i think the biggest issue here is the fact that its an "open" tool. if somebody had made this has a closed source tool i dont think the MPAA would have pushed this hard for this issue......
of course i think that doesnt matter. what does matter is the fact that the MPAA isnt trying to outlaw DVD burners, or any other things that allow "Copying"..... not only that but i only run linux and personally dont give a good god damn if they think i should run windows or not. if i bought the DVD i am going to watch it..... wherever i want on whatever platform i want
i am personally begining to get a little scared about how far these companies (READ: HP) are going with this DMCA stuff. heck i am personally thinking about moving to a smaller european country just to get away for A_FEW_MORE_YEARS untill this cruft becomes global.
and the scary part is , outside of actually coming up with an endless amount of cash to battle these gluttons in court we dont have any other means by which to fight this.
" Oh yeah, that's a fine way to thank Intel for all the support they have given Linux and yourself over the years. Can't you just maintain neutrality, as Intel has done publicly with respect to the Microsoft/Linux struggle?"
would you mind actually READING the ACTUAL post instead of the article before you open that sewer you call a mouth ?
number one reason a mack server has never been hacked ? what companies run them ? like the other poster said there internal memory management sucks. and yes for most people running a server PERFORMANCE MATTERS. next is the interest level, what l33t hacker would be even the slightest bit interested in this ? i have not yet seen or heard anybody in the community talking about how 'hard' or 'interesting'a mac hack would be. because nobody who matters (big companies, banks etc..) run them. and source being availible or not doesnt matter , it never has the problem with bugs being easier to find is offset by the speed a fix is availible. look at NT4 it has an estimated 65,000 bugs. nobody can find them because the source isn't there right? WRONG ! all it takes is some creative testing and reverse engineering and you can find them. conversly look at red-hat 300 known bugs right ? how many of them are patched ? 99% ? and of the ones that are not how easy are they to exploit ? either way it comes down too one thing. intelligence of the admin. servers were nt and are not made for joe schmoe to run. PERIOD all these people who complain about how 'hard' it is too admin a unix server SHOULDNT be doing it in the first place.
oh and i'd also like too point out that unless a blackhat wants to go corporate he wont go for a cash prize because it puts the spotlight onto him. and that is a BAD THING (tm) when your are doing "illegal things"
actually the article says the itanium can run x86 apps through EMULATION.
and the PDF you link to backs it up on page 5 and 6 it states "Translation of IA-32 code is performed with special hardware built into the itanium 2 processor. This hardware allows legacy I/O drivers and other lower performance codes to be translater and executed 'on the fly' in the itanium 2 processor"
hardware emulation , and i have been told it is rather slow at that.
so actually your the one spreading FUD about intel
Mr. Skylarov (sp?) has a legal case pending but the reason he was charged wasnt because a company brought a lawsuit against him, it was because the so-called justice department wanted to make an example out of him so they presed charges against him.
who imatates micro$ucks usability ? not *nix users , remember WERE the ones who actually preffer command line so we know what the F* our system is doing.... not to mention we actually fix problems when our systems have problems
and doesnt mac OS X run a BSD kernel ?
30yr old dead horse ? so i take it your reffering to unix ? right its dead..... have a bank acount ? i highly doubt its handled ANYWHERE NEAR an MS server. payroll ? yeah probally unix has well...... come to think of it 67% (at last count) of the internet (servers, firewalls etc.) run a *nix varient.
umm i hate to break you the news but micro$uck's programmers DONT HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO TEST CODE !!!!
why do you think bill gatesey said 'if our source code was realeased it would COMPLETELY DE-STABILIZE ALL WINDOWS MACHINES" there code is flawed, always has been always will be. and who can see it to fix it ? them ? and them fixing it is like admiting they were wrong all these years........
get LimeWire , get openBSD , set up a real firewall on an openBSD box , install LimeWire on workstation behind said firewall assign yourself ip in the range of 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x and wa-la they now have to try and trace a non-routable local IP. especially if things with p2p stay the way they are -ip based that is.
you actually see ALOT of people with 192.168 boxes on limwire, and since road runner (time warner) uses hubs on there network instead of routers or switches the will be looking into your "general" area. otherwise in legal speak , PROVE IT WAS ME !
okay yeah sure ill belive that there alot of ATTACKS on linux sure , but how many actually work ? and of the ones that do work how many of them are either do to an un-patched server or a noob admin ? now compare that to windows. i am pretty damned sure windows has way more exploits that are UNFIXED than does linux. most OSS holes are patched within days, most microsoft holes are patched in WEEKS or MONTHS... sometimes NEVER.
not to mention most of these "holes" in linux actually require a brain cell and time to exploit whereas most windows holes have scripts for them.... not to mention this is all one big assanine discussion SOLARIS and openBSD are the two security OS's. you wanna be paraniod run them. hell i dont think i EVER remember hearing of a gapping hole in solaris and i WORK for sun..... (of course i could be wrong about that)
umm dude who said anything about black helicoptors ? your the one who is blind and ignorant. maybe if you put down your TIME (tm) magazine and PEOPLE (tm) you would friggin realise the point is china is ADVANCING as far as rights go, where as this country is regressing. mod me up or down i dont care but you its people like YOU that make me sick, throwing vulgar inflamatory comments around doesnt prove your point, it makes you look like an A$$. not to mention you may wanna stop watching MOVIES about china and ask somebody who has been there and isnt into crime what its like.
2)-fair judicial system we have one of those ? WHERE ? not in the USA 5)-uncorrupt governance two words : senator disney 7)-freedom of expression yeah in this country where people get sued for wearing the wrong things in public...... or publishing parts of source code from suck ass proprietary companies like adobe or microsuck
actually dingbat if you read most of the posts it would be more like
"well at least they got it half right, they found them guilty NOW SMASH THEM like they did with bell"
well as far as the whole no MS tax thing goes APPLE wont charge you for microsuck software..... and yeah i know apple has proprietary hardware but you know what ? its a friggin laptop most people dont mess with laptops has far has hardware goes.
not to mention it runs openBSD great
and i have read that it runs linux good has well
and the g4ti has gigabit ethernet , 1mb of ddr cache , and a burner/dvd drive with a 15' screen in a 5lb model..... not bad
hell if you ask me its the best ALL-AROUND laptop on the market.
dude what video card and dvd player do you think ISNT supported under linux ? (XINE is your friend)
not only that but the majority of people who buy "shiny" laptops are the nimwads you dont want running linux for the simple reason they will start to bash it because they cant "drag and drop" or "point and click" everything
well it has been my experience that most of the time laptops have 'monitor out' hookups so no problem there but i think you may run into one un-comfortable situation and that is typing onto the laptop kepboard while trying to use another screen.
just an assumption though... it kinda depends on your comfort level with new things and how flexible you are
it may not be 1.5 ghz but the g4 ti has 1mb of cache and compared to most notebooks 256k that more than makes up for the speed difference in the procc.
I'm looking forward to Linux apps which are half as useful as Word, Outlook, AutoRoute and so on
its called EVOLUTION comes with redhat 7.3 and can easily be loaded using apt-get in debain or red-carpet in any other distro (if you being a windows user dont know how to do anything command-line based) oh and try this review....
http://www.infoanarchy.org/story/2002/5/1/64850/34 022
you know as someone who deals with ICANN and BS they cause i can tell you that they really need to either be abolished or handled by some other higher up group. for the most part they have no idea how to do there own jobs.
and lets just hope the US gov't doesnt take over for them. that would only make things worse
not to be redundant but this guy is WAY off base. i mean in all reality the person who wrote the report doesnt seem to have a grasp of what security really is. it is about many things not only the amount of "bugs" in the software. but also the quickness of a patch becoming availible and weather a bug goes public or not. i mean apache has an exploit everyone can see it AND/OR work on a fix for it. windows IIS server has a bug and who knows about it? who can work on it? does it go public? if so how long til it gets fixed? weeks ? months? never?
i am just going to stop before i start ms bashing again
i dont want to be argumenative or anything but it has been my expeirience that OEM's such has asus, tyan, ati etc. have alot better warranties than say sony or hp. has far has price goes i just built this system asus a7v266-e + amd athlon 1800 = $220 512mb of ddr (256x2)(cas2 crucial) = $70 40gb western digital 7200rpm 8mb cache = $60 case (sf201b)= $140 really nice one from directron to bad it took them a month to get it to me ati radeon 8500dvi (64mb ddr)= $120 pioneer dvd slot feed = $40 total with fans and shipping = about $850 --bear in mind thats with two day select on most items including $65 for the case alone
seeing your baby compile the kernel in under 4 minutes = priceless
and id like to know what stock system comes with 5.1 surround and a video card thats comparible to that. and i wont go into the cheap fans they use or the cas3 ram they use , not to mention the power supply etc
(the power supply came with the case 400w antec, and i already had a burner)
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i think the biggest issue here is the fact that its an "open" tool. if somebody had made this has a closed source tool i dont think the MPAA would have pushed this hard for this issue......
..... not only that but i only run linux and personally dont give a good god damn if they think i should run windows or not. if i bought the DVD i am going to watch it ..... wherever i want on whatever platform i want
of course i think that doesnt matter. what does matter is the fact that the MPAA isnt trying to outlaw DVD burners, or any other things that allow "Copying"
i cant belive i beat everyone else too it ....
......
try http://www.2600.com/offthehook/
for some informative news
so you can play DVD's on your linux box eh ? how about not breaking the law while playing DVD's on your Linux box ?
.....
...... since thats what most people own.
i mean in all reality most users are rather uncomfortable using DeCSS to "break the law" and play a DVD.
let alone finding the code and compiling it
and yes i am refering to the standard ENCRYPTED DVD's
of course if there is something that does this whithout using DeCSS please feel free too enlighten me with a clue-bat
i am personally begining to get a little scared about how far these companies (READ: HP) are going with this DMCA stuff. heck i am personally thinking about moving to a smaller european country just to get away for A_FEW_MORE_YEARS untill this cruft becomes global.
and the scary part is , outside of actually coming up with an endless amount of cash to battle these gluttons in court we dont have any other means by which to fight this.
" Oh yeah, that's a fine way to thank Intel for all the support they have given Linux and yourself over the years. Can't you just maintain neutrality, as Intel has done publicly with respect to the Microsoft/Linux struggle?"
would you mind actually READING the ACTUAL post instead of the article before you open that sewer you call a mouth ?
i'm going to make a point
weather you listen or not is up too you
number one reason a mack server has never been hacked ? what companies run them ? like the other poster said there internal memory management sucks. and yes for most people running a server PERFORMANCE MATTERS.
next is the interest level, what l33t hacker would be even the slightest bit interested in this ? i have not yet seen or heard anybody in the community talking about how 'hard' or 'interesting'a mac hack would be. because nobody who matters (big companies, banks etc..) run them.
and source being availible or not doesnt matter , it never has the problem with bugs being easier to find is offset by the speed a fix is availible. look at NT4 it has an estimated 65,000 bugs. nobody can find them because the source isn't there right? WRONG ! all it takes is some creative testing and reverse engineering and you can find them. conversly look at red-hat 300 known bugs right ? how many of them are patched ? 99% ? and of the ones that are not how easy are they to exploit ?
either way it comes down too one thing. intelligence of the admin. servers were nt and are not made for joe schmoe to run. PERIOD all these people who complain about how 'hard' it is too admin a unix server SHOULDNT be doing it in the first place.
oh and i'd also like too point out that unless a blackhat wants to go corporate he wont go for a cash prize because it puts the spotlight onto him. and that is a BAD THING (tm) when your are doing "illegal things"
actually the article says the itanium can run x86 apps through EMULATION.
and the PDF you link to backs it up on page 5 and 6 it states "Translation of IA-32 code is performed with special hardware built into the itanium 2 processor. This hardware allows legacy I/O drivers and other lower performance codes to be translater and executed 'on the fly' in the itanium 2 processor"
hardware emulation , and i have been told it is rather slow at that.
so actually your the one spreading FUD about intel
Mr. Skylarov (sp?) has a legal case pending but the reason he was charged wasnt because a company brought a lawsuit against him, it was because the so-called justice department wanted to make an example out of him so they presed charges against him.
who imatates micro$ucks usability ? not *nix users , remember WERE the ones who actually preffer command line so we know what the F* our system is doing .... not to mention we actually fix problems when our systems have problems
..... have a bank acount ? i highly doubt its handled ANYWHERE NEAR an MS server. payroll ? yeah probally unix has well ...... come to think of it 67% (at last count) of the internet (servers, firewalls etc.) run a *nix varient.
and doesnt mac OS X run a BSD kernel ?
30yr old dead horse ? so i take it your reffering to unix ? right its dead
AND NO REBOOTING TO FIX IT IS_NOT A SOLUTION !
umm i hate to break you the news but micro$uck's programmers DONT HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO TEST CODE !!!!
........
why do you think bill gatesey said 'if our source code was realeased it would COMPLETELY DE-STABILIZE ALL WINDOWS MACHINES" there code is flawed, always has been always will be. and who can see it to fix it ? them ? and them fixing it is like admiting they were wrong all these years
and billeys ego is too damn big for that
get LimeWire , get openBSD , set up a real firewall on an openBSD box , install LimeWire on workstation behind said firewall assign yourself ip in the range of 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x and wa-la they now have to try and trace a non-routable local IP. especially if things with p2p stay the way they are -ip based that is. you actually see ALOT of people with 192.168 boxes on limwire, and since road runner (time warner) uses hubs on there network instead of routers or switches the will be looking into your "general" area. otherwise in legal speak , PROVE IT WAS ME !
okay yeah sure ill belive that there alot of ATTACKS on linux sure , but how many actually work ? and of the ones that do work how many of them are either do to an un-patched server or a noob admin ? ... sometimes NEVER.
not to mention most of these "holes" in linux actually require a brain cell and time to exploit whereas most windows holes have scripts for them ....
now compare that to windows.
i am pretty damned sure windows has way more exploits that are UNFIXED than does linux. most OSS holes are patched within days, most microsoft holes are patched in WEEKS or MONTHS
not to mention this is all one big assanine discussion SOLARIS and openBSD are the two security OS's. you wanna be paraniod run them.
hell i dont think i EVER remember hearing of a gapping hole in solaris and i WORK for sun..... (of course i could be wrong about that)
umm dude who said anything about black helicoptors ? your the one who is blind and ignorant. maybe if you put down your TIME (tm) magazine and PEOPLE (tm) you would friggin realise the point is china is ADVANCING as far as rights go, where as this country is regressing. mod me up or down i dont care but you its people like YOU that make me sick, throwing vulgar inflamatory comments around doesnt prove your point, it makes you look like an A$$. not to mention you may wanna stop watching MOVIES about china and ask somebody who has been there and isnt into crime what its like.
2)-fair judicial system ...... or publishing parts of source code from suck ass proprietary companies like adobe or microsuck
we have one of those ? WHERE ? not in the USA
5)-uncorrupt governance
two words : senator disney
7)-freedom of expression
yeah in this country where people get sued for wearing the wrong things in public
actually dingbat if you read most of the posts it would be more like "well at least they got it half right, they found them guilty NOW SMASH THEM like they did with bell"
well as far as the whole no MS tax thing goes APPLE wont charge you for microsuck software ..... and yeah i know apple has proprietary hardware but you know what ? its a friggin laptop most people dont mess with laptops has far has hardware goes.
not to mention it runs openBSD great
and i have read that it runs linux good has well
and the g4ti has gigabit ethernet , 1mb of ddr cache , and a burner/dvd drive with a 15' screen in a 5lb model ..... not bad
hell if you ask me its the best ALL-AROUND laptop on the market.
dude what video card and dvd player do you think ISNT supported under linux ? (XINE is your friend) not only that but the majority of people who buy "shiny" laptops are the nimwads you dont want running linux for the simple reason they will start to bash it because they cant "drag and drop" or "point and click" everything
well it has been my experience that most of the time laptops have 'monitor out' hookups so no problem there but i think you may run into one un-comfortable situation and that is typing onto the laptop kepboard while trying to use another screen. just an assumption though ... it kinda depends on your comfort level with new things and how flexible you are
it may not be 1.5 ghz but the g4 ti has 1mb of cache and compared to most notebooks 256k that more than makes up for the speed difference in the procc.
best of all openBSD works great on apple
I'm looking forward to Linux apps which are half as useful as Word, Outlook, AutoRoute and so on .... 4 022
its called EVOLUTION comes with redhat 7.3 and can easily be loaded using apt-get in debain or red-carpet in any other distro (if you being a windows user dont know how to do anything command-line based) oh and try this review
http://www.infoanarchy.org/story/2002/5/1/64850/3
you know as someone who deals with ICANN and BS they cause i can tell you that they really need to either be abolished or handled by some other higher up group. for the most part they have no idea how to do there own jobs.
and lets just hope the US gov't doesnt take over for them. that would only make things worse
not to be redundant but this guy is WAY off base.
i mean in all reality the person who wrote the report doesnt seem to have a grasp of what security really is. it is about many things not only the amount of "bugs" in the software. but also the quickness of a patch becoming availible and weather a bug goes public or not. i mean apache has an exploit everyone can see it AND/OR work on a fix for it. windows IIS server has a bug and who knows about it? who can work on it? does it go public? if so how long til it gets fixed? weeks ? months? never?
i am just going to stop before i start ms bashing again
eaxactly ... i just said i needed some karma
at least now im negative karma
instead of having none at all
first post ?
i hope so i need karma
i dont want to be argumenative or anything
but it has been my expeirience that OEM's such has asus, tyan, ati etc. have alot better warranties than say sony or hp.
has far has price goes i just built this system
asus a7v266-e + amd athlon 1800 = $220
512mb of ddr (256x2)(cas2 crucial) = $70
40gb western digital 7200rpm 8mb cache = $60
case (sf201b)= $140 really nice one from directron to bad it took them a month to get it to me
ati radeon 8500dvi (64mb ddr)= $120
pioneer dvd slot feed = $40
total with fans and shipping = about $850 --bear in mind thats with two day select on most items including $65 for the case alone
seeing your baby compile the kernel in under 4 minutes = priceless
and id like to know what stock system comes with 5.1 surround and a video card thats comparible to that. and i wont go into the cheap fans they use or the cas3 ram they use , not to mention the power supply etc
(the power supply came with the case 400w antec, and i already had a burner)