First one: Ok, so Neo is the equivalent of Satan. But Satan's name was Lucifer, The Lightbringer, and he was supposedly the one who brought mankind intellection. Humans are creative - creativity means disorder. Lucifer is thought to be evil because of the thousands of years of brainwashing done by those who would like to have Order.
As for the second one, to quote "Faust":
Faust. Well now, who are you then? Mephistopheles. Part of that Power which would
The Evil ever do, and ever does the Good.
I think that what the primary purpose of a game is, depends on your point of view. If you are a big corporation (like MS), the purpose of the game is to make you money, being entertaining is just a good way to sell a game. If you are the US Army or Hezbollah, the game's primary purpose is to get you more recruits. The game's primary purpose is to be entertaining only if you're a gamer.
Technically, Finland isn't a part of Scandinavia, as it's not on the Scandinavian peninsula. It is, however, a part of it culturally (and so is Denmark). The term 'Nordic countries' also includes Iceland (and if you happen to be an Estonian, then Estonia, too, belongs to this group).
I assure you the Terrorist are not playing by any rules
Oh, so that's what frightens you about them - they're not playing by your rules. I'm sorry to say this, but sir, you sound just like an animal. Because to an animal, a human being is dangerous, because humans break the rules.
The one right that you must have to enjoy liberty. The right is the right to breath.
I hope you aren't saying that it's all alright as long as you're living (because you "don't break any rules"). I'm not saying that you're a sheep, neither am I saying that Bush = Hitler because of USA PATRIOT (oh, how I love this acronym) Act. It's just that you can't fight with those who are not playing by the rules by imposing more stricter rules. More rules always means that there will be more of those who are not playing by the rules (you may call them terrorists, if you want/have to, I will just say that they are outside the system), and that won't improve the situation.
There is nothing at all trollish about the parent of this post.
That's just to prove how good they are at hiding it these days. You won't even know that someone is a troll unless it's too late. Says an anonymous victim: "My fiancee turned out to be a troll! All that time, I had thought that she's a human (and a pretty one, too), luckily last night someone even more anonymous than me sent me an anonymous email moderating her as (-1, Troll). Naturally, I drove her out of my house immediately. To think, we were going to get married the next weekend! Oh, how humiliating it would have been!"
Hehe. Or maybe they just lacked the faith and started whining "I wanna go home" and "I want my TV" (yes, I am aware that there were no TV's back then) and stuff, so they were punished and never reached California. Or maybe they just got lost as they had no biblical pillar of fire showing them the way.
That's an interesting question. I assume you're talking about Jews. One of the reasons why they have been hated so long is that they have been outsiders everywhere, as they haven't had a real homeland (only a book talking about a promised land). As outsiders, they've mostly been outside social hierarchies, earning a living in trades considered filthy by those inside the system - usury, for instance. And those who are outside the system are always looked down on - even by those members of the society who are on the lowest level in the hierarchy.
I did wonder, when I became aware of it, why 18 years of Catholic upbringing had failed to draw my attention to it
Maybe it was because of the Catholic upbringing that you didn't notice it before. It's not like the creation part is often discussed in sermons, and I doubt that all Christians have actually read the bible (I may be wrong in both, of course, as I have no first hand experience). I, a wretched atheist/agnostic, noticed two different versions of the creation myth the first time I actually read the Bible.
Like so much I know, I didn't think of it first
There are lots of things you are used to doing or knowing, but don't actually think about unless someone points them out to you, or you are deprived of them (like when your hand gets cut off). Things that don't actually have any meaning to you. Like everything I have just said - I had known all this for a while, but not actually thought of it before. But now, typing this post made me think that I need to give it all a bit more thought. So I'll now stop ranting about things you probably already know. Period.
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And how exactly does "with human intelligence and by procedure" differ from "from chaos and randomness"?
what did you _think_ would happen when you started shooting at moving vehicles? They don't drive themselves
Do you really think of this when playing GTA? Do you really think the kid who cut her sister open some years ago to see what's inside wanted to kill her? A few years ago, some kid killed a woman by dropping a stone on her car. Was he really trying to kill someone by this? Clearly they didn't think of the consequences when they did what they did. It seems like it was just a game for them. Unfortunately, they tragically mixed up game and reality. Don't tell me that GTA's realism had nothing to do with it (no, I'm not saying that "the game did the shooting").
Crazy people are crazy because they don't fit into the "normal" categories. Killing someone for money is less shocking than killing someone "because the dog told me to". Why? In the second case the dead person is just as dead as in the first case. For the "Son of Sam", the dog's telling him to may have been a very good cause to kill someone - just as good as "the boss told me to" is for an executioner. Besides, there is always a reason (or at least I believe there is, or at least there is one retroactivley) why someone did something crazy. Why was it GTA in these kids' case?
Haven't you ever hurt anyone while playing without actually meaning to do so? My brother once broke my arm as a kid when we were wrestling, did he mean to cripple me? Don't say that these kids were out there trying to kill people, not playing.
the corporations sure ain't trying to teach them anything
They sure are trying to teach them to consume, consume, consume. The rest they teach they do without actually conciously trying to do so (or at least I hope they aren't).
The comparison with tobacco companies was trying to be sarcasm. I apologize for being a jerk and using sarcasm in inappropriate situations.
Yes, the parents are to blame for buying the kids a game with "mature" rating. But if the game is the cause of the shooting, you still can't blame only the parents for it. The game had a part in all this.
I love the quote from the article from one of the kids: "I didnt' mean to hurt anyone." Hey asshat, dont' shoot shotguns at the highway then, you fucking tool.
I like that quote, too. Makes one think, what if they mixed up game and reality? "The thugs in "Home Alone" didn't get hurt when Kevin dropped bricks on them. How was I supposed to know that bricks kill people?"
Note that the archaic law was not meant to console the victim (or the relatives), it was meant to restore the world order. So, if you kill someone or steal something (or commit some other crime), the whole universe goes out of balance and the previous situation has to be restored (otherwise, the gods get angry and bad things happen).
Well, there are kitchen knives and scissors in every home, and these are lethal weapons, too, yet noone locks them in a safe.
The correct thing to do (besides not having guns near you) would be doing so that the kid doesn't want to get his hands on the gun (shooting his toe off is a bit drastic, though).
Well, if you can blame Philip Morris (not yourself) for your lung cancer, why shouldn't you be able to sue Rockstar if you're a fucked up kid?
I had completely forgotten about the age limit, though - mostly because there isn't one around here. Yes, the parents should really pay more attention to what their kids play (how come they can control what the kid watches on TV but not what games he/she buys?). But. What if there never was a game like GTA? Or what if those kids never ever saw GTA? Would they still have gone out shooting cars? (Maybe they would have done something even worse instead...)
As the parent said, if you really want to get guns, you will get them even if they're locked up. Experience shows that kids are quite clever if it comes to these matters (or haven't you ever opened a locked drawer you're told not to touch, just to see what's inside?).
They might have had problems before they ever saw GTA, but if it was GTA that triggered the shooting then GTA is to be blamed for these killings.
Another thought: As an analogy to all those smokers sueing the tobacco industries, the shooters' parents should be the ones sueing Rockstar - for fucking up their kids' brains...
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First one: Ok, so Neo is the equivalent of Satan. But Satan's name was Lucifer, The Lightbringer, and he was supposedly the one who brought mankind intellection. Humans are creative - creativity means disorder. Lucifer is thought to be evil because of the thousands of years of brainwashing done by those who would like to have Order.
As for the second one, to quote "Faust":
Faust. Well now, who are you then?
Mephistopheles. Part of that Power which would
The Evil ever do, and ever does the Good.
I think that what the primary purpose of a game is, depends on your point of view. If you are a big corporation (like MS), the purpose of the game is to make you money, being entertaining is just a good way to sell a game. If you are the US Army or Hezbollah, the game's primary purpose is to get you more recruits. The game's primary purpose is to be entertaining only if you're a gamer.
Technically, Finland isn't a part of Scandinavia, as it's not on the Scandinavian peninsula. It is, however, a part of it culturally (and so is Denmark). The term 'Nordic countries' also includes Iceland (and if you happen to be an Estonian, then Estonia, too, belongs to this group).
Prior art to uroulette.com?!
Well, Jim, it sure as hell ain't going anywhere else... As good as consumed, I'd say.
Oh, so that's what frightens you about them - they're not playing by your rules. I'm sorry to say this, but sir, you sound just like an animal. Because to an animal, a human being is dangerous, because humans break the rules.
The one right that you must have to enjoy liberty. The right is the right to breath.
I hope you aren't saying that it's all alright as long as you're living (because you "don't break any rules"). I'm not saying that you're a sheep, neither am I saying that Bush = Hitler because of USA PATRIOT (oh, how I love this acronym) Act. It's just that you can't fight with those who are not playing by the rules by imposing more stricter rules. More rules always means that there will be more of those who are not playing by the rules (you may call them terrorists, if you want/have to, I will just say that they are outside the system), and that won't improve the situation.
That's just to prove how good they are at hiding it these days. You won't even know that someone is a troll unless it's too late. Says an anonymous victim: "My fiancee turned out to be a troll! All that time, I had thought that she's a human (and a pretty one, too), luckily last night someone even more anonymous than me sent me an anonymous email moderating her as (-1, Troll). Naturally, I drove her out of my house immediately. To think, we were going to get married the next weekend! Oh, how humiliating it would have been!"
The troll declined to comment or show her face.
This is the dawning of the Age of Bavaria --
Age of Bavaria --
Bavaria -- Bavaria!
Where I live, winter begins on 22nd of December. I figure it's the same in the UK.
Hehe. Or maybe they just lacked the faith and started whining "I wanna go home" and "I want my TV" (yes, I am aware that there were no TV's back then) and stuff, so they were punished and never reached California. Or maybe they just got lost as they had no biblical pillar of fire showing them the way.
That's an interesting question. I assume you're talking about Jews. One of the reasons why they have been hated so long is that they have been outsiders everywhere, as they haven't had a real homeland (only a book talking about a promised land). As outsiders, they've mostly been outside social hierarchies, earning a living in trades considered filthy by those inside the system - usury, for instance. And those who are outside the system are always looked down on - even by those members of the society who are on the lowest level in the hierarchy.
Maybe it was because of the Catholic upbringing that you didn't notice it before. It's not like the creation part is often discussed in sermons, and I doubt that all Christians have actually read the bible (I may be wrong in both, of course, as I have no first hand experience). I, a wretched atheist/agnostic, noticed two different versions of the creation myth the first time I actually read the Bible.
Like so much I know, I didn't think of it first
There are lots of things you are used to doing or knowing, but don't actually think about unless someone points them out to you, or you are deprived of them (like when your hand gets cut off). Things that don't actually have any meaning to you. Like everything I have just said - I had known all this for a while, but not actually thought of it before. But now, typing this post made me think that I need to give it all a bit more thought. So I'll now stop ranting about things you probably already know. Period.
And how exactly does "with human intelligence and by procedure" differ from "from chaos and randomness"?
You can always write "none of the above" on the ballot. Do you still count as a person who has voted if you do this?
Do you really think of this when playing GTA? Do you really think the kid who cut her sister open some years ago to see what's inside wanted to kill her? A few years ago, some kid killed a woman by dropping a stone on her car. Was he really trying to kill someone by this? Clearly they didn't think of the consequences when they did what they did. It seems like it was just a game for them. Unfortunately, they tragically mixed up game and reality. Don't tell me that GTA's realism had nothing to do with it (no, I'm not saying that "the game did the shooting").
Crazy people are crazy because they don't fit into the "normal" categories. Killing someone for money is less shocking than killing someone "because the dog told me to". Why? In the second case the dead person is just as dead as in the first case. For the "Son of Sam", the dog's telling him to may have been a very good cause to kill someone - just as good as "the boss told me to" is for an executioner. Besides, there is always a reason (or at least I believe there is, or at least there is one retroactivley) why someone did something crazy. Why was it GTA in these kids' case?
Haven't you ever hurt anyone while playing without actually meaning to do so? My brother once broke my arm as a kid when we were wrestling, did he mean to cripple me? Don't say that these kids were out there trying to kill people, not playing.
They sure are trying to teach them to consume, consume, consume. The rest they teach they do without actually conciously trying to do so (or at least I hope they aren't).
Yes, the parents are to blame for buying the kids a game with "mature" rating. But if the game is the cause of the shooting, you still can't blame only the parents for it. The game had a part in all this.
I love the quote from the article from one of the kids: "I didnt' mean to hurt anyone." Hey asshat, dont' shoot shotguns at the highway then, you fucking tool.
I like that quote, too. Makes one think, what if they mixed up game and reality? "The thugs in "Home Alone" didn't get hurt when Kevin dropped bricks on them. How was I supposed to know that bricks kill people?"
Note that the archaic law was not meant to console the victim (or the relatives), it was meant to restore the world order. So, if you kill someone or steal something (or commit some other crime), the whole universe goes out of balance and the previous situation has to be restored (otherwise, the gods get angry and bad things happen).
Yeah. They only cut up their little sister to see whether she looks like the play-doctor-doll on the inside...
The correct thing to do (besides not having guns near you) would be doing so that the kid doesn't want to get his hands on the gun (shooting his toe off is a bit drastic, though).
I had completely forgotten about the age limit, though - mostly because there isn't one around here. Yes, the parents should really pay more attention to what their kids play (how come they can control what the kid watches on TV but not what games he/she buys?). But. What if there never was a game like GTA? Or what if those kids never ever saw GTA? Would they still have gone out shooting cars? (Maybe they would have done something even worse instead...)
As the parent said, if you really want to get guns, you will get them even if they're locked up. Experience shows that kids are quite clever if it comes to these matters (or haven't you ever opened a locked drawer you're told not to touch, just to see what's inside?).
Another thought: As an analogy to all those smokers sueing the tobacco industries, the shooters' parents should be the ones sueing Rockstar - for fucking up their kids' brains...