Yes, most Chinese engineers cannot write and speak intelligible English. Just like the millions of white boys in the United States that use "then" to compare two things instead of "than". Likewise, the use of "alot" versus "a lot" and the pairs of "noone" and "no one".
But afterall, white is right, isn't it?
This attitude of thinking is purely unproductive at actually solving the core problem of helping people with English language deficiencies, or at least, the difficulties of Americans learning how to speak other languages to communicate with international business partners.
I agree that many Asian American immigrants in the United States may have many challenges from learning English as a second language, but I would be reluctant at saying that "Most do not know how to write in understandable English."
Plenty of American born Chinese as those born in other countries, and educated in Universities abroad, or at international schools, have had a chance to learn and utilize English better than large majority of the United States' own diverse population of "pure white folk".
Notwithstanding the root of animosity against Asian Americans by fellow commentators of this Slashdot post, there are others that have English language difficulties.
If anyone knows, there are plenty of European engineers that similarly have difficulties utilizing English in a 100% correct manner as well.
I find that the criticalness of the female engineer's email in the linked article stems not only from American's lack of patience at understanding, but also arrogance in the correctness of oneself in the English language.
I should know, from the same mindset and at the age of nine, I used berate my own mother's attempts at English before I learned to respect my mother for the effort she put forth to even come to America and the tragedies she had to withstand.
"He's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliche; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."
If this still isn't enough at convincing you that just simply stating in an ambiguous manner that Asians, in general, are inept. You ought to ask yourself one question, "How did they get these jobs and how are they keeping them?"
The answer is simple, Asian Americans even H-1B engineers are willing to work for less pay, work harder and do the job better as well as more efficiently. Why? because the world economy is cold, despite data saying that we're working our way out of a recession, that movement is quite slow and people still need to feed their kids. And it's not just the need for subsistence, it's the innate desire to change oneself and grasp what he, or she, believes is better for them and to move from a country where political and religious expressions is met with oppression and violence.
Face it, most Americans are lazy. Kids these day are lazy. Most teens, students, and college graduates aren't working too hard during their part time jobs. They all head straight home and leave work after their contractual job is over.
This work ethic translates to lazy workers that don't do what it takes to complete a project by a certain deadline.
Apparently, those who keep their jobs, do.
Hard working isn't defined by being there from 9-5 and doing as much work in the time allotted. But instead, it is about working past your goals into a new set of goals you never knew existed.
American Le Mans pit crews don't dillydally with cars that come in on a pitstop, they strive for excellence and shuffle them out as quickly as they came in. For that, they're a cut above the rest, can you truthfully say that you are? I know I can't.
Even Q was astonished by the level of advancement us "mere mortals" were capable of. And that in the near future, we'd surpass the greatness Q Continuum.
How many people have come across someone on a mailing list asking for help for typical stuff all the while their attachment has their proudly pimped status written on it... CCNA, CCDP, CISSP. I've seen them all, and I've seen one too many times big corporations with clueless rejects administrating their networks:
this is what happens when you outsource it to india.
I am a one armed man; i'd have a hook for my other arm?
Perhaps they'll embed an rfid tag inside me pirate's booty. arrrrggggggggggg!
o/~Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot Drink up me 'earties, yo ho
In my other reply I noted that, if anything, geeks are the best prepared.
And furthermore, geeks actually have the money to be better prepared. And because of this, they further their understanding and preparedness by reinventing the wheel several millions of times.
If you find a geek with money, they'll most likely be more knowledgable than a large majority of the population about everything around them.
Geeks will take apart computers, monitors, flashlights, cars, wrist watches, cameras, stoves, and microelectronics.
Whichever of these items that they break, they can replace with the wealth of money they have on hand. Why are they rich? Because most likely these geeks are a tad lacking on social skills with the opposite sex such that they can afford spend 100% of their earnings on their own hobbies, minus living costs if they still live with their mothers!
When I used to work at a small start up company, we weren't full of those stereotypical portly nerds that drink mountain dew all day long and have a goofy laugh.
Instead, we had nice upstart individuals that were well motivated and very athletic. (if it's any consolation to you, they didn't take showers after working out)
Whenever there were any sorts of group events, we'd have at least two individuals with experience with hiking, backpacking, rock climb, scuba diving, spelunking, sky diving, flying jets or planes, rocketry, maguyvering stuff(a lot of them were engineers in mechanical, electrical, chemical, etcetera btw), and even inventing little items for personal use with fellow hobbyists.
Yes, I believe it is the insatiable quality of nerds that keep them above the rest in society. Always prepared for any event. If you stuck them on an island without electricity or any signs of human life, they'd be able to make a quaint existence on it until someone rescued them.
For examples of weirdness and whackiness for self made items. Check out this forum for flashlight enthusiasts.
i said the project cost would be about 100 billion dollars. I never said the telescope would be built, it's just the beginning of the project, basically just to build the base there and then the beginnings of industry.
imagine opening it up to commercial contracts though. People from all over the world would want to donate money and supplies and lucrative contracts to build the industry required to mine, refine, and manufacture materials from the moon!
oh, I might add that the low gravity of the moon would make the telescope portion of the base much cheaper to build, I mean damn man, it's not going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to make a computer-controlled support setup to prevent mirrors from sagging like an old pair of melons.
Time it takes to get it up there? Well shoot, NASA took how long to get a man in the moon in the first place?
Instead of using cutting edge designs, just settle with setting up a base. Then from there use the base as a staging point for planning and creation.
There are millions of people wanting to become astronauts! Sure not everyone can fly a space shuttle, but at least you can hire space construction workers or scientists. Have them enlist in a SPACE branch of the military service and pay them peanuts($0.23 an hour), if they don't make it through the training, send them back home with no ties to the military a-la washout lane from Starship Troopers.
Speaking of which, they had a whole lunar base made of a geosynchronous orbiting ring, I think that's a great project also, a little more expensive than possible, but it's cool!
Alright, so maybe 100 billion dollars is a little conservative, but right now we have the underlying technologies to setup any sort of venture we want to the moon. We can charge it on George W Bush's CEO American Express card. It has no limit! (as long as you pay it off in a month)
Our Deficit is big enough as it is, why not add another measely trillion dollars to it?
Nope. Too many differences between the Eurovan and Rabbit Mk I.
I believe they've always been talking about the size of a beetle or bug. I mean you've watched Armageddon when Eddie Griffin was arguing with that Samoan fool. That's a Volkswagen Bug foo.
They're wasting money and time spending "a billion" dollars on a telescope, and the guys in California are making one too.
They should spend it all on setting up a new MOON mission. And then build an el cheapo telescope there.
Cuz we all know that on the moon the atmosphere is minimal and it wouldn't obstruct astronomer's views much at all.
Radiation will be easy to block on the moon since it's so close. We can send hundreds of unmanned drones to drop off equipment (like LEAD) on to the surface of the moon. Setup small nuclear power plants like the one for Galena Alaska. The Toshiba Mini Nuke. This could run lighting for hydroponics, air recycling systems and water recycling systems inside the moon base for DECADES.
The base could grow their own food, heat up lead to fill up the base interior for radiation shielding and have a pretty darn neat setup.
Sure this may take about 10 years of planning and 20 years of actual implementation and the project cost of maybe 100 billion dollars.
But imagine the fact that the world has finally gotten off its ass to put a base on the frickin' moon!
I checked my set preferences and they're still NO for everything. Do they change automatically in 60 days or something? Requiring me to THEN adjust them to NO again? or do they only reset for some people, or are people getting confused by that email, and that their preferences aren't really changed?
I think if anyone was really worried about catastrophic release of deadly viral infections on the world, they should just move the labs to the moon or something. That way in an airless environment where it is constantly bombarded by UV radiation from the Sun, Any viral infection that leaves the airlocks of the facility would be erradicated, anyone infected and leaving the facility despeartely can be interecepted.
If anyone from the moon facility gets infected, just nuke it and kill everything that's there. Isn't that real efficient? The Moon is pock marked enough as it is, no one else is gonna notice another zit being popped.
---sounds like a case of DOOM(TM), but on Earth's moon instead of Phobos.
If you go check on www.edmunds.com, the car review site, they have a lot of information on cars, such as "true cost to own"
this includes all maintenance costs, fuel costs, depreciation, insurance, financing, taxes and fees and repair fees.
i believe that this is a good indicator to how much a car costs on a per year basis.
if someone checked it out, they'd notice that after 5 years, when comparing the 2003 Toyota Prius with the 1.5L automatic Toyota Echo 2003, even after the costs of gasoline, the toyota echo comes out over 3000 dollars less than the prius.
-----however, this doesn't include options such as GPS and tax benefits and the added incentive of being able to drive in the carpool lane that you get from the prius.
-------But it's a fantastic selling point for the echo for lower income families.
I believe there should be financial aid to help those of low income purchase a prius without needing to put money up front.
------another point someone else should tackle is how much pollution is made from creating battery packs and the electronic systems that are installed in the prius to allow all those functions to work conjunctively with the gasoline motor.
if people didn't know, it takes a lot of chemicals to make printed circuit boards, and a lot of chemicals to make batteries.
I'm not quite sure how this is possible, but my friend used to be a CS Major at Stanford. The department of computer science was accredited.
However, Stanford's Engineering department was not. The reason being is that most of the classes were taught by TA's, aka graduate students.
Stanford didn't meet the minimum requirement of actual Professors with Graduate and Post Graduate degrees teaching lectures.
With that understanding, how is it possible for Stanford to even be a top school in engineering?
The only reason I can find is that though the department may not be accredited, and that the instruction may not be from seasoned professionals, the classes taught are still of the quality you would hope from a university that used to allow students to drop classes the day before the final. (sarcastic, but also thoughtfully meaning that the instruction has improved greatly)
when I bought my router, it was in replacement for my netgear, and smc routers that seemed to always freeze because I had my symbol access point connected. Therefore I went to look for an interim all in one solution.
In come the MR814 @ Fry's Electronics for 30 dollars plus a 30 dollar rebate! W00!! I only pay for california's 8.25% sales tax!
Great, then one night I was trying to play StarCraft with my friends and I kept getting high lag bars in the game. I went downstairs to see if my cousin was uploading porn to his net-buddies to find that he was. I told him to cut it out and he did.
However, I checked the stats on my netgear router and it still said there was an amount of upload bandwidth being used. I kept wondering what it was and if I had any sort of spyware that would cause it. But no, the computers at my home were just after I freshly reinstalled windows on each of them.
Well anyway, I left that alone until I read this article on/.
Since then I've upgraded my router with the newest firmware and notice that instead of losing 1KB or 2kKB of my sbc dsl 128kb upload, I lose none of it. Yey!
I remember this story a while ago in high school. Specifically because my friends gave me crap about how I was gonna make a nuclear reactor at home for a science project. I Decided against it:), enriching u238 for a science project could get messy, that and the fact that I couldn't get all the materials together on a $20/week allowance.
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The Replicator Overlords maybe powerful, But SID 6.7 can at least tell you a joke before you die.
But afterall, white is right, isn't it?
This attitude of thinking is purely unproductive at actually solving the core problem of helping people with English language deficiencies, or at least, the difficulties of Americans learning how to speak other languages to communicate with international business partners.
I agree that many Asian American immigrants in the United States may have many challenges from learning English as a second language, but I would be reluctant at saying that "Most do not know how to write in understandable English."
Plenty of American born Chinese as those born in other countries, and educated in Universities abroad, or at international schools, have had a chance to learn and utilize English better than large majority of the United States' own diverse population of "pure white folk".
Notwithstanding the root of animosity against Asian Americans by fellow commentators of this Slashdot post, there are others that have English language difficulties.
If anyone knows, there are plenty of European engineers that similarly have difficulties utilizing English in a 100% correct manner as well.
I find that the criticalness of the female engineer's email in the linked article stems not only from American's lack of patience at understanding, but also arrogance in the correctness of oneself in the English language.
I should know, from the same mindset and at the age of nine, I used berate my own mother's attempts at English before I learned to respect my mother for the effort she put forth to even come to America and the tragedies she had to withstand.
"He's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliche; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts."
If this still isn't enough at convincing you that just simply stating in an ambiguous manner that Asians, in general, are inept. You ought to ask yourself one question, "How did they get these jobs and how are they keeping them?"
The answer is simple, Asian Americans even H-1B engineers are willing to work for less pay, work harder and do the job better as well as more efficiently. Why? because the world economy is cold, despite data saying that we're working our way out of a recession, that movement is quite slow and people still need to feed their kids. And it's not just the need for subsistence, it's the innate desire to change oneself and grasp what he, or she, believes is better for them and to move from a country where political and religious expressions is met with oppression and violence.
Face it, most Americans are lazy. Kids these day are lazy. Most teens, students, and college graduates aren't working too hard during their part time jobs. They all head straight home and leave work after their contractual job is over.
This work ethic translates to lazy workers that don't do what it takes to complete a project by a certain deadline.
Apparently, those who keep their jobs, do.
Hard working isn't defined by being there from 9-5 and doing as much work in the time allotted. But instead, it is about working past your goals into a new set of goals you never knew existed.
American Le Mans pit crews don't dillydally with cars that come in on a pitstop, they strive for excellence and shuffle them out as quickly as they came in. For that, they're a cut above the rest, can you truthfully say that you are? I know I can't.
Even Q was astonished by the level of advancement us "mere mortals" were capable of. And that in the near future, we'd surpass the greatness Q Continuum.
How many people have come across someone on a mailing list asking for help for typical stuff all the while their attachment has their proudly pimped status written on it... CCNA, CCDP, CISSP. I've seen them all, and I've seen one too many times big corporations with clueless rejects administrating their networks: this is what happens when you outsource it to india.
I am a one armed man; i'd have a hook for my other arm?
Perhaps they'll embed an rfid tag inside me pirate's booty. arrrrggggggggggg!
o/~Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me
We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho
o/~Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me
In my other reply I noted that, if anything, geeks are the best prepared.
And furthermore, geeks actually have the money to be better prepared. And because of this, they further their understanding and preparedness by reinventing the wheel several millions of times.
If you find a geek with money, they'll most likely be more knowledgable than a large majority of the population about everything around them. Geeks will take apart computers, monitors, flashlights, cars, wrist watches, cameras, stoves, and microelectronics. Whichever of these items that they break, they can replace with the wealth of money they have on hand. Why are they rich? Because most likely these geeks are a tad lacking on social skills with the opposite sex such that they can afford spend 100% of their earnings on their own hobbies, minus living costs if they still live with their mothers!
I'd say it is a "statistical trend" in that it is all too common.
There are often female geeks, it's just that none of them are worth mentioning. My point is proved in that picture above.
Are any of those girls the kind you'd bring back to show off to your boys?
I think not.
Face it, geek girls are busted.
When I used to work at a small start up company, we weren't full of those stereotypical portly nerds that drink mountain dew all day long and have a goofy laugh.
Instead, we had nice upstart individuals that were well motivated and very athletic. (if it's any consolation to you, they didn't take showers after working out)
Whenever there were any sorts of group events, we'd have at least two individuals with experience with hiking, backpacking, rock climb, scuba diving, spelunking, sky diving, flying jets or planes, rocketry, maguyvering stuff(a lot of them were engineers in mechanical, electrical, chemical, etcetera btw), and even inventing little items for personal use with fellow hobbyists.
Yes, I believe it is the insatiable quality of nerds that keep them above the rest in society. Always prepared for any event. If you stuck them on an island without electricity or any signs of human life, they'd be able to make a quaint existence on it until someone rescued them.
For examples of weirdness and whackiness for self made items. Check out this forum for flashlight enthusiasts.
A bunch of them make their own flashlights, or even offer modifications to Mag-Lites to make them into hand-held HID setups just like the UnderWater Kinetics Light Cannon 100 HID Dive Light
Yes, nerds are too overprepared.
Shoot man, have you ever stuffed 24 people inside a Toyota Corolla? If you haven't, you're missing out.
i said the project cost would be about 100 billion dollars. I never said the telescope would be built, it's just the beginning of the project, basically just to build the base there and then the beginnings of industry. imagine opening it up to commercial contracts though. People from all over the world would want to donate money and supplies and lucrative contracts to build the industry required to mine, refine, and manufacture materials from the moon!
Hey Homie, how much does it cost to launch a Russian Soyuz and have it meet up with a space telescope with a space toolset?
oh, I might add that the low gravity of the moon would make the telescope portion of the base much cheaper to build, I mean damn man, it's not going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to make a computer-controlled support setup to prevent mirrors from sagging like an old pair of melons.
Time it takes to get it up there? Well shoot, NASA took how long to get a man in the moon in the first place?
Instead of using cutting edge designs, just settle with setting up a base. Then from there use the base as a staging point for planning and creation.
There are millions of people wanting to become astronauts! Sure not everyone can fly a space shuttle, but at least you can hire space construction workers or scientists. Have them enlist in a SPACE branch of the military service and pay them peanuts($0.23 an hour), if they don't make it through the training, send them back home with no ties to the military a-la washout lane from Starship Troopers.
Speaking of which, they had a whole lunar base made of a geosynchronous orbiting ring, I think that's a great project also, a little more expensive than possible, but it's cool!
Alright, so maybe 100 billion dollars is a little conservative, but right now we have the underlying technologies to setup any sort of venture we want to the moon. We can charge it on George W Bush's CEO American Express card. It has no limit! (as long as you pay it off in a month)
Our Deficit is big enough as it is, why not add another measely trillion dollars to it?
Nope. Too many differences between the Eurovan and Rabbit Mk I. I believe they've always been talking about the size of a beetle or bug. I mean you've watched Armageddon when Eddie Griffin was arguing with that Samoan fool. That's a Volkswagen Bug foo.
a billion is more than a million, numb-nuts.
These guys are all idiots.
They're wasting money and time spending "a billion" dollars on a telescope, and the guys in California are making one too.
They should spend it all on setting up a new MOON mission. And then build an el cheapo telescope there.
Cuz we all know that on the moon the atmosphere is minimal and it wouldn't obstruct astronomer's views much at all.
Radiation will be easy to block on the moon since it's so close. We can send hundreds of unmanned drones to drop off equipment (like LEAD) on to the surface of the moon. Setup small nuclear power plants like the one for Galena Alaska. The Toshiba Mini Nuke. This could run lighting for hydroponics, air recycling systems and water recycling systems inside the moon base for DECADES.
The base could grow their own food, heat up lead to fill up the base interior for radiation shielding and have a pretty darn neat setup.
Sure this may take about 10 years of planning and 20 years of actual implementation and the project cost of maybe 100 billion dollars.
But imagine the fact that the world has finally gotten off its ass to put a base on the frickin' moon!
I checked my set preferences and they're still NO for everything. Do they change automatically in 60 days or something? Requiring me to THEN adjust them to NO again? or do they only reset for some people, or are people getting confused by that email, and that their preferences aren't really changed?
I think if anyone was really worried about catastrophic release of deadly viral infections on the world, they should just move the labs to the moon or something. That way in an airless environment where it is constantly bombarded by UV radiation from the Sun, Any viral infection that leaves the airlocks of the facility would be erradicated, anyone infected and leaving the facility despeartely can be interecepted. If anyone from the moon facility gets infected, just nuke it and kill everything that's there. Isn't that real efficient? The Moon is pock marked enough as it is, no one else is gonna notice another zit being popped. ---sounds like a case of DOOM(TM), but on Earth's moon instead of Phobos.
Has anyone watched SeaQuest DSV? They had a similar monitor in the Captain's Quarters!
wow, that's a good piece of history.
it also sends the point to that we don't care about anything unless it's 1, recent, and 2, in our own country.
If you go check on www.edmunds.com, the car review site, they have a lot of information on cars, such as "true cost to own" this includes all maintenance costs, fuel costs, depreciation, insurance, financing, taxes and fees and repair fees. i believe that this is a good indicator to how much a car costs on a per year basis. if someone checked it out, they'd notice that after 5 years, when comparing the 2003 Toyota Prius with the 1.5L automatic Toyota Echo 2003, even after the costs of gasoline, the toyota echo comes out over 3000 dollars less than the prius. -----however, this doesn't include options such as GPS and tax benefits and the added incentive of being able to drive in the carpool lane that you get from the prius. -------But it's a fantastic selling point for the echo for lower income families. I believe there should be financial aid to help those of low income purchase a prius without needing to put money up front. ------another point someone else should tackle is how much pollution is made from creating battery packs and the electronic systems that are installed in the prius to allow all those functions to work conjunctively with the gasoline motor. if people didn't know, it takes a lot of chemicals to make printed circuit boards, and a lot of chemicals to make batteries.
However, Stanford's Engineering department was not. The reason being is that most of the classes were taught by TA's, aka graduate students.
Stanford didn't meet the minimum requirement of actual Professors with Graduate and Post Graduate degrees teaching lectures.
With that understanding, how is it possible for Stanford to even be a top school in engineering?
The only reason I can find is that though the department may not be accredited, and that the instruction may not be from seasoned professionals, the classes taught are still of the quality you would hope from a university that used to allow students to drop classes the day before the final. (sarcastic, but also thoughtfully meaning that the instruction has improved greatly)
when I bought my router, it was in replacement for my netgear, and smc routers that seemed to always freeze because I had my symbol access point connected. Therefore I went to look for an interim all in one solution. In come the MR814 @ Fry's Electronics for 30 dollars plus a 30 dollar rebate! W00!! I only pay for california's 8.25% sales tax! Great, then one night I was trying to play StarCraft with my friends and I kept getting high lag bars in the game. I went downstairs to see if my cousin was uploading porn to his net-buddies to find that he was. I told him to cut it out and he did. However, I checked the stats on my netgear router and it still said there was an amount of upload bandwidth being used. I kept wondering what it was and if I had any sort of spyware that would cause it. But no, the computers at my home were just after I freshly reinstalled windows on each of them. Well anyway, I left that alone until I read this article on /.
Since then I've upgraded my router with the newest firmware and notice that instead of losing 1KB or 2kKB of my sbc dsl 128kb upload, I lose none of it. Yey!
I remember this story a while ago in high school. Specifically because my friends gave me crap about how I was gonna make a nuclear reactor at home for a science project. I Decided against it :), enriching u238 for a science project could get messy, that and the fact that I couldn't get all the materials together on a $20/week allowance.