The RIAA doesn't have to address those concerns. As long as it can buy politicians it can continue saying anything it likes.
Yes, but sooner or later they will have to address some serious questions regarding their bussiness modell. Relying on artificiall protection from changing technology by buying politicians is not very smart.
Right now anyone can copy a CD at *very* low cost. And anyone can produce music at very low cost compared to a few years back. So basiclly, music is a commodity. In most functioning markets, items that anyone can make or produce gets a very low price because of competition.
The only way a RIAA company can sell such a item as that 50-cent CD at $15 is because they have made that artist into something special by marketing and because they have the right to copy and sell this artist. But today anyone that "dares" to infringe their copyright can copy this artist at very low cost and at almost no risk of getting caught. So, compared to a "homemade" copy of CD, the RIAA company's pricing of this item is screwed. Especially in non-developed and the emerging markets countries where people can't afford to use much money on CD's these items are very overpriced.
I bet its only a mather of time before some entrprising reader throws togheter a "Top 30 RIAA HIT HIT LIST -Music that suck" ; makes a torrent out of it and then upload it to suprnova.org or something.
Have you considered changing your ADSl into either a SDSL or VDSL service?
Some of those ISP's that offer ADSL have started to offer SDSL or VDSL. VDSL is currently very expensive in my area and only people within a short distcance from a telephone central can get it. SDSL is more flexible when it comes to max distace. Most people on SDSL get lower ping.
When I got my new connection I could either choose between 1024/512 ADSL at $85 or 1024/1024 at $140.
A bit expensive, but I get my own permanent IP, no pay per GB thing, can have my own servers etc.
And I can't complain at the latency, since many of the other users on the ISP are offices and bussiness whom almost only use their computers at office hours I get very low latency. Approx. 15 ms. to many CS-servers and the same to a backbone.
So I'm happy, but I still gaze at the connection of a friend of mine. He just got a VDSL 12500/6250 at $227. Officially, According to their User Agreement he cant't resell but the ISP is not that strict on it so he allready has 10+ customers...;-)
Yup, but most people fall for such a marketing trick almost every time.
It's the feature trick; as a producer of something you just add a feature that cost you almost nothing. I guess this new feature cost under $1 to add but they can add $5-10 on the retail price.
Yeah, that could happen. But for what I have read the product they (buymusic) are offering are crap.
-IE req.
-DRM-enabled WM9.
-Real number of songs are closer to 100000 than 300000.
-128Kpbs.
-From their Cust. Agreem.:"all downloaded Content is sublicensed to End Users and not sold, notwithstanding use of the terms "sell," "purchase," "order," or "buy" on the Site or this Agreement. "
You don't buy the music you just license them.
-And now; bad customer support.
So basically their offer is very unattractive when you can get a better offer from free. Illegal, but still much better if you look compare benefits and risk.
Even the lowest of the low whitin P2P, Kazaa offers the following:
-Any browser to download Kazaa.
-No DRM, MP3 or some OGG.
-Probably above 1 mill. songs
-160-192Kpbs.
-Copy-right enfringment with low probability of getting caught.
-You can keeep the music as long as you want as long as RIAA don't sue you.
-No support but the service is free.
The last time this was up on slashdot someone mentioned performance equivalent to a Intel P2 450 MHz. Since this is a RISC CPU it will of course be stronger in diffrent areas but that is another discussion.
But the real kicker with this CPU is the possibility for cheap dual and quad motherboards. If you can get 4 of these running under Linux or NetBSD the performance of one CPU don't mather that much. With a cost per CPU probably between $20-30* I would be all over tis offer.
From a customers wiewpoint competition in the Quad-motherboard is appreciated as these MB's today cost insane amounts of money.
All this depends on wheter they have added propper SMP support which is propably difficalt as they try to stay away of "IP" issues.
*Wild guess of course, but they just can't cost above $30 if they expect them to sell in China.
Good thing that 'nuclear deterrence' thing didn't work. Otherwise there might have been a shooting war between the U.S. and Soviet Union.
You can't compare the "deterrence effect" in case A; two super powers that knew that if one of them started a nuclear attack both would loose overall, to case B; where the record companies stand together against millions of individual sharers who don't necessarly go down if one of them is busted.
In case A you had a closed system where both players knew the consequences. In case B its totaly different. I some guy in Alabama gets busted and sued into oblivion that won't necessarily result in any damage for me.
Basically you analogy is nut, and only a moderator on cheap crack moderated your post Interesting.
And on top off all that its *very* unlikely that you get your money that you invested.
From the registration site;
Becoming a PAM trader:
3. Deposit of funds into the registrant's PAM trading account.
Since you are a terrorist, you obviously are since you knew about the attack, duh, the money gets locked down sibce the obviously belong to a terrorist organiztion.
The system is genious except for the fact that there are no incentives for investors in the long run to invest in this market. No incentives will result in little trading and the market will die.
And this is not realy a functioning market since the information is too limited to make good decisions.
I don't understand the Indians. They have more people living in poverty than there are people in the US, yet they build nukes and spend tons of money so they can live on the bleeding edge of [insert thing here].
I don't understand the Americans. They have more people living in poverty than there are people in Spain, yet they build nukes and spend tons of money so they can live on the bleeding edge of [insert thing here].
"What could be more rewarding than helping to promote two great American traditions: music and property rights?" Bainwol said in a statement.
The way he starts his RIAA job is atleast up to the normal RIAA standards; spreading BS about "property rights" as if property has anything to do with copyright.
The whole nuclear war thing is just an urban legend.
Yup. Wired had a intewiew. with Paul Baran about this two years ago. As a man who conceived the Internet architecture he should know what he is talking about.
Wired: The myth of the Arpanet - which still persists - is that it was developed to withstand nuclear strikes. That's wrong, isn't it?
Paul Baran: Yes. Bob Taylor1 had a couple of computer terminals speaking to different machines, and his idea was to have some way of having a terminal speak to any of them and have a network. That's really the origin of the Arpanet. The method used to connect things together was an open issue for a time.
What's even more interesting and more on-topic, in this discussion, is hes remarks about what was the big treat to Internet back then, not the USSR but the big telephone companies.
AT&T initially refused to build a digital packet switching network because they did not think it would work.
So I guess the lesson is that ehen _big_ companies or conglomerats controll something (AT&T owned the analog phone network back then) they are very relluctant to develop and support revolutionary technologies.
Maybe because they become lazy and allready have their share of the cash on the "marketplace", maybe because the risk is to high for them, but maybe most because they don't need to. They allredy controll the market through "their" network (read and replace analog network with digital Internet)
So when the big players gather controll of the Internet through user restrictions like DRM and limited possibilities for end to end communication the possibility for development of new technology will fall.
..since most of the people that use MSN Messenger don't care a lot about security, generally speaking of course and exceptions etc., they will be all over the MS download page because of this.
"OMFG; a thousand dollar for upgrading!!!"
Since the whole purpose with the original Rorschach test, which is behind these inkblots is to get "normal people" to get the same or similar thoughts, and empirical data probably supports this somewhat defeats the purpose of using this as a unique password.
If most people use only 10 different terms to describe a inkblot the address space would shrink to 10^10. Still difficault to bruteforce, but not impossible.
One of my college professors actually outlined a similar scheme several years ago. But (as he admitted) it had a fatal flaw: the keyspace was too small. In other words, it is not hard to assemble a list of under 50 possible passwords or two-letter combinations that describe a given inkblot.
So if someone makes a website similar to hotornot.com showing people blots instead of pictures and asking them to describe what they see they could easily assemble a list of the top 50 two-letter combinatins.
That would narrow the address space down a lot (someone do the math for me) but it would still be difficault to get the correct password.
(50^10=97656250000000000 which is something like 2^60,,, not shure about this, don't have a calc other than my a mobile phone...)
The article did not mention how many posssible blots the program constructed, but I assume its a infinite number of possibilities.
It now becomes impossible to make money through the production and sales of these works, because once one instance is created, it is copied and distributed for free to everyone else on the planet.
Well, even though I can copy a file at extremly low cost(bandwith) is still possible to make money.
And in the future even if my cost goes down it will still be possible to make money.
But they need to lower their cost and lower the price to make ot attractive to customers.
-$5 pr CD or DVD
-More live performances
-Addvertising-music
Even if they copy is available at almost zero cost peole are stille willing to pay to get a item they can hold in their hand or experience a great show.
But the days of fat profits will probably end soon.
So now we're kissing all of these industries goodbye. Think about what this would do to jobs and the economy.
My point is that claiming the benefits of unconstrained sharing outweigh the detriments is naive. No one can predict what the real impact will be.
The music big music industry(companies behind RIAA) don't have a automated ticket or right to hold their place they do in the economy. You just don't get a right to unlimited profit or for ever the right to make money. If they can't addapt to the copyright environment provided to them by the government, well, too bad for them.
And people wil still make music and some of them will still make money. It's doubtfull that anyone of them will make as much money as they did before technology made copies available at extremly low cost but some of them will continue to make money.
Technology has many times troughout the history rendered large parts of an industry obsolete. Just think about the cars and what effect they had on the "horse businness". During the years 1900 to 1960, in large parts of the world horse owners and those who profited directly or indirectly on horses lost their possibility to earn money on what they had earned money on in *thousands* of years.
But its still possible to find a niche withinn the "horse bussiness where it is possible to make money. And the ecomomy as a whole is in much better shape now than before 1900.
> these SAME old arguments about P2P and/or theft appear DAILY on slashdot now and its e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y boring.
Thank you for coming out and saying that. We've all read the same arguments over & over, yet I'm not reading anything I haven't read before.
Yeah, I agree, for those uf us that read slashdot daily this aint new or very interesting.br>
But, this is a huge/. story and probably a couple of new readers. For them to read that there is a substantial difference between theft an copyright infringement is important and a "5 Insightful".
After all most people in US keep hearing this RIAA FUD about "Piracy is hurting record sales", "Kazaa is evil and dangerous to the economy", "Freenet is a teroris network"(probably coming soon in a newspaper close to you) and all the other BS.
For RIAA this is a strategy and a public realation war. If they manage to get people into thinking: P2P implies theft and Copying is theft then they will win the battle by sponsoring and promoting laws like this one.
Honestly, folks, someone please explain how this could substantially save someone time surfing the web?
In non developed countries the lack of bandwith is a serious problem.
A year ago I was in Moscow. After 6 days without internet I really wanted to check my e-mail(webmail).
That day we spent some time some kilometers outside Moscow, but still managed to find a internetcafe.
After waiting for 15 minutes (the place was crowded) I started "surfing".
Man that was slow.
25 computers, *sharing* a 64kb uplink. And all the locals (they had an arangement; pay x numbers of rubels and "surf" as long as you want) where downloading with IRC, Kazaa, DC and ftp which resulted in *heavy* packet loss.
I spent 8 minutes getting the Yahoo.com frontpage. And it took me almost 20 minutes before I could read the first mail.
Personaly I think that the Linux choice came because it was cheaper in the long run (TCO) and offered many other advantages over MS Win.
But on the "this was about geographic/economy/natinalism/antiamericanism area";
Although I don't know the real reason behind their decission I would think that this was more a local vs. international choice rather than a German vs. American choice.
Munich just got off the Wheel of Upgrades. Now you wonder how many employees will feel they have to upgrade their home computers? How many employees (espeically managers) will go to the IT department and say "Hey, I got a laptop - make it so I can do the same stuff I do here in the office on the road", and they walk out with a SUSE installed machine.
Very interseting, and a subject few have thought about.
When people get to use Linux at work and experience by them self that: "Hey, this Linux thing works and it's better than Windows", -then will it become much easier to *upgarde* the home box to Linux.
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Yes, but sooner or later they will have to address some serious questions regarding their bussiness modell. Relying on artificiall protection from changing technology by buying politicians is not very smart.
Right now anyone can copy a CD at *very* low cost. And anyone can produce music at very low cost compared to a few years back. So basiclly, music is a commodity. In most functioning markets, items that anyone can make or produce gets a very low price because of competition.
The only way a RIAA company can sell such a item as that 50-cent CD at $15 is because they have made that artist into something special by marketing and because they have the right to copy and sell this artist. But today anyone that "dares" to infringe their copyright can copy this artist at very low cost and at almost no risk of getting caught. So, compared to a "homemade" copy of CD, the RIAA company's pricing of this item is screwed. Especially in non-developed and the emerging markets countries where people can't afford to use much money on CD's these items are very overpriced.
I bet its only a mather of time before some entrprising reader throws togheter a "Top 30 RIAA HIT HIT LIST -Music that suck" ; makes a torrent out of it and then upload it to suprnova.org or something.
Some of those ISP's that offer ADSL have started to offer SDSL or VDSL. VDSL is currently very expensive in my area and only people within a short distcance from a telephone central can get it. SDSL is more flexible when it comes to max distace. Most people on SDSL get lower ping.
When I got my new connection I could either choose between 1024/512 ADSL at $85 or 1024/1024 at $140.
A bit expensive, but I get my own permanent IP, no pay per GB thing, can have my own servers etc.
And I can't complain at the latency, since many of the other users on the ISP are offices and bussiness whom almost only use their computers at office hours I get very low latency. Approx. 15 ms. to many CS-servers and the same to a backbone.
So I'm happy, but I still gaze at the connection of a friend of mine. He just got a VDSL 12500/6250 at $227. Officially, According to their User Agreement he cant't resell but the ISP is not that strict on it so he allready has 10+ customers... ;-)
Forgot the Preview option again...
It's the feature trick; as a producer of something you just add a feature that cost you almost nothing. I guess this new feature cost under $1 to add but they can add $5-10 on the retail price.
-IE req.
-DRM-enabled WM9.
-Real number of songs are closer to 100000 than 300000.
-128Kpbs.
-From their Cust. Agreem.:"all downloaded Content is sublicensed to End Users and not sold, notwithstanding use of the terms "sell," "purchase," "order," or "buy" on the Site or this Agreement. "
You don't buy the music you just license them.
-And now; bad customer support.
So basically their offer is very unattractive when you can get a better offer from free. Illegal, but still much better if you look compare benefits and risk.
Even the lowest of the low whitin P2P, Kazaa offers the following:
-Any browser to download Kazaa.
-No DRM, MP3 or some OGG.
-Probably above 1 mill. songs
-160-192Kpbs.
-Copy-right enfringment with low probability of getting caught.
-You can keeep the music as long as you want as long as RIAA don't sue you.
-No support but the service is free.
I doubt BuyMusic.com will succeed.
But the real kicker with this CPU is the possibility for cheap dual and quad motherboards. If you can get 4 of these running under Linux or NetBSD the performance of one CPU don't mather that much. With a cost per CPU probably between $20-30* I would be all over tis offer.
From a customers wiewpoint competition in the Quad-motherboard is appreciated as these MB's today cost insane amounts of money.
All this depends on wheter they have added propper SMP support which is propably difficalt as they try to stay away of "IP" issues.
*Wild guess of course, but they just can't cost above $30 if they expect them to sell in China.
You can't compare the "deterrence effect" in case A; two super powers that knew that if one of them started a nuclear attack both would loose overall, to case B; where the record companies stand together against millions of individual sharers who don't necessarly go down if one of them is busted.
In case A you had a closed system where both players knew the consequences. In case B its totaly different. I some guy in Alabama gets busted and sued into oblivion that won't necessarily result in any damage for me.
Basically you analogy is nut, and only a moderator on cheap crack moderated your post Interesting.
From the registration site;
Since you are a terrorist, you obviously are since you knew about the attack, duh, the money gets locked down sibce the obviously belong to a terrorist organiztion.
The system is genious except for the fact that there are no incentives for investors in the long run to invest in this market. No incentives will result in little trading and the market will die.
And this is not realy a functioning market since the information is too limited to make good decisions.
I don't understand the Americans. They have more people living in poverty than there are people in Spain, yet they build nukes and spend tons of money so they can live on the bleeding edge of [insert thing here].
So what the FUCK is your point?
The way he starts his RIAA job is atleast up to the normal RIAA standards; spreading BS about "property rights" as if property has anything to do with copyright.
Dude; this is slashdot, haven't you heard all that talk about Free Beer?
Yup. Wired had a intewiew. with Paul Baran about this two years ago. As a man who conceived the Internet architecture he should know what he is talking about.
What's even more interesting and more on-topic, in this discussion, is hes remarks about what was the big treat to Internet back then, not the USSR but the big telephone companies.
AT&T initially refused to build a digital packet switching network because they did not think it would work.
So I guess the lesson is that ehen _big_ companies or conglomerats controll something (AT&T owned the analog phone network back then) they are very relluctant to develop and support revolutionary technologies.
Maybe because they become lazy and allready have their share of the cash on the "marketplace", maybe because the risk is to high for them, but maybe most because they don't need to. They allredy controll the market through "their" network (read and replace analog network with digital Internet)
So when the big players gather controll of the Internet through user restrictions like DRM and limited possibilities for end to end communication the possibility for development of new technology will fall.
I'm already hooked up to a major RIAA label for life you insensitive clod!
..since most of the people that use MSN Messenger don't care a lot about security, generally speaking of course and exceptions etc., they will be all over the MS download page because of this.
"OMFG; a thousand dollar for upgrading!!!"
Since the whole purpose with the original Rorschach test, which is behind these inkblots is to get "normal people" to get the same or similar thoughts, and empirical data probably supports this somewhat defeats the purpose of using this as a unique password.
If most people use only 10 different terms to describe a inkblot the address space would shrink to 10^10. Still difficault to bruteforce, but not impossible.
That would narrow the address space down a lot (someone do the math for me) but it would still be difficault to get the correct password.
(50^10=97656250000000000 which is something like 2^60,,, not shure about this, don't have a calc other than my a mobile phone...)
The article did not mention how many posssible blots the program constructed, but I assume its a infinite number of possibilities.
And in the future even if my cost goes down it will still be possible to make money.
But they need to lower their cost and lower the price to make ot attractive to customers.
-$5 pr CD or DVD
-More live performances
-Addvertising-music
Even if they copy is available at almost zero cost peole are stille willing to pay to get a item they can hold in their hand or experience a great show.
But the days of fat profits will probably end soon.
The music big music industry(companies behind RIAA) don't have a automated ticket or right to hold their place they do in the economy. You just don't get a right to unlimited profit or for ever the right to make money. If they can't addapt to the copyright environment provided to them by the government, well, too bad for them.And people wil still make music and some of them will still make money. It's doubtfull that anyone of them will make as much money as they did before technology made copies available at extremly low cost but some of them will continue to make money.
Technology has many times troughout the history rendered large parts of an industry obsolete. Just think about the cars and what effect they had on the "horse businness". During the years 1900 to 1960, in large parts of the world horse owners and those who profited directly or indirectly on horses lost their possibility to earn money on what they had earned money on in *thousands* of years.
But its still possible to find a niche withinn the "horse bussiness where it is possible to make money. And the ecomomy as a whole is in much better shape now than before 1900.
After all most people in US keep hearing this RIAA FUD about "Piracy is hurting record sales", "Kazaa is evil and dangerous to the economy", "Freenet is a teroris network"(probably coming soon in a newspaper close to you) and all the other BS.
For RIAA this is a strategy and a public realation war. If they manage to get people into thinking: P2P implies theft and Copying is theft then they will win the battle by sponsoring and promoting laws like this one.
Do you think I spent 8 minutes downloading the images on the yahoo frontpage?
Stupid AC...
A year ago I was in Moscow. After 6 days without internet I really wanted to check my e-mail(webmail).
That day we spent some time some kilometers outside Moscow, but still managed to find a internetcafe.
After waiting for 15 minutes (the place was crowded) I started "surfing".
Man that was slow.
25 computers, *sharing* a 64kb uplink. And all the locals (they had an arangement; pay x numbers of rubels and "surf" as long as you want) where downloading with IRC, Kazaa, DC and ftp which resulted in *heavy* packet loss.
I spent 8 minutes getting the Yahoo.com frontpage. And it took me almost 20 minutes before I could read the first mail.
But on the "this was about geographic/economy/natinalism/antiamericanism area";
Although I don't know the real reason behind their decission I would think that this was more a local vs. international choice rather than a German vs. American choice.
When people get to use Linux at work and experience by them self that: "Hey, this Linux thing works and it's better than Windows", -then will it become much easier to *upgarde* the home box to Linux.
http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/
Index here:
Human Development Indicators (571KB)
http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/pdf/hdr03_HDI.pdf
And my knowledge of Luxemburg is pretty limited. You are probably right.
Stupidity?