NICE troll. I also love how it's moderated "insightful." People are so fucking stupid sometimes.
Let's get cameras put in our houses too. I mean, if you're not doing anything wrong, then who cares? Your life is normal and boring, the FBI won't care about you! So it's all ok! Don't worry your pretty little head about it.
Sure they do. If no one cared what random idiots on/. thought, there wouldn't be hundreds of posts for each story, and thousands of people reading them.
From what the article says, it has a few 64-bit-ish hacks to let 32bit apps take advantage of some 64-features, is that what you mean by "support?" A little more explanation would be nice.
You mean they didn't rewrite the entire operating system from the ground up? And that it will run on older, 32-bit, Macs? I am shocked!
All of the BSDs and Linux support 64-bit, and as far as I know, they weren't rewritten "from the ground up." They are all also compatible with both 32- and 64-bit machines, so I don't see legacy hardware compatability being a huge problem.
Based on what I've read about the Berne Convention, you essentially HAVE to license anything you release, otherwise you risk getting stuck with liability. The BSD license is about as free as it gets, next to public domain, which is bad for the reasons described above.
Agreed. I am no debian zealot, but I strongly believe that volunteer-driven OS's are a better idea. Motives aren't under question (well, at least to a lesser extent), and the bottom line doesn't interfere with things.
Actually, I agree with you. I am not a big fan of capitalism, but here I am, and there's not much I can do about it, so I deal with it. Commerce is not going away, and I try to be realistic and somewhat pragmatic about it. On one hand, I agree with you, and I think that capitalism rewards greed and other generally bad behavior. Look at the guys at the top, they are fucking lunatic freaks. BUT they make the money. That's bad. Now on the other hand, I realize that I am living in america in 2003, and things are not going to change because I want them to. Therefore, I tend to be a little apathetic about it sometimes. My comment about commercial products not necessarily being evil was more in context of GPL vs. BSD, basically. I think it's bad to restrict things in the way that the GPL does, because even though it keeps it "in the community", it does a lot of other stupid things, and generally goes against my concept of freedom. I like FREE free, not "it's free....with a catch" free. You can never predict what might happen in the future, and I don't like how the GPL locks software into a certain legal situation. I think it's good that I'm able to take some piece of (BSD or other free license) software, totally mess around with it and create some odd mutation of it, and then throw it on a computer that I sell to someone, without some bogus requirement of giving them the source code too. Of course that's a totally contrived scenario, but whatever. I'm often really bad at putting my thoughts into words.
Yeah, but the sad thing is, SCO was being funny, while the linux dorks were just made asses of. _I_ think it's funny, YOU think it's funny, but if I were them, I would be pissed.
Yeah, great, but isn't humor inappropriate here? Why are the linux dorks being buddy buddy with their arms around the SCO CEO? They have signs that say "Linux feeds my family", so how can it be a joking matter for them? If someone did something to cause you to lose your livelihood, would you joke around and be buddy buddy with them? Just a thought.
Note that I'm not a linux dork being defensive, I think it's pretty pointless to go out there and protest, I just like to point out possible hypocrisy when I see it.
Question for ya -- a lot of people, yourself included, have mentioned that they were diagnosed in college. It seems like an odd time to be diagnosed, to me -- how/why did you stumble upon it in college, of all places?
I have to admit, scripting like that would also be a nice way to extend things. Will these be compile-time options, so if I just want support for Python, I can compile it with support for that and not the rest?
Yeah, the way it seems to be headed is that you will need to compile in support for at least one language, but you could, if you want, do your main config in perl, your actions in python, something else in scheme, etc. Exactly how we want to organize scripts is still a bit fuzzy. Probably have "official" scripts that are distributed and recommended for use, then contrib/ for misc. other scripts. The only downside I can see at this point is that if you only want python support, and no one has written xyz support in python, then you would have to do it yourself, or cave in and also compile in abc language support. That is a ways off though right now, so we will have plenty of time to figure it out.
In any case, hopefully he will re-emerge, and if not, kudos to you and the rest of the team for a brave attempt.
Yeah, I hope he re-emerges just because the whole situation is so damn mysterious right now. It would be interesting to find out why he disappeared for so long, what he's been doing, etc. Thanks for the kind words, we are at around 90% activity percentile on sourceforge, I think the most important thing is keeping that number high, the enemy of open source projects is stagnation...
This was definitely one of the reasons that it took so long to get going; we were worried that we'd start up and then David would *poof* reappear with all of this great stuff that made what we were doing irrelevant. But after a while, it gets to a point where it becomes obvious that he can't possibly be determined to be "available", and even if he did come back, he's too reclusive to look towards as a leader of a project or community or whatever.
Also, right now, our main goals are cleaning up the code (and there are a few very smart people doing this, so I'm confident that it will be very well done), and integrating scripting into the window manager (which is really the main goal). No other window manager has been scriptable by all popular languages, and we really have high hopes for it. It will essentially be similar to sawfish, except it won't exclude non-lispers. Python, Ruby, Perl, TCL, etc.
So, we're really not worried about duplicating that portion, and if David does resurface and make some improvements to Waimea that we like, we will probably merge them, although, if that's too far in the future, the two wm's will likely be fairly different by then.
I think that perhaps I came off the wrong way, I am not at all ungrateful for the work he has done, in fact, I can think of one person who _does_ feel that way, and I usually end up telling him to shut up (he loves to whine), free software is just that, you can't demand or expect anything.
The core of my problem is that the author seems to be unable to convey what his intentions for the project are, he gives a mixed impresson. There is CVS, which implies that there is development by multiple people, yet it simply seems to be an extra place to put files, or something. He develops on his own, and then sticks it in CVS in one huge commit, when it's done. He has gone for 6 months now, with no activity - yet in those 6 months, some people have reported that they have talked to him, and that he is doing alot of work on waimea. Now, it seems a bit rude to not keep people updated on this stuff. We have a wiki going, with a handful of patches that people have done. Now, if he releases a new version which makes these patches irrelevant, doesn't that seem rude? Couldn't he just at least let people know what he's up to so they don't duplicate effort?
And as far as criticizing his code, I meant that with no disrespect. I don't really even know C++ so I can hardly go around looking down my nose at him.
To take me to my top middle viewport? Heh. (I get your point, but obviously I'm not talking about EvilWM here, titlebars are hardly the only reason I don't use it)
I would mod you up if I could! I love irssi as an irc client, and have always wanted to get rid of gaim (I hate gui programs for the most part), but didn't really like text aim clients. Bitlbee rocks though! Didn't even have to do any work to figure it out, it kinda holds your hand during the whole process of setting things up. Awesome!
You can right click anywhere. Right clicking requires no extra aiming over control-clicking, therefore control-clicking simply introduces more work. Alt-dragging allows you to aim at a gargantuan target (one that potentially takes up your whole screen, but at the very least, is almost always much, much larger than a 15 pixel titlebar), and reduces mouse hunting-and-pecking.
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NICE troll. I also love how it's moderated "insightful." People are so fucking stupid sometimes.
Let's get cameras put in our houses too. I mean, if you're not doing anything wrong, then who cares? Your life is normal and boring, the FBI won't care about you! So it's all ok! Don't worry your pretty little head about it.
From what the article says, it has a few 64-bit-ish hacks to let 32bit apps take advantage of some 64-features, is that what you mean by "support?" A little more explanation would be nice.
All of the BSDs and Linux support 64-bit, and as far as I know, they weren't rewritten "from the ground up." They are all also compatible with both 32- and 64-bit machines, so I don't see legacy hardware compatability being a huge problem.
You don't even need to speak and write English "pretty well."
The "their" vs. "they're" vs. "there" thing is covered in elementary school isn't it?
Based on what I've read about the Berne Convention, you essentially HAVE to license anything you release, otherwise you risk getting stuck with liability. The BSD license is about as free as it gets, next to public domain, which is bad for the reasons described above.
Agreed. I am no debian zealot, but I strongly believe that volunteer-driven OS's are a better idea. Motives aren't under question (well, at least to a lesser extent), and the bottom line doesn't interfere with things.
Actually, I agree with you. I am not a big fan of capitalism, but here I am, and there's not much I can do about it, so I deal with it. Commerce is not going away, and I try to be realistic and somewhat pragmatic about it. On one hand, I agree with you, and I think that capitalism rewards greed and other generally bad behavior. Look at the guys at the top, they are fucking lunatic freaks. BUT they make the money. That's bad. Now on the other hand, I realize that I am living in america in 2003, and things are not going to change because I want them to. Therefore, I tend to be a little apathetic about it sometimes. My comment about commercial products not necessarily being evil was more in context of GPL vs. BSD, basically. I think it's bad to restrict things in the way that the GPL does, because even though it keeps it "in the community", it does a lot of other stupid things, and generally goes against my concept of freedom. I like FREE free, not "it's free....with a catch" free. You can never predict what might happen in the future, and I don't like how the GPL locks software into a certain legal situation. I think it's good that I'm able to take some piece of (BSD or other free license) software, totally mess around with it and create some odd mutation of it, and then throw it on a computer that I sell to someone, without some bogus requirement of giving them the source code too. Of course that's a totally contrived scenario, but whatever. I'm often really bad at putting my thoughts into words.
* AND * breaking the license. Using open source software within the terms of the given license is not looting. Commercial products != evil.
Why use PHP's ereg* functions when preg* functions are faster and more powerful?
Yeah, but the sad thing is, SCO was being funny, while the linux dorks were just made asses of. _I_ think it's funny, YOU think it's funny, but if I were them, I would be pissed.
Yeah, great, but isn't humor inappropriate here? Why are the linux dorks being buddy buddy with their arms around the SCO CEO? They have signs that say "Linux feeds my family", so how can it be a joking matter for them? If someone did something to cause you to lose your livelihood, would you joke around and be buddy buddy with them? Just a thought.
Note that I'm not a linux dork being defensive, I think it's pretty pointless to go out there and protest, I just like to point out possible hypocrisy when I see it.
Who is "we"? It's not the US, because in the US, you could just be hauled off under the patriot act.
Question for ya -- a lot of people, yourself included, have mentioned that they were diagnosed in college. It seems like an odd time to be diagnosed, to me -- how/why did you stumble upon it in college, of all places?
It looks like they really meant west, e.g. "does this mean that TV has had a negative effect on western culture as well?" or something like that.
You didn't lets us know about that head in your ass, he's gonna be pissed.
myrealbox.com.
I was going to mention the same thing, Pkgsrc has been available for this task for quite some time.
Why do people that criticize other people's grammar/spelling/whatever always fuck it up themselves?
I can't recall how many times I've seen people make fun of other's "grammer".
Yeah, the way it seems to be headed is that you will need to compile in support for at least one language, but you could, if you want, do your main config in perl, your actions in python, something else in scheme, etc. Exactly how we want to organize scripts is still a bit fuzzy. Probably have "official" scripts that are distributed and recommended for use, then contrib/ for misc. other scripts. The only downside I can see at this point is that if you only want python support, and no one has written xyz support in python, then you would have to do it yourself, or cave in and also compile in abc language support. That is a ways off though right now, so we will have plenty of time to figure it out.
Yeah, I hope he re-emerges just because the whole situation is so damn mysterious right now. It would be interesting to find out why he disappeared for so long, what he's been doing, etc. Thanks for the kind words, we are at around 90% activity percentile on sourceforge, I think the most important thing is keeping that number high, the enemy of open source projects is stagnation...
This was definitely one of the reasons that it took so long to get going; we were worried that we'd start up and then David would *poof* reappear with all of this great stuff that made what we were doing irrelevant. But after a while, it gets to a point where it becomes obvious that he can't possibly be determined to be "available", and even if he did come back, he's too reclusive to look towards as a leader of a project or community or whatever.
Also, right now, our main goals are cleaning up the code (and there are a few very smart people doing this, so I'm confident that it will be very well done), and integrating scripting into the window manager (which is really the main goal). No other window manager has been scriptable by all popular languages, and we really have high hopes for it. It will essentially be similar to sawfish, except it won't exclude non-lispers. Python, Ruby, Perl, TCL, etc.
So, we're really not worried about duplicating that portion, and if David does resurface and make some improvements to Waimea that we like, we will probably merge them, although, if that's too far in the future, the two wm's will likely be fairly different by then.
I think that perhaps I came off the wrong way, I am not at all ungrateful for the work he has done, in fact, I can think of one person who _does_ feel that way, and I usually end up telling him to shut up (he loves to whine), free software is just that, you can't demand or expect anything.
The core of my problem is that the author seems to be unable to convey what his intentions for the project are, he gives a mixed impresson. There is CVS, which implies that there is development by multiple people, yet it simply seems to be an extra place to put files, or something. He develops on his own, and then sticks it in CVS in one huge commit, when it's done. He has gone for 6 months now, with no activity - yet in those 6 months, some people have reported that they have talked to him, and that he is doing alot of work on waimea. Now, it seems a bit rude to not keep people updated on this stuff. We have a wiki going, with a handful of patches that people have done. Now, if he releases a new version which makes these patches irrelevant, doesn't that seem rude? Couldn't he just at least let people know what he's up to so they don't duplicate effort?
And as far as criticizing his code, I meant that with no disrespect. I don't really even know C++ so I can hardly go around looking down my nose at him.
To take me to my top middle viewport? Heh. (I get your point, but obviously I'm not talking about EvilWM here, titlebars are hardly the only reason I don't use it)
I would mod you up if I could! I love irssi as an irc client, and have always wanted to get rid of gaim (I hate gui programs for the most part), but didn't really like text aim clients. Bitlbee rocks though! Didn't even have to do any work to figure it out, it kinda holds your hand during the whole process of setting things up. Awesome!
You can right click anywhere. Right clicking requires no extra aiming over control-clicking, therefore control-clicking simply introduces more work. Alt-dragging allows you to aim at a gargantuan target (one that potentially takes up your whole screen, but at the very least, is almost always much, much larger than a 15 pixel titlebar), and reduces mouse hunting-and-pecking.
;)
Bad analogy, nice flamebait