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Building a Linux Home Media Center

RomanianClimber writes "Tom Lynema assembles an Ubuntu-based Linux home media center. 'Like a lot of people nowadays, I have a growing collection of digital media. My digital media is stored on a home Linux server. Most of the digital media players available today do not support protocols to connect to a Linux server, which make them unsuitable for my use. I realized the best way to connect my digital media library with my home theatre was to build my own Linux home media center (LHMC).'"

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  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Funny

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  2. When will we not need an MCE box? by dada21 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I run XPMCE -- yeah, yeah, it works and the WAF is 100%. We continue to try MythTV and various F/OSS programs about 3-4 times a year though.

    But I think I might stop, soon. I already have a decent little file sharing network between myself and about 100 "close" friends. I think we could probably extend this to 1000 people and still keep intruders and others out. I have about a 10mbps pipe at home (beta) that should be available everywhere within a year. One of the providers wants to see it for $19.99 per month (as long as Congress stays out!)

    So that leaves me with my subjust line: when will we not need a dedicated box anymore?

    Bandwidth is almost free, compared to any previous bandwidth before it. 10mbps is just as fast as I can run to the video store and back (depending on the codec used and other parameters, but its close). If I keep maybe 10% of my content on my PC and share it with the 100 out there, I bet we'd have it covered pretty well even considering duplicates for backup. Maybe we need a protocol/program that takes BitTorrent and allows a network of users to safely share video/audio in a wide-area RAID configuration. The other day I lost a CD (AAC's actually, my car stereo supports it) that had about 1000 minutes of music on it. I run my AACs lower than 128kbps for the car. I had the entire set of albums downloaded from a friend in maybe an hour or so, I'd guess.

    The future for me is a system similar to AKIMBO (but open source and needing very little in the way of complex hardware) -- a set top box, maybe 60-100gig hard drive, the ability to copy data to the unit from my workstation, and the ability to set it up in this wide area RAID configuration with my friends.

    True "peer" to "peer" sharing of media, but no complexity needed that is the norm with an MCE -- you don't need terabytes of data, 2-4 tuner cards (my XPMCE has 4: 2 SD and 2 HD) as you can download the shows from BT or whoever else may have the data already, or even a DVD player.

    What would this system be missing? (I just typed as I thought it up, FYI)

    1. Re:When will we not need an MCE box? by Cheeze · · Score: 5, Funny

      95% bragging, 5% actual content.

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    2. Re:When will we not need an MCE box? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1, Funny

      10mbps is just as fast as I can run to the video store and back (depending on the codec used and other parameters, but its close).

      10 millibits per second doesn't get much. 10 Mbps is a different animal, that can stream as much as two decent DVD streams at half max bitrate, like video on demand.

    3. Re:When will we not need an MCE box? by digitalsushi · · Score: 1

      Would you consider sharing, in at least a generic manner, how you accomplish your private 100 user network? It sounds very interesting. Is it VPN? How does the media present itself? SMB/CIF, others? It sounds very interesting and I would be grateful to hear more -- 100 users is a success story compared to what I have managed to work out. Star based VPN configurations just don't work that hot. Thanks

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    4. Re:When will we not need an MCE box? by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      Depends on your country, in aus it's a lot harder (outside of capital cities) to get that kind of bandwidth, and it's hard to find it cheap anywhere at all. This kind of home media box config will still be interesting to a lot of people in higher bandwidth cost countries for a few years yet.

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    5. Re:When will we not need an MCE box? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      One hundred percent (%) dumbass above me

    6. Re:When will we not need an MCE box? by GoodOmens · · Score: 1

      I;m currenty building my linux based media server.
      I'm buying a old xbox, throwing Xbox Media Center on it and running one of the many linux based content servers to feed the xbox media over the network. It can even play direct isos and it uses the remote to browse whats on your server.

      I just purchased a 8 port raid 5 sata card so I am going to eventually hit 2 terabytes with it.

    7. Re:When will we not need an MCE box? by Hasmanean · · Score: 1

      >What would this system be missing? (I just typed as I thought it up, FYI)

      It would be missing an optical free-space communication system, rooftop to rooftop, which would allow you 100Mbps connectivity to 2 or more of your neighbours.

      Using the internet for such "pedestrian" tasks as sharing static movies is silly, why not instead try to run a link to your 2 nearest neighbours houses, let them do the same, and so on...do some fast routing and there you have a truly fast network with high latency--well suited for file sharing programs and doing the occasional 1GB download. Since the nwtwork is self-administered, there is no reliability issue, so you can split your collection up among the whole neighbourhood, and there is no chance of a RIAA lawsuit--since is no involvement of the internet at all.

      This would be the arrival of the "Undernet." An underground net, with local control, under no supervision, and no cost. In a disaster, this could be up and running if the old networks go down.

      Even without point to dedicated links, people could still build this type of network by simply buying 2 or 3 wireless NICS and connecting to their neighbours wireless routers. I want to know why we don't see more of this type of thing going on?

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    8. Re:When will we not need an MCE box? by wsycng · · Score: 0, Troll

      Forget about 'Open-Source' (or 'Open-Sores', as my coworkers like to call it) DVR implementations.

      They are unstable, difficult to install, and just a plain waste of time.

      Read why "Windows XP Mediac Center Edition is King."

      I am not a paid Micro$oft Spokesperson...but I know I will get flamed anyway for my Micro$oft slant...

    9. Re:When will we not need an MCE box? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Most likely a password-protected BT tracker or DC hub.

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    10. Re:When will we not need an MCE box? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What would this system be missing? (I just typed as I thought it up, FYI)

      The ability to handle HDTV.

  3. you know you've stumbled... by ltwally · · Score: 4, Funny
    "My Ogg music files played out of the box. The key to getting MP3 playback to work was installing libmad."
    You know when you've stumbled into linux-super-nerd-land when your media player cannot do MP3 out-of-the-box, but OGG plays just dandy!
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    1. Re:you know you've stumbled... by TwentyLeaguesUnderLa · · Score: 1

      Not really that surprising.

      MP3 is proprietary. They can't include it with a default distribution of something unless they pay royalties.

      When I installed ubuntu (for my laptop), it didn't come with anything that could play MP3s either, but could play OGG fine. Getting MP3 playback to work was pretty simple - apt-get had everything necessary available.

      Am I correct in guessing that most distros would end up the same - no MP3 support out of the box? Or is that just an ubuntu quirk?

    2. Re:you know you've stumbled... by lixee · · Score: 1

      ... And you know the end of the world is close when slashdotters make such statements.

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    3. Re:you know you've stumbled... by Minwee · · Score: 1
      It's more of a Debian quirk. Ogg Vorbis is Free Software(tm). MP3 is Definitely Not. That's why you'll find Ogg support in Debian but have to look for unofficial packages if you want to muck around with MP3s.

      Other distributions tend to have a more casual attitude towards this so they may bend a few rules.

    4. Re:you know you've stumbled... by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 1, Insightful
      You know when you've stumbled into linux-super-nerd-land when your media player cannot do MP3 out-of-the-box, but OGG plays just dandy!

      It's 2006 and you still don't know MP3 is patented, and therefor of questionable legality when it comes to distributing unlicensed MP3 players and encoders? Christ, get your head out of the sand...

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    5. Re:you know you've stumbled... by BootNinja · · Score: 2, Informative

      Redhat has disabled MP3 since RH9, SuSE since I think at least 8.2, and I noticed it was the same on the Mandriva distro I tried about a year and a half ago. Gentoo, on the other hand, will play mp3's as soon as you've emerged whatever media player you use. I don't think it has as much to do with the proprietary codec, so much as fear of some sort of retaliation from RIAA et al. I know the crippled version of xmms that shipped with RH9 displayed some sort of dialog to the effect of "We won't let you play mp3's because of copyright concerns." It seems to be mainly the distros who try to exist as a commercial entity that don't support mp3 out of the box, although, Debian also sees to do the same, as the parent mentioned.

    6. Re:you know you've stumbled... by Trepalium · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, it's not because of copyright concerns. It's the fact the MP3 codec is patented by Fraunhofer IIS. Fraunhofer has said they allow people to use implement the playback portions of their patents as long as the resulting program is distributed for free, but this isn't OSI compatible. The free WinAMP player was okay, putting it on a Debian CD which may be sold was not.

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    7. Re:you know you've stumbled... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No there IS an offical package. But since mp3 players can't conform with DFSG (Debian Free Software Guideline) it must be put in among the "Non-Free" packages. And Non-Free
      is indeed a real part of Debian.

      JK

    8. Re:you know you've stumbled... by PoconoPCDoctor · · Score: 1

      (Poking head above the sand for a minute)

      Last time I checked, Windows Media Player supported creating MP3 files and you could still turn off DRM. That would mean Microsoft is supporting creating MP3's that can play with any player/encoder.

      The LAME encoder can still be downloaded freely and plugged into just about anything.

      What am I missing here?

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    9. Re:you know you've stumbled... by What'sInAName · · Score: 1


      I don't know about RedHat, but SuSE definitely supports mp3 out of the box. Maybe they dropped support briefly and the brought it back? I don't know. I use SuSE pro 9.3 and xmms and amarok are there.

    10. Re:you know you've stumbled... by level_headed_midwest · · Score: 1

      Yeah. You have to install lame and a bunch of libmad files to get things to work. But Ogg works out of the box and FLAC does too.

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    11. Re:you know you've stumbled... by swillden · · Score: 3, Informative

      Last time I checked, Windows Media Player supported creating MP3 files

      Last time I chekced WMP was not Free Software. That means (a) it's not legal for you to redistribute WMP, only Microsoft can and (b) Microsoft can (and has) paid for appropriate patent licenses.

      The LAME encoder can still be downloaded freely and plugged into just about anything.

      And the legality of this is questionable, and tricky. Under the "source is speech" argument, it may be that distributing source code is okay. Binary distribution is more problematic, and that's what Linux distros want to do. Distros like Debian, who are very careful about legal issues, find it safest not to distribute encoders (like LAME) at all, and relegate players to "non-free" status, if they're included at all.

      What am I missing here?

      That there are patents on parts of MP3 players and encoders, and those patents create difficulties for Free Software implementations. People may go ahead and do it anyway (similarly, libdvdcss is a circumvention device and is illegal according to the DMCA, but that doesn't stop individuals from using it), but that doesn't mean that people who want to obey the law can do it.

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    12. Re:you know you've stumbled... by PoconoPCDoctor · · Score: 1

      I appreciate your explaining the differences. While I've played with Red Hat (a long time ago) and Mandriva more recently, I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to the differences in Linux distros and Debian.

      My job is in a educational environment, (unix boxes everywhere - popmail for our e-mail system) and the guy sitting next me is a Linux whiz - he uses it all over the campus to get to files - jumping through firewalls between different areas. I'm learning a lot from him, and hope to put the change together soon to get an Intel-based Mac.

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    13. Re:you know you've stumbled... by cthrall · · Score: 1

      It looks like you can redistribute the player. You have to fill out some forms, of course.

    14. Re:you know you've stumbled... by Minwee · · Score: 1

      Oh, my flamewar senses are tingling. You're treading on dangerous ground here.

    15. Re:you know you've stumbled... by NotoriousQ · · Score: 1

      For the same reason why DVDs do not play on a vanilla Windows install.
      No WinDVD/other decoder = WiMP can not play them.

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  4. Re:Me too. by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 1

    I SERIOUSLY need to see the boxed set!

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  5. I want one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like most slashdotters also have a growing collection of digital media. aka., porn

  6. Here we go again... by radiotyler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right-o, why do we still care about Blu-Ray and HD-DVD as solutions like this become more the norm, and pay-for-rights media becomes more readily available for download?

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  7. TFA misses a lot. by chrome · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article spends about 95% of its words talking about how to get that specific hardware working under linux, and then one or two paragraphs actually talking about the interesting stuff - the software that he uses to run the media center. He even neglects to mention how he controls it.

    Isn't there front-ends to make this stuff easier than having a gnome desktop on the TV? What about remote control devices and infra-red support? Is there a nice way to navigate all the media?

    These are the things I couldn't solve easily two years ago ... I'd like to see a decent article that actually covers ALL the aspects of setting up a media PC.

    1. Re:TFA misses a lot. by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 0

      from what I've seen, most free, opensource linux frontends are lacking a lot. namely control using something other than a keyboard/mouse.

      allow me to plug a project of mine: AFX

      a fully extensible frontent for linux which is designed to play media and games and is designed to be fully controlled with a joystick (no need for a keyboard/mouse).

      its still in development with no releases.

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    2. Re:TFA misses a lot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from what I've seen, most free, opensource linux frontends are lacking a lot. namely control using something other than a keyboard/mouse.

      MythTV is controllable solely with a remote control.

      It has just about everything I could think of that you'd want with a media PC. My only complaint would be that the menu system is a bit of a maze.

    3. Re:TFA misses a lot. by solarium_rider · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree, he spends most the article on how he set up his wireless card and how he set his clock?

      For starters, here's a list of things it would of been nice if he covered if he were to fill us in on the media part(in no particular order):
      * Sound card? Is he using on board sound? Does it support hardware mixing, if not, what kind of software mixing is he using. Does he have a digital connection to his receiver for ac3 passthrough, and pcm output?

      * More information on the video card. He says it supports multiple HD standards, but says it only has a composite and s-video output (i'm assuming in addition to the dvi/vga,) but no component out. How is he gonna output HD then? AFAIK, the nvidia support for HD out requires component out, else you have to set your custom modelines (as the latest nvidia driver 1.0.8178.) While hd output isn't necessary for a home media center I suppose, it increases your geek factor. Is the CPU gonna be fast enough to output 1080i?

      * Power consumption. Would be nice for him to try and reduce the power on the unit, when it's not being used, considering it'll probably be idle most the time.

      * Choice of case for something thats pleasing to the eye, and silent to the ear. Not a big problem if it's tucked away. But usually these things are in the living/family rooms alongside the entertainment center.

      * Controllability: How is he controlling it? x11vnc? Mouse? Keyboard? lirc? What kinds of issues do you run into with these different choices.

      * Software: He spends out two paragraphs on using totem and rhythmbox. How well did these integrate with his media in being able to play everything (other than the spew about OGG and mp3, flac anyone?), why is it important that gstream is uninstalled? Would be nice if he had tried some kind of fully-featured software that plays video and audio...He mentions a 6 in 1 card flash reader...is he using it? If so, with which software?

      Worst LMHC article ever.

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    4. Re:TFA misses a lot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A relatively cheap, used PDA like an iPaq with wifi would work well.

    5. Re:TFA misses a lot. by michelcultivo · · Score: 1

      I found another article that is very interesting.

    6. Re:TFA misses a lot. by Octorian · · Score: 1

      Agreed... In fact, the most important thing that makes an HTPC *special* is the software. Without special software, it is just a "PC connected to a TV".

      I have an HTPC that I put together myself. The hardware is basically *just* a VIA mini-ITX board in a case, and just about nothing else. It network-boots Gentoo off my file server.

      For the software, I have it running MythTV. For control, I recently got an IR remote working with it using lirc. (had been using a keyboard, until I finally stopped procrastinating and bought the IR remote) I can play music, watch videos, and even play video game emulators (with an added USB gamepad) off my TV, using a TV-friendly UI.

      The sad thing is that, even without mentioning any technical details, I just gave a more relevant HTPC-specific blurb than the entire article.

    7. Re:TFA misses a lot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freevo works great with lirc. (Others have mentioned Myth.)

    8. Re:TFA misses a lot. by online-shopper · · Score: 1

      wow, a vaporware OSS project. w00t.

    9. Re:TFA misses a lot. by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      Sound card? Is he using on board sound? Does it support hardware mixing, if not, what kind of software mixing is he using. Does he have a digital connection to his receiver for ac3 passthrough, and pcm output?

      Getting S/PDIF out working reliably on nForce-chipset boards tends to be iffy. I had it working OK on the nForce2-based board I was using previously for MythTV, but a desire to capture and play HD from my cable box led me to upgrade the system. It now has an nForce4-based board, and the latest stable ALSA definitely has issues with it. I ended up buying a USB-to-S/PDIF converter, which ended up being about as close to plug-and-play as you're going to get on Linux.

      More information on the video card. He says it supports multiple HD standards, but says it only has a composite and s-video output (i'm assuming in addition to the dvi/vga,) but no component out. How is he gonna output HD then?

      DVI (maybe through an inexpensive DVI-to-HDMI adapter) or VGA. If your HD monitor supports neither, there are VGA-to-component adapters available. (I use DVI.)

      Choice of case for something thats pleasing to the eye, and silent to the ear. Not a big problem if it's tucked away. But usually these things are in the living/family rooms alongside the entertainment center.

      TFA says it's one of MSI's SFF boxen. Most of them aren't too offensive to look at, but they tend to be a bit thin on expansion options. I'm using an Antec Overture, which will hold an ATX motherboard and is fairly quiet (one temperature-controlled 92mm exhaust fan and rubber mounts for the hard drives).

      Beyond that, I'll agree that the article was definitely short on details. It's the kind of subject on which you could easily put together a multi-page writeup (multiple pages filled with text and pictures, not a Tom's Hardware-style "multi-page" where you get a paragraph or two along with each page full of ads).

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  8. fwiw, not that you'd want to... by enrico_suave · · Score: 1

    you could do a samba share and playback/stream almost anything on a non-linux HTPC solution (given enough elbow grease and initial config)

    But of course if you already had a linux backend why not have a linux front end... usually the biggest barrier is comfortableness with linux (or a certain adventersome spirit if a life long windoze user)... once you get over that it's pretty straightforward :)

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  9. Why wireless? by DietCoke · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Why wireless? When I transfer a movie file to my HTPC from my main PC, I want it be available to play on the other PC by the time I get to the living room.

    I suppose that'd take more work, but there's something infinitely more enjoyable about transferring a full DVD around the house at gigabit speeds :) Even if it's just an Xvid-encoded video, it's still got more oooh and ahhh to it than a Linux HTPC could ever have just on it's own.

    1. Re:Why wireless? by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even better is the 400 disc DVD changer and a video patch panel with a remote control. That's ooh aaahhh. No PC required.

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    2. Re:Why wireless? by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      eh, you shouldn't need to copy it you should just be able to stream it off of wherever it is.

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    3. Re:Why wireless? by DietCoke · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Nah - that requires that you leave another PC or server on. No need to use power unnecesarily.

    4. Re:Why wireless? by norton_I · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My (admittedly old) 200 disc DVD changer is slow and annoying. I would much rather have my DVDs ripped onto a HTPC or streamed over the network from my fileserver.

  10. DLNA is working on this by digitalsushi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    DLNA, the digital living network alliance, http://www.dlna.org/about is a group working on standards to make it streamlined for your TV to grab files off your windows server, linux server, mp3 player, et cetera. Basically makes all your devices share the media together. I know nothing about it other than the roughest overview, but if anyone else knows of it please comment.

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    1. Re:DLNA is working on this by Paul+Bristow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's based on UPnP AV Mediaserver protocols. There are projects around working on UPnP clients and servers and sample code from Intel for Linux.

      It's complicated to get your head around because of the Jargon used in DLNA but a little effort makes you realise what an elegant, distributed, powerful set-up this is. My favourite part is the proxy media server service that allows a server to also act as the directory listing for ALL servers on the network, providing a simple way to access all media, regardless of location.

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    2. Re:DLNA is working on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a little effort ... and also $500 to purchase the DLNA guidelines :-( It's a shame that the specifications for this "open" standard are not available for free.

  11. Mvix by DrugCheese · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been running a linux home entertainment box for a couple years now. I use SuSE ( I think I have Suse 9.3 on there now) and a matrox video card with TV out. My sound I run directly into my stereo system. I use mplayer mostly to play my videos and I still use mp3blaster to play my tunes. Although I have a wireless mouse n keyboard hooked up to it, it's a pain because I still need to get up and turn on the monitor because the text is too hard for me to read on my TV.

    The computer I've been using recently for this task has kind of been overkill so I was happy to find today the Mvix Multimedia Player. As far as I know it runs linux. Just needs a harddrive installed and it's ready to run. I'm thinking of replacing my computer with it so I can use my computer for other tasks (I can always find something). Anyone heard of Mvix before?

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    1. Re:Mvix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have this old Toshiba Satellite 35DVD (S35DVD) that runs Gentoo Linux + xorg + fluxbox and mplayer. + stereo system for superb sound (Jamo speakers)
      My TV (Salora 16:9 100Hz) has RGB input.
      Thats it! This is my home entertainment center.

  12. UPnP by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 1

    It looks like the media center standards are going to be wrappd around UPnP technologies. Specifically DHWG UPnP.

    In setting up various test and used Media Servers and DVR systems, it all comes back to a standard for the servers and the clients.

    Windows Media Center takes a lot of flack being MS, but it works in this senerio for a lot of items, as it uses UPnP.

    It is only a start though, as should have been stronger as UPnP was built into WindowsXP from 2001. MS will be adding more UPnP technologies in the upcoming Longhorn Server, as well as the Vista clients will also be more robust even as home media servers.

    Not that we will all run to use the MS technologies, but it will push the consumer market as they are the 800lb Gorilla, heck this is what the XBox 360 is using and I already know a lot of 360 owners that are adopting other UPnP and Media Center devices because of this 'little' push already.

    Also the Media Extenders that were initially created for Windows Media Center are DHWG UPnP compatible already and are helping to create a device market. (And they don't have to use Windows Media Center PCs, most of them support UPnP streaming from any server, especially the newer models.

    There are tons of good UPnP clients and Server technologies and devices out there, check out everything from TwonkyMedia for servers to D-Link for standalone clients.

    Maybe someone could do a google and provide a more complete list of compatible server and client products, if so please add to this thread to help people out trying to piece together a good system using MS or non-MS technologies.

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  13. Here's how I did it by flar2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I also use ubuntu for a multimedia PC. Actually setting it up is nothing special. I'm using low end hardware, a 1000 MHz Duron, 512 MB RAM, an nVidia geforce4 ($30 new) with S-video output, and the onboard sound of the Asus A7N8X-X. This computer is in our living room and connected to a wired 100 Mbit network. I connected the video card and the sound to a home theatre reciever using S-video and RCA cables, respectively. Ubuntu detected and configured all of my hardware automatically. I downloaded the latest nvidia driver installer and ran it, it installed cleanly and I used their settings GUI to configure the TV output. Then, I had to restart X to get the TV output working. Next I installed mplayer and downloaded all the codecs from their website. All of my multimedia stuff is on my office computer, so I share it with the multimedia computer using NFS. This folder is accessed by an icon on the GNOME desktop, and nautilus file manager shows nice big preview thumbnails of movies, and also previes sounds when the cursor is held over the icon. I watch movies using mplayer (it's able to play everything I've thrown at it), and listen to music using Beep Media Player, gnome-cd, and for internet radio, Streamtuner is excellent for finding quality streams. The cheapo graphics card didn't come with a remote, but a wireless optical mouse ($15) works just as well on the couch cushion right beside me. Our DVD player is getting quite a coating of dust on it these days.

    1. Re:Here's how I did it by giorgosts · · Score: 1

      does the sound card give you 5.1 sound under linux or you export digital to the home theater?

    2. Re:Here's how I did it by tqft · · Score: 1

      Is your ubuntu up to date? If so try copying some files to a CD-RW for me.

      Seems like someone has broken something - pmount I think in breezy. Not sure if the upstream changes (for dapper) have been backported yet.

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  14. I have never had a problem by shadowofdarkness · · Score: 0

    My modded Xbox with Xbox media center plus Linux with Samba work perfect I stream music, videos and I have never even had a problem with any a/v codecs

    1. Re:I have never had a problem by Steve.Murray · · Score: 1

      Yes, I too thought it was a overly complicate solution in the article. Modifying an xbox for less than $150 and putting XBMC on it will play all media direct over an SMB share - and that's with S-Video or even Component HD video out and Optical digital sound out.. In fact I play ALL my media (after sold all my CD's) through my xbox - including playing DVD's directly when needed. Currently it connects to a couple of servers, totallying about 300GB of divx/xvid and ogg/mp3 - perhaps a little pr0n too... In fact.. even plays streaming video such as Apple's movie trailers, CNN streaming news, Shoutcast radio etc etc etc. With a modded xbox and a auto-install for XBMC you could be up and running in under 30 minutes (including downloading and burning the CD of the auto-installer). Oh.. and it's small, quiet and fairly neat too, with an IR receiver for it's own - or programmable remotes too if you buy the DVD playback kit (just to get the IR Receiver)

  15. Stupidest article ever seen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the most uninformative article yet on Slashdot. Other than the details of the workarounds for the different hardware on his system to work with linux (and what's new in that! LOL!), there's no information about what the interface is like, how does he control it using a TV-like remote, capture HDTV, view TV schedules, pause live tv, skip commercials automatically, etc.

    This is just another we can (try to) do it with Linux article. The guy should have at least tried using MythTV and told us the actual issues in setting that up.

    Compared to the commercial products like Sage, BeyondTV, and of course Microsoft Windows Media Center Edition, this is a 5-year old's level of gratification. How easy it is to satisfy a Linux nerd - something as simple as streaming stuff off a different computer is enuf to get an article and be featured on /. Pity!

    1. Re:Stupidest article ever seen by freeweed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      something as simple as streaming stuff off a different computer is enuf to get an article and be featured on /. Pity!

      Considering how poorly device manufacturers are at making this work, you have no business making fun of this article.

      I've looked at about a dozen consumer-level devices to do this, and so far, every single one has some stupid dependency or other. Whether it's the need for their "server" software, or the full-blown "you must run Windows or get the fuck out of my face" like Media Centre, NO ONE has come up with this:

      A device that plays DVDs, AND can read files from a SMB (Windows, or Samba) share. Maybe something else. I don't care, as many of the available devices force you to navigate a directory heirarchy anyway. Plays mp3, ogg, mpeg2 and 4, avi (Divx and xvid), qt, etc. Preferably with the ability to update codecs/container formats as required, but even being able to play what was current a year ago today would be nice.

      You laugh, but multi-billion dollar companies haven't managed this yet. A basic PC with a good Knoppix/Ubuntu install/CD would do this. I think it's worth an article, if only to show just how stupid the consumer electronics market is.

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    2. Re:Stupidest article ever seen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xbox with XBMC will do this very nicely...

    3. Re:Stupidest article ever seen by supertsaar · · Score: 1

      Did you try this one ?
      http://www.kiss-technology.com/ Yes it requires ' their own' server software but people have made their own as well....

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    4. Re:Stupidest article ever seen by greg1104 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you think this article is stupid now, just wait until it shows up again as a dupe.

    5. Re:Stupidest article ever seen by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

      Can the KISS products record live tv and do timeshifting or control a computer that does?

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    6. Re:Stupidest article ever seen by supertsaar · · Score: 1

      Ehm...yes.....:)

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    7. Re:Stupidest article ever seen by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

      The network media one or only the time based ones? Also it seems like they are limited in the formats they can play.

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    8. Re:Stupidest article ever seen by supertsaar · · Score: 1

      Uhm I think its the ones with the harddrives that do recording.
      No they don't play .wmf or .ogm.....

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    9. Re:Stupidest article ever seen by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

      I have made some... bad recording choises ... over the last couple of years which has resulted in a music collection in mp3, ogg, and aac. Also I have lots of video, mp4, wmv, mov, and *shudder* rm. Those really become inaccessable from this device though my modded xbox is always capable of using the non-HD stuff. But I would really need both HD and TV recording/timeshifting, (in an open format though it looks like this does do that), before I got something. I would prefer that they provided something I could put in my back room, (to avoid the HDD/fan noise), and interface w/ a thin client at the TV.

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  16. Re:Me too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True Linux User (TM) ... nano ...

    Nano??? Everyone knows that True(TM) Linux(TM) Users use vi.

    *ducks the flames*

  17. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR KIND SERVICE SIR!! (n/t) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (n/t)

  18. It would have been an awfully short article... by Minwee · · Score: 4, Informative
    ...if he dropped a KnoppMyth CD in the drive, booted it, selected "Install Everything" and then confirmed that he did want the default settings a few times.

    But where is the epic struggle in that?

    1. Re:It would have been an awfully short article... by ladybugfi · · Score: 3, Informative

      KnoppMyth is not the uber-solution. I have built a KnoppMyth box and while some of the stuff worked out of the box, there were still a lot of things that required tweaking to get right. I had SATA problems, MythTV FULL SCAN problems, PID problems (PID as in DVB provider id), non-existing /usr/local/bin/mplayer, non-functional DVB subtitling etc. And in addition to Myth config, I also had to tweak xine config to get 5.1 passthru.

      While this struggle was not epic (although I did document it in Finnish, 5 pages or so, instead of 1 in the article), I would not call KnoppMyth a SW that you "just drop a CD in the drive and install". But then again, I didn't expect that when deciding that KnoppMyth would be my HTPC SW.

  19. Re:Me too. by erveek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great minds think alike. However, as a True Linux User (TM) I've resorted to converting all my media into ASCII so I could view it in GNU nano by keeping my fingers on ^V. True, it's mostly porn and it takes a lot of my time but i feel my self-respect is worth it !!!


    After a while, I don't even see the code. Just blonde, brunette, redhead.
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  20. Article is definetly skimpy by fwitness · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've built 3 mythTV based Linux boxes now, and I'm always interested in the different configurations. If he truly got this MSI box (which I've seen before), it would be nice to see if he got the LCD to do anything useful besides the time, and does the volume knob actually work. He also ignores the remote, and how he actually controls the thing on TV. Even with wireless, a keyboard and mouse on your TV are far inferior to a good UI with a remote control.

    To the author: Go back and get some more specifics, then revisit your article. Linux people are devils, we're all about the details.

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  21. Gentoo is a better choice by billstr78 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    better documentation, easier MythTV integration, better hardware support. Had a great time putting together a Myth box with very modern hardware. Blogged about it too.

    1. Re:Gentoo is a better choice by gall0ws · · Score: 1

      [...] better hardware support [...]

      *no distro-war* but.. Gentoo, like all GNU/Linux distros, uses Linux kernel.

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  22. Great by Justin+Shreve · · Score: 2

    Now I can view the Goatse.ca link also provided by the author with my fresh home media center.

  23. Slashdot Editor's Brother ... by billstr78 · · Score: 2

    ... Must have wrote this Linux.com article. I can't think of any reason such a brief and incomplete article would have made it to the front page. There are 100 better treatments of this subject out there, this is more of a discouragement than motivation to build one on your own.

  24. MythTV under Mandriva, works for me... by msimm · · Score: 0

    But I think things that get missed a lot are (in no particular order) A: noise. These things are noisy, my wife HATES that. CDROM's, hard drives, CPU fans, box intake/outtake, vibration, etc. B: quality, I've built my system based on a 64 bit Athlon 3000+ with a Hauppauge WinTV tuner, and Sound Blaster Live! card and a gig of memory. Watching 'live' TV at decent quality can take the CPU to 20-15% idle. That means skips and such. I know I could replace my TV tuner with a Hauppauge 150 (dual tuners, hardware based encoding, etc) but that leave HDTV unaddressed (I had to explain to my wife that we couldn't get digital cable because that great HTPC box I'd built wouldn't support it. C: sound quality. YMMV, maybe it's my setup. Maybe its cross-talk. Maybe its alsa configuration (alsa is a bitch). Thats my project this weekend. D: support. MythTV is a wonderful project. I love it (don't get the wrong idea because I've said all this other stuff, my hats off). But the development has slowed (understandably, the developer is employed and probably likes to eat and stuff) and things that set it appart from something like...say Tivo (ie working commercial skip) don't work quite as well as they used to. E: inconsistencies. Why does my tv view use different hot-keys then the DVD viewer? F: PITA. You know, I work on computers all day. Linux systems for a commercial company. I get to see all sorts of things go right, and wrong. Keeping a functional MythTV setup can be just as challenging. Updates (OS or otherwise) can break things. Setting mysteriously being lost. All those little things that make my wife think I'm a nut for spending so much money and time for a geeky toy that makes more noise then she likes.

    That rant probably about covers it. To be fair there are tons of things I love about it or I'd be using a cheaper and simpler Tivo. The video manager with the IMDB lookup and the cover grabs is sweet. Music management is pretty nice too, although I'd like a nicer (read more money) sound card and speaker setup to use that and even then my wife would probably rather NOT turn on the TV to listen to tunes (GOOM!). DVD rip and archiving is nice (although I still tend to vobcopy, but its there and a nice touch). RSS feed, web-browsing, email checking, weather lookup, voip functionality. There sure is a lot there.

    But at the end of the day its an expensive habit (can't wait to try to find a HDTV tuner with hardware based encoding that also works under Linux) that really takes someone pretty patient to use it.

    I fit that description and hope to see things continue to improve (or at least Isaac stay happy, healthy and employeed). If you'll excuse me now I've got some Stargate to watch. Commercial (crosses fingers) free.

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    1. Re:MythTV under Mandriva, works for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      ...can't wait to try to find a HDTV tuner with hardware based encoding that also works under Linux...

      HDTV shouldn't need hardware encoding. For over-the-air HDTV (which is ATSC), the hardware just tunes in the ATSC digital stream and you've got already-encoded MPEG2 High Definition video. Just save the raw MPEG stream.

      And there are cards under Linux that support this, like pchdtv.com's HD-3000 PCI card.

      Now how well and convenient it is to actually get them working is another question. That's one of the drawbacks of open source.
    2. Re:MythTV under Mandriva, works for me... by msimm · · Score: 1

      I didn't know that about the HDTV. That said the way things work, with driver support being what it is and any changes thrown into the mix I'll have to wait to see what kind of CPU utilization turns up when I can get my hands on one.

      At $169.98 the price point is much better then last time I looked. Like I said in my post, I'm a believer. But a Tivo is looking incrementally more attractive. I've got to solve the fan-noise issues, sound quality issue and CPU utilization or the project really is just an over-priced geek toy. Which my wife has very little patience for. :)

      Thanks for the info.

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    3. Re:MythTV under Mandriva, works for me... by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      I know I could replace my TV tuner with a Hauppauge 150 (dual tuners, hardware based encoding, etc) but that leave HDTV unaddressed

      1. It's the PVR-500 that has the dual tuners, not the PVR-150.
      2. For HD, run a FireWire cable from your HD cable box to your computer. You should be able to get at least the local HD channels this way. In Las Vegas, I'm getting not just local channels, but most of the other digital-cable channels as well (except non-broadcast HD and pay-TV channels, mostly). If your computer doesn't already support FireWire, a card will set you back maybe $20 or $30.
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  25. +RSS+Bittorrent = Project for Open Source Media by bigbensheldo · · Score: 1

    Check out the Project for Open Source Media(POSM) as they are developing a Linux run set-top HTPC box. I've actually got an alpha version in my living room right now. At the moment it is proof of concept using some 5 year old whiteboxes (with new video card and 200GB HD), Azureus, Gnome Nautilus, some shell scripts and a Packard Bell remote control, but it looks and works great.

    In addition to all the standard HTPC features, the POSM box uses RSS feeds with bittorrent enclosures like the awesome Pep Del.icio.us feed) to download great looking video automatically. Plus the POSM guys have gone to trouble of fine tuning the outputs (an Nvidia MX4000, ~$30) so they are nearly broadcast quality with proper whites and overscan.

    With a high quality MP4 file (like I'm pulling from the DigitalBicycle Project (I'm a developer on the project) you seriously can't tell the difference between that and television.

  26. How easy is it to get it to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think linux should focus making an easy to use OS before anything else. True i would probably use linux just to see how it goes, but after a while loss patience with the amount of time needing to setup stuff and give up. I can sacrifice security on my home computer/TV for convience, considering i have nothing valuable to steal on their.

  27. No pictures, no codec information, just sysadmin by heroine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So where are the pictures of the HTPC? What format is the media stored in? What movies does it have? How many movies does it have? How much does it cost to have a dedicated NFS server, a separate dedicated HTPC, a monitor for the NFS server and a second monitor for the HTPC? In what country can you afford to have 2 of everything? Is it supposed to play movies or just mount a filesystem over NFS? How many times have you set up NFS anyway?

  28. What is a "Home Media Center?" by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

    Really, it all depends on what the device is going to be used for. I have been planning on making a unit for a while, and here is what I will use it for, and here are my requirements:
    Useage: Playing music, and only music, through a receiver.

    Requirements:
    Storage: Preferably at least 200GB.
    Sound quality: Very good - meaning outstanding Linux support and digital optical out.
    Noise: silent. There's no point in listening to FLAC files if you have to overpower the machine with the music.
    Interaction: wireless remote - shouldn't be too complicated, basically a DVD player's remote, but with even less buttons.
    Speed: How fast it boots up - I don't want to have to wait more than 10 seconds, which means that POST better take no time at all, and that kernel better load quickley as well.

    Extra-nice touchs:
    A case that I fabricate myself to blend in with stereo equipment
    LED display like those on CD and DVD players in addition to the on-screen display/navigation.

    Why I havn't built it yet:
    1) Price - it's too expensive for a college student to have a PSU that doesn't need a fan, and good sound cards cost too much money for said group. With the parts available today (which I wouldn't even want to use, read #2), I would have to spend over $700, which is a lot of money right now for me to listen to music.
    2) Availability of parts - I don't want to build one of these until we have solid-state storage that has the capacities I want, and at a moderate price.

    1. Re:What is a "Home Media Center?" by bombshelter13 · · Score: 1

      While I agree with a few of your points, some of the others seem to be a little off.

      >Noise: silent. There's no point in listening to FLAC files if you have to overpower the
      >machine with the music.

      Where'd you rip your FLAC files from? CDs, right?
      Let's see... the way things were originally designed, you played CDs by spinning them on a motor in a CD player. Was it hard for you to hear the details in your music over the roar of your CD player's optical drive? No, it didn't matter because you had music on and the player was halfways across the room. Modern hard drives are at leas as quiet as optical drives, providing you buy from a quality manufacturer (*cough* Seagate *cough*). So playing 44.1 khz, 16 bit audio from a player using a hard drive should be no worse than playing 44.1 khz, 16 bit audio from a player using an optical drive.

      >2) Availability of parts - I don't want to build one of these until we have solid-state >storage that has the capacities I want, and at a moderate price.
      How is flash advantageous over a hard drive for a media centre PC? Flash's main advantage is that it's got no moving parts, which is useful when you're A) moving the device around with you and require it to be resitant to drops/bumps, or possibly B) sitting right beside it and likely to notice the noise. The disadvantage is that it costs more per gigabyte, and this is likely to remain the case for at least a little while longer. With a media centre device, you are neither carrying it with you or sitting right beside it, so being quiet and resistant to bumps isn't that useful., you're better off spending the same money on a hard drive and getting more sace per dollar, since that actually benefits you in this situation. A hard drive spinning across the room is already an improvement noise wise compared to an optical drive spinning or VHS tape spinning across the room, and people never seemed to have any problem with the noise that generated. And bump resistance provides very little benefit when the device is going to basically be sitting motionless for months (if not years) at a time. >1) Price - it's too expensive for a college student to have a PSU that doesn't need a fan, >and good sound cards cost too much money for said group. With the parts available today >(which I wouldn't even want to use, read #2), I would have to spend over $700, which is a >lot of money right now for me to listen to music. They're not ~that~ expensive. I mean, really, you can grab a SST-ST365 for about 40$ or so and they're damn quiet.

    2. Re:What is a "Home Media Center?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use a laptop (they're generally near-silent) and keep it in a drawer. Silent perfection. You'll probably need an external sound card if you want optical out, and you can either settle for 60 gig laptop HD, or use a big USB HD and some sound absorbing foam, or keep the music on a network somewhere (network attached hard drive or other machine). USB remote too, with the reciever hanging out of the drawer.
      Get a lappy with a broken screen off ebay for peanuts and you can do this for under three hundred dollars, easy (if you were expecting fifty bucks then you should lay off the opium).
      In short, quit your bitchin' and do it. Or do you want to be listening to CDs like some caveman?

    3. Re:What is a "Home Media Center?" by JazzHarper · · Score: 2, Informative

      You should get a Squeezebox. I think it meets all your requirements:

      * Excellent sound quality. Supports MP3, WMA, FLAC, AAC, WAV and Ogg Vorbis.
      * Analog, digital and digital/optical outputs. Analog quality is better than any sound card.
      * The box is absolutely silent--no moving parts. You can keep your server in a different room from your listening area. You can use just about any existing/surplus computer as your server; there's no need to build a fanless machine.
      * Completely controllable through its remote or from a web-based interface.
      * Display is visible across the room.
      * Takes about one second to come out of hibernation.

      The downsides:
      - Form factor--doesn't fit in a rack.
      - The web-based interface is clunky.

      The server software is open source and runs on Linux, Windows and Mac. There is a Squeezebox emulator called SoftSqueeze that you can use to try out the system before you buy anything.

      I don't work for Slim Devices--just a satisfied customer.

    4. Re:What is a "Home Media Center?" by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1
      Laptops are not quiet. Whenever my roommate shuts his laptop at night, the thing roars into overdrive and is louder than my desktop. Plus, storage and soundcards would be my problems with a laptop.

      The squeezebox sounds interesting, I will definately have to investigate that some more, especially once I get my receiver back from my sister.

  29. Mandingo Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's all this racket I've been hearing about Mandingo Linux lately?

  30. Re:i like the way you work it (no diggity) by lpcustom · · Score: 1

    I do believe all the mention of Slashdot on Digg.com has brought digg users here....

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  31. Tomahawk may be a better choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When it comes to multimedia, I think the Tomahawk Desktop (http://www.tomahawkcomputers.com/) may be a better choice.

    Wireless networking was right out of the box on my Centrino based Dell Inspiron 8600 laptop. I play high-definition video clips, DVD, digital radios (www.club977.com), mp3 and Ogg files.

  32. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's different about this and just installing linux? This should be titled Linux PC, theres nothing special about it that make it a media center. You installed linux, installed totem, and mounted a network drive. That's like me saying I made a racing car by taking my De Lorian and throwing a decal on the side.

  33. It's mostly porn? by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    True, it's mostly porn and it takes a lot of my time but i feel my self-respect is worth it !!!

    Are you talking about the goatse as the submitter's link?

    Okay, this is flipping hilarious. After the whole brouhaha, Slashdot listened to the tyranny of the majority and added nofollow on submitter links. Now we have glorious links like goatse instead. Awesome.

  34. Re:Me too. by mhesseltine · · Score: 1

    mplayer -vo aalib video Same result, without the pesky scrolling, plus sound.

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  35. video cards for HDTV by greenrom · · Score: 1

    Everytime I see an article about building a media center PC, people always seem to use normal composite or S-Video outputs. Is there a good solution for HD output? Is there a video card supported by linux that can do Y-Cr-Cb component video output at 720p or 1080i? I once had an ATI card that would do this, but it only worked in Windows and even then it didn't compensate for overscan so 10% of the screen got chopped off. Some people have been able to use PowerStrip under windows to get certain video cards to output HDTV compatable timings for TVs that support RGB component inputs. Obviously, this solution is less than ideal. Last time I looked, there wasn't a good solution. Maybe things have changed. Ideally, I'd like to find a video card with HDMI output, but I'm guessing that doesn't exist either. Maybe a fellow slashdotter can prove me wrong.

    1. Re:video cards for HDTV by SmartSsa · · Score: 1

      Rumour has it nVidia supports HDTV output using Y-Cr-Cb and DVI->HDMI adapters. The HD resolution is dependant on the card's chipset of course. Maybe I'll give it a go some day.

    2. Re:video cards for HDTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have my hdtv mythtv setup working properly. If google, I have modelines settings to get the right resolutions for HDTV playback. I'm using the nivdia dvi connection to the tv's hdmi connection.

      Works great.....

  36. You are admitting to illegal copying of media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People like you are the reason why music and video companies are copy protecting their media to try to prevent illegal copying. In the end, all of us will have to pay more since and jobs will be lost.

    1. Re:You are admitting to illegal copying of media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People like you are the reason why the human race might eventually become extinct. In the end, all of us will cease to exist because of you.

    2. Re:You are admitting to illegal copying of media by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "In the end, all of us will have to pay more since and jobs will be lost."

      I love it when people over-simplify and fail to actually investigate both sides of this issue. It is thinking like the above that almost stopped VCR's with the claim they'd be the end of movies and theatres, when in fact they ended up increasing the rate of movies, the money in the movie business, and the profit of movie companies. This was accomplished by the movie industry changing their business models to exploit the new technology, not fight it. It's even more futile to fight it now as the end users don't rely on third parties (e.g., VCR manufactures) being legally able to build the technology. The users can create the technology themselves whether legal or not, and do so in secret.

      Radio was going to kill music production. Cable TV was going to kill networks. VCR was going to kill movies. P2P/filesharing is going to kill movies/music. Sound familiar? I have yet to see a single example of where such claims have ever proven right. (Yes, automobiles put carriage manufactures out of buiness, but that's replacing an old technology with a new one, not destroying the content creation business by changing the delivery technology.)

  37. LMHC... by Hymer · · Score: 1

    Why not just buy a KISS DP-558 ? Kiss homepage
      It is not 100% Open Source but it runs on Linux... it looks just like a large DVD player and the design of the box could be B&O's.

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  40. My own HTSRV project status by Xenna · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have had a MythTV box running for a few months (after earlier unsuccessful attempts with freevo and older MythTV versions.

    I boght a Hauppauge PVR350 card (analog TV) and used the "MythTV on Fedora" howto (google) and I was very satified with the results. So satisfied that I bought another Hauppauge PVR500 card so that I ended up with 3 tuners.

    My setup is non-standard for two reasons:

    1. My HTserver (HTSRV) is located in my server room. This considerably improves the WAF and keeps the living room nice and clean and quiet. I transport the A/V signals over CAT5 (using two baluns) to the point where the cable-TV enters the house. There a modulator mixes the signal with the regular cable channels so I can watch my MythTV HTserver's TV-Out anywhere in the house.

    2. Now I needed a way of controlling my MythTV server from behind any of my TV sets. To solve that I used my SqueezeBoxes ( http://www.slimdevices.com/ ). I wrote a Slimserver plugin (Perl) that taps into LIRC and allows me to control the MythTV server with the remotes from the Squeezeboxes.

    I'm thinking of replacing my living room audio system with a pair of powered speakers so that I'll end up with 'just' a TV, a small Squeezebox and two speakers. No 5.1 speaker setups for me, I just can't stand all that clutter. ;)

    There's another interesting project that I plan to look into. It uses Hauppauge's small and inexpensive $69 MediaMVP boxes (miniature diskless computers that run linux with Remotes and TV-Out) to build MythTV and SlimServer frontends:

    http://mvpmc.sourceforge.net/idx.php?pg=main

    This is nice because it allows you to watch different programs & recordings on different TV-sets, which my current setup doesn't allow you to do. Worth looking into if you're interested in a distributed media network rather than just a boring HTPC or HTSRV ;)

    X.

    1. Re:My own HTSRV project status by nebulous_afterthough · · Score: 1

      Mind sharing your plug-in code? I'm VERY interested in doing this at my house.

    2. Re:My own HTSRV project status by Xenna · · Score: 1

      OK, it still lacks documentation, though ;)

      You'll need these 2 Perl scripts:

      http://213.84.196.8/slim2lirc/lircjb
      http://213.84.196.8/slim2lirc/Mythbox.pm

      lircjb is a 'junction box' for LIRC. It can be inserted between the 'real' lircd socket and a second one. It then allows input form other sources to be added to the stream of LIRC commands.

      Since I don't use LIRC itself, I have the following line in my rc.local: /usr/local/bin/lircjb -p 12345 -a /dev/lircd &

      Input is accepted on UDP port 12345 and output on /dev/lircd which is read by the LIRC aware applications.

      The Mythbox.pm SlimServer plugin is preconfigured to transmit to UDP 12345 on localhost. Use irw (comes with LIRCD) to see the button strings arriving on the /dev/lircd socket when you activate the plugin and press remote buttons. Then adapt ~/.lircrc to your whishes.

      Contact me on xenna@myown.mailcan.com if you have further questions.

  41. Heh by Delifisek · · Score: 1

    This is not Linux Based Media Center PC... This is just Audio Video output from linux based machine.

    If I remember correctly there was firm makes satellite recivers using with Linux. That box do same thing like this machine. It support NFS (Record or playback) also higher model has build in hdd support. Of course it had Satellite and TV inputs...

    Man, look latest Tech Show reports, if we call this thing a media center pc, they laugh us with other than mouth...

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    1. Re:Heh by octopus72 · · Score: 1

      You are referring to Dreambox. That receiver is best there is. it allows people ("pirates") to seamlessly watch encrypted content using keys available on internet. It also allows card sharing and many more. Based on PPC processor, and platform is open meaning yo ucan install custom programs. All that has led to great community support for the receiver. I regret for not buying it, instead I got a PC (athlon-xp) with skystar2 and dxr3 card for cca $200. System is ubuntu 5.10 (with lost of custom adjustment), VDR+SC+xine combination for now. DXR3 is useless until I connect composite output to cable because my TV doesn't support s-video input. Bet would of course be RGB but dxr3 requires hardwre modification for that.

  42. MythTV. I love it, but I hate it..... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1

    As much as I dislike Windows, on a decent machine, I'd much rather use XP MCE over Linux/MythTV. I've used MythTV for a while, and although it is extremely feature rich, it just doesn't feel speedy. I've got a Barton 2500+, and if that isn't enough to run the menu fast enough (I'm assuming faster computers still don't feel set-top-box worthy), there's something wrong. WMCE's interface w/ 3d-accelerated graphics seems very very slick and quick. Something that is needed for your casual user used to the typical quick TV menu responses. Maybe I'm just being picky though.....

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  43. Quick & dirty 'home media center' for the lazy by slashmojo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My 'solution' for the terminally lazy and/or cheap.. (like me)

    The Server

    PC with big disk running linux (or windows if you prefer)

    Install Apache

    symlink media directories to default apache home directory

    Done.

    The Player(s)

    An old laptop is what I use but you could of course use any pc, maybe a mac mini or whatever takes your fancy.

    On the laptop I use firefox with the mplayer plugin - I had to disable local caching in the plugin otherwise it was a bit choppy.

    So to play any content from the 'media server' I just browse to it with firefox and click to play.. (and select full screen mode for vids of course) Dead easy and effective enough for my needs.

    You could make an interface to the media with perl/php if apache directory listings are not flash enough for you.. ;)

    Note this solution would work equally with windows or anything else that runs apache on the server and a browser with media player plugin on the viewer.. which narrows it down to everything out there I think.

    Using a laptop for viewing in my case means I can send video output to a tv or projector easily since a tv-out is built in and 'just works'.

    The above assumes you have a home network of some kind setup.. and make sure your firewall doesn't allow the world to access your webserver.. ;)

  44. GeeXboX by Uukrul · · Score: 1

    I have been using GeeXboX , based on Linux and MPlayer, for a couple of years and it works well.
    You can install it, but it's not necessary. So it's very easy to use.
    From the website:
    At the time of the first development releases (Dec. 2002), it was only capable of playing DivX movies, but now, nearly every kind of media file can be played with GeeXboX, with the OS supporting :
    * MPEG 1/2 movies (MPG files, VCDs, DVDs ...)
    * MPEG 4 movies (DivX, XviD, H.264 ...)
    * RealMedia and Windows Media movies.
    * OggMedia streams
    * Matroska streams
    * Audio streams like : MP3, Ogg/Vorbis, WAV (AudioCD), AC3, MusePack (MPC), FLAC ...
    * Network streams : WebRadio and WebTV
    * Watching analog TV and digital DVB



    So may be it isn't a "Home Media Center" but a standalone media player on steroids.

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  45. matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    jepp, it worx just like in the matrix movie

  46. only one pci slot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    only one pci slot? am i building a htpc system or having gay sex with a man? you guys tell me.

  47. Gentoo != Linux by MarkByers · · Score: 1

    Gentoo, like all GNU/Linux distros, uses Linux kernel.

    Actually you can choose Linux or BSD.

    http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/

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  48. Nothing beats MediaPortal by Poromenos1 · · Score: 1

    I recently downloaded and tried out MediaPortal (open source) and I have to say, it's the best I've seen. It scans your collection and downloads plots, actors, box pictures etc from IMDB so you can see everything about a movie. It plays TV/radio with a TV tuner card, has plugins, looks great and is overall fantastic.

    I had a bit of a problem controlling it because my remote was sluggish, but I found Bluetooth Remote Control (trial version) on a website yesterday and now I control it from my Bluetooth mobile and it's as if I'm using a keyboard. Even just for the "wow" factor, it's great.

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  49. Re:Me too. by orangeacid · · Score: 1

    And me. I call it GNU/Media.

  50. Re:Me too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, you have way too much time on your hands.

  51. Does he work for Microsoft? by Conor+Turton · · Score: 2
    I've just RTFA. Talk about an excellent job in putting people off doing it the Linux way. "This didn't work so I had to do this bodge. That didn't work so I had to do this bodge. This other thing didn't work so I got out my trusty string to hold it all together."

    If you want to put people off trying the very capable Linux MC distros and scare them into using Windows MCE, just point them to the article.

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  52. Drop the "media", just an old Linux box by trandism · · Score: 1

    Pentium III 800Mhz
    256MB RAM
    some nvidia-based card with 64MB
    a Pixelview BTTV-based card
    Gigabit ethernet
    a CRT Nokia 19''
    a DVD-ROM of course

    This is my "media" linux box.

    Now why do we call it "media" is beyond me.
    Gets stuff from the file server and plays it smoothly..

    Music, Video, TV, Radio
    With some nice Logitech speakers

    May seem crazy but when i buy a new computer, it becomes a server.. after a while that gets a little outdated hardware-wise it becomes a desktop and finally what the market today calls a "media" PC.
    Why do the whole planet seems to do it the other way around is once more beyond me..

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  53. Frontend by mmThe1 · · Score: 1

    As another /.er pointed out, good front-end tools are necessary to make this use of Linux desktops viable.
    Here almost everybody associates "Media Center" to a Windows machine.

  54. quiet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mine was once loud, until i discovered you can set a target CPU temp with XBMC. I bumped it up a bit, and now the fan runs at 2% with no problems. I can't hear it at all.

    Buy one that was made before March 11 2004, and you won't even need a modchip (you can flash the bios!)

  55. Re:Me too. by pigreco314 · · Score: 1

    Can this be done with left hand only? I need the right hand free for other purposes.

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  56. Media centers going the wrong way by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1
    I think with the prepackaged software in linux and windows media center, media center computers are finally starting to show polish out of the box. Unfortunately I think linux media centers have somewhat missed a devisive turn.

    Microsoft is starting to lean to a "put the media wherever and use it at your TV" approach. Probably based on the fact that most people already have computers. W/ the xbox 360 and the Windows Media Extenders you can have your media in your computer room and play it anywhere.

    I think this is the right approach. I have my media on a computer in a rack in my back room. Should I get cable I'd build a computer w/ a tv tuner to put in the rack. I don't want a large computer that has to crunch LOTS of data, (particularly to transcode HDTV), sitting making all sorts of noise and heat in my entertainment center. Additionally I don't want one like the one chosen for this article that looks more like my game cube than like my receiver. I want something that no-one even considers is a computer.

    What we need is better linux support for things like uPNP-AV appliances, basically thin clients. The last time I looked at it it was pretty weak. But linux would make a great back end on a computer capable of managing my media in an open framework so I did not have to worry about accessing it. I just need a package I can install on some computer w/ a few TV tuners in it and then plug in some media extender that looks nice in my entertainment center and has no fans which can then control the media capabilities of the TV card and manage HD playback.

    Until this support is available I will probably forego TV recording and HDTV playback. For everything else, (music playing, non-HD video playing, emulators, image viewing), I'll just use my modded xbox and xbox media center. (For those who have never thought about it, modding a used xbox --which takes about an hour-- and installing xbox media center is the best, easiest, and cheapest way to get about everything except TV recording/timeshifting and HD playback.

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  57. Easy with VDR by Sunsetbeach · · Score: 1
    Get yourself a comuter (alt least a 200 MHz Pentium, 128 mb ram) with a huge harddisk, install a full featured DVB card, and install linvdr.

    http://linvdr.org/projects/linvdr/index.en.php

  58. Re:MythTV. I love it, but I hate it..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, something must indeed be wrong... I'm running MythTV (both frontend and backend) on an underclocked T-Bred 2600+, as well as a separate VNC X session (running a bittorrent client and/or some other goodies) for the most part, and the menu certainly isn't slow. In fact, I often unload work onto the MythTV box that I don't want to bog my workstation down with (compression jobs and so on) and it handles them without really breaking a sweat.

    The machine has 512 megs of RAM and an onboard Geforce 4MX class graphics card (sharing 32 megs of video RAM). I will be throwing an extra 256 megs in there next time I get a chance to power it down, but the system ran quite happily previously on 256 megs total RAM.

    Like one of the other posters on the thread, I used the MythTV on Fedora guide to set it up, so I'm running FC4 and KDE under the frontend - not exactly a lightweight install. I'm quite certain if the install was the bare minimum that it would run even faster.

  59. Ideal Media Setup by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    A device that plays DVDs, AND can read files from a SMB (Windows, or Samba) share. Maybe something else. I don't care, as many of the available devices force you to navigate a directory heirarchy anyway. Plays mp3, ogg, mpeg2 and 4, avi (Divx and xvid), qt, etc. Preferably with the ability to update codecs/container formats as required, but even being able to play what was current a year ago today would be nice.

    1. Get an xbox for 100 bucks
    2. Softmod it
    3. Install XBox Media Center
    4. There is no step 4.

  60. Hurah! Now I know how to install desktop ubuntu !! by Wolf+von+Niflheim · · Score: 1


    What the hell is this all about ? I could have written hundreds of articles like this. What does this article tell me :

    1: That ubuntu linux is able to run on an nforce MoBo, realtek 650 sound and an nforce2 video chipset (shocking).
    2: NFS can be used to mount shares over a network (so that's what the N stands for)
    3: Rhytmbox can be used to play and organise music files
    4: Totem is a videoplayer

    So in conclusion it tells me how to install linux, it doesn't bring anything new or innovating to table. What I wanted to see was some creativity in implementing linux for "home theater" use.
    Read the section about linux home entertainment in "Home hacking projects for geeks" by O'reilly instead ;-)

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  61. Re:not that you'd want to... Even more options: by citabjockey · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the media is already on a linux backend server? Why not cable the video/audio from the backend to your tv/audio amp and run the frontend on the same system? Savings includes electric power and the $360 he spent on the box.

    There is another solution, one that provides access to video and audio data and plays on a TV via 100Mbit ent, hauppauge media mvp ($40 on sale at Radio Shack). The open source project mvpmc.org provides access to mythtv recordings and to other mpeg video and mp3 audio data on your server. Reasonable user interface, extreme small form factor, low power consumption, quite a nice box that appears to do nearly everything the author talks about. Also has a fully functional remote control, a VNC client and a slimp3 player!

  62. Well that was useful by MrWorf · · Score: 1

    Upon reading the article, I thought, hey, maybe I missed some cool HTPC app which ties everything together as neatly as XBMC or MCE. When following the link (which actually worked... a first for slashdot :)) it's just some guy installing Ubuntu and making the Totem player work with his system.

    This did _NOT_ deserve a post on slashdot IMHO (or is Ubuntu that hard to install with full video and music support?)

  63. This is an interesting project..... :) by boundless · · Score: 1

    I was thinking of building an project like this, and this was an rather interesting read.

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  64. Utterly Useless by tji · · Score: 1

    That article was useless.. Who cares what hoops he had to jump through to get his particular hardware working. He chose the hardware poorly, making it difficult to set up. This is not relevant to the Home Media Center topic at all, and if anything makes the reader hesitant to use Linux for this purpose.

    Relevant topics would have been:

    - MythTV: provides an excellent media center interface, on par with anything for Windows or MacOS. It provides features that the others can't/won't provide, such as autoamtic commercial detection/removal, transcoding, etc.

    - HDTV integration: Receiver cards, Over-The-Air vs. QAM Cable options, etc.

    - Xine, vlc, mplayer - capabilities, strengths, weaknesses.

    I use MythTV, and I find it to be great. But, DVD playback on Linux I find to be pretty poor. I want a full-screen DVD player, controlled via an IR remote, which can handle VIDEO_TS directories on a file server (not the actual disk). MacOS X's DVD player is better than the Linux options, and there are many better Windows options (like TheaterTek).

  65. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moderators, look at the timestamp before you mod something as redundant. This was the first post to address the wireless issue. Fucktards!

  66. Re:Me too. by psymastr · · Score: 1

    telnet://towel.blinkenlights.nl This is the coolest thing I've ever seen! Nerds really are great man!

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