... if I go to Florida and take this guy out. not only does he defend our favorite utility meat, but he's a lawyer. that has to be, like, an 11th commandment in some religion.
Could someone please tell me if NTFS is journaled?
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I was so overwhelmed by reading all the responses, and, seeing how this is slashdot... if someone could clear it up for me, I'd be very appreciative. Thanks!
we have a number of nokia's where i work (it's a university... i work tech for a dept. the nokias belong to the uni, so i don't work on 'em), mostly 330s and 440s.
granted, they are based on older hw (p2-450s, early p3s, etc). however, what you're paying for is CYA and management. if it breaks, you call nokia or whomever is responsible for providing support for it.
IPSO does one thing, *very* well. personally, i'm of the opinion of a decently spec'd out box running obsd w/pf, but only because i manage the box. some may like linux with iptables or whatever.
suppose you go the obsd/linux route on an off-the-shelf i386 machine. 1. you buy the machine. 2. you have to pay someone to manage it. rough guesstimation, but i see it a *lot* cheaper to buy a few nokia boxes and pay the fw-1 license fees. my dept is already incurring my salary, so we decided to get an i386 box (dell pe1650), two 4 port ethernet cards, and get on with it. it works great. if that thing breaks though, it's my ass. plus, if i leave, someone will need to know how to manage it. the uni where i work going with nokias... it's (ipso/fw-1) a common platform in that niche, so it'd be much easier to find someone else that knows how to manage them, and, they have nokia to have fix problems.
1) If Theo decides to close up shop, they can continue using the code they already have.
Yes, that is very true. However, I think many developers would migrate to the other BSDs. Todd, Henning, etc... they would probably stay and keep on the fantastic releases. Although Theo comes off as harsh and unrelenting, I think his convictions to keep everything free free, draws a healthy number of developers to OpenBSD. I also think, perhaps moreso, that many developers are drawn to it because it is a *very* good development platform because everything is put together very well. The documentation is fantastic. More importantly, they encourage developers to do things correctly.
2) It's this kind of "guilt trip" that really shows you don't support the license.
The "guilt trip" you suggest is not true, at least not for myself. allow me to quote myself: they're not forced to do anything, but it is a courteous thing to do. along the lines of don't bite the hand that feeds you. not being forced to do anything is the beauty of the bsd license.
i think my use of the cliche was perhaps a little too strong (i honestly don't think a project like OpenBSD would close become companies didn't give code back... sun with 'SunSSH', and to a lesser extent, Sun/US3 docs and Cisco/vrrp). however, i do believe a project could benefit greatly by receiving free free code from a company that has benefitted from a free software project. i think redhat has done pretty well by linux, and in turn, they employ many developers from oss projects, many of whom i'm sure have contributed back to linux directly. in that sense, i see the crunchbox in the same light.
all being said, i am a vocal supporter of the bsds and bsd-style licenses. for various reasons, i'm not a fan of the gpl. and please note i didn't say "should give back"... i said it would be a courteous thing to do. i don't hold a grudge against companies/groups/individuals that don't share changes. that's their right to do so.
they're not forced to do anything, but it is a courteous thing to do. along the lines of don't bite the hand that feeds you. not being forced to do anything is the beauty of the bsd license.
the crunchbox runs openbsd. if the crunchbox is going to be profitable, they need to keep costs down (obvious). they do this by using a free os. however, suppose theo decided to end the obsd project. shopip is suddenly sol. sure, they could switch to fbsd, nbsd, or even linux. but now, they'd have to re-tool everything, and that will cost $$... profits.
if they give back, that may encourage other companies to give back too. by companies giving back valuable code, obsd may become a solution for someone that, prior to donated code, was not a solution. that new customer(s) may contribute resources to the project (cd/tshirt sales, write new code of their own, hardware to test, etc etc). things get peachy all-around.
example? if enough companies gave code to the obsd project, that may (although highly unlikely) encourage cisco to release vrrp with a no nonsense, free for all to use for whatever purpose, license. obsd could then become a solution to many people looking to build a redundant firewall solution using known technology. even shopip/draper could profit from that.
she telecommutes twice a week. on those days, she takes her son to pre-school in the morning. her husband has already left for work much earlier.
when she gets back, she takes a shower, has something to eat. then, she drives to her train stop, turns around, and goes home, and starts working in their office.
she's convinced it's the act of driving her car in the morning that gets her focused on working.
the same oil money that Saddam has been using to make himself feel like a man by buying weapons and other nasty shit, instead of, wait a minute, being a better man and using it to help his people?
the Saudis seem to be doing pretty well. For that matter, Qatar, UAE, Yemen too.
reconfigure the box. i guess you can't link to a system which has all of the configurations one has specified, which i do routinely, every day, but with premier.dell.com =(
and btw, in that dell... hardware raid and scsi. i'll give you the ide/scsi perf battle, but hardware raid? where's that in the xserve?
any reason why you *have* to upgrade?
i have a number of systems which have been running 2.4 since early '99. i have never had to *have* to upgrade. connected to the internet, no ipmasq/nat biz going on either.
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
my friend gave me shit to no end for at least 30 minutes a few days ago.
we were in lake tahoe, drunk as hell. one of our other friends went up and grabbed some hot blonde broad's ass. when i described it to another (4th) friend, i told him "when i saw him grab her ass, i laughed out loud"
and the getting shit commenced. mind you, i didn't say 'LOL', but I said 'laugh out loud'.
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That's what this is for. =)
... if I go to Florida and take this guy out. not only does he defend our favorite utility meat, but he's a lawyer. that has to be, like, an 11th commandment in some religion.
I was so overwhelmed by reading all the responses, and, seeing how this is slashdot ... if someone could clear it up for me, I'd be very appreciative. Thanks!
any particular attachment to linux?
http://www.allard.nu/openbsd
typing in 'failover' on obsd would be sweet too, if cisco relaxed on the vrrp patents =)
seeing some other posts ...
... i work tech for a dept. the nokias belong to the uni, so i don't work on 'em), mostly 330s and 440s.
... it's (ipso/fw-1) a common platform in that niche, so it'd be much easier to find someone else that knows how to manage them, and, they have nokia to have fix problems.
we have a number of nokia's where i work (it's a university
granted, they are based on older hw (p2-450s, early p3s, etc). however, what you're paying for is CYA and management. if it breaks, you call nokia or whomever is responsible for providing support for it.
IPSO does one thing, *very* well. personally, i'm of the opinion of a decently spec'd out box running obsd w/pf, but only because i manage the box. some may like linux with iptables or whatever.
suppose you go the obsd/linux route on an off-the-shelf i386 machine. 1. you buy the machine. 2. you have to pay someone to manage it. rough guesstimation, but i see it a *lot* cheaper to buy a few nokia boxes and pay the fw-1 license fees. my dept is already incurring my salary, so we decided to get an i386 box (dell pe1650), two 4 port ethernet cards, and get on with it. it works great. if that thing breaks though, it's my ass. plus, if i leave, someone will need to know how to manage it. the uni where i work going with nokias
a way to void that warranty
... a hardened freebsd. people have been removing IPSO and install fbsd for quite some time.
this is nothing new.
the nokia IP boxes run IPSO
now, why you'd buy a several thousand dollar p2-450 to begin with, i can't say.
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1) If Theo decides to close up shop, they can continue using the code they already have. ... they would probably stay and keep on the fantastic releases. Although Theo comes off as harsh and unrelenting, I think his convictions to keep everything free free, draws a healthy number of developers to OpenBSD. I also think, perhaps moreso, that many developers are drawn to it because it is a *very* good development platform because everything is put together very well. The documentation is fantastic. More importantly, they encourage developers to do things correctly.
... sun with 'SunSSH', and to a lesser extent, Sun/US3 docs and Cisco/vrrp). however, i do believe a project could benefit greatly by receiving free free code from a company that has benefitted from a free software project. i think redhat has done pretty well by linux, and in turn, they employ many developers from oss projects, many of whom i'm sure have contributed back to linux directly. in that sense, i see the crunchbox in the same light.
... i said it would be a courteous thing to do. i don't hold a grudge against companies/groups/individuals that don't share changes. that's their right to do so.
Yes, that is very true. However, I think many developers would migrate to the other BSDs. Todd, Henning, etc
2) It's this kind of "guilt trip" that really shows you don't support the license.
The "guilt trip" you suggest is not true, at least not for myself. allow me to quote myself:
they're not forced to do anything, but it is a courteous thing to do. along the lines of don't bite the hand that feeds you. not being forced to do anything is the beauty of the bsd license.
i think my use of the cliche was perhaps a little too strong (i honestly don't think a project like OpenBSD would close become companies didn't give code back
all being said, i am a vocal supporter of the bsds and bsd-style licenses. for various reasons, i'm not a fan of the gpl. and please note i didn't say "should give back"
they're not forced to do anything, but it is a courteous thing to do. along the lines of don't bite the hand that feeds you. not being forced to do anything is the beauty of the bsd license.
... profits.
the crunchbox runs openbsd. if the crunchbox is going to be profitable, they need to keep costs down (obvious). they do this by using a free os. however, suppose theo decided to end the obsd project. shopip is suddenly sol. sure, they could switch to fbsd, nbsd, or even linux. but now, they'd have to re-tool everything, and that will cost $$
if they give back, that may encourage other companies to give back too. by companies giving back valuable code, obsd may become a solution for someone that, prior to donated code, was not a solution. that new customer(s) may contribute resources to the project (cd/tshirt sales, write new code of their own, hardware to test, etc etc). things get peachy all-around.
example? if enough companies gave code to the obsd project, that may (although highly unlikely) encourage cisco to release vrrp with a no nonsense, free for all to use for whatever purpose, license. obsd could then become a solution to many people looking to build a redundant firewall solution using known technology. even shopip/draper could profit from that.
Will/Have you ever make/made any changes you've made to OpenBSD for your Crunchbox available to the OpenBSD group?
better yet, strlcpy and strlcat and their brethren. they're becoming more common on more and more platforms. solaris has them.
she telecommutes twice a week. on those days, she takes her son to pre-school in the morning. her husband has already left for work much earlier. when she gets back, she takes a shower, has something to eat. then, she drives to her train stop, turns around, and goes home, and starts working in their office. she's convinced it's the act of driving her car in the morning that gets her focused on working.
i've heard it a few times. otoh, i'm sure i probably get called the devil to balance it all out
you are aware that Intel makes things that aren't x86, correct?
i spend 2 full days downloading the isos, only to read the review and determine i shouldn't bother
... FOR ME TO POOP ON
ip security bit stories are good enough
ahh, yes, the oil argument.
the same oil money that Saddam has been using to make himself feel like a man by buying weapons and other nasty shit, instead of, wait a minute, being a better man and using it to help his people?
the Saudis seem to be doing pretty well. For that matter, Qatar, UAE, Yemen too.
reconfigure the box. i guess you can't link to a system which has all of the configurations one has specified, which i do routinely, every day, but with premier.dell.com =(
... hardware raid and scsi. i'll give you the ide/scsi perf battle, but hardware raid? where's that in the xserve?
and btw, in that dell
wait about 2-3 weeks. Dell is coming out with a PE1750. 1U dual xeon. should be a little less than the PE2650.
... for $2700. probably won't work, but, here you go
and, i just spec'd a stripped 2650, dual 2.8 xeons
because i use intel cards in my boxes =)
but, kudos on the hard work
any reason why you *have* to upgrade? i have a number of systems which have been running 2.4 since early '99. i have never had to *have* to upgrade. connected to the internet, no ipmasq/nat biz going on either. if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
i will sign a cert (shit, i'll sign as many as you want) for you for, hmm. what's fair? $20, a case of Natty Light, a Playboy, and an 8 iron.
thanks
them, be ready? that'd be a surprise.
... this is for the BD. i'm surprised that they are complaining they are behind schedule on something.
oh, wait
I want a flying car.
my friend gave me shit to no end for at least 30 minutes a few days ago.
we were in lake tahoe, drunk as hell. one of our other friends went up and grabbed some hot blonde broad's ass. when i described it to another (4th) friend, i told him "when i saw him grab her ass, i laughed out loud"
and the getting shit commenced. mind you, i didn't say 'LOL', but I said 'laugh out loud'.