"I refuse to bow to the conspiracy. When I came across a mint condition IBM ThinkPad 755C in a local garage sale, I realized that I had an opportunity to make a point. Hardware is only as old as the software that it runs." What a coincidence, I just bought a 755CD from a garage sale for $20! I put Debian on it, and I generally use ratpoision and screen (as referenced by this article at freshmeat) for my "desktop"...
I'm thinking of installing this as a server / firewall / IPMasq router. Anyone know where I can get a "HOWTO" or something similar like the IPMasq howto for Linux?
Gives you a choice? OK, install a base system. I'd like to see how long it takes you to install something like Nautilus with all those dependencies. And don't install any extra package!!! With Debian, it's "apt-get install nautilus" and voila.
Slackware eh? I tried installing that on my 800 meg hard drive. I chose some predetermined package groups, tried to get rid of some stuff.. no dependency checking!!! That's about the stupidest distro ever. Debian, you just install, get what software you want (apt-get install kde evolution galeon... whatever). No junk you don't want like RedHat too.
Gimme a break. How about the daunting Red Hat dsektop install process on a 800 meg hard drive!!! Good luck!!! (Even base size of Red Hat is 430 megs, vs Debian base about 150 or so!!!)
You can set up Apache to run CGI's as your own user, via sudo, or something of the like. Sorry I don't have any links or info, googling should probably provide something.
I'm working on a project to provide a "virtual shell" (with other goodies like remote file editing, command line history, etc.) via HTTP (but not HTTPS, at least yet, because my client program uses it's own implementation), and there are several similar projects on freshmeat like "wsh" and "websh" (mine will be called, uhh, wwwsh.) Some of the other projects may support SSL.
But I believe it should be possible just to allow Wine to access only some files, so if a worm like KLEZ is run, it can only access your files under $HOME/somedir, like changing
Of course it could still mess up some of your Windows-/Wine-related stuff. But I don't see how it could obtain addresses to spread itself to, unless of course you have Windows Address Book, Outlook, or something installed with Wine.
The base package list for Red Hat is actually pretty lean.
That may be true, but to get more you have to rpm -i stuff, oh no, it needs these dependencies, install that, bla bla. To get a good desktop (Gnome or KDE) at install time you need to install tons of junk. I tried installing RedHat on a 800 meg hard drive. Couldn't get a decent desktop. It was a lot of hassle selecting the packages too, selecting general things, then unchecking junk I don't want, etc. Much easier in Debian, just apt-get what you want.
Resource requirements have very little to do with your distribution. It's the software that you're going to be running that is the issue.
Yeah, but hard drive space is a big issue. And it's true, you can disable init scripts you don't want starting up (I do that a little with Debian,) but why have em there in the first place? What desktop user needs a NFS server, gimme a break? It just took FOREVER for RedHat to start up on an old computer I installed it on once. (Side note, who's idea was it to run depmod -a on every start up anyway?) Anyway I couldn't reccommend RedHat to a friend for his old computer. Instead I had to help him install Debian.
I personally like the install. Unlike some distros (cough..Red Hat...cough) it totally lets me in control. I decide exactly how I partition my drive, which partitions I format, and which I mount and how. And then, it install ONLY what I tell it to install, no megs and megs of junk you never use (again, Red Hat is especially nasty in this area.) And it's great for older computers, unlike that other distro!!!
However, yes, it could use some auto-configuration, particularly hardware configuration. It's kind of a pain to have to know exactly what your hardware is, what modules you need to load, what software, you have to apt-get, conf files to edit, etc. Some other distros like Red Hat nicely auto-detects modems and other tough stuff, loads the module or whatever, and you can easily set it up and stuff. It would be nice if Debian had that (I think you can apt-get install kudzu, I've never tried it...)
Go pick on someone your own size. Gaim, Peng, Jabber, etc., seems like AOL just likes to harass non-profit, open-source projects. Come on, these people are working (mostly for free) on the software, giving out the software for free, and releasing the source code too. AOL should be ashamed of itself for for harassing people who are just trying to help their fellow man.
Well actually, you can install SuSE for free (at least 7.3,) but you have to set up a NAT so you can download via a static IP address because their install program doesn't support DHCP (or modems). However let me say SuSE 7.3 was a crashing piece of junk with no EXT3 fs support and their YaST program isn't free as in speech.
"In the end, leaving out the 90% of features that you deem "bloat" will lose far more than the 10% of customers that you were counting on."
Use modules / plug-ins. That is what the Dillo project intends to do (well, at least partly.) Then you can load only what features you want, without all the overhead of unused / unwanted ones.
Anyone know if it's faster that Galeon / Skipstone ? I've been looking for a good browser for my old laptop, Dillo is the only thing fast enough, but it doesn't support JavaScript, CSS, SSL, etc.
"One thing that I found kind of a pain was that when you first start up Phoenix, it doesn't go straight to your home page. You go to a user menu where you select a username to launch the browser."
That is dumb. Since all modern OS's (even Windows) are now multiuser, each computer user should have their own user-name anyway.
My main point is that RedHat goes a little too far in installing everything but the kitchen sink. Like I said before, I installed Debian with KDE2 and GNOME in 800 megabytes. RedHat wanted to use twice that space. That can't be all hardware configuration tools and other user-friendly stuff. RedHat installs everything but the kitchen sink.
Not too mention it leaves tons of ports open (last time I sued it -- around 7.1) -- does the average internet user need ANY server services? Especially not inetd (telnet, ftp, etc.) and NFS. Although I admit Debian installs inetd and starts it up. I don't understand why any distro can't come with no services open. And most distros seem to think everything under the sun has to be loaded at boot time (do we REALLY need to recompile the modules.dep file everytime we boot up?)
I tried installing the 'null' beta on an extra 800 meg hard drive. I couldn't really install anything except for the base and a few text tools (no X, gnome, etc). RedHat is not for people that don't have a few extra gigs.
Not only that, it REALLY slows down my 1.2 ghz Athlon box. Do we REALLY need to start up NFS daemons and every other daemon when we boot up (not to mention the security issues.) Seems like the "user-friendly" distros just get more bloated. I installed Debian sid on the 800 meg HD and had space for Gnome 2, KDE, Apache, Galeon2, etc.
I don't under stand why they aren't releasing the source. From the link:
"We aren't trying to get anything out of giving this application away other than try to get more people using Ogg Vorbis."
Also from their site:
"We at TheKompany.com are proud to fully support and participate in the open source movement. We hope you will join us in actively helping to make open source work and make Linux continue on its rise to being the premiere operating system for any computer and any user."
Then why not release the source so the community can and improve use this? If you don't like freedom go back to MP3 and their patents, Krummy Kompany.
Seems like a waste of electricity to have it plugged in all the time (you do have to plug in it right?) Why not just have your picture printed and put it in a real frame? I know, it costs money, and it's only one picture -- but you can have as many of them as you want. If it had buttons where you could change the picture that would be cool.
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"I refuse to bow to the conspiracy. When I came across a mint condition IBM ThinkPad 755C in a local garage sale, I realized that I had an opportunity to make a point. Hardware is only as old as the software that it runs."
What a coincidence, I just bought a 755CD from a garage sale for $20! I put Debian on it, and I generally use ratpoision and screen (as referenced by this article at freshmeat) for my "desktop"...
you should, 'cause in the next version of RH I predict bash will depend on kmail and nautilus
I don't get it. How can you find no one?
I'm thinking of installing this as a server / firewall / IPMasq router. Anyone know where I can get a "HOWTO" or something similar like the IPMasq howto for Linux?
1) Buy Macintosh hardware. 2) Install YDL, Gentoo, Debian, or other Linux on it.
Gives you a choice? OK, install a base system. I'd like to see how long it takes you to install something like Nautilus with all those dependencies. And don't install any extra package!!! With Debian, it's "apt-get install nautilus" and voila.
Seems kind of redundant, having to memorize all those dependencies. Quick, off the top of your head, what are scrollkeeper's dependencies!
Slackware eh? I tried installing that on my 800 meg hard drive. I chose some predetermined package groups, tried to get rid of some stuff .. no dependency checking!!! That's about the stupidest distro ever. Debian, you just install, get what software you want (apt-get install kde evolution galeon ... whatever). No junk you don't want like RedHat too.
Gimme a break. How about the daunting Red Hat dsektop install process on a 800 meg hard drive!!! Good luck!!! (Even base size of Red Hat is 430 megs, vs Debian base about 150 or so!!!)
You can set up Apache to run CGI's as your own user, via sudo, or something of the like. Sorry I don't have any links or info, googling should probably provide something.
I'm working on a project to provide a "virtual shell" (with other goodies like remote file editing, command line history, etc.) via HTTP (but not HTTPS, at least yet, because my client program uses it's own implementation), and there are several similar projects on freshmeat like "wsh" and "websh" (mine will be called, uhh, wwwsh.) Some of the other projects may support SSL.
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Of course it could still mess up some of your Windows-/Wine-related stuff. But I don't see how it could obtain addresses to spread itself to, unless of course you have Windows Address Book, Outlook, or something installed with Wine.
The base package list for Red Hat is actually pretty lean.
That may be true, but to get more you have to rpm -i stuff, oh no, it needs these dependencies, install that, bla bla. To get a good desktop (Gnome or KDE) at install time you need to install tons of junk. I tried installing RedHat on a 800 meg hard drive. Couldn't get a decent desktop. It was a lot of hassle selecting the packages too, selecting general things, then unchecking junk I don't want, etc. Much easier in Debian, just apt-get what you want.
Resource requirements have very little to do with your distribution. It's the software that you're going to be running that is the issue. Yeah, but hard drive space is a big issue. And it's true, you can disable init scripts you don't want starting up (I do that a little with Debian,) but why have em there in the first place? What desktop user needs a NFS server, gimme a break? It just took FOREVER for RedHat to start up on an old computer I installed it on once. (Side note, who's idea was it to run depmod -a on every start up anyway?) Anyway I couldn't reccommend RedHat to a friend for his old computer. Instead I had to help him install Debian.
I personally like the install. Unlike some distros (cough..Red Hat...cough) it totally lets me in control. I decide exactly how I partition my drive, which partitions I format, and which I mount and how. And then, it install ONLY what I tell it to install, no megs and megs of junk you never use (again, Red Hat is especially nasty in this area.) And it's great for older computers, unlike that other distro!!!
However, yes, it could use some auto-configuration, particularly hardware configuration. It's kind of a pain to have to know exactly what your hardware is, what modules you need to load, what software, you have to apt-get, conf files to edit, etc. Some other distros like Red Hat nicely auto-detects modems and other tough stuff, loads the module or whatever, and you can easily set it up and stuff. It would be nice if Debian had that (I think you can apt-get install kudzu, I've never tried it...)
Go pick on someone your own size. Gaim, Peng, Jabber, etc., seems like AOL just likes to harass non-profit, open-source projects. Come on, these people are working (mostly for free) on the software, giving out the software for free, and releasing the source code too. AOL should be ashamed of itself for for harassing people who are just trying to help their fellow man.
That "Great Firewall Of China" does a lot of good!
Well actually, you can install SuSE for free (at least 7.3,) but you have to set up a NAT so you can download via a static IP address because their install program doesn't support DHCP (or modems). However let me say SuSE 7.3 was a crashing piece of junk with no EXT3 fs support and their YaST program isn't free as in speech.
"In the end, leaving out the 90% of features that you deem "bloat" will lose far more than the 10% of customers that you were counting on."
Use modules / plug-ins. That is what the Dillo project intends to do (well, at least partly.) Then you can load only what features you want, without all the overhead of unused / unwanted ones.
Anyone know if it's faster that Galeon / Skipstone ? I've been looking for a good browser for my old laptop, Dillo is the only thing fast enough, but it doesn't support JavaScript, CSS, SSL, etc.
"One thing that I found kind of a pain was that when you first start up Phoenix, it doesn't go straight to your home page. You go to a user menu where you select a username to launch the browser."
That is dumb. Since all modern OS's (even Windows) are now multiuser, each computer user should have their own user-name anyway.
My main point is that RedHat goes a little too far in installing everything but the kitchen sink. Like I said before, I installed Debian with KDE2 and GNOME in 800 megabytes. RedHat wanted to use twice that space. That can't be all hardware configuration tools and other user-friendly stuff. RedHat installs everything but the kitchen sink.
Not too mention it leaves tons of ports open (last time I sued it -- around 7.1) -- does the average internet user need ANY server services? Especially not inetd (telnet, ftp, etc.) and NFS. Although I admit Debian installs inetd and starts it up. I don't understand why any distro can't come with no services open. And most distros seem to think everything under the sun has to be loaded at boot time (do we REALLY need to recompile the modules.dep file everytime we boot up?)
...trying to explain to congress the notion of bill to PROTECT freedoms.
I tried installing the 'null' beta on an extra 800 meg hard drive. I couldn't really install anything except for the base and a few text tools (no X, gnome, etc). RedHat is not for people that don't have a few extra gigs.
Not only that, it REALLY slows down my 1.2 ghz Athlon box. Do we REALLY need to start up NFS daemons and every other daemon when we boot up (not to mention the security issues.) Seems like the "user-friendly" distros just get more bloated. I installed Debian sid on the 800 meg HD and had space for Gnome 2, KDE, Apache, Galeon2, etc.
I don't under stand why they aren't releasing the source. From the link:
"We aren't trying to get anything out of giving this application away other than try to get more people using Ogg Vorbis."
Also from their site:
"We at TheKompany.com are proud to fully support and participate in the open source movement. We hope you will join us in actively helping to make open source work and make Linux continue on its rise to being the premiere operating system for any computer and any user."
Then why not release the source so the community can and improve use this? If you don't like freedom go back to MP3 and their patents, Krummy Kompany.
Or you could just type:
norweigiantroll@impi:~$ gaim &
Seems like a waste of electricity to have it plugged in all the time (you do have to plug in it right?) Why not just have your picture printed and put it in a real frame? I know, it costs money, and it's only one picture -- but you can have as many of them as you want. If it had buttons where you could change the picture that would be cool.