Don't talk in exclusive terms. There may be good reasons why some of your administrators still need MS Office for example. OOo can INTEROPERATE and fit in with your organization. It doesn't have to be all or nothing and shouldn't be presented as such.
Above all else - BE HONEST. Let them know what shortcomings exist with OOo and how to address them. I wouldn't try some stunt like fooling them into believing it was MS Office (PHB's HATE that sort of display because it makes them feel foolish); however I *would* compare them side by side in something like 'Impress' and then conclude the slideshow by saying that it was prepared using OOo.
Here's some more things you can do:
1) Demo it by giving it away to those who are making decisions as well as to the teachers. Before OOo 2.0 I would have said not to because of installation hassles, but even the 2.0 beta makes this a thing of the past. Be prepared to answer questions on usage and comparisons to MS Office. I would recommend using 2.0 beta since it's release is imminent and it is far more polished.
If you can wait, I'd wait until The OpenCD w/2.0 OOo is finished before handing them out, but if you can't, then by all means give them the beta anyway.
2).DOC is NOT a standard! Prove it to them with examples. Not every student at home has office - some have Works and thanks to Dell, some have NEW versions of Wordperfect (go figure). Standardizing on OOo (or StarOffice for support in-school) is a way of circumventing this without stepping on a lot of toes. In fact, OOo now imports WP/.DOC as well as exports in Flash,.DOC, and.PDF (a real standard). Compare this to MS Office and OOo becomes more compelling.
3) International concerns? Some private schools wrestle with the fact that Word 2000 in Asia and elsewhere, does not produce the same.DOC as the U.S. OOo revels in it's worldwide usability.
4) Prove compatibility with existing MS.DOC documents. Use examples from your school and be truthful with them. If something breaks, be honest about it. To this end, do use 2.0 because it now supports tables in tables (required for decent.DOC compatibility). HINT: 2.0 hasn't broken a single.DOC here yet! Yay!
5) Use the past to point to the future. Point out that there was a time back in the 'elden days' of computing where.DOC was in the minority. Use your own school's history if you can. Example: Before we standardized on OOo we had Word: XP/2000/97/95/DOS, Wordperfect Win/DOS, XYwrite, Notepad, Edit (yes, I'm serious), and a few others I can't remember. All this in only the last 10 years!
Remember this mantra:.DOC is not a standard. It varies between versions and changes at MS's whim. Some administrators may remember a row with Office '95 - a truly horrible version for those who are in the least concerned about compatibility.
Mayhap some of your administrator's remember a conversion process long ago with Wordperfect or some other format. Remind them that this process would not exist for OOo for two reasons:
a) Import of.DOC is damn good now. b) Export of pure XML data is assured with OOo.
And finally, mention that it's FREE. Better still, preface this with the fact that StarOffice's terms for schools are outragiously good. Tell them that in standardizing to OOo, your teachers, administrators, students, parents, whoever wnats a copy from the library (you DO have some in there, right?), can have it free of charge. Remember: 'Free' should be the LAST thing you mention, not the first.
Let them know how the world is changing. Show them examples of who and where OOo is already being used full time. Convince them that they could grasp the brass ring before most others have. After all, isn't embracing new technology and learning new things what education is about?
Again, be honest about what OOo can do for you, and how it will improve compatibility and document longevity. You can win this battle (I did at Linden Hall School), but you have to 'sell it' for the right reasons and be prepared to help in the transition.
Adobe should get on the horn with Nikon's legal dept. and inform them that there will be a sticker on Adobe's packages and full disclosure on their website about Nikon support.
Truly no issue here. Let Nikon make their own Photoshop if they want, but I think this is going to be 'case closed'.
It's a fallacy to assume that Word can open.DOC files perfectly. It doesn't. Do you have any idea how many.DOC formats have been created over the years? There are rules governing what versions will open which version.DOC and when you're given a random floppy to open with a random version of Word - cross your fingers. Then there's the international incompatibilities... And don't get me started on Works!
I wish a mainstream reporter would investigate this so that businesses can understand that.DOC isn't 'all that'. OASIS is a MUCH more open and stable format, and will be for years to come.
Why? Well, I have a bunch of machines here that use the KM 266 Via Chipset and support is scarce. Even proper 2D support is rare (I've only seen it in Fedora 3 and SUSE). Other than that, most other distros will either report 24 bit color (it's 32), or force you to use the generic VGA driver (which is SLOWwww).
And 3D support? Non-existant. Not that the 3D is spectacular on the KM series anyway, but it's certainly passable for screen savers, programs like Celestia, and other non-'Doom 3' purposs.
And it's not as though the KM 266 isn't capable of better. Under Windows it performs just great for what most of my users want - just not under Linux.
The few months after I got my cable modem (all 500K of it), I was totally addicted. Having come from a POTS 1200 baud background on the old Atari 800, this was quite a huge difference.
Soon after, I had a shitload of useless things running in the taskbar (big clock, weather indicator (like I can't look outside once in a while), dl/ul speed indicators, FTP/IRC/etc. - all sorts of crap. All of it designed to give me more information, most of it useless.
And yet...
I couldn't...
Pull...
Away!
At one point I called off work for a week. Then came the girlfriend breakup that I kinda ignored. After a while reality set in and I started to pull back a bit. I'm glad I did - I've known some who didn't in time. One guy I knew back in the early 90's started selling drugs to support his computer habit. None of us geeks even knew he was doing it until he called us from prison. He got 6 years of 'no computer'.
Always wondered how he seemed to be dialed into AOL all the time (before flat rates were in effect)...
OH man that brought back a bad memory from my yoot.
A buddy of mine showed me how to use an anti-static record cleaner on the coin mech. The spark jumping across would often fool the machine in question (at that time usually a pinball machine) into giving you a credit.
Well one fine day I decide to try it on a vintage Stratovox ("Help me!" "Very good!") down at the local Circle K. So I reach in my jacket and pull out this gun-shaped thing, aim it at the mech, and pull the trigger.
BLAM! BEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeP! Then.. Nothing. The screen went totally dead. I felt horrible (I KILLED a video game!) My guess is that poor old Stratovox used some sensitive RAM and I totally blew it away. The next day they put in a 'Nibbler' machine, but of course I'd had enough of the anti-static free game method to actually pay to play it.
...was Windows 95 client support. It sucked so bad that most corps gave up trying to use Novell's client and went with MS' instead.
The biggest issues with the MS client were:
- No NLM support at all. Sure, you could use Novell as a fancy file directory, but no apps for you...
- Password synchronization issues. For too long this was a real problem. We won't even go into the myriad integration issues with NT's domain system.
So if you were a shop using Novell AND using MS' 95 client, you really weren't able to use the full power of Novell because you were still chained by MS. And MS offered lots of migration options to get you to 'join the Dark Side'. It was simply too easy to switch to an NT-based Domain back then and a lot of shops did it just to avoid the BS.
Novell should've been a lot more careful with their initial releases of their client - but I wonder if they were at fault there. Maybe MS didn't provide enough resources to them? Anyone out there know the truth?
I once had a customer (back in my small computer business days) who had bought a brand new, top of the line 486 Acer laptop. It came complete with a cool-ass trackball and COLOR screen!
Anyway, after a few days, the trackball started sticking on the guy and he called us. We cleaned it, but it would still stick - and he was starting to get pissed. We called Acer and got the usual tech runaround where they insisted they would get back to us. The customer finally called them and they told him the same thing - they never did.
So one fine morning at breakfast, the guy sits down with his laptop and cup of coffee in the kitchen and the trackball sticks on him again. Not just a little glitch either, I mean the pointer simply isn't moving. With one sweep of his hand, the coffee cup goes flying and smashes to small pieces on the floor. His wife looks the mess with disgust and says, "Why don't you take out your aggression on your computer instead?"
And the guys yells, "Yeah? Well, I think I will!" And slams the laptop to the ground and starts JUMPING UP AND DOWN ON IT!
Sheepishly, the guy comes back to us with the laptop in many pieces and tells us this story (and we had to try not to laugh about it). We called Acer, and finally got through to the president of the company and explained what happened. Believe it or not, Acer profusely appologised and sent us a brand new model (sans trackball of course)!
Here's why: The revenue is going to states like NY instead of where the employee is using the resources. Even if every state did this, it still wouldn't be fair to states that do not have a lot of oursourcing.
This is clearly designed to let NY gather other state's tax bases without doing shit. They had better prepare for massive state-to-state lawsuits.
Let's not expect Microsoft to fix anything and let OSS fill that gap. To me, this is the kind of thing that OOo (or Amiword or Kwrite) could benefit from. So far, most open source office packages have been playing 'catch up' with MS. However, this is changing.
Before you laugh, take a look at the bibliography project for OpenOffice.org - here:
http://bibliographic.openoffice.org/#mission
Imagine: Selecting from whatever standard the teacher or prof expects and then auto-filling in the information through available Marc records from the Internet!
When this gets completed, it will help standardize and simplify the bibilographic process here at our school. MS Office doesn't have this built-in, but OOo will. Chalk one up for OOo!
If academia wants change, they should be encouraged to work with more open source projects. For one thing, they'd be heard more directly and for another, they would probably be able to be directly involved with the process - something MS loathes to do.
First of all, look at it this way, Wouldn't you say that controllers have come a long way since the Atari 2600's? Do you remember the old digital vs. analog controller debates? Ok, maybe you don't, but I do because I'm that old!:)
What's innovative about controllers is that over time they have evolved - a LOT. The 'rumble' feature - as used by Sony - was in fact originally developed by Immersion for Nintendo. Had Sony developed it, whould you have minded if THEY sued the pants off of everyone?
And no offense, but I wouldn't go so far as to claim that liberalism is all about the freedom to express and implement ideas. Take a look at how the Left *freaks out* about Fox News and/or talk radio as an counter-example. It seems new ideas are fine as long as they aren't from Conservatives...
"Yarro, who will remain on SCO board, according to SCO CEO Darl McBride, was replaced at Canopy by Bill Mustard. Mustard was believed to be taking his instructions from Ms. Kreidel."
Ah HA! It was Mr. Mustard at Canopy with the Revolver!
Being a network administrator at a small private girls' school, I know all about this issue. Network bandwidth is not finite and we need to prioritize traffic - sometimes this means eliminating things like PtoP or even Skype.
It's especially hard when the best connection you can get is a 3Mit/768K ADSL line. Saturate that upload speed and we're smacked down to 768/768. Bummer.
The girls have a hard time understanding why it can't be like it is at home. Unfortunately some of their home connections make our one shared connection look pathetic - but here in the backwoods of PA our only other option is a T3 - not gonna happen.
And that should answer your question. To paraphrase Bogart in Casablanca, 'The problems of a few small geeks and personal freedom advocates don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.'
Most people when educated will care - but not many will take that time. This issue to too difficult to fit in a 10 second sound bite and so gets lost in all the noise.
The real question is - will they know who to blame the first time they need to move files off of their old machine or share them with friends? THAT, is something we should be ready to 'clue them in' on.
"Game creators cannot rely on better graphics and more powerful games machines to attract new audiences..."
Yeah, sure. So why update the Gameboy at all? Why bother upping the graphics to 'Gamecube' possibilities? Because Mr. Iwata, you know that eye candy DOES attract the very audience you seek. No matter how much you talk about interesting and unique games (which I'm all for), the reality is that games like NHL 200X, or FPS Shooter version 37 still SELL.
All I can say is, it's not stopped Nintendo from pushing yet ANOTHER version of Mario whenever they release a new system. Not that there's anything wrong with any of this. I think the portable Gamecube is a terrific idea for them since attracting developers is hard enough without making them recode everything.
Colorado's legislature is not permitted to spend more than it earns - except in times of emergency. It still doesn't keep them from running a deficit, but when the bad times hit after the dot com bubble - they were more fortunate than states like Kalifornia.
Why? Because OOo has direct Wordperfect importing now. Between this, basic Flash and PDF support, you have a real winner. Who says you can't have both? I can see this being installed alongside both Office and WP installs just for the conversion tools if nothing else and that can only be a good thing.
I of course only use OOo 2.0 Beta. What's good for the rest of the school here is good enough for me.
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Don't talk in exclusive terms. There may be good reasons why some of your administrators still need MS Office for example. OOo can INTEROPERATE and fit in with your organization. It doesn't have to be all or nothing and shouldn't be presented as such.
Above all else - BE HONEST. Let them know what shortcomings exist with OOo and how to address them. I wouldn't try some stunt like fooling them into believing it was MS Office (PHB's HATE that sort of display because it makes them feel foolish); however I *would* compare them side by side in something like 'Impress' and then conclude the slideshow by saying that it was prepared using OOo.
.DOC is NOT a standard! Prove it to them with examples. Not every student at home has office - some have Works and thanks to Dell, some have NEW versions of Wordperfect (go figure). Standardizing on OOo (or StarOffice for support in-school) is a way of circumventing this without stepping on a lot of toes. In fact, OOo now imports WP/.DOC as well as exports in Flash, .DOC, and .PDF (a real standard). Compare this to MS Office and OOo becomes more compelling.
.DOC as the U.S. OOo revels in it's worldwide usability.
.DOC documents. Use examples from your school and be truthful with them. If something breaks, be honest about it. To this end, do use 2.0 because it now supports tables in tables (required for decent .DOC compatibility). HINT: 2.0 hasn't broken a single .DOC here yet! Yay!
.DOC was in the minority. Use your own school's history if you can. Example: Before we standardized on OOo we had Word: XP/2000/97/95/DOS, Wordperfect Win/DOS, XYwrite, Notepad, Edit (yes, I'm serious), and a few others I can't remember. All this in only the last 10 years!
.DOC is not a standard. It varies between versions and changes at MS's whim. Some administrators may remember a row with Office '95 - a truly horrible version for those who are in the least concerned about compatibility.
.DOC is damn good now.
Here's some more things you can do:
1) Demo it by giving it away to those who are making decisions as well as to the teachers. Before OOo 2.0 I would have said not to because of installation hassles, but even the 2.0 beta makes this a thing of the past. Be prepared to answer questions on usage and comparisons to MS Office. I would recommend using 2.0 beta since it's release is imminent and it is far more polished.
If you can wait, I'd wait until The OpenCD w/2.0 OOo is finished before handing them out, but if you can't, then by all means give them the beta anyway.
2)
3) International concerns? Some private schools wrestle with the fact that Word 2000 in Asia and elsewhere, does not produce the same
4) Prove compatibility with existing MS
5) Use the past to point to the future. Point out that there was a time back in the 'elden days' of computing where
Remember this mantra:
Mayhap some of your administrator's remember a conversion process long ago with Wordperfect or some other format. Remind them that this process would not exist for OOo for two reasons:
a) Import of
b) Export of pure XML data is assured with OOo.
And finally, mention that it's FREE. Better still, preface this with the fact that StarOffice's terms for schools are outragiously good. Tell them that in standardizing to OOo, your teachers, administrators, students, parents, whoever wnats a copy from the library (you DO have some in there, right?), can have it free of charge. Remember: 'Free' should be the LAST thing you mention, not the first.
Let them know how the world is changing. Show them examples of who and where OOo is already being used full time. Convince them that they could grasp the brass ring before most others have. After all, isn't embracing new technology and learning new things what education is about?
Again, be honest about what OOo can do for you, and how it will improve compatibility and document longevity. You can win this battle (I did at Linden Hall School), but you have to 'sell it' for the right reasons and be prepared to help in the transition.
Good luck!
The upcoming OOo 2.0/StarOffice 8 and KOffice so far...
Adobe should get on the horn with Nikon's legal dept. and inform them that there will be a sticker on Adobe's packages and full disclosure on their website about Nikon support.
Truly no issue here. Let Nikon make their own Photoshop if they want, but I think this is going to be 'case closed'.
It's a fallacy to assume that Word can open .DOC files perfectly. It doesn't. Do you have any idea how many .DOC formats have been created over the years? There are rules governing what versions will open which version .DOC and when you're given a random floppy to open with a random version of Word - cross your fingers. Then there's the international incompatibilities... And don't get me started on Works!
.DOC isn't 'all that'. OASIS is a MUCH more open and stable format, and will be for years to come.
I wish a mainstream reporter would investigate this so that businesses can understand that
Whoops! I didn't realize I wrote "IV"... I, as a self-proclaimed geek, am ashamed! :O
"Linux Can't Kill Windows..."
Perhaps Linux no longer needs to try...
"Khaaaaaaaannnnn!"
Why? Well, I have a bunch of machines here that use the KM 266 Via Chipset and support is scarce. Even proper 2D support is rare (I've only seen it in Fedora 3 and SUSE). Other than that, most other distros will either report 24 bit color (it's 32), or force you to use the generic VGA driver (which is SLOWwww).
And 3D support? Non-existant. Not that the 3D is spectacular on the KM series anyway, but it's certainly passable for screen savers, programs like Celestia, and other non-'Doom 3' purposs.
And it's not as though the KM 266 isn't capable of better. Under Windows it performs just great for what most of my users want - just not under Linux.
Thank you VIA, it will only help you...
The few months after I got my cable modem (all 500K of it), I was totally addicted. Having come from a POTS 1200 baud background on the old Atari 800, this was quite a huge difference.
Soon after, I had a shitload of useless things running in the taskbar (big clock, weather indicator (like I can't look outside once in a while), dl/ul speed indicators, FTP/IRC/etc. - all sorts of crap. All of it designed to give me more information, most of it useless.
And yet...
I couldn't...
Pull...
Away!
At one point I called off work for a week. Then came the girlfriend breakup that I kinda ignored. After a while reality set in and I started to pull back a bit. I'm glad I did - I've known some who didn't in time. One guy I knew back in the early 90's started selling drugs to support his computer habit. None of us geeks even knew he was doing it until he called us from prison. He got 6 years of 'no computer'.
Always wondered how he seemed to be dialed into AOL all the time (before flat rates were in effect)...
OH man that brought back a bad memory from my yoot.
A buddy of mine showed me how to use an anti-static record cleaner on the coin mech. The spark jumping across would often fool the machine in question (at that time usually a pinball machine) into giving you a credit.
Well one fine day I decide to try it on a vintage Stratovox ("Help me!" "Very good!") down at the local Circle K. So I reach in my jacket and pull out this gun-shaped thing, aim it at the mech, and pull the trigger.
BLAM! BEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeP! Then.. Nothing. The screen went totally dead. I felt horrible (I KILLED a video game!) My guess is that poor old Stratovox used some sensitive RAM and I totally blew it away. The next day they put in a 'Nibbler' machine, but of course I'd had enough of the anti-static free game method to actually pay to play it.
...was Windows 95 client support. It sucked so bad that most corps gave up trying to use Novell's client and went with MS' instead.
The biggest issues with the MS client were:
- No NLM support at all. Sure, you could use Novell as a fancy file directory, but no apps for you...
- Password synchronization issues. For too long this was a real problem. We won't even go into the myriad integration issues with NT's domain system.
So if you were a shop using Novell AND using MS' 95 client, you really weren't able to use the full power of Novell because you were still chained by MS. And MS offered lots of migration options to get you to 'join the Dark Side'. It was simply too easy to switch to an NT-based Domain back then and a lot of shops did it just to avoid the BS.
Novell should've been a lot more careful with their initial releases of their client - but I wonder if they were at fault there. Maybe MS didn't provide enough resources to them? Anyone out there know the truth?
I once had a customer (back in my small computer business days) who had bought a brand new, top of the line 486 Acer laptop. It came complete with a cool-ass trackball and COLOR screen!
Anyway, after a few days, the trackball started sticking on the guy and he called us. We cleaned it, but it would still stick - and he was starting to get pissed. We called Acer and got the usual tech runaround where they insisted they would get back to us. The customer finally called them and they told him the same thing - they never did.
So one fine morning at breakfast, the guy sits down with his laptop and cup of coffee in the kitchen and the trackball sticks on him again. Not just a little glitch either, I mean the pointer simply isn't moving. With one sweep of his hand, the coffee cup goes flying and smashes to small pieces on the floor. His wife looks the mess with disgust and says, "Why don't you take out your aggression on your computer instead?"
And the guys yells, "Yeah? Well, I think I will!" And slams the laptop to the ground and starts JUMPING UP AND DOWN ON IT!
Sheepishly, the guy comes back to us with the laptop in many pieces and tells us this story (and we had to try not to laugh about it). We called Acer, and finally got through to the president of the company and explained what happened. Believe it or not, Acer profusely appologised and sent us a brand new model (sans trackball of course)!
Steve Jobs main issue with a video iPod was the battery life. Doesn't appear that this will be a problem soon...
Here's why: The revenue is going to states like NY instead of where the employee is using the resources. Even if every state did this, it still wouldn't be fair to states that do not have a lot of oursourcing.
This is clearly designed to let NY gather other state's tax bases without doing shit. They had better prepare for massive state-to-state lawsuits.
...isn't it? Remember how KDE was slammed for their non-free license and what that led to?
No, Stallman won't be happy with OOo - not at all, but at least the vast majority of OSS users will get something out of it.
BTW, OOo 2.0 rocks - just thought I should share.
I assume you used OOo to post (no grammar checker)... :)
Let's not expect Microsoft to fix anything and let OSS fill that gap. To me, this is the kind of thing that OOo (or Amiword or Kwrite) could benefit from. So far, most open source office packages have been playing 'catch up' with MS. However, this is changing.
Before you laugh, take a look at the bibliography project for OpenOffice.org - here:
http://bibliographic.openoffice.org/#mission
Imagine: Selecting from whatever standard the teacher or prof expects and then auto-filling in the information through available Marc records from the Internet!
When this gets completed, it will help standardize and simplify the bibilographic process here at our school. MS Office doesn't have this built-in, but OOo will. Chalk one up for OOo!
If academia wants change, they should be encouraged to work with more open source projects. For one thing, they'd be heard more directly and for another, they would probably be able to be directly involved with the process - something MS loathes to do.
First of all, look at it this way, Wouldn't you say that controllers have come a long way since the Atari 2600's? Do you remember the old digital vs. analog controller debates? Ok, maybe you don't, but I do because I'm that old! :)
What's innovative about controllers is that over time they have evolved - a LOT. The 'rumble' feature - as used by Sony - was in fact originally developed by Immersion for Nintendo. Had Sony developed it, whould you have minded if THEY sued the pants off of everyone?
And no offense, but I wouldn't go so far as to claim that liberalism is all about the freedom to express and implement ideas. Take a look at how the Left *freaks out* about Fox News and/or talk radio as an counter-example. It seems new ideas are fine as long as they aren't from Conservatives...
"Yarro, who will remain on SCO board, according to SCO CEO Darl McBride, was replaced at Canopy by Bill Mustard. Mustard was believed to be taking his instructions from Ms. Kreidel."
Ah HA! It was Mr. Mustard at Canopy with the Revolver!
Being a network administrator at a small private girls' school, I know all about this issue. Network bandwidth is not finite and we need to prioritize traffic - sometimes this means eliminating things like PtoP or even Skype.
It's especially hard when the best connection you can get is a 3Mit/768K ADSL line. Saturate that upload speed and we're smacked down to 768/768. Bummer.
The girls have a hard time understanding why it can't be like it is at home. Unfortunately some of their home connections make our one shared connection look pathetic - but here in the backwoods of PA our only other option is a T3 - not gonna happen.
Use OpenOffice's 'save to PDF' function.
I do.
...I would say, "What's DRM?"
And that should answer your question. To paraphrase Bogart in Casablanca, 'The problems of a few small geeks and personal freedom advocates don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.'
Most people when educated will care - but not many will take that time. This issue to too difficult to fit in a 10 second sound bite and so gets lost in all the noise.
The real question is - will they know who to blame the first time they need to move files off of their old machine or share them with friends? THAT, is something we should be ready to 'clue them in' on.
"Game creators cannot rely on better graphics and more powerful games machines to attract new audiences..."
Yeah, sure. So why update the Gameboy at all? Why bother upping the graphics to 'Gamecube' possibilities? Because Mr. Iwata, you know that eye candy DOES attract the very audience you seek. No matter how much you talk about interesting and unique games (which I'm all for), the reality is that games like NHL 200X, or FPS Shooter version 37 still SELL.
All I can say is, it's not stopped Nintendo from pushing yet ANOTHER version of Mario whenever they release a new system. Not that there's anything wrong with any of this. I think the portable Gamecube is a terrific idea for them since attracting developers is hard enough without making them recode everything.
Colorado's legislature is not permitted to spend more than it earns - except in times of emergency. It still doesn't keep them from running a deficit, but when the bad times hit after the dot com bubble - they were more fortunate than states like Kalifornia.
Why? Because OOo has direct Wordperfect importing now. Between this, basic Flash and PDF support, you have a real winner. Who says you can't have both? I can see this being installed alongside both Office and WP installs just for the conversion tools if nothing else and that can only be a good thing.
I of course only use OOo 2.0 Beta. What's good for the rest of the school here is good enough for me.