Re:This will be another solid update
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Jaguar is Over
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You're the troll, dork.
7.5 is eight years old, and nowhere NEAR current. The difference between Apple and Microsoft is that in eight years, Apple's OS has matured far past the point of being noticeably different, while Microsoft/will always/ support eight-year-old OSes because they only release major updates every three years or so.
Apple has released the following major updates since 1995:
8.0 8.1 (HFS+ introduction) 8.5 9 X 10.0 X 10.1 X 10.2 And later this year, X 10.3.
Compare this to Microsoft:
Win95 Win98 Win2000 (and ME in the same time period, with ME not really being "moving forward" by the accounts of ME users) WinXP
Eight versus four. It's easy to support an OS that's eight years old if you've only released a few big revisions since then.
People often use AOL, MSN, etc. as their home pages because of headlines and such. Load up MSN and there are news headlines.
How about setting her home page as news.google.com instead? You get TONS of news from EVERYWHERE, plus a news/and/ WWW search, right there. Loads faster than MSN and AOL, too.
"SCO is basically owned and run by The Canopy Group, a Utah firm with investments in dozens of companies. Canopy's chief executive, Ralph J. Yarro III, is chairman of SCO's board of directors and engineered the suit against Microsoft in 1996. Darcy Mott, Canopy's chief financial officer, is another SCO director, along with Thomas Raimondi, chief executive of a Canopy company called MTI Technology (nasdaq: MTIC - news - people ). In this cozy company, SCO even leases its office space from Canopy--a fact disclosed in Securities and Exchange Commission filings, along with the fact that SCO's chief financial officer, Robert Bench, has a side job as a partner in a Utah consulting firm that last year billed SCO for $71,200."
If this isn't some strange form of inbreeding, I don't know what it.
http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=67524& ci d=6234828
I find it amusing that someone posted a redundant comment about a redundant article.
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The word from a service provider
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iBox Episode 2
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I'm not gonna get into the debate over what Apple should or shouldn't be doing, but I've seen some in this thread wondering how it works, these contracts with service providers (AASPs, Specialists, and Self-servicing Providers).
In a nutshell, here's how it works:
There are two ways you can order parts from Apple, essentially:
1. You can "service stock" the part. With this method, you buy it at the highest price. Apple doesn't expect anything back, since it's an order for something you want to stock, generally. It has other uses, but this is the main use.
2. You can order an "exchange part", where you send back the defective or failed part upon completion of the repair. Using this method, the part's cost to you is cheaper, and thus cheaper to your customers (ideally). Exchange orders are typically the most popular types of orders.
When I say cheaper via the exchange method, I mean it. Contractually, I can't disclose the difference(s)--it's essentially NDA information--but it's enough to warrant ordering exchange parts when you can.
However, if you don't return the failed or defective part within a certain time window, you get invoiced for the full price of the part you ordered. This acts as a pretty decent fraud deterrent, since if you wanted to pay full price, knowing about the return date ahead of time, you would have stocked the part to begin with. (And you wouldn't have taken a hit on your service provider rating because you failed to return something to Apple.)
Service providers are NOT allowed to buy most parts from Apple and resell them directly to others; non-CIPs (so-called "customer-installable parts", such as RAM and rechargeable batteries) must be installed by a service provider or returned to Apple.
Yeah. You only need one copy on the 'Net to make copy protection irrelevant, I always tell people.
Off-topic: Apparently, only the U.S. copies of the new Radiohead record are supposedly DRM-unladen (mine is). No, no typo there. I believe there's a note about it in greenplastic.com's news somewhere, but I can't find it.
I usually don't bitch about what the Slashdot editors run, be it duplicate stories or typos--we're all human, we all make mistakes.
But I have to wonder what the hell was going through Hemos's mind when he decided to post this story. It seems like he posted a story about illegal copies of an unreleased game.
What was the point? Are you trying to get Slashdot shut down? Piss off the readers? Game developers? It's stuff like this that makes all computer geeks look like skeezy software pirates, and it's on the front page, no less. This stuff makes everyone here look like hypocrites and asshats when we preach about fair use and how the content publishers and distributors should treat us as their customers.
So this story didn't link to an illegal ISO. It didn't give a BitTorrent link. But with no real reason why it should have been posted--this stuff happens/all the time/ in the console world these days--coupled with the write-up that got posted, it seems like a 1337 plug for the ISOs.
If we/act/ like pirates, the big content companies will/treat/ us like pirates.
I never said Safari supported more than IE, I said it has support for most stuff. I/did/ say that Microsoft said it was better than IE, and they're right. It's faster, smaller, and is more multithreaded than IE has ever been.
Some universities are part of the Microsoft Select Licensing Program. Ask if yours is. Where I work, we are, and Office is $70 or less, depending on the version. Select is student-only, though, but it's nice to see.
Or, it could be Microsoft taking losses to maintain its marketshare.;-)
A thought just occurred to me, and scanning the comments here, I didn't see anything about it. (I don't browse lower than +1, so if I missed it, I'm sorry.)
What's stopping Microsoft from wrapping their own GUI around WebCore? If Omni can use it, Microsoft can, too.
Pride? Legal issues? Apathy? Arrogance?
They could easily adopt it, augment it with extra services, and wrap it in a cute (/sarcasm) MSN-style GUI. Problem solved.
There's no reason to steal Office. The guys at the Mac Business Unit put a lot of work into it, and deserve to get paid for their labor.
I happen to think that Microsoft charges WAY too much for it.
Not everyone at Microsoft is bad, guys. The entity may suck, but there are some nice people there. (*waves to Bungie*)
If you think it's worth stealing, use OpenOffice instead, because you obviously don't need Office's more advanced features. (I equate it to using the GIMP when you don't need Photoshop's bigger guns.)
"(1) Safari *is* using the wrong fonts for rendering to the screen. Because of our use of lower-level APIs, we missed out on a font substitution step that happens when rendering to the screen where the bitmap font ends up getting chosen for rendering. This is a bug in Safari, and we're looking into fixing it."
As it turns out, after I found the reference to it on Dave Hyatt's site, Safari/does/ use low-level APIs for text rendering (or at least did, at one point), but they're probably/not/ internal at all.
No, it's a bullshit move from Microsoft. IE is shipped standard on Macs, and a good deal of Mac users use it, believe it or not.
Microsoft already has a substantial Mac user base, so that's not an issue. They're just supposedly not interested in upkeeping it at all; they'd rather let it die out than do anything about it.
How can you expect to have a well-receieved product if you don't bother paying attention to it? Even IE would die out (eventually) if Microsoft didn't tweak the app somewhere and pop a new version number on it.
Not all of Mac OS X is open, though. Microsoft will never get access to QuickTime's source or Quartz's source. The second one is the problem, you see, because Safari uses low-level Quartz calls to render text. Safari's faster because of that, but unfortunately, only Apple has access to this.
I/think./ I might be wrong. Any ADC member out there who has more information, hit the reply link down below.;-)
Anyway, it's still a bullshit excuse from Microsoft. Look at how fast Camino is, for example. The Camino team has the same level of access to the DOCUMENTED APIs that Microsoft does, and yet their browser doesn't blow monkey dongs.
Entourage isn't bad, really. If you've ever used Outlook Express and liked it, Entourage is right up your alley.
I was an old OE user in my pre-X days, and now that I'm on this UNIX-BASED SYSTEM (fuck you, Open Group), I use Entourage all the time. The downside is that, just like the Windows version, Office for Mac is ridiculously expensive. (Yay for various discounts. I'd never pay full street price--$400-$500--for Office. Sorry, fellas.)
Yeah, the PC133 thing is old, but until the new procs come, DDR is useless since the current Motoasshatola G4s don't have the cohones to utilize the faster RAM speeds of DDR.
The Open Group's point, though, is that since Mac OS X (and FreeBSD) neither contains AT&T code nor conforms to the Single Unix Specification, Apple shouldn't be tossing around the Unix name owned by TOG.
And really, TOG's/real/ complaint is that/they/ own the trademark, not Apple, and that they're not being paid for the use of the trademark.
Every hint author in this book was contacted for approval. No one's stealing from anyone or plagarizing anyone else's work.
Rob also did a MASSIVE amount of work in the process of going from what's on macosxhints.com to the book. It took a long time to write and revise. And revise. If the content of the book doesn't convince you, go ask the guys in #macosxhints on irc.krono.net.
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You're the troll, dork.
/will always/ support eight-year-old OSes because they only release major updates every three years or so.
7.5 is eight years old, and nowhere NEAR current. The difference between Apple and Microsoft is that in eight years, Apple's OS has matured far past the point of being noticeably different, while Microsoft
Apple has released the following major updates since 1995:
8.0
8.1 (HFS+ introduction)
8.5
9
X 10.0
X 10.1
X 10.2
And later this year, X 10.3.
Compare this to Microsoft:
Win95
Win98
Win2000 (and ME in the same time period, with ME not really being "moving forward" by the accounts of ME users)
WinXP
Eight versus four. It's easy to support an OS that's eight years old if you've only released a few big revisions since then.
I'll take "progress" for three hundred, Alex.
Hmm. No.
/and/ WWW search, right there. Loads faster than MSN and AOL, too.
People often use AOL, MSN, etc. as their home pages because of headlines and such. Load up MSN and there are news headlines.
How about setting her home page as news.google.com instead? You get TONS of news from EVERYWHERE, plus a news
Don't know what /is./
I previewed and everything. Meh. Nap time. (Work? Bah!)
"SCO is basically owned and run by The Canopy Group, a Utah firm with investments in dozens of companies. Canopy's chief executive, Ralph J. Yarro III, is chairman of SCO's board of directors and engineered the suit against Microsoft in 1996. Darcy Mott, Canopy's chief financial officer, is another SCO director, along with Thomas Raimondi, chief executive of a Canopy company called MTI Technology (nasdaq: MTIC - news - people ). In this cozy company, SCO even leases its office space from Canopy--a fact disclosed in Securities and Exchange Commission filings, along with the fact that SCO's chief financial officer, Robert Bench, has a side job as a partner in a Utah consulting firm that last year billed SCO for $71,200."
If this isn't some strange form of inbreeding, I don't know what it.
The SCO family tree just goes in a big circle.
FYI, someone already posted this:
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http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=67524
I find it amusing that someone posted a redundant comment about a redundant article.
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Mikey-San
bungie.org | BEER WINE GUNS AMMO PICNIC SUPPLIES
I'm not gonna get into the debate over what Apple should or shouldn't be doing, but I've seen some in this thread wondering how it works, these contracts with service providers (AASPs, Specialists, and Self-servicing Providers).
/. crowd interested. :-)
In a nutshell, here's how it works:
There are two ways you can order parts from Apple, essentially:
1. You can "service stock" the part. With this method, you buy it at the highest price. Apple doesn't expect anything back, since it's an order for something you want to stock, generally. It has other uses, but this is the main use.
2. You can order an "exchange part", where you send back the defective or failed part upon completion of the repair. Using this method, the part's cost to you is cheaper, and thus cheaper to your customers (ideally). Exchange orders are typically the most popular types of orders.
When I say cheaper via the exchange method, I mean it. Contractually, I can't disclose the difference(s)--it's essentially NDA information--but it's enough to warrant ordering exchange parts when you can.
However, if you don't return the failed or defective part within a certain time window, you get invoiced for the full price of the part you ordered. This acts as a pretty decent fraud deterrent, since if you wanted to pay full price, knowing about the return date ahead of time, you would have stocked the part to begin with. (And you wouldn't have taken a hit on your service provider rating because you failed to return something to Apple.)
Service providers are NOT allowed to buy most parts from Apple and resell them directly to others; non-CIPs (so-called "customer-installable parts", such as RAM and rechargeable batteries) must be installed by a service provider or returned to Apple.
Just some info for the
Yeah. You only need one copy on the 'Net to make copy protection irrelevant, I always tell people.
Off-topic: Apparently, only the U.S. copies of the new Radiohead record are supposedly DRM-unladen (mine is). No, no typo there. I believe there's a note about it in greenplastic.com's news somewhere, but I can't find it.
Why sue for billions when we could sue for ...
/got nothing
MILLIONS?
I usually don't bitch about what the Slashdot editors run, be it duplicate stories or typos--we're all human, we all make mistakes.
/all the time/ in the console world these days--coupled with the write-up that got posted, it seems like a 1337 plug for the ISOs.
/act/ like pirates, the big content companies will /treat/ us like pirates.
But I have to wonder what the hell was going through Hemos's mind when he decided to post this story. It seems like he posted a story about illegal copies of an unreleased game.
What was the point? Are you trying to get Slashdot shut down? Piss off the readers? Game developers? It's stuff like this that makes all computer geeks look like skeezy software pirates, and it's on the front page, no less. This stuff makes everyone here look like hypocrites and asshats when we preach about fair use and how the content publishers and distributors should treat us as their customers.
So this story didn't link to an illegal ISO. It didn't give a BitTorrent link. But with no real reason why it should have been posted--this stuff happens
If we
Or did I miss something at 9:00 in the morning?
I never said Safari supported more than IE, I said it has support for most stuff. I /did/ say that Microsoft said it was better than IE, and they're right. It's faster, smaller, and is more multithreaded than IE has ever been.
It's too bad you didn't seem to notice.
Some universities are part of the Microsoft Select Licensing Program. Ask if yours is. Where I work, we are, and Office is $70 or less, depending on the version. Select is student-only, though, but it's nice to see.
;-)
Or, it could be Microsoft taking losses to maintain its marketshare.
A thought just occurred to me, and scanning the comments here, I didn't see anything about it. (I don't browse lower than +1, so if I missed it, I'm sorry.)
;-)
What's stopping Microsoft from wrapping their own GUI around WebCore? If Omni can use it, Microsoft can, too.
Pride? Legal issues? Apathy? Arrogance?
They could easily adopt it, augment it with extra services, and wrap it in a cute (/sarcasm) MSN-style GUI. Problem solved.
"Embrace and extend" is policy, right?
There's no reason to steal Office. The guys at the Mac Business Unit put a lot of work into it, and deserve to get paid for their labor.
I happen to think that Microsoft charges WAY too much for it.
Not everyone at Microsoft is bad, guys. The entity may suck, but there are some nice people there. (*waves to Bungie*)
If you think it's worth stealing, use OpenOffice instead, because you obviously don't need Office's more advanced features. (I equate it to using the GIMP when you don't need Photoshop's bigger guns.)
"(1) Safari *is* using the wrong fonts for rendering to the screen. Because of our use of lower-level APIs, we missed out on a font substitution step that happens when rendering to the screen where the bitmap font ends up getting chosen for rendering. This is a bug in Safari, and we're looking into fixing it."
This doesn't mean what I think it means?
As it turns out, after I found the reference to it on Dave Hyatt's site, Safari /does/ use low-level APIs for text rendering (or at least did, at one point), but they're probably /not/ internal at all.
Another link!
Thought that would be useful for this thread.
No, it's a bullshit move from Microsoft. IE is shipped standard on Macs, and a good deal of Mac users use it, believe it or not.
Microsoft already has a substantial Mac user base, so that's not an issue. They're just supposedly not interested in upkeeping it at all; they'd rather let it die out than do anything about it.
How can you expect to have a well-receieved product if you don't bother paying attention to it? Even IE would die out (eventually) if Microsoft didn't tweak the app somewhere and pop a new version number on it.
Not all of Mac OS X is open, though. Microsoft will never get access to QuickTime's source or Quartz's source. The second one is the problem, you see, because Safari uses low-level Quartz calls to render text. Safari's faster because of that, but unfortunately, only Apple has access to this.
/think./ I might be wrong. Any ADC member out there who has more information, hit the reply link down below. ;-)
I
Anyway, it's still a bullshit excuse from Microsoft. Look at how fast Camino is, for example. The Camino team has the same level of access to the DOCUMENTED APIs that Microsoft does, and yet their browser doesn't blow monkey dongs.
But that's Microsoft for you.
WebCore/KHTML is getting there at a great pace. It has awesome support for most stuff, and as Microsoft says, it's better than IE/Mac.
It has fairly thick CSS support, too:
Woot, link!
Entourage isn't bad, really. If you've ever used Outlook Express and liked it, Entourage is right up your alley.
I was an old OE user in my pre-X days, and now that I'm on this UNIX-BASED SYSTEM (fuck you, Open Group), I use Entourage all the time. The downside is that, just like the Windows version, Office for Mac is ridiculously expensive. (Yay for various discounts. I'd never pay full street price--$400-$500--for Office. Sorry, fellas.)
Yeah, the PC133 thing is old, but until the new procs come, DDR is useless since the current Motoasshatola G4s don't have the cohones to utilize the faster RAM speeds of DDR.
I restate: "Asshats."
You rule.
;-)
Goth/punk/emo girls are the greatest. I love my girlfriend, an emo/goth girl. Caught my eyes the first time I saw her.
Damn, now I'm missing her more while she's at work! You bastard!
Dude, are you really the SG.com guy?
Just curious.
That wasn't what the parent poster said.
Summary:
Maybe if this asshat didn't spend 40+ hours a week playing this fucking game, he could be successful and wouldn't have to find a new place to live.
Addiction, noun.
The Open Group's point, though, is that since Mac OS X (and FreeBSD) neither contains AT&T code nor conforms to the Single Unix Specification, Apple shouldn't be tossing around the Unix name owned by TOG.
/real/ complaint is that /they/ own the trademark, not Apple, and that they're not being paid for the use of the trademark.
;-)
And really, TOG's
Still, somehow, I blame SCO for all of this.
Every hint author in this book was contacted for approval. No one's stealing from anyone or plagarizing anyone else's work.
Rob also did a MASSIVE amount of work in the process of going from what's on macosxhints.com to the book. It took a long time to write and revise. And revise. If the content of the book doesn't convince you, go ask the guys in #macosxhints on irc.krono.net.