for a UNIX admin to get around 30k in the uk you have to be at the sort of standard where you can debug code, and be a shit hot admin with a bag of experience.
incompetent unix admins come in at the 15-20k mark whereas MCSEs seem to be 20-30k
You don't need to be a programmer to be able to figure out what's causing something to fail and have an attempt at fixing it. Dragging out tcpdump, strace and the like is a daily occurance in a large scale environment, and working for a major european isp i've never seen anybody reinstall a UNIX box because it couldn't be fixed. A making a workaround hack under UNIX is a piece of cake, under windows it is extremely difficult as without source code, you cannot hope to see what the application is doing internally.
To get a UNIX sysadmin job within a reasonably large company nowadays, you need to be good. There's no 2 ways about it. Even the not so skilled UNIX admins I know in the industry are capable of fixing a broken service quickly without having to resort to a reinstall/reboot.
To become an NT admin, you only have to pass an MCSE exam. Most NT admins I have met wouldn't even know how to go about using telnet to make a pop3/smtp/http/etc session, let alone debug an application... not that it's particularly plausible on a windows platform. A reinstall is often a lot simpler than (and usually need in the process of) attempting to find a bug in a windows application, and even then you have to rely on the manufacturer of that software fixing the bug, which won't be within anywhere near the same timescale that 99% of UNIX applications can be repaired in.
If it's more convenient to reboot the machine, then what's the complaint? If it's inconvenient to reboot (which describes 90% of the servers I work on), then find the service and restart it. Hint: Look in the Services console...then right click and Restart. Or, if you prefer the CLI, use net stop/start . For bonus points, you can use the short or long name of the service. What's so difficult about that?
Consider the following scenarios:
1. This was a one-off failure. A UNIX bod would want to know why it failed and then proceed to fix the bug and submit it to the maintainers so it never happened again. An NT bod would reboot the box... and again the following day... and again, until they got bored and decided to reinstall it.
2. This was caused by a problem which for whatever reason prevents the service from restarting. A UNIX bod would have it figured out and fixed in minutes (verbose logfiles, debug options, finally resorting to strace and the like). The mentality of a NT bod would be to try rebooting a few times, then reinstall and hope it works.
Now consider the above bearing in mind the insane amount of servers over at Hotmail. Under UNIX, the bod would fix it on one machine, and have the other 3499 boxes fixed in ~10 minutes by a script (time includes writing the script). Under NT, you're going to be having a lot of fun
have you ever been stuck on a train/coach for several hours? i prefer pulling out my 9210 and playing doom or some random c64 game than staring out of the window bored silly. and before you mention it, 9210s have a stupidly long battery life.
Any company putting one of these mothers in a noc is doing something seriously wrong:P
Server rooms generally look exceptionally impressive to suits anyhow (and often even to t-shirts!). However I do agree that an E10/15k would be a lot easier to pass past accounting departments with the support from the marketing departments that a few cold cathode tubes gains...
There's not many machines short of Crays that have the sort of universal "wow" factor that E10k's have. Why not spend a tiny bit more to impress? Even if it gains a single sale over a Fujitsu or something, with the price of these things it'd be worth Sun putting the extra couple of dollars in on every unit!
the only thing of mild interest within this thread is how the/. editors came up with the idea that 100k users makes an irc network the biggest... somebody please disagree with me, using logic which will make me think. please.
yeah, since posting i've supped and portupgaded (mmm dual athlon xp:), i also had a poke around in the nv code and saw the recognition, which i plonked into the xf86config... still no joy with the pixels tho:(
well yesterday I stuck fbsd (4.6.1-rc2) on a nice quick box with a GeForce4-4400. XFree86-4.2.0 didn't recognise the gfx card, which I had to force it as a "Nvidia 0x0250" (whereas dmesg plainly reports it as nothing more than "Nvidia 0x0251". It works, but it likes to throw random pixels about the screen, usually black ones amongst text making it difficult to read:/
I've cvsup'd and I'm currently in the process of portupgrade -a in a vain attempt to get something more legible...
What everyone seems to be missing is the real usefulness of this, which is indoors.
Would you as a company rather have your employees wandering around your site running up silly bills on their company mobile phones, or have all calls from within the site routed through your nice cheap switchboard?
Also I work in a datacentre which seems to have just as much metal as brick in the walls. Wireless VoIP phones are excellent in that you can walk over to a server room and work on a server whilst talking to someone due to the provision of WAPs within the building. With GSM and 'landlines', this would be impossible.
If the poster had asked for an email-to-sms gateway then yes, it would be stupid. But look at the title. "SMS to Internet".
You do a search and you get kannel. OK, so you've got a box and installed kannel on it. Now what do you do? You pay a lot of money to someone for something you can use to make it work, whatever that is... But that's not the question. The poster asked for "free".
It's something I've been looking (admittedly not bery hard) for years, but not found anything which would let me send an email or whatnot from an SMS.
I've been getting a bit annoyed with linux recently and the fact linux had a heck of a struggle with my fujitsu-siemens amilo when i bought it pushed me towards FreeBSD.
Initially I tried FreeBSD 5.0 developer-priview 1, which seemed to support *ALL* the hardware on the laptop - nic, usb, pcmcia, gfx, modem, firewire, etc. but then i discovered enlightenment didn't want to play ball, so i tried 4.6-pre.
It worked, but hardware support is flaky. However, it gave me a good reason to learn a lot more about FreeBSD as an os, and for the first time got me hacking around in the kernel (which is a heck of a lot simpler to understand than linux 2.4 kernel). Since then i've managed to get most of the hardware going with the exception of APM and firewire (which I have nothing to test it with yet)
It's an experience I'd recommend to anyone who wants to learn more about the inner workings of a unix kernel and doesn't mind getting their hands dirty so to speak.
perfect for kitchen devices... think about it, you could poll the temperature of your fridge/oven, see how long's left on the washing cycle, and have a dodgy sample played when your roast dinner is cooked!
i haven't looked at it properly yet, but there's a utility in the FreeBSD ports collection called 'netsed' which could be what you're after. Try looking it up on Freshmeat?
I don't know about the situation in the States, but in the UK our skint students would never be able to afford to sue anyone.
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50K/sec - not bad!
It's times like this when mirror.ac.uk crawls to 30Kbytes/sec (usually 8Mbytes/sec on this line) and sunsite hasn't even got it yet, that you've got to wonder if someone should perhaps organise a decent mirroring system
Perhaps a system whereby sysadmins can register to be a mirror site. They'd get their server's IP included in the forward DNS for (say) redhat.mirror.ac.uk, and they'd get a privalidged login to the main mirror.ac.uk servers which give access to files, say 24hrs before their public release.
It would have advantages of:
1. saving mirror.ac.uk from getting quite so crippled
2. saving lots of inter-provider bandwidth
3. SPEED!!!
4. Sysadmins get to mirror as much or as little as they want/can (eg. redhat mirrors need only mirror/sites/ftp.redhat.com/ or even just parts of the individual section)
5. Sysadmins get their distros first as a reward
Slashdot Mirror
equivalently high salaries my arse.
for a UNIX admin to get around 30k in the uk you have to be at the sort of standard where you can debug code, and be a shit hot admin with a bag of experience.
incompetent unix admins come in at the 15-20k mark whereas MCSEs seem to be 20-30k
You don't need to be a programmer to be able to figure out what's causing something to fail and have an attempt at fixing it. Dragging out tcpdump, strace and the like is a daily occurance in a large scale environment, and working for a major european isp i've never seen anybody reinstall a UNIX box because it couldn't be fixed. A making a workaround hack under UNIX is a piece of cake, under windows it is extremely difficult as without source code, you cannot hope to see what the application is doing internally.
To get a UNIX sysadmin job within a reasonably large company nowadays, you need to be good. There's no 2 ways about it. Even the not so skilled UNIX admins I know in the industry are capable of fixing a broken service quickly without having to resort to a reinstall/reboot.
To become an NT admin, you only have to pass an MCSE exam. Most NT admins I have met wouldn't even know how to go about using telnet to make a pop3/smtp/http/etc session, let alone debug an application... not that it's particularly plausible on a windows platform. A reinstall is often a lot simpler than (and usually need in the process of) attempting to find a bug in a windows application, and even then you have to rely on the manufacturer of that software fixing the bug, which won't be within anywhere near the same timescale that 99% of UNIX applications can be repaired in.
If it's more convenient to reboot the machine, then what's the complaint? If it's inconvenient to reboot (which describes 90% of the servers I work on), then find the service and restart it. Hint: Look in the Services console...then right click and Restart. Or, if you prefer the CLI, use net stop/start . For bonus points, you can use the short or long name of the service. What's so difficult about that?
Consider the following scenarios:
1. This was a one-off failure. A UNIX bod would want to know why it failed and then proceed to fix the bug and submit it to the maintainers so it never happened again. An NT bod would reboot the box... and again the following day... and again, until they got bored and decided to reinstall it.
2. This was caused by a problem which for whatever reason prevents the service from restarting. A UNIX bod would have it figured out and fixed in minutes (verbose logfiles, debug options, finally resorting to strace and the like). The mentality of a NT bod would be to try rebooting a few times, then reinstall and hope it works.
Now consider the above bearing in mind the insane amount of servers over at Hotmail. Under UNIX, the bod would fix it on one machine, and have the other 3499 boxes fixed in ~10 minutes by a script (time includes writing the script). Under NT, you're going to be having a lot of fun
have you ever been stuck on a train/coach for several hours? i prefer pulling out my 9210 and playing doom or some random c64 game than staring out of the window bored silly. and before you mention it, 9210s have a stupidly long battery life.
NOC?
:P
Any company putting one of these mothers in a noc is doing something seriously wrong
Server rooms generally look exceptionally impressive to suits anyhow (and often even to t-shirts!). However I do agree that an E10/15k would be a lot easier to pass past accounting departments with the support from the marketing departments that a few cold cathode tubes gains...
There's not many machines short of Crays that have the sort of universal "wow" factor that E10k's have. Why not spend a tiny bit more to impress? Even if it gains a single sale over a Fujitsu or something, with the price of these things it'd be worth Sun putting the extra couple of dollars in on every unit!
i was about to say the same thing myself :)
/. editors came up with the idea that 100k users makes an irc network the biggest... somebody please disagree with me, using logic which will make me think. please.
the only thing of mild interest within this thread is how the
yeah, since posting i've supped and portupgaded (mmm dual athlon xp :), i also had a poke around in the nv code and saw the recognition, which i plonked into the xf86config... still no joy with the pixels tho :(
lets see what nvidia come up with then... *waits*
well yesterday I stuck fbsd (4.6.1-rc2) on a nice quick box with a GeForce4-4400. XFree86-4.2.0 didn't recognise the gfx card, which I had to force it as a "Nvidia 0x0250" (whereas dmesg plainly reports it as nothing more than "Nvidia 0x0251". It works, but it likes to throw random pixels about the screen, usually black ones amongst text making it difficult to read :/
I've cvsup'd and I'm currently in the process of portupgrade -a in a vain attempt to get something more legible...
What everyone seems to be missing is the real usefulness of this, which is indoors.
Would you as a company rather have your employees wandering around your site running up silly bills on their company mobile phones, or have all calls from within the site routed through your nice cheap switchboard?
Also I work in a datacentre which seems to have just as much metal as brick in the walls. Wireless VoIP phones are excellent in that you can walk over to a server room and work on a server whilst talking to someone due to the provision of WAPs within the building. With GSM and 'landlines', this would be impossible.
What's so stupid?
If the poster had asked for an email-to-sms gateway then yes, it would be stupid. But look at the title. "SMS to Internet".
You do a search and you get kannel. OK, so you've got a box and installed kannel on it. Now what do you do? You pay a lot of money to someone for something you can use to make it work, whatever that is... But that's not the question. The poster asked for "free".
It's something I've been looking (admittedly not bery hard) for years, but not found anything which would let me send an email or whatnot from an SMS.
I've been getting a bit annoyed with linux recently and the fact linux had a heck of a struggle with my fujitsu-siemens amilo when i bought it pushed me towards FreeBSD.
Initially I tried FreeBSD 5.0 developer-priview 1, which seemed to support *ALL* the hardware on the laptop - nic, usb, pcmcia, gfx, modem, firewire, etc. but then i discovered enlightenment didn't want to play ball, so i tried 4.6-pre.
It worked, but hardware support is flaky. However, it gave me a good reason to learn a lot more about FreeBSD as an os, and for the first time got me hacking around in the kernel (which is a heck of a lot simpler to understand than linux 2.4 kernel). Since then i've managed to get most of the hardware going with the exception of APM and firewire (which I have nothing to test it with yet)
It's an experience I'd recommend to anyone who wants to learn more about the inner workings of a unix kernel and doesn't mind getting their hands dirty so to speak.
perfect for kitchen devices... think about it, you could poll the temperature of your fridge/oven, see how long's left on the washing cycle, and have a dodgy sample played when your roast dinner is cooked!
if only it were so simple *sigh*
wouldn't kids.us be a second-level domain to the tld .us ?
being able to knock up a full gui application in just a couple of lines of basic...
:) piss easy :)
basic too slow? simply code the bits that need speed in arm code
One word: support.
When you buy a pre-packaged linux distro, you get official support on it whereas when you download, you have Google...
they're PLASTIC!!! :(
ncftp ...reeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386 > get 5.0-DP1-install.iso
:D
:)
5.0-DP1-install.iso: 644.66 MB 7.11 MB/s
100Mbit to the desktop baby
(and yes, this was from a WAN link not LAN)
working for an isp does have its distinct advantages
I remember thinking to myself "hmm, MP3 playback is skipping a little"...
When I was sat behind a 486DX2/66 running Win3.1
simply 'strings WordDocument.doc | less'
I'm in the same boat, doing 7pm-7am monitoring for a major european ISP. Fun, eh?
i haven't looked at it properly yet, but there's a utility in the FreeBSD ports collection called 'netsed' which could be what you're after. Try looking it up on Freshmeat?
How about picking up a cheap 486, installing it in a secure/hidden place and running a webcam(s) to it.
:)
You'll be looking at something consoderably more powerful than a 486 for a couple of reasons.
1. Most webcams require USB ports
2. A 486 most likely won't be able to do motion detection very effectively.
but hey, no-name duron/celeron base systems only come in at a couple of hundred quid anyhow
I don't know about the situation in the States, but in the UK our skint students would never be able to afford to sue anyone.
50K/sec - not bad!
/sites/ftp.redhat.com/ or even just parts of the individual section)
It's times like this when mirror.ac.uk crawls to 30Kbytes/sec (usually 8Mbytes/sec on this line) and sunsite hasn't even got it yet, that you've got to wonder if someone should perhaps organise a decent mirroring system
Perhaps a system whereby sysadmins can register to be a mirror site. They'd get their server's IP included in the forward DNS for (say) redhat.mirror.ac.uk, and they'd get a privalidged login to the main mirror.ac.uk servers which give access to files, say 24hrs before their public release.
It would have advantages of:
1. saving mirror.ac.uk from getting quite so crippled
2. saving lots of inter-provider bandwidth
3. SPEED!!!
4. Sysadmins get to mirror as much or as little as they want/can (eg. redhat mirrors need only mirror
5. Sysadmins get their distros first as a reward
Suppose you've got your average gamer
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