I'd like to introduce some facts to this thread, being that people are claiming that tissue "freezing" is impossible.
This page has a list of journal articles supporting the scientific basis for cryonics. Yes, it is hosted at Alcor, spare me the ad-hominems if you please, the work is valid.
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Hi, I've never said this here before, Decaff, and I mean no offense.
Your quote about human tissue survival is completely incorrect. If you had left of the paren-section " (at least not with current freezing techniques)." You'd have been ok. However the statement " Human tissues simply don't survive freezing (at least not with current freezing techniques)." is false.
And I am not just talking about sperm and egg storage in liquid nitrogen. The vitrification process tests using high-molar concentration glucos based solutions on large mammal brains has yielded terrific results. Sure, we don't have a return process, and there are still hurdles to overcome...
Here is a link. Sure you can claim bias since it is at Alcor, but if you look around there are better pubs.
I should really write this out as a form letter and paste it in pre-emptively to each NASA thread about budget, since it always turns into Bush-bashing.
The Bush administration has increased funding every year for the past several years. The President of the US does not control how NASA's budget works. Sure he has made a push toward manned space flight being revamped, but why would you complain about re-vamping an outmoded inefficient system?
It is the head of NASA who makes the budget the way it is. There is never enough money to do what you want to these days, no matter who is in charge of the country or what party they belong to. Michael Griffin has a hard job, and what he is saying is true, we need more science money. I am not disagreeing. But this notion that Bush has cut funding is folly, and shows up in every thread.
2.5mW? I thought the spec allowed for a lot more than that. People have units with reported 50' ranges on Bluetooth items. I would have to guess they are fabricating as well.
Your crappy little bluetooth transmitter is very low wattage, but your cellphone transmits at a much higher wattage because it has to talk to towers that are friggin kilometers away.
Since we are adjusting our specifics, by 'wattage' you mean watt. Or perhaps 2 watts for a GSM phone. But your bluetooth is on all the time. Working at broadcast strength. Clipped to your ear and your hip.
Secondly, if the majority of cell phone users are living in metropolitan areas, then they are at most several hundred feet from a receiver, which may kick out to a tower.
Cellphones transmit in the microwave band, which is known to definitely heat biological tissue.
2.4 Ghz is microwave, and in the range of microwave ovens - much closer than the two principle bands of cellular traffic. The higher the frequency, the higher the imparted energy to individual sub-cellular components.
It is known and not disputed that using a cellphone causes a minor amount of heating in your cells (e.g. in your brain while talking); what's in question is whether or not this has long-term harmful effects. The higher the wattage, the more the heating effect (and other effects on human tissues).
In a nutshell, if we're at 10% power but 8x longer, then the higher frequency through its persistence and higher energy would I suspect cause more damage.
"A long phone call?" - What about the people wearing Bluetooth headsets all day, imparting 2.4 Ghz of energy into their ear and hip? Your shoulders and pelvis make a lot of your red blood cells. Your next phone call could be from Lymphoma...
Ok, so. Some people don't have any understanding of the situation, that's great. "Read a book, you're making us look like jerks." I am going to type this very slowly for those of you who need the extra time to understand...
The FUNDING has not changed. In fact it has steadily increased over the course of Bush's administration. The BUDGET - as designed by NASA and NASA's administrators, has been changed. It has been repurposed AWAY from SCIENCE, to HUMAN spaceflight.
So smile. People are going to the moon and other planets to see for themselves. What, you want robots to have all the fun?
>So you're cool with Yahoo turning over people to the Chinese government. I see.
Obviously, never stated in what I said, nor true.
> I would have assumed that Yahoo would rather protect human rights and the privacy of their customers...
Then welcome to jail, you would have been caught as well.
Not getting caught is your responsibility, and the responsibility you have to the people you are trying to help/reach with your work. Don't rely on someone else to do it for you. We're not that far along yet.
Who assumes ethical behavior on the part of any company when their personal freedom and life are at stake? Would you? I do not. The cost is too great. And being in a country that locks up people for doing meditation on the lawn or speaking out on government programs should make you more cautious, not less. Do not get me wrong, I am very sad for those two people, I have doubts as to whether they will be seen again. But no one should ever assume anonymity or safety - it is something that you must initiate and make for yourself..
The distance to real democracy in China, indeed the world, is measured in ports.
It doesn't matter what these companies are doing. So long as ports are installed, and the internet is accessed, then the world will be made free. These companies bending to the local rulership only serves to keep the door open. If they say "no we will not comply", then the door to the rest of the network world will be closed.
Every fight for freedom has its martyrs. Try harder not to be caught.
There is too much useful technology there not to be profitable, in the right structure.
It may be time for these critters to have their own company, production and bottom line. Or be acquired by someone who does. Seriously. The works in the balance and joints of the Qrio alone...
At least claim expenses, and estimate damages, number of hours worked on the case, etc. Then there is slander/libel/defemation of character or whatever works given the situation. I'm not for people suing left and right, but I am all for people defending themselves against wrongful suits.
The person with nothing to lose is the one with the most to gain.
Wouldn't it be easier, safer, and more intelligent to just protect and encourage coral growth? Coral pretty much does everything we need, if we could just give it an environment to 'do its thing' none of this would be a problem. The entire strategem is rife with deadly pitfalls and screams of huge opportunity to burn energy that produces more CO and CO2. Think about it.
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I'd like to introduce some facts to this thread, being that people are claiming that tissue "freezing" is impossible.
This page has a list of journal articles supporting the scientific basis for cryonics. Yes, it is hosted at Alcor, spare me the ad-hominems if you please, the work is valid.
Selected Journal Articles Supporting the Scientific Basis of Cryonics
Science FAQ, including pre/post vitrification high magnification images of neural tissue.
Scientist's Open Letter on Cryonics - Letter of support from the science community.
Hope this helps clear things up for some.
kulakovich, transhumnanist nutjob.
Member Extropy Institute - extropy.org
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etc.
etc.
Hi, I've never said this here before, Decaff, and I mean no offense.
Your quote about human tissue survival is completely incorrect. If you had left of the paren-section " (at least not with current freezing techniques)." You'd have been ok. However the statement " Human tissues simply don't survive freezing (at least not with current freezing techniques)." is false.
And I am not just talking about sperm and egg storage in liquid nitrogen. The vitrification process tests using high-molar concentration glucos based solutions on large mammal brains has yielded terrific results. Sure, we don't have a return process, and there are still hurdles to overcome...
Here is a link. Sure you can claim bias since it is at Alcor, but if you look around there are better pubs.
Science FAQ.
kulakovich
Interesting. My situtation is identical, but we only signed up last year.
Agreed on all points, see you "forward".
Kulakovich
Dibs! Just wanted to be first to say it.
/runs off to get trademark.
kulakovich
I should really write this out as a form letter and paste it in pre-emptively to each NASA thread about budget, since it always turns into Bush-bashing.
The Bush administration has increased funding every year for the past several years. The President of the US does not control how NASA's budget works. Sure he has made a push toward manned space flight being revamped, but why would you complain about re-vamping an outmoded inefficient system?
It is the head of NASA who makes the budget the way it is. There is never enough money to do what you want to these days, no matter who is in charge of the country or what party they belong to. Michael Griffin has a hard job, and what he is saying is true, we need more science money. I am not disagreeing. But this notion that Bush has cut funding is folly, and shows up in every thread.
Guns and butter indeed.
kulakovich
2.5mW? I thought the spec allowed for a lot more than that. People have units with reported 50' ranges on Bluetooth items. I would have to guess they are fabricating as well.
kulakovich
back to the point:
Your crappy little bluetooth transmitter is very low wattage, but your cellphone transmits at a much higher wattage because it has to talk to towers that are friggin kilometers away.
Since we are adjusting our specifics, by 'wattage' you mean watt. Or perhaps 2 watts for a GSM phone. But your bluetooth is on all the time. Working at broadcast strength. Clipped to your ear and your hip.
Secondly, if the majority of cell phone users are living in metropolitan areas, then they are at most several hundred feet from a receiver, which may kick out to a tower.
Cellphones transmit in the microwave band, which is known to definitely heat biological tissue.
2.4 Ghz is microwave, and in the range of microwave ovens - much closer than the two principle bands of cellular traffic. The higher the frequency, the higher the imparted energy to individual sub-cellular components.
It is known and not disputed that using a cellphone causes a minor amount of heating in your cells (e.g. in your brain while talking); what's in question is whether or not this has long-term harmful effects. The higher the wattage, the more the heating effect (and other effects on human tissues).
In a nutshell, if we're at 10% power but 8x longer, then the higher frequency through its persistence and higher energy would I suspect cause more damage.
kulakovich
"A long phone call?" - What about the people wearing Bluetooth headsets all day, imparting 2.4 Ghz of energy into their ear and hip? Your shoulders and pelvis make a lot of your red blood cells. Your next phone call could be from Lymphoma...
kulakovich
Ok, so. Some people don't have any understanding of the situation, that's great. "Read a book, you're making us look like jerks." I am going to type this very slowly for those of you who need the extra time to understand...
The FUNDING has not changed. In fact it has steadily increased over the course of Bush's administration. The BUDGET - as designed by NASA and NASA's administrators, has been changed. It has been repurposed AWAY from SCIENCE, to HUMAN spaceflight.
So smile. People are going to the moon and other planets to see for themselves. What, you want robots to have all the fun?
kulakovich
Aren't the Vorlons supposed to be busy about now? Or am I late?
kulakovich
>So you're cool with Yahoo turning over people to the Chinese government. I see.
Obviously, never stated in what I said, nor true.
> I would have assumed that Yahoo would rather protect human rights and the privacy of their customers...
Then welcome to jail, you would have been caught as well.
Not getting caught is your responsibility, and the responsibility you have to the people you are trying to help/reach with your work. Don't rely on someone else to do it for you. We're not that far along yet.
kulakovich
Who assumes ethical behavior on the part of any company when their personal freedom and life are at stake? Would you? I do not. The cost is too great. And being in a country that locks up people for doing meditation on the lawn or speaking out on government programs should make you more cautious, not less. Do not get me wrong, I am very sad for those two people, I have doubts as to whether they will be seen again. But no one should ever assume anonymity or safety - it is something that you must initiate and make for yourself..
kulakovich
Not in miles. Not in years.
The distance to real democracy in China, indeed the world, is measured in ports.
It doesn't matter what these companies are doing. So long as ports are installed, and the internet is accessed, then the world will be made free. These companies bending to the local rulership only serves to keep the door open. If they say "no we will not comply", then the door to the rest of the network world will be closed.
Every fight for freedom has its martyrs. Try harder not to be caught.
Kulakovich
Knowwot? Yer Hitler!
Quack.
Quack quack.
Quaaaaaaack.
kulakovich
for non-us users - Aflac is an insurance company represented by a Duck with bad luck:Aflac. And has had many clever television commercials.
Obviously they need to hook up with the College Bookstore Monopoly and just re-sell the same game media over and over at the same price.
It's not the games that suck as much as the business plans.
kulakovich
I find it much more likely that this is the HangSeng AI counterattacking after yesterday's admissions in CNN Money (see previous
kulakovich
There is too much useful technology there not to be profitable, in the right structure.
It may be time for these critters to have their own company, production and bottom line. Or be acquired by someone who does. Seriously. The works in the balance and joints of the Qrio alone...
kulakovich
There is something to be said about separation of Church and State.
And something Noodley is going to say it...
kulakovich
If by Tribbles you mean Martian Flat Cats,
and by David Gerrold you mean Robert Heinlein...
You decide...
kulakovich
If you counterclaim, they cannot drop the suit.
At least claim expenses, and estimate damages, number of hours worked on the case, etc. Then there is slander/libel/defemation of character or whatever works given the situation. I'm not for people suing left and right, but I am all for people defending themselves against wrongful suits.
The person with nothing to lose is the one with the most to gain.
kulakovich
"dayum. Is there anything you can't do if you have that at your disposal?"
Find Sarah Connor?
kulakovich
Hello? Is this thing on?
If you are wearing an ungrounded foil cap, then, well, you get what you deserve.
I've said too much.
Wouldn't it be easier, safer, and more intelligent to just protect and encourage coral growth? Coral pretty much does everything we need, if we could just give it an environment to 'do its thing' none of this would be a problem. The entire strategem is rife with deadly pitfalls and screams of huge opportunity to burn energy that produces more CO and CO2. Think about it.
kulakovich