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Review: Prince of Persia - The Two Thrones
- Title: Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
- Developer/Publisher: Ubisoft
- System:Xbox (PC,PS2,GC)
- Score:7/10
Luckily, the Prince is a resourceful guy. As in previous titles, the focus of Two Thrones' gameplay is on maneuvering the Prince through what is effectively a three dimensional maze. Wall walking, ledge climbing, and impressive leaps all make a comeback from Sands of Time and Warrior Within. There are a few additional moves added into the mix to accommodate new story and combat elements. There is one new platforming element: Shutters. These spring-loaded boards are usually located on walls, and once you reach them by wall walking will rocket you across a room into an unsuspecting enemy. These shutters can often be used to start a Speedkill, the biggest change in the combat system from previous games. If you can approach or leap onto a baddie that is unaware of your presence, you slip into a slow-mo mode that requires you to hit the attack button at precise intervals. Doing so allows the Prince to brutally dispatch a foe with minimal effort and almost no sound. This added stealth element is a welcome change, allowing you the opportunity to quickly take out a room full of baddies and get back to the puzzle part of the game with minimal fuss. If you don't enjoy the normal combat, Speedkilling is the easiest way to get through the game without engaging in a lot of fisticuffs. Frustratingly, it's never entirely obvious when a baddie will notice you or not. If you remain hidden as you approach a baddie you are bathed in a golden glow, but even when approaching from behind it's possible for a guard to break your glow and drop you into normal combat mode.
Normal combat will be very familiar to players of Sands of Time or Warrior Within. The game still has one of the best multi-enemy juggling systems of any console title. It's effortlessly easy to flip and jump between multiple enemies, slicing and dicing until there's no one left alive. While you have your own blade, as in Warrior Within you can steal weapons from opponents both during and after combat. The capability to use multiple weapons ensures that besides the invigorating combat you'll have some options as far as the chopping goes. Combat as the Prince can sometimes be a white-knuckle affair, because for all his dexterity the Prince isn't a front line fighter. Luckily, or unluckily depending on how you look at it, the Prince has a darker half that excels at combat.
The Dark Prince is the result of the fusing of the Prince to the Sand Wraith, and if you thought the Prince had baditude problems in the second game ... you'd be right. But he's a jerk here too, as the Sand Wraith's dark energies force him to do terrible things. Dark Prince is a much more effective combatant, a length of chain (called the Daggertail) extending from his arm proving to be perfect for fending off large groups of foes. Gameplay as the Dark Prince is subtlety different. Every moment he's not in combat drains him of health, as the sands slowly kill his mortal frame. Puzzle completion, then, becomes a mad rush to reach the next fight sequence as almost every foe defeated refills the Dark Prince's health bar. There are a few different puzzle elements, too, as Bionic Commando-style the Dark Prince can swing over obstacles. This new split personality is intriguing both from a gameplay and storytelling standpoint, and re-interested me in the Prince as a character. The gritty Prince from the Warrior Within was such a tool that I found myself losing interest in what happened to him by the end of the game. Here, seeing the slightly edgier but mostly nice-guy Prince from Sands of Time battling it out in his head with the Sand Wraith, I could do nothing but empathize with him.
The game looks as good as ever, the soft visuals and sweeping architecture of the first two games returning with impressive results. Though by today's next-gen standards it may not be cutting edge, the care which the designers put into the look of the game made what power the game's engine does have come to life. Characters are well-textured, but the sometimes blocky animation has thrown me off since the first Prince title. From a sound perspective, I was much happier with Two Thrones than the previous game. Annoying rock music has given way to Mideastern-flavoured music, like that heard in Sands of Time. Voice acting was competently done, and I continued to enjoy the quiet asides the Prince has with himself as he travels through the game. The acting is probably at its best when the Light Prince and Dark Prince are arguing, resulting in a sometimes-hilarious schizoid diatribe.
I'll be upfront: I found the decisions made for Warrior Within to be almost Poochie-level bad. The 'gritty' Prince with the goatee and callous demeanor may have made him more hard-core, but totally turned me off to him as a character. One of the most satisfying aspects of Sands of Time was the way players could empathize with the regular old middle eastern ninja who had gotten himself stuck in a bad situation. The return of the Light Prince in Two Thrones was a happy decision, and the Sand Wraith's level of participation in the story was exactly what I was looking for. The wrestling with the self that the Prince goes through was an interesting story. Interesting enough, in fact, to push me through combat that I've been playing for almost two years now, and puzzle elements that I've long since become competent in. Two Thrones is a familiar game with some new paint, and in this case I'm okay with that. Fans of the series will be pleased with the way the story ends, and newcomers to the gameplay will find the puzzling and fighting just as enjoyable in this title as in previous iterations of the game. Prince of Persia: Two Thrones is a strong finish for an excellent series built on entertaining gameplay and powerful storytelling.
The absolute last thing we need in a videogame is to see goatse sporting an evil prince...
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Remember when this series was a great puzzle-platformer, with occasional combat? Now it's God of War???
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The original will always be the best ! A pox on all your software houses!
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"Two years ago the pixelated graphics and long-ago memories of the Prince of Persia gave way to the slick and entertaining Sands of Time."
No, back in 1999 the pixelated graphics and long-ago memories of the Prince of Persia gave way to the absolutely dreadful Prince of Persia 3-D. A game so bad I wouldn't play Sands of Time until it was two old because I refused to believe that anything Prince of Persia related could be good after the 3D piece of crap that was Prince of Persia 3D.
I await the new POP game every Christmas since the sands of time. Ubisoft Montreal is really churning out some quality titles. Go Canada!
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If I recall correctly, the original Prince of Persia looked quite smoothly animated and drawn.
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The original PoP was one of my favorites games for my SNES. I really have to give these new PoP titles a try...
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I played "Sands of Time" and thoroughly enjoyed it. I've not bought nor played "Warrior Within". Since the reviewer didn't seem to like Warrior Within, should I even bother with it, or go straight to "The Two Thrones" ?
I stopped playing the latest PoP's when I realized that I was killing the monsters using the same goddamn animation over and over and over again. And it's not like the game would send 2 or 3 identical beasties at you, you'd get TWENTY of 'em, and all would have to die using the "I'll jump over you and stab you at the exact same place". And I wouldn't do it 'cause it was the easiest way to kill'em, it would be the ONLY way to kill'em. Bad design, IMHO...
I loved Sand of Times and the original 2D scroller games. However, the Warrior Within demo did not impress me. I do need a sample of The Two Thrones to see if I will like it or not.
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I played PoP every day at lunchtime, until I could finish the whole game without dying and within the 50 minutes of the lunch hour. Perhaps I should have spent more time outside!
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From what I've read about this one, it's supposed to be some kind of mixture between two and one. Two being the "God of War of the series" and one being a La Parkour action title. I loved the first one. It blew me away with the fluidity of everything. The second one I kind of messed with, but didn't feel particularly like it belonged. The free form combat system sounded great, but really you just used a few core moves for the most part, and the rest were fairly useless. I'm a bit hesitant about picking up this one. I probably will, but that's because I'm hoping it'll be enough like the first one to keep me hooked. My ideal PoP game would be one like the first one, but with several ways to solve a certain section.
you know, there was an interview with jordan (creator who licenses via ubi) through sony - and then it mysteriously went offline - it discussed this entire new game and his plans (etc)...strange (url was: http://sony.gamingtarget.com/news/stories/81206.ht ml)...but as for jordan, who released the original nearly 14 years ago, he really was not as heavily involved as indicated in this interview with yannis mallat (producer), "CGN: Did Jordan Mechner provide input on The Prince?
Yannis: One of Jordan's main objectives during this project has been to unite the story and game-play aspects of the game. As the Prince is the main character, it was of course especially important to get his feedback on our approach. We agreed on the key attributes of the character and the artistic direction.
We felt it was essential for Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time to capture the exhilaration of movement that was such a key element of the first game's appeal. The animated character needed to feel acrobatic and graceful, as opposed to mechanical, and the controls had to be simple and intuitively satisfying. Jordan's input was of great value for this process." from http://www.cgno.com/features/29.html (and part 2, which is where this was pulled from)
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Does anyone else think that Prince of Persia is just an update of Lode Runner?
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I've had to submit 6 support tickets about the PC version due to irritating bugs.
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Having just spent the weekend before my finals on this game, my only issue with this review is that I think it gave it too low of a score. =) I went back and played Warrior Within to get back up to snuff, suffering through the overly looped music to do so, then dove into Two Thrones.
The good:
The music is back to the style of Sands of Time.
They brought back the Sands of Time voice actor.
Some additional platformer elements.
The dark prince is more enjoyable than the sand wraith was to play. The dark prince plays like a strange mixture of "Bionic Commando" and Kratos from God of War. Since picking up sand regenerates him to full, he gets to deal with swarms of enemies, and is fairly liberating to play.
The quick kill system helps remove a lot of the tedium of the encounters. Since you can avoid a lot of the "tons of enemies" fights by stealthily killing the guards before they can sound the alarm. I found myself trying to be sneaky, which was a novel experience for me in a PoP title.
I think they did a fairly good job of reconciling the two seemingly different characters of the prince from Sands of Time and the more callous, hardened version of him that came along later in Warrior Within.
The bad:
The last chariot race was annoying, well, until I went back to the part before hand and made sure to do it with extra sand.
It was too short. The one thing I did like about Warrior Within was that its environments were mostly bidirectional; you wound up going forward and back through the same general area in two different times. In Two Thrones they returned to the Sands of Time linear story line. I think they lost a bit of the free-form feeling that you had in Warrior Within.
There doesn't appear to be an alternate ending ala the last two titles.
Conclusion:
All in all I enjoyed the title. Now I need to go cram for finals.
Sanity is a sandbox. I prefer the swings.
Does it have Farah the hot girl from 'Sands of Time'?
when gamers would "stare" at her up close in her little skimpy red skirt and top for a prolonged period of time, her programming would take notice and she would spout out some witty remark, likely shocking lonely nerds into a defensive(alt+F4) reaction, thinking they were busted, painfully their zipper catches on.............
well you get the point.
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The graphics will never top the original Prince of Persia on my 486!!!11one
I played the original PoP (back in, what, the early 90s?) on my old AMD 486 dx40 (shit, was that my processor?). Anyhow, it was a 2d, arcade-style jump and hook game that would suck you in so hard you could never escape. Obstacle after obstacle, challenge after challenge I over-came with exact jump and hook sequences. Me and a friend teamed up trying to conquer it. Yes, fun, but dammit to hell, frustrating as all get out. We finally got to some place that was undoable and were pro-gamers (I only admit that here). Just like another great, yet damnable game -- Ghouls 'N Ghosts -- this game was fun, but so unbeatable that it left me scarred for life. (In Ghouls 'N Ghosts, once you finished the entire game, it made you start over from scratch, but was now harder, HARDER!!!).
/breaks down
These games represent works created by great game makers who are sadistic bastards. Like dating a beautiful, yet screwed up, girl. You remember them fondly but painfully.
PoP post original? I dunno. Never checked it out, and I think I just needed to vent all of this, now, for the first time ever.
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I've steered clear of these new PoP games because of Ubisoft's spotty track record and mixed reviews. I'm not necessarily looking for the extreme action of NGB just respectable difficulty, perfect control and strong fundamental gameplay.
Can anyone who has put a lot of time in with both tell me how they truly compare to one another?
I'd have to disagree. Playing as Dark Prince was really challenging, frustrating at times, but in a good way. It really lent a sense of urgency to a game that generally gives you a lot of time to figure things out and I found the change of pace quite nice. "Something to kill! I need something to kill!" It's not like any of his sections are impossible, just difficult. Also, since every pot you smashed or every enemy you killed would return you to full health, it wasn't all that bad.
I also thought that they hit a good balance in where they would knock you back to when you died. The only thing that drove me completely up the wall was the second chariot race which would start you over from the beginning each time, but it's still doable. I don't think it knocked me back further than a minute or two of play time any of the times I died.
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I played all 3 Ubisofts PoP games. To be quite frank I liked Warrior Within, it drastically changed the atmosphere and allowed you to perform better movements and pick up weapons on-the-fly, it gave you (and the game) an edge that you didn't have before.
:D. I liked using him more than the other one. The combination between dark and light prince gives you more variety when solving these puzzles, since now you can jumprope(whip) from one platform to the other.
I guess to start off with the first one, I found Sands of Time the coolest at the beginning, since you could actually fight other soldiers instead of transformed creatures. The puzzles were awesome and it really kept me going through the end, - that one almost-porn scene that was really.. really, out of the whole fucking touch.
As I stated previously, Warrior Within allowed you to perform more actions, thus solve puzzles of greater variety and let you pick up weapons that the enemy dropped. I found this very attractive (since, let's face it, who wants to use 1 weapon the whole game?) Some people were dissatisfied by the fact that instead of sand dunes and persian castles you got to go to an island and it made the whole game generic, but I have to say, I found the game really exhilirating; almost as if I was playing an upper-class version of Castlevania (With all the towers and all). However, I found the game too short. I turned into the "Sand Wraith" way too quickly.
Two Thrones which I finished a week ago rocked, but honestly, something was odd. For one, they drastically cutt down on the number of weapons you could pick up. In total I only saw 5-6 different weapons. The bosses were heavily unbalanced, since the last boss was.. for me anyway.. incredibly easy. The ending was kind of funky actually. As some other people here seem to agree, the Dark Prince does rule
It's really hard to judge a game like this because on one hand, the 3 of them are connected by a very heavy storyline which blows me away, but on the other, the transition between warrior within and two thrones got skewed, mainly because of the weapons.
When your zipper's stuck and you gotta go, that's stragety.
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
I remember playing the original Prince of Persia on a 386 back in the 90's.
Per Aspera Ad Astra.
I had at least been giving it a chance up 'till you said something. Thanks for the heads up.
If there's a crack that comes out for the game, I'll consider buying it. I just microwaved my Splinter Cell 3 DVD, since there's no crack available for it. What I probably should've done was take it down to the local school and "donate" it to the local 13 yro, who'd probably make 20 copies and hand them out to all his friends, thereby fucking Ubisoft out of the $50 I paid for it.
C'est la vie.
I wonder if it still works?
This was actually my only complaint about Sands of Time...no variety in the combat system, just the same 3-hit combo used over and over and over and over. Apparently the complaint was common, because Warrior Within introduced a free-form combat system with dozens of attack combinations: wielding two weapons, stealing enemy weapons, throwing those weapons, grabbing your enemies and then throwing them or breaking their necks or cutting them apart or decapitating them. I replayed Warrior Within several times just for the sheer joy of the combat system.
As with the other PoP titles, this is a PC game that was ported in development for other platforms. The Xbox, of course, being really easy to port as it's pretty much a PC.
On another note: YEAAAAH...I just bought an Xbox! And sold it at a 200% profit on eBay!
... What I wanna know is, where's my updated version of Karateka?
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If you want to use run on sentences like that, you should be *forced* to pay a fee. Be happy we can all evolve/abuse the english language for free. Clearly you're not paying for the fee, so what on earth are you complaining about?
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A lot of serious PC gamers won't know about the new Prince of Persia games. The reason being, mainly, is that these aren't PC games, although they have been converted (badly) to run on DirectX.
Now, there are several titles, although they are the same engine, so not really new games. I won't get into the specifics, because really, there are none.
Why is it not a good game? PoP ignores most of the conventions for a good PC game.
- There's no control over viewing angles. This is a console thing, as consoles until the 360 haven't had enough power to allow freedom of view.
- There's no mouselook - see above.
- The control scheme is awful - it was designed for a console, so get used to mashing buttons.
- Gaming conventions are not followed - On some games this implies originality, but PoP is a conventional hack and slash game - although, if you are skilled at such games on PC, your skill will not carry across because, heck, the devs did a bad job and ignored convention.
Save your time, save your money, don't touch it.
Wait for them to get the message, we don't want PS/2 overflow.
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If you guys don't feel like beating Warrior Within, you can simply watch someone else beat it at the above link.
Better then doing it yourself and die falling off a rotating trap a few hundred times
Or you can be lazy and skip to the ending battle.
No, the logical thing to do to prevent the fighting being repetitive is to make it more interesting - the WW combat system is much, much more varied than SoT.
Reducing the number of enemies wouldn't make the combat less repetitive - it would have just been repetitive less often. Oh - and you're suddenly NOT PLAYING A PoP GAME ANYMORE. How could I have forgotten that?
You want to what now?
The latest Prince of Persia games are poison candy. Why? they look great, the gameplay is slick, but in truth it amounts to a pointless excercise in platform jumping 'puzzles' and only slightly varied combat sequences. Platform jumping!?! Please... as an adult, I need more from a game, and the idea of doing the same garbage over and over again till I finally reach a save point is a waste of my valuable time. Maybe now that Ubisoft has purged this from their systems and can move on to a sequel of the under marketed and highly acclaimed game: Beyond Good and Evil.