better check webster.com - first, it's free, second it's a pretty reliable source. and it says:
The plural criteria has been used as a singular for nearly half a century
You may want to looak at google how many pretty "oficial" documents use a single criteria.
Finally, check "CiteSeer" (very "academic" computer-science article repository) for a single criteria.
I understand you attempt to keep English clean, but there is not such thing as a standard English. It's a very alive social phenomenon, varying over the time and across social groups.
And your attempt is especially loughable at /. :)
Second, criteria is often used as a sigular form when it means compound criteria, or a logical expression with other criterions.
Either way, it's usually aceptable to say an exit criteria, as well as just exit criteria.
What a stupid definition! It's recursive without an exit criteria!
Correct defintions is:
DNS stands for Domain Name Service and it is for service to resolve names of domains.
Persiod. You can use it for host name domains, their hosts, and their services. Yes, as it is specified in the protocol RFC documents, it can be used as a service locator. Therefore, if there is a service to share files, then its index (read: the service desciptor) can be served through DNS.
Today Internet becomes more and more chaotic. Without improving directory and name services Internet will degrade in quality of serving its end-users. That's why I appreciate this idea. As well as I will apreciate further improvement of LDAP with SNMP (MIB), as well as I wish UDDI will become more mature and so on.
Good improvement in DNS!
If Java is your own language you can speak - Eclipse is ok (even slightly better than Netbeans b/c no swing in it). But if your projects combine several languages (Python, Perl, Tcl, C, C++, SQL, XML, XSL), and you have to debug in external interactive shells (Python, Bash, XSLT, SQL), and you have to document not only classes (aka javadoc), but also a work of future end-users (Tex-based user guides), then certainly Eclipse is just another vi - it's too primitive.
That's b/c you use x86 to run Linux. But many of us use PPC, Sparc and other non-x86 hardware to run Linux. They are out of luck to see any Shock-flash presentations. Don't blame those people - they are engineers, not fancy-shmancy marketing guys. And, by the way, we talk here about Java-based GUI. Java, remember? "Compile once - run everywhere". So, it is very silly to require Java-developers to stick to x86 platform, isn't it?
I suggest to everyone, who is seriously disagree with music royalties on blank CDRs and on ISPs, to go the court and to sue SOCAN for wrong royalties. Including a couple of millons for a moral compensation - I feel deeply damaged in a situation I have to pay for something I don't use as I never had any illegal mp3 copies (for example, I use CDRs only for Gentoo ISO images and my ISP only to upgrade my Gentoo packages).
Now, if many of us will try that then we may try to convert it to a class action and thus to fix the corrupted system. Until then - we should not really complain as still did nothing to fix it.
And if many of us will do it then we might be able to make a class action case. But if we will continue buy CDRs with music royalties included and do nothing about it - then we should not compain when next royalty will cover the coper wire potentially used to connect to ISP to download music, the wall we use to keep the phone jack, and even the electricity we buy to feed our computers while they download music gigs.
There is no technical comparison of SIP vs XMPP. From indepth one I would expect to see why features of SIP are better or worse than features of XMPP. They don't even list features to compare.
Also, they talk about XMPP and ignore Jabber user community, which has recently overgrown ICQ community by amount of users.
They talk about interoperability IM-gateway in a future tense, whil most of Jabber users already use interoperability today. For example, my Jabber client doesn't communicate directly to my ICQ or AIM buddies - it does it through the Jabber server instead.
I don't wonder they don't talk about personal/SOHO Jabber servers, which some percentage of Jabber users connect to, instead of direct connecting to public server, in a process to communicating with the rest of the world. Of course, Microsoft prefers everyone will connect directly to MSN - they don't like people building communities out of their control.
And, yes, IRC is missed. I don't like some features of IRC protocol personally too, but the fact is that IRC is here for many years, has a community, applications, and still good concepts.
Well, what do you expect from the guy, who works for Microsoft (the company responsible for so many viruses due to poor architectural design of their products) and Sendmail (the company responsible for so many spam due to poor architectural design of their main product)?
I am so disappointed that I wasted my time on RTFA.
What are you waiting then? Try it now! In fact, Plone will give the best implementation of content management right out the box. Plus, Plone, being based on CMF and Zope, still let you to increase even that level. Wokrflow management, Rule and Role Based Access Control, triggers and out the box persistence with ZODB, load-balancing and distribution with ZEO - I can list more. Zope brings a whole Universe to you without requiring to know all of that. By default Plone is already well designed and very usable. And once you begin to change it - you learn it, step-by-step, by example. Of course you don't have to learn all that for simple blogging: just install Plone and start using it. That's it.
Eglish will be improved by two ways: (1) hiring local Indian stuff with better English, and (2) hiring willing to move to India grown-ups from USA, Canada, UK and Australia (I know already people who moved there from UK and USA and they make pretty good living there).
The quality of scripts will be imporved partially by moving to "scriptless" cases of support scenario - multi-level support lines with appropriate skills on each level.
Both improvements will require better skills, which will demand more salary, but that will be still nothing comparing to US salaries. So, I doubt Bangalore has any problems in long-term.
By the way, visiting several computer shops and ISPs across North America (pay attention: visiting, not calling!) I have discovered many cases when their support people (often Indian immigrants too) had very thick accient (we barely understood each other - talking alive, not by phone!) and they have tried to direct our discussion into pre-scripted line without even trying to hear about my real specific issue (hardware incompatibility, Linux, advanced graphics, advanced audio, Internet and many other simple and complex subjects). So, now what? Send back to India all Indian immigrants?
When I was reading the list above, at first I thought it's a soup, as it's too mixed. Then I realized that the mix is too bizzare. Then I started to think that perhaps it's just too obfuscated by a marketing fluff. But on the final item (about SOAP interface to cascaded stylesheet functions!) it's cleared itself as a product of thinking of idiots.
So, now I know what is a future BIOS from Phoenix: it's Bizzar Idiotic Obfuscated Soup.
Are you a racist?
Since when the "oriental" word has anything to do with the "american" word?
Do you think that all people are living only in America? Or you think that outside of America people are not exactly people?
"Smooth Jazz" is the same oxymoron as "Soft Rock" (or "Easy Rock"). I listen smooth jazz sometimes myself, but I always wonder why do they call it that way - smooth jazz has nothing to do with jazz.
Classic singers stay as close as possible to the "absolute" quality line - it's perfect for being mathematically modeled and it's a matter of time such models will be apparead, even if their implementations will take some hardware resources.
Pop singers make sound anyway far away from being called as an art. It's perfect for being implemented in embeded solutions. It's a matter of time first cyber-singers will be cloned like cheap "made-in-China" electronic (sorry, my oriental friends, although nothing personal or racial in this comment).
Jazz is still an art, like classical music, but its improvizations are very unpredictable. Jazz singers will be last ones to go. Even more - Jazz improvizators will be eventually involved to prototype new cyber-singers. Hmm, I can even imagine special programming languages for singer-modelling: "bebop", "blues", "swing" :)
Besides, last time I started GAIM, first think it has asked me is to register in AIM network. Not in Jabber, not in ICQ - in AIM. It might work with all of them, but AIM protocol is certainly is a primary protocol for GAIM developers.
That's one of differences of Gentoo from other distros: in Gentoo you don't spend weeks of your time for tweaking, you just say what flags to use, and ebauild will decide in a very consistent way where it is appropriate or not.
And coding on assembly language (instead of a high-level one) can be used for developing applications too. Portage helps and protects in a similar way as a garbage collector. We use Portage in our company and we know it already.
However, I don't think that this is really an issue for corporations.
You did not work in the corp with hundreds of newest (P4), hundreds of older (P3) and still dozens of the oldest (P-II) PCs.
the idea that Gentoo can do this and no other distro can is rather ignorant.
The practice shows that with Gentoo IT personell spends less time and IT's bugzilla has less issues.
Trust me on this one, though, there's no actual technical superiority over other distributions.
I fail to see why I should trust you. You certainly don't have any experience of deplying Gentoo to the big (or even mid) size corporation.
can you do reverse dependency checking yet? Like uninstalling gtk, and having every app that builds against gtk also unistall?
Just did it with KDE and Qt. You may want to check Gentoo forums for appropriate scripts.
By the way, Gentoo community is not fanatic, as many try to represent here. It's very friendly. The chance to hear RTFM is more on Debian forums.
- Portage gives a corporate IT the most fine-grained dependency control protecting the consistency of installations within upgrades;
- Gentoo makes possible to compile everything from sources on a reference hardware, adapting by that to the last bit of any available performance optimization, and then distribute the compiled binares to compatible hardware cross the enterprise (using GRP for fresh installations and just shared
/usr/portage/packages for already installed systems);
- Gentoo (mostly thanks to Portage) represents really the next generation design of Linux distro;
As a side affect of that, Gentoo with Portage will help corporations to recognize Python as the next-wave language after Java.Too late - I am already fighting US goverment from outside of US borders.
I call it as fighting for my human rights, in a common sense, not related to rights of a US citizen specifically. But I guess that US goverment would call it as the war against USA... if they would notice it :)
I understand that Gaim supports XMPP, but it does as for a secondary one. For example, when it starts it request you to login to AIM.
Why not support Gossip or even Tkabber instead? Why Gaim?
Well, if you think it's just a flame war about IM clients, then take this:
In addition to three GAIM-related bounties, the fourth one is "purely" related to AIM protocol: Handle aim: links in Epiphany. When I read this I begin thinking that Gnome management team has been sold out to AOL. Otherwise why wouldn't the include also Handle JID: links in Epiphany.
What's wrong with Gnome team?
Just move to Asia: in Thailand or HongKong or Taiwan you are more protected from most of US IP lawers :)