I think scientists as a whole need to come up with a different argument strategy.
People who shout "ZOMG!!1!one! The fizzy-sists are going to destroy teh w0rld, and then there'll be no more intarw3b!!" are NOT the same people who respond to sentences starting with "Our observations of the phsyical anomaly..."
I propose a method of name-calling, in which the educated get off their intellectual high-horses just long enough to say "STFU, n00b! Just because you're a retarded zealot doesn't mean I haven't done my homework. You remember homework, right? That stuff you thought was t3h ghey in highschool?".
Because then he's going to get angry calls from some teenager's father who demands an explanation for why his kid just toasted his computer because timmy selected "Format, Install" instead of parallel install. There are still quite a few families that don't have more than just the "family" pc, especially in inner city school districts where this would be the most help. heck, there are still quite a few families that don't even have the Familiy PC..
it worked for drug dealers and Microsoft, it'll work for open source. get enough kids using it at home, and you can convince poorer school districts to save their money. if the schools are turning out kids who know OO.org, colleges and companies are going to take notice..
what is it that inherently gives a person the right to control an idea? I am neither for, nor against "piracy" in general, I haven't pirated software or media in years (although I used to quite a bit), mostly because there's nothing I've found that I've liked but couldn't afford. I like to give money to people who produce things that I enjoy under the informal notion that if I do, that person will continue to make things that I like.
I don't, however, understand why people think they have the inaliable right to control what is literally nothing more than a concept. If I figured out how to build an XBox from the ground up using nothing but matchsticks, should that give me a monopoly on matchstick console production? What would have happened, I wonder, if the people who invented the process of making steel had been allowed to patent and copywrite the methods used? How about paper? If old Ben Franklin had stood up and said "Right, I figured out how to harness electricity, so bugger off if you're not going to pay me for it. Oh, and Spectacles are going to cost 500 pounds a piece," where would we be?
nails and lightbulbs and college-ruled notebooks aside, these companies have been deprived of nothing that they posessed before this "theft" occured. They are no worse off then they were before. You can't control an idea unless you keep it locked in your head and never tell a soul. even then you have to hope no one comes up with something similar.
I worked in the Precinct at store 21 and although i'm in PCHO at 470 now, I hop over there to help whenever they're bogged down, and this isn't really the case. Sure, at 21 we had a couple copies of ERD lying around, but they had been "decomissioned" as soon as we found out there was a Master PW Reset program on the MRI (checkdisc program that has all our utilities on it, for you non-"agents"). Diags were run using DFT (freely distributed by IBM), MEMTest (more freeware), McAfee cli-scanner (which was licensed at the time, don't know about now) and a bunch of different anti-spyware scanners. No pirated software anywhere..
as far as this ERD stuff goes, originally (maybe 6-8 months back) I heard through the GeekSquad grapevine that some stupid DA (onsite tech) used it to crack the pw of a customer who "forgot" what it was, and it just so happened that the lady worked for ERD, recognized the program and reported it. maybe there was some more recent issue, but considering the tool set I got from GS, there was no call for it at all.
not to mention all the corporate emails from GS higher-ups promising all-holy-retribution to be rained down upon any Precinct that did not purge all pirated software from the bench that went out every few months.
470 seattle is the 4th Bestbuy I've worked at, and if anything is true it's that some managers "get it" and some don't. my current managers don't. luckily, we have an awesome sup who's fightin' the good fight to support the good techs we have (and we have quite a few) and train up the ones who need it. i guess 323 is an example of the latter rather than former, no?
all in all, i actually enjoy working at Bestbuy, and i had a blast on the GeekSquad. I learned a lot of stuff about repair of nearly anything under the sun at 21 Iowa City. there are some techs there that oughta be off making 50 grand a year for what they're capable of..
Why am I not posting anonymous coward when Im giving them such obvious information as to who I am?
Because I'm not afraid of telling the truth.
Well, neither am I, insofar as i've experienced it.
Cheers!
PS. I read someone in an earlier thread mentioning the use of FOSS, figured I'd mention that the MRI is based on Knoppix and the PW crack is based on another ultrasmall distro that is basically just a bootable regedit, although i can't remember what it's called right now...
i was ruthlessly teased and picked on through out grade and highschool. i dreamed about homicidal sprees al la Colombine when i was 9 years old. when i broke my leg in junior high, my parents had to get me a new crutch because i'd carved "Die" into it so many times it almost broke...
Thing is, i finally managed to wake up. I had a few friends who helped me do it, and i silently thank them every day of my life. Some people will say I grew a thick skin, became jaded or what-not, but I learned how to laugh back, laugh at myself and/or ignore it.
You don't HAVE to drop out of highschool because you're being bullied. That's a shitty solution and it's not going to fix the root of the problem. my parents thought changing schools would work, but it didn't. the root of the problem is that the person being bullied is being affected to much, taking it too seriously. if you're predisposed to depression, someone poking fun at you will make it worse unless you choose to fix it.
maybe this kid was predisposed to depression, anxiety. maybe he's chemically imbalanced and needs drugs to fix that. i'll echo another poster by saying if the video had this much of an effect, he probably would've hit something else that'd do him in, too...
some people can self-correct (like i did), some people can't (like some of my friends). that doesn't mean that you're absolved from finding the fix for instability in the first place...
This one really gets to me. I was a camp councillor for the city park district when I was 16 and they put me in charge of the 8 and 9 year old kids. I'm a guy, and I've always been taller/heavier than most of the people around me, so i never got the "ooo! look at the cute little kid" attention when I was younger..
anyway, when my 14 year old junior councillor chicks would walk around with the cute little 7 & 8 year olds on their backs or hips I decided that I was going to even the score; I carried around the larger kids. it was a lot of fun, some times i'd be carrying one (or two or three) around and i'd get mobbed by the others wanting me to pick them up too. no one ever pays attention to the (physically) bigger kids and people tend to be harder on them because they look older.
that lasted all of a week before I got pulled into the boss' office and told that I couldn't pick the children up anymore because the city was worried about potential lawsuits. did anything happen to the girls? no. they got to pick the kids up, they got to hug them, swing them around and play. i got the feeling that I wasn't even allowed to touch them anymore.
men in childcare aren't just discriminated against, in some cases they are falsely accused of molestation which at best turns into an investigation that literally never gets closed and at worst can ruin their entire life. I babysat for neighbourhood kids from when I was 11 to 16, but after that I just couldn't do it anymore. I got paranoid about it, like everyone thought I was some dirty lech.
why does everyone here seem to equate fearlessness with stupidity? A guy on PCP doesn't jump out the window because he's not afraid, he jumps because he's dosed and thinks he can fly.
I don't get all the +5 posts saying we'd have soldiers shooting themselves in the face and flying planes into the ground for kicks, the only people I can see doing this are the ones whom are predisposed to suicide and have now lost their fear of death. that doesn't mean every tom-dick-and-harry is going to start signing up for suicide missions.
I'm sure there are many situations where comrades are killed because someone choked when they should be firing, or firing randomly because they're so afraid they can't aim properly. as long as this "enhancement" didn't affect the logical thinking of the person, I'm sure this would be beneficial to soldiers: help them keep their heads clear when in high stress situations..
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considering the point was that these establishments consume vast amounts of electricity, and that a very large portion of electricity in the US is generated by coal burning power plants, i don't believe there was any "crutch" involved. Burning coal pollutes like crazy.
Disclaimer: I am a smoker. while even before i started i was never bothered by the smell, car exhaust bothers me quite a bit. And if you want to experience smelly, try living in Iowa hog-farming country. I personally don't think there's anything worse, and some of the people I've met had the indelible smell of shit right to the bone..
I totally went off on a jihad-esque montage compairing Sk8er Boi with Black Flag, the Unseen, One Man Army...and then I noticed the "Funny" modifier and the sarcasm tag...
ya done took the wind outta my sails, dammit. i had a good thing goin'.
i'm downloading via BT right now. Started off at 266kbps, now it's bouncing between 180 and 210...it was link number two under the "watch this show" button...
The answer is right there at the end of the article.
He explained that when a department has a small number of simple Office macros and templates, but a large number of complex applications, it is easier to switch to OpenOffice on Windows before switching to Linux.
basically, all the desktops that aren't running apps that will be hard to replace with linux implimentations will get the full switch, while the others will get OOo first (probably along with FireFox and other assorted goodies) and linux later, after they've ironed out the bugs WRT the full transition.
makes sense from a technological aspect. they want to insure that they will cause a minimal amount of disruption to normal work flow (hey, it's a government office we're talking about here. anything that disrupts the little work they actually get done is a Bad Thing(TM))..
I don't have respect for my father because he hit me (he didn't). I don't have respect for my father because he yelled at me (quite often). I have respect for my father because I know that he has sacrificed for my well being, because he raised me to have respect for people who help others and act appropriately.
this whole concept of "but how are we going to show the kids who's boss if we can't hit them" dross makes me sick. My father got the crap kicked out of him by his father every weekend (my grandfather traveled during the week). my father didn't respect his father at all...
what we need is not artificial "respect" garnered from fear of retribution, what we need is parents who understand honor. how much of a man does it take to hit someone weaker? how much of a man does it take to have patience and show the other person a better way?
i don't swear otfen. not because my parents forbade me from swearing, which they didn't, but because they told me constantly that I sounded like a fool when i did. ever watch the play Cyrano de Bergerac? some guy makes a crack at how big cyrano's nose is, and cyrano rips him a new one. not by cursing and saying he'll kick the dood's a$$, but by making him look the fool by using words he can't understand. my parents took me to see that play, and told me that if i felt like swearing, think about that scene and figure ou a better way of saying it.
in short, you don't have to have a totalitarian control over your children in order to teach them. you just have to teach them in a way that they understand.
Fear breeds nothing but hatred.
(my parents were in no way perfect, but they did do somethings right, and i plan on emulating those things and improving the others when it's my turn...)
every time i see a new article about how some school is decking out their student populous with shiney new apples and inspirons i can't help but think that we're pushing for tech in the wrong direction. yes, some people type better/faster than they write by hand, yes laptops are VERY useful for breaks between classes for doing homework or reseach for projects, but it stands to reason that there is a finite percentage of students for whom a laptop would be an educational boon.
having a laptop in class never really helped me. sure, i could type up notes, but i don't take many to begin with anyhow. i found that in the majority of my classes, i ended up using pen and paper anyway, as a math/cs major. diagrams, flow charts and little visiual queues greatly out numbered raw code that was generated in my classes.
now, the one technological advance that would benefit EVERY STUDENT, 100%, no matter their computer literacy, typing speed, course load or distraction threshold, is a simple, affordable ebook reader. make the viewable screen 8x10 or 11, use e-paper so it can run for months on a set of watch batteries and pad the living shit out of it so it'll be more durable. distribute recquired school texts as PDF on CF cards and you've just solved one of the biggest problems in american schools: students who have to lug 50lbs of text with them throughout the day because they don't have time between periods to stop off at dormrooms/lockers for the next round.
this is where the inovation should be. add a simple input interface and you could have information cross referenced between documents and suppliments. figure out how to make ultra-low energy draw wifi cards and you could link them to a national database for easy inquiries on specific topics. hell, you could have two models, the Standard that displayed and cross-referenced the info on the CF card, and the deluxe that allowed the user to "take notes" and link it to a specific page of a text (to accommodate those of us who like to write in the margins). if you had one of these designed like a portfolio with one screen on either side of the fold you could make one side the "book" side and the other the "note" side..
we're really missing the boat on this one, folks. students in general don't need full fledged laptops. all they need is an easy and convenient way to read and reference text.
in this scenario, they students who would truly benefit from laptops could still have one. but i'm willing to bet that the percentage of stuents nowadays who could really use a laptop to broaden their education to be around 5-7%, no greater than 15%. the rest would either use it in the fashion i describe for the e-book or use it to dick around in class while the teacher isn't looking..
i work at a BigBox computer retailer which uses WebSense on their networks to "Prevent" employees from wasting company time checking email and such. One problem I encountered while working on the sales floor was that "shopping" sites were blocked, which meant that when a customer wanted to compare pricing/selection with a competitor (or verify our claims that our price/performance was better) they had to go home and do it themselves. I can't tell you how many sales walked out the door do to "having to look around" after finding out they couldn't verify claims on the spot. A lot of people thought it was intentional, "Trust us, you don't need those other guys."
the problem is doubly bad now that I'm doing service repairs in store. it's really aggrevating to find that you can't get to the top five google-links for a specific hardware/software problem because they're all blocked by WebSense.
compound this with the fact that on the sales floor all of the keosks with web access are right out in the open where any manager could easily see what you're doing while walking by, and that the only secluded terminals in the store are behind the techbench (where unfettered access is really needed) and the problem becomes even more rediculous...
i was griping about pretty much the same thing a while ago here.
there have been some decent in-roads made in the ebook/"tablet"-type market, but all the good ones are DRM'd to shit and all the ones that aren't kinda suck.
got a little layout for my dream machine in the above link, let me know what you think, people!
"Computer Science Major" in my experience, has to be one of the biggest misnomers i've ever seen. It seems as though all they really did was take random bits from other majors and duct-taped them together. Digital Circuits/Microprocessors from EE, calc, a dash of physics and a sprinkling of Programming related courses. Voila, CS!
I was sure a good part of my experience was skewed because i was taking CS at a community college and not at University, but feedback from friends at Uni indicated that, although having more classes to choose from, they felt similarly.
I finished my AS reqs for CompSci and am taking a break before going back. The more I think about it, the less i really want to finish a BS with it as a major.
I asked a bunch of my friends what they wanted to do with a CS degree and the overwhelming response was programming, with a few really just wanting to work on/repair computers or be sysadmins.
CS as it stands now really only appeals to me as a minor. Everything I can think of doing after college would be better with a different major. You want to design MPs? take EE w/ CS minor. Encryption/AI? that'd be math w/ CS. hell, any of the sciences would be better off if taken with CompSci as a minor.
I'll still be taking CS courses when I go back, because i love it. it just seems to me that, unlike most majors, CompSci doesn't have a clear association with any given industry, it's either a catch all (like lib arts for computers) or a misorganised Programming certificate..
just my 2 cents as a CS student who won't be returning for the BS..
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I, for one, welcome our petrified soviet-twin demi-goddess overlords, you insensitive clod!
and how is this a bad thing?
ONWARD TO PROGRESS!!!
I think scientists as a whole need to come up with a different argument strategy.
People who shout "ZOMG!!1!one! The fizzy-sists are going to destroy teh w0rld, and then there'll be no more intarw3b!!" are NOT the same people who respond to sentences starting with "Our observations of the phsyical anomaly..."
I propose a method of name-calling, in which the educated get off their intellectual high-horses just long enough to say "STFU, n00b! Just because you're a retarded zealot doesn't mean I haven't done my homework. You remember homework, right? That stuff you thought was t3h ghey in highschool?".
Because then he's going to get angry calls from some teenager's father who demands an explanation for why his kid just toasted his computer because timmy selected "Format, Install" instead of parallel install. There are still quite a few families that don't have more than just the "family" pc, especially in inner city school districts where this would be the most help. heck, there are still quite a few families that don't even have the Familiy PC..
it worked for drug dealers and Microsoft, it'll work for open source. get enough kids using it at home, and you can convince poorer school districts to save their money. if the schools are turning out kids who know OO.org, colleges and companies are going to take notice..
Copyright infringement is most commonly the redistribution of media when you do not have the proper authority for such redistribution
Piracy is holding people under pain of death on the highseas and then robbing them
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JOshwhat is it that inherently gives a person the right to control an idea? I am neither for, nor against "piracy" in general, I haven't pirated software or media in years (although I used to quite a bit), mostly because there's nothing I've found that I've liked but couldn't afford. I like to give money to people who produce things that I enjoy under the informal notion that if I do, that person will continue to make things that I like.
I don't, however, understand why people think they have the inaliable right to control what is literally nothing more than a concept. If I figured out how to build an XBox from the ground up using nothing but matchsticks, should that give me a monopoly on matchstick console production? What would have happened, I wonder, if the people who invented the process of making steel had been allowed to patent and copywrite the methods used? How about paper? If old Ben Franklin had stood up and said "Right, I figured out how to harness electricity, so bugger off if you're not going to pay me for it. Oh, and Spectacles are going to cost 500 pounds a piece," where would we be?
nails and lightbulbs and college-ruled notebooks aside, these companies have been deprived of nothing that they posessed before this "theft" occured. They are no worse off then they were before. You can't control an idea unless you keep it locked in your head and never tell a soul. even then you have to hope no one comes up with something similar.
as far as this ERD stuff goes, originally (maybe 6-8 months back) I heard through the GeekSquad grapevine that some stupid DA (onsite tech) used it to crack the pw of a customer who "forgot" what it was, and it just so happened that the lady worked for ERD, recognized the program and reported it. maybe there was some more recent issue, but considering the tool set I got from GS, there was no call for it at all.
not to mention all the corporate emails from GS higher-ups promising all-holy-retribution to be rained down upon any Precinct that did not purge all pirated software from the bench that went out every few months.
470 seattle is the 4th Bestbuy I've worked at, and if anything is true it's that some managers "get it" and some don't. my current managers don't. luckily, we have an awesome sup who's fightin' the good fight to support the good techs we have (and we have quite a few) and train up the ones who need it. i guess 323 is an example of the latter rather than former, no?
all in all, i actually enjoy working at Bestbuy, and i had a blast on the GeekSquad. I learned a lot of stuff about repair of nearly anything under the sun at 21 Iowa City. there are some techs there that oughta be off making 50 grand a year for what they're capable of..
Well, neither am I, insofar as i've experienced it.
Cheers!
PS. I read someone in an earlier thread mentioning the use of FOSS, figured I'd mention that the MRI is based on Knoppix and the PW crack is based on another ultrasmall distro that is basically just a bootable regedit, although i can't remember what it's called right now...
Thing is, i finally managed to wake up. I had a few friends who helped me do it, and i silently thank them every day of my life. Some people will say I grew a thick skin, became jaded or what-not, but I learned how to laugh back, laugh at myself and/or ignore it.
You don't HAVE to drop out of highschool because you're being bullied. That's a shitty solution and it's not going to fix the root of the problem. my parents thought changing schools would work, but it didn't. the root of the problem is that the person being bullied is being affected to much, taking it too seriously. if you're predisposed to depression, someone poking fun at you will make it worse unless you choose to fix it.
maybe this kid was predisposed to depression, anxiety. maybe he's chemically imbalanced and needs drugs to fix that. i'll echo another poster by saying if the video had this much of an effect, he probably would've hit something else that'd do him in, too...
some people can self-correct (like i did), some people can't (like some of my friends). that doesn't mean that you're absolved from finding the fix for instability in the first place...
What's Ity-theft??
anyway, when my 14 year old junior councillor chicks would walk around with the cute little 7 & 8 year olds on their backs or hips I decided that I was going to even the score; I carried around the larger kids. it was a lot of fun, some times i'd be carrying one (or two or three) around and i'd get mobbed by the others wanting me to pick them up too. no one ever pays attention to the (physically) bigger kids and people tend to be harder on them because they look older.
that lasted all of a week before I got pulled into the boss' office and told that I couldn't pick the children up anymore because the city was worried about potential lawsuits. did anything happen to the girls? no. they got to pick the kids up, they got to hug them, swing them around and play. i got the feeling that I wasn't even allowed to touch them anymore.
men in childcare aren't just discriminated against, in some cases they are falsely accused of molestation which at best turns into an investigation that literally never gets closed and at worst can ruin their entire life. I babysat for neighbourhood kids from when I was 11 to 16, but after that I just couldn't do it anymore. I got paranoid about it, like everyone thought I was some dirty lech.
not cool at all.
I don't get all the +5 posts saying we'd have soldiers shooting themselves in the face and flying planes into the ground for kicks, the only people I can see doing this are the ones whom are predisposed to suicide and have now lost their fear of death. that doesn't mean every tom-dick-and-harry is going to start signing up for suicide missions.
I'm sure there are many situations where comrades are killed because someone choked when they should be firing, or firing randomly because they're so afraid they can't aim properly. as long as this "enhancement" didn't affect the logical thinking of the person, I'm sure this would be beneficial to soldiers: help them keep their heads clear when in high stress situations..
Disclaimer: I am a smoker. while even before i started i was never bothered by the smell, car exhaust bothers me quite a bit. And if you want to experience smelly, try living in Iowa hog-farming country. I personally don't think there's anything worse, and some of the people I've met had the indelible smell of shit right to the bone..
Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile- addresses??
ya done took the wind outta my sails, dammit. i had a good thing goin'.
I find that I quite like Dells...they keep me imployed :)
JOsh
i'm downloading via BT right now. Started off at 266kbps, now it's bouncing between 180 and 210...it was link number two under the "watch this show" button...
basically, all the desktops that aren't running apps that will be hard to replace with linux implimentations will get the full switch, while the others will get OOo first (probably along with FireFox and other assorted goodies) and linux later, after they've ironed out the bugs WRT the full transition.
makes sense from a technological aspect. they want to insure that they will cause a minimal amount of disruption to normal work flow (hey, it's a government office we're talking about here. anything that disrupts the little work they actually get done is a Bad Thing(TM))..
this whole concept of "but how are we going to show the kids who's boss if we can't hit them" dross makes me sick. My father got the crap kicked out of him by his father every weekend (my grandfather traveled during the week). my father didn't respect his father at all...
what we need is not artificial "respect" garnered from fear of retribution, what we need is parents who understand honor. how much of a man does it take to hit someone weaker? how much of a man does it take to have patience and show the other person a better way?
i don't swear otfen. not because my parents forbade me from swearing, which they didn't, but because they told me constantly that I sounded like a fool when i did. ever watch the play Cyrano de Bergerac? some guy makes a crack at how big cyrano's nose is, and cyrano rips him a new one. not by cursing and saying he'll kick the dood's a$$, but by making him look the fool by using words he can't understand. my parents took me to see that play, and told me that if i felt like swearing, think about that scene and figure ou a better way of saying it.
in short, you don't have to have a totalitarian control over your children in order to teach them. you just have to teach them in a way that they understand.
Fear breeds nothing but hatred.
(my parents were in no way perfect, but they did do somethings right, and i plan on emulating those things and improving the others when it's my turn...)
having a laptop in class never really helped me. sure, i could type up notes, but i don't take many to begin with anyhow. i found that in the majority of my classes, i ended up using pen and paper anyway, as a math/cs major. diagrams, flow charts and little visiual queues greatly out numbered raw code that was generated in my classes.
now, the one technological advance that would benefit EVERY STUDENT, 100%, no matter their computer literacy, typing speed, course load or distraction threshold, is a simple, affordable ebook reader. make the viewable screen 8x10 or 11, use e-paper so it can run for months on a set of watch batteries and pad the living shit out of it so it'll be more durable. distribute recquired school texts as PDF on CF cards and you've just solved one of the biggest problems in american schools: students who have to lug 50lbs of text with them throughout the day because they don't have time between periods to stop off at dormrooms/lockers for the next round.
this is where the inovation should be. add a simple input interface and you could have information cross referenced between documents and suppliments. figure out how to make ultra-low energy draw wifi cards and you could link them to a national database for easy inquiries on specific topics. hell, you could have two models, the Standard that displayed and cross-referenced the info on the CF card, and the deluxe that allowed the user to "take notes" and link it to a specific page of a text (to accommodate those of us who like to write in the margins). if you had one of these designed like a portfolio with one screen on either side of the fold you could make one side the "book" side and the other the "note" side..
we're really missing the boat on this one, folks. students in general don't need full fledged laptops. all they need is an easy and convenient way to read and reference text.
in this scenario, they students who would truly benefit from laptops could still have one. but i'm willing to bet that the percentage of stuents nowadays who could really use a laptop to broaden their education to be around 5-7%, no greater than 15%. the rest would either use it in the fashion i describe for the e-book or use it to dick around in class while the teacher isn't looking..
the problem is doubly bad now that I'm doing service repairs in store. it's really aggrevating to find that you can't get to the top five google-links for a specific hardware/software problem because they're all blocked by WebSense.
compound this with the fact that on the sales floor all of the keosks with web access are right out in the open where any manager could easily see what you're doing while walking by, and that the only secluded terminals in the store are behind the techbench (where unfettered access is really needed) and the problem becomes even more rediculous...
got a little layout for my dream machine in the above link, let me know what you think, people!
MY first computer was a Mac IIse, nya...
I was sure a good part of my experience was skewed because i was taking CS at a community college and not at University, but feedback from friends at Uni indicated that, although having more classes to choose from, they felt similarly.
I finished my AS reqs for CompSci and am taking a break before going back. The more I think about it, the less i really want to finish a BS with it as a major.
I asked a bunch of my friends what they wanted to do with a CS degree and the overwhelming response was programming, with a few really just wanting to work on/repair computers or be sysadmins.
CS as it stands now really only appeals to me as a minor. Everything I can think of doing after college would be better with a different major. You want to design MPs? take EE w/ CS minor. Encryption/AI? that'd be math w/ CS. hell, any of the sciences would be better off if taken with CompSci as a minor.
I'll still be taking CS courses when I go back, because i love it. it just seems to me that, unlike most majors, CompSci doesn't have a clear association with any given industry, it's either a catch all (like lib arts for computers) or a misorganised Programming certificate..
just my 2 cents as a CS student who won't be returning for the BS..