I don't get it. They're saying it's illegal to download copyright material without the copyright owner's permission, but they're saying that law abiding citizens should pay a levvy on blank media, to compensate the copyright holders for infringement.
Don't pirate anything, AND pay for not pirating anything.
You take issue with "But he really wants to see the film. So he should download it," and I can understand that.
To me the guy tried to do the right thing, and got no joy because of the company's stupid policy.
Him downloading the movie, which he can't now get through legitimate channels, to me is a no-lose situation. The company has already lost through it's actions. His downloading costs them nothing, no lost sale, no lost data, no lost property.
If you choose to have such an inflexible way of looking at things, or believe that copyright law, or maybe any law, is sacrosanct, regardless of mitigating factors, then, well, good luck to you. Personally, I'm for flexibility with a conscience, not dogma, which I feel your position is.
For instance, it didn't work, he didn't pay for it, but a friend hears of his predicament and offers to let him watch it on his working DVD player, as he and a few friends were getting it out.
Hey, guess what, same situation, you took issue with. Totally within the letter of the law.
Hmmm, I think we just have different ideas of what the words mean.
To me, greed is wanting more than is reasonable; more than your fair share. I think it's the opposite to self interest in anything other than a uniupolar world.
As for avarice, it's just a specific term for greed of wealth.
Hey, lets argue about the meaning of words, here on/.
I would like to add to that - Complain to your Trading Standards body!
These things are being sold in ways that disguise their true nature. Sold as compact discs, when they're not. Sold amongst standards compliant discs when they themselves are not standards compliant.
Report the stores that are doing this, or the issue as a whole to your trading standards body, ask them to make the stores sell them in a seperate section where they will create no confusion and consumers will not be mislead.
I know I have (just 30 minutes ago.)
If you're in the UK, go to, http://www.consumercomplaints.org.uk/index.asp
" But you've paid for a limited-time rental of the movie, not "backup rights" to the movie. If you download the movie, you have the ability to keep a copy of the movie indefinitely, which is not what you paid for at Blockbuster."
He paid for something that works. BB sold him something that doesn't. Really he should take it back and get his money back, as the disc is faulty (doesn't play the non-standard disc in his standards-compliant player.)
But he really wants to see the film. So he should download it.
They have lost a sale not through piracy, but by comy-protection.
"quality of the broadcasts are close to that of FM radio"
"what's the point ? maybe I missed something ?"
Well, here in the UK, there's a point. Already the BBC has squeezed so much into it's limited DAB multiplex, that it can only pump out BBC Radio 7 at 80kbps MONO. It's World Service, which sometimes broadcasts music, has an output of 64Kbps MONO, as does it's Asian Network.
If it shifts these services to (ugh) DRM, then the they can be output in stereo, probably at better rates. The remaining services can go up in quality (BBC 6 Music, currently at 128Kbps on DAB, could go up to 160, etc.)
More bandwidth, at better quality. I would guess that that's the point.
"I can assure you that SCO fully believes that their case has merit and that they are going to win. "
If that's truly the case, why are they going about it in such a wildly accusatory, melodramatic, light-on-the-facts, way? Why aren't they behaving more reasonably, calmly and self-assuredly?
"a few times unions here have called a strike even after managements conceded to every one of their demands. The reason? Membership was dropping, and a bunch of angry workers picketing in front of a blocked factory gate would look really good on the evening news, they figured."
If you have decent union laws, this couldn't happen. In the UK, it's illegal for unions to strike without holding a ballot of members; in which case the members' interests are the deciding factors in what the union does.
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Look, people are just going to have to face it, fossil fuel power is unacceptable because of the pollution, as is nuclear power. Wind power is unnaceptable because of the scenic impact. There's only one solution:
Masturbation Power.
There's already plenty going on. And it's the perfect excuse for the wife/girlfriend: "Honey, it's my wanking that gives you enough power to switch on the kettle at the end of Coronation Street. You should be grateful."
"EU company has idea, and creates software. US company takes idea and patents it. EU company tries to sell software in US. US company sues the snot out of EU company."
US company tries to sell software in EU, but is met with greater competition, which has lead to greater innovation, and better software, and is roundly beaten.
US consumers see this discrepancy and complain.
The lie that software patents further technological advancement is exposed.
Things change.
" Agreed. I'm glad it's free to run giant fiber optic cables across the ocean. Can't see any costs there. Or fiber into your house. Digging up roads to run lines into peoples houses costs pennies."
If not RTFA, at least RTFQ(uestion):
"What I want is a global extremely-high-speed ad-hoc wireless data & voice network..."
Radio transmitters may not be cheap, but that's now, and doesn't mean that something can't be developed in the future to do away with ISPs and the like.
As for those that seem to think that wanting free=bad (boggle) there are quite a few means of communication that don't require paying a third party for use of the bandwidth/facilities.
In the question he's talking about the future, please take off your vision-stilting pessimism glasses, all those people who seem to be snorting at this guy's wish for a non-fee for bandwidth model of data communication (you know who you are.)
There are obviously big problems regarding the crossing of oceans etc. but that's where imagination and vision come in, surely!?? (No magic bees carrying data packets to-and-fro across the pacific, is not what I mean by imagination.)
" Some would call this anarchy, in most systems (both technical and personal) you need some form of leadership, telcoâ(TM)s and ISPâ(TM)s provide this necessary service, like it or not."
What about CB radio, SW Radio...?
Anarchy doesn't equate with chaos.
"Such taxes will be used to pay for health care (here in the UK we have a nationalised health service, paid for by taxes), transport infrastructure (roads, rail, air etc.), education (again, here in the UK, schooling is paid for by taxes, and university education is mostly paid for by taxes), police, ambulance, fire services etc. etc."
VAT doesn't pay for any of this, though. A good 45% of VAT is used up as subsidies for farmers, who make up around 5% of the EU workforce.
Your extra expensive digital downloads and services are largely going to help farmers keep fields empty, and grain mountains and wine lakes large.
The speeding/copyright infringement argument is a little off, I feel.
Speeding is a public safety issue (people are more likely to die if you break speed limits) people generally do not have their life or limbs put at risk through copyright infringement.
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I wander if it reely dos have an affect on your speeling?
Don't pirate anything, AND pay for not pirating anything.
Greedy and ridiculous.
Find them, and then report them.
Already addressed by these people.
If he hadn't gone, and had downloaded a copy instead, the resulting monetary gain would be the same.
And what's all this "the guy managed to watch the movie in a manner that has been deemed appropriate by companies in question."???
Jeesus. Why don't you just suck their dicks and be done with it?
To me the guy tried to do the right thing, and got no joy because of the company's stupid policy.
Him downloading the movie, which he can't now get through legitimate channels, to me is a no-lose situation. The company has already lost through it's actions. His downloading costs them nothing, no lost sale, no lost data, no lost property.
If you choose to have such an inflexible way of looking at things, or believe that copyright law, or maybe any law, is sacrosanct, regardless of mitigating factors, then, well, good luck to you. Personally, I'm for flexibility with a conscience, not dogma, which I feel your position is.
For instance, it didn't work, he didn't pay for it, but a friend hears of his predicament and offers to let him watch it on his working DVD player, as he and a few friends were getting it out.
Hey, guess what, same situation, you took issue with. Totally within the letter of the law.
Please use your "Periods" with care.
To me, greed is wanting more than is reasonable; more than your fair share.
I think it's the opposite to self interest in anything other than a uniupolar world.
As for avarice, it's just a specific term for greed of wealth.
Hey, lets argue about the meaning of words, here on /.
Maybe not. :)
Take care.
One thing I was curious about was:
"Consumer electronics companies such as Sony... have stepped into the mix too, installing DRM systems into new hi-fi systems..."
Anyone know what this referrs to, which devices, specs, etc? I know about their stupid Magic gate crap, is this the same?
The whole point of "greed" is that it is not moderate. It is excessive.
Otherwise it's like saying "Weapons of Mass Destruction are OK, if they're just little ones."
I would like to add to that - Complain to your Trading Standards body!
These things are being sold in ways that disguise their true nature. Sold as compact discs, when they're not. Sold amongst standards compliant discs when they themselves are not standards compliant.
Report the stores that are doing this, or the issue as a whole to your trading standards body, ask them to make the stores sell them in a seperate section where they will create no confusion and consumers will not be mislead.
I know I have (just 30 minutes ago.)
If you're in the UK, go to, http://www.consumercomplaints.org.uk/index.asp
He paid for something that works. BB sold him something that doesn't. Really he should take it back and get his money back, as the disc is faulty (doesn't play the non-standard disc in his standards-compliant player.)
But he really wants to see the film. So he should download it.
They have lost a sale not through piracy, but by comy-protection.
Ohhh the irony!
"what's the point ? maybe I missed something ?"
Well, here in the UK, there's a point. Already the BBC has squeezed so much into it's limited DAB multiplex, that it can only pump out BBC Radio 7 at 80kbps MONO. It's World Service, which sometimes broadcasts music, has an output of 64Kbps MONO, as does it's Asian Network.
If it shifts these services to (ugh) DRM, then the they can be output in stereo, probably at better rates. The remaining services can go up in quality (BBC 6 Music, currently at 128Kbps on DAB, could go up to 160, etc.)
More bandwidth, at better quality. I would guess that that's the point.
If that's truly the case, why are they going about it in such a wildly accusatory, melodramatic, light-on-the-facts, way? Why aren't they behaving more reasonably, calmly and self-assuredly?
I gotta lay off the pr0n..."
Actually I read it as 'Deep Torte.'
(I gotta lay off the pastries...)
Y'know... some of the comments... yeah, I can believe that.
If you have decent union laws, this couldn't happen. In the UK, it's illegal for unions to strike without holding a ballot of members; in which case the members' interests are the deciding factors in what the union does.
They do for me, with 1.3.1.
Masturbation Power.
There's already plenty going on. And it's the perfect excuse for the wife/girlfriend: "Honey, it's my wanking that gives you enough power to switch on the kettle at the end of Coronation Street. You should be grateful."
US company tries to sell software in EU, but is met with greater competition, which has lead to greater innovation, and better software, and is roundly beaten.
US consumers see this discrepancy and complain.
The lie that software patents further technological advancement is exposed.
Things change.
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Are licenses a good alternative to a provider?
If not RTFA, at least RTFQ(uestion):
"What I want is a global extremely-high-speed ad-hoc wireless data & voice network..."
Radio transmitters may not be cheap, but that's now, and doesn't mean that something can't be developed in the future to do away with ISPs and the like.
As for those that seem to think that wanting free=bad (boggle) there are quite a few means of communication that don't require paying a third party for use of the bandwidth/facilities.
In the question he's talking about the future, please take off your vision-stilting pessimism glasses, all those people who seem to be snorting at this guy's wish for a non-fee for bandwidth model of data communication (you know who you are.)
There are obviously big problems regarding the crossing of oceans etc. but that's where imagination and vision come in, surely!?? (No magic bees carrying data packets to-and-fro across the pacific, is not what I mean by imagination.)
What about CB radio, SW Radio...?
Anarchy doesn't equate with chaos.
VAT doesn't pay for any of this, though. A good 45% of VAT is used up as subsidies for farmers, who make up around 5% of the EU workforce.
Your extra expensive digital downloads and services are largely going to help farmers keep fields empty, and grain mountains and wine lakes large.
Here's an easy reminder:
Swiss - Army Knives.
Swedes - Donkey porn.
Speeding is a public safety issue (people are more likely to die if you break speed limits) people generally do not have their life or limbs put at risk through copyright infringement.
Though, their life savings do seem to be at risk!