Some people argue that they download prated music because they just want a few hit songs - they don't want to buy the whole album. Unlike CD's (as the RIAA claims), movie downloading has not seemed to impact DVD sales. I think one reason is that if you like a movie, you probably want the whole thing. Except for skit movies, like Jackass, there's not much reason to download 1/10 of a movie. But now that you cannot just buy a $18 DVD of Temple of Doom, and you would need to spend $65 to get the other ones which you don't want, might you be more prone to downloading the single movie?
6. Agree to "help" them survey the extend of the problem for 6 months then claim that after 6 months you have new staff and no one knew about that survey.
thanks for helping me spew orange juice all over my screen!
The IBM Deskstar I bought to replace the drive in my Thinkpad is *very* noisy. It makes the drive I took out sound practically silent. And that's just the spin noise, not the seek noise.
My old Acer extensa 368d sounds like a drinking fountain that's in cooling mode.
...this should make frantic arm waving to get their attention a thing of the past.
Well, that's it. The last trace of human exercise has finally been eliminated by technology. Actually, it would have been nice if a computer could have thought up and typed this reply for me...
but as someone said in a previous post, the idea of an open design controller, which people could build themselves or write software to emulate it on their keyboard is really intriguing:-)
Would there have to be a few different standard models? One for flight sims, one for racing games, one for fps's? I can't imagine a single controller design that would be ideal for all three of these games at once. Racing games are best with a steering wheel, and fps's don't need a steering wheel.
Yes it is. You pay students $7/hr to work in the labs.
that's exactly what my school did (although we only had two small labs, so we used a central helpdesk). The technical education that your students get from a helpdesk by either working there or utilizing it as a customer is immeasurable.
I mean how hard is it to gather up a bunch of freelance liberal reporters to write some great articles each week?
Yet, why would the CEO do this? He won't be respected if he tries to start a new news company; investors would just say, "no way, that's the guy that screwed up with salon." I love salons articles, for the most part, but I have no pity for them. Salon goes, some other liberal news site will show up.
What about the person who drives round to the shop 10 mins away by foot?
This happens only in areas where parking is easy to come by... try that in NYC, where you lose your parking spot as soon as you drive out of it, and you'll learn real quick to just walk to the shop. And the lazy people who do this aren't the type who'll want to lug a 76 pound scooter down a few flights of stairs. Car keys are a lot lighter.
How about for Uni/college students to and from dorms?
How many college students can afford a $5,000 scooter? I'd rather have a $3,000 used car that I can drive with friends than a $5,000 one person scooter.
Ford's service is making cars. Are you saying that Ford has a moral obligation to give me one, even though I haven't paid for it?
No, that's not the issue. It's not a crime for you not to have a car. But keeping quiet about an outbreak could be constituted as Criminal Neglect.
If a company makes vaccines/medicines for a certain virus, and for some reason they notice a possible minor outbreak in a small town, they must inform authorities of the outbreak. They are not allowed to allow the outbreak to spread, even though that would be more profitable since the demand for their product would rise, or even Racketeering.
I guess I should have said "the USA shouldn't start a war for profit". In fact, other than the civil war, we haven't ever started a war, especially a pre-emptive war (vietnam was an extension of the ongoing economical/political war between capitalism and communism). You're correct, though, that we often (always) consider economics a major factor in our decision to go to war. In the past, it was "can we afford to join this war?" or "morally, are we responsible for joining one side of an existing war". With the pending new gulf war, it feels like bush is thinking "can we profit from this war?". The whole anti-terrorism thing may be valid, but it's just a front. Bush and his father have been eyeing iraqi oil fields for more than a decade now. There are lots of dictators who do horrible things to their country and people and others, but not all of them have oil fields.
...whine and whine about the military spending without realizing that all that will be made back and MORE once we get our hands on [their] oil. Think about it as an investment in the future!
That's probably exactly what Saddam thought when he invaded Kuwait...
We're not mercenaries...USA doesn't go to war with profit in mind; not officially anyways. Well, at least we didn't before we got a CEO President with an oil addiction.
In nearly every near future sci-fi book I've read, space is the next major industrial/ technological revolution that the earth experiences.
Unfortunately, it's not up to a single person to determine what a producer charges for its goods, it's up to the entire market. But a boycott is a good way to start, and it's about all one person can do.
So if you don't think that the music you're getting for $15 or $20, don't buy it. No one's forcing anyone to listen to big RIAA bands. Buying a $20 CD is just admitting that the artist's music and his producer's marketing have been good enough that you decided you'd rather have the CD than a $20 bill.
Don't try to give any monopoly arguments, or arguments that "the entire music industry" is causing this, because there's plenty of free and low cost, high quality music out there.
The cost structure of CD's is now and has always been ridiculous.
How is it any different than any other industry? If a large group of dairy farmers could sell milk for $100 a bottle, then they would. And they could, if they could somehow market their milk as being so far superior to other producers' milk; make their milk sexier, more glamorous, and full of fame and celebrity; just as the Recording Industry has done for those they decide to make into Superstar artists.
And the public is willing to pay to own an album made by a Corporate Superstar. Maybe you're not (and I'm not either:-)), so if you still want music than buy albums from cheaper, lesser known artists. If you like Rock music (or blues or jazz or anything popular in your part of the country), you can go to a bar or club and hear great live rock music for under $10. And you can buy their CD for about $10 as well. So for the cost of a $20 corporate CD + $50 corporate concert ticket = $70 corporate experience, you could go to a different bar/club and buy a new CD for three straight weekends, meet a lot more people, and, in your own way, stick it to the recording industry.
Or, you could make friends with that guy you know who plays guitar, and get to see his band's concerts and get his CD's for free!
I think it's pointless to make a blanket statement that the cracker is never (or always) responsible for the extra work to the company, and I withdraw the blanket statements I made earlier in the thread. Each case is different, with its own background and reasoning. Probably best to handle these things on a case-by-case basis, which is precisely why we have the courts, and the juries.
I totally agree; I just believe there should be legislative standards to guide judges and juries in their decisions, because cyber-trespassing or break-in is very different than non-cyber. To treat cyber crimes as regular crimes is like comparing apples and oranges. Judicial code should establish a standard penalty for breaking into a certain class of website, or something like that, to protect the companies. Similarly, limits must be set, because otherwise what's to stop the company from hiring an extra few of their friends at high consultant salaries to "help clean up the cyber-terrorist's mess" and sticking the hacker with the bill?
How does tetris take more thinking than snood? Tetris takes pattern recognition and quick thinking, and snood does as well. Tetris uses shape geometry, snood uses angle geometry. And let me tell you, I've faded out playing tetris as often as any other puzzle game.
I agree that the majority of cyber break-ins leave a logical "bomb" in the form of a trojan or backdoor, and that the majority of physical break-ins do not leave a bomb. But many cyber break-ins are merely "hey look what I did" actions, just as that kid in Hackers where he downloaded a garbage file just to prove he'd been somewhere.
But for a person who broke into a webserver and did not do any damage or read/steal any sensitive data, why is that person liable for all the follow-up that the company decides to take? So this person is, although not guilty, still responsible by association because of what other cyber-intruders tend to do? We just shove those who commit misdemeanors in the same class as the ones who commit felonies, because the majority commit felonies?
The thing is, if you find someone who has strayed into an office building past security, but doesn't appear to be attacking anything, you don't call in the bomb squad 'just to make sure' he didn't leave a bomb in the building. You don't call in an exterminator just to be sure he didn't release a thousand cockroaches into the walls, even though he had the cabability of doing so, since he completely snuck past their security. I'm just worried that judges and lawmakers, who don't understand the technology involved and only trust the defendant company's opinion of what damage was caused, are going to treat every minor security breach as a mega-break-in; which they obviously wouldn't do for a brick-and-mortar breaking.
When someone breaks into walmart and steals a few shirts, do they quarantine the area and bring in a bomb squad, biological weapons squad, and shut the place down a for a few days? Why not? Do they check that no one installed a hidden camera in the ceiling above the register so they could record people's credit card numbers?
IF they did do all this, would it be reasonable to go and sue the thief for all the trouble he caused them? Shouldn't walmart be responsible for not taking adequate action in the first place? Maybe the website that got hacked should have had a backup server which was completely independent and locked down from the outside world, so it was known to be good and pure, so downtime would be minimized?
[why do] people have network jacks everywhere but no phone jacks? I'm assuming you have a landline because you have DSL, but maybe I'm wrong. You could just kludge your network jack and steal the brown pair (7&8) for a phone line.
I'm guessing it'd be very nice to use your TiVo on your existing residential wireless ethernet network, rather than run a phone cord to it. So you could use a usb->wireless ethernet adapter instead of a telephone cable.
It will still depend on the resolution at which TiVo stores the video, no matter what the original quality was for the master transmission.
Using the same compression algorithm to get the same file size, the better video quality you start with, the better the compressed version will be.
If TiVo stored the HDTV stream uncompressed, then that would take a heck of a lot more storage space, even more than DVD video takes on a 4.7 gb DVD (about 3 DVD hours=4.7 gb?).
You can get personalized weather, stocks, news and more for FREE from any number of web portals.
If you have a wireless ethernet (not mobile ethernet) card in your PDA, you can use a PDA web browser to view the internet for no additional cost (other than your regular ISP costs).
And microsoft wants to make you pay $5-$12 per month to instead use a watch to do the same thing? I would consider paying that if the watch would be able to roam as widely as a good cell phone, but I cannot see why anyone would pay MS a monthly fee to use their own hardware (computer, residential wireless network or dedicated computer-to-watch wireless router) and their own paid ISP just to use a smaller, wristwatch sized PDA.
And since it's MS, we can be SURE that the standard used to transmit this simple and common weather/stocks/news information will be proprietary and restricted, so no one can offer the same service for free. I hope a company will develop their own watch with an open data standard, perhaps a XML/miniXSL-based weather/stocks/news data format. This kind of thing could be so good, and so widely accepted, as long as it doesn't have a ridiculous monthly fee.
Alright, we apparently had some idiot moderators on this article... although it was an interesting detail, they modded EVERY reference to this $20 document charge down as Redundant (every reference that wasn't already at zero from an AC).
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Some people argue that they download prated music because they just want a few hit songs - they don't want to buy the whole album. Unlike CD's (as the RIAA claims), movie downloading has not seemed to impact DVD sales. I think one reason is that if you like a movie, you probably want the whole thing. Except for skit movies, like Jackass, there's not much reason to download 1/10 of a movie. But now that you cannot just buy a $18 DVD of Temple of Doom, and you would need to spend $65 to get the other ones which you don't want, might you be more prone to downloading the single movie?
theater releases are where most movies make their big money
actually, they make more of their revenue from video/dvd sales and rentals and movie-related products than they do from theater ticket sales.
CD's don't have theatrical runs.
Movies don't give concerts.
6. Agree to "help" them survey the extend of the problem for 6 months then claim that after 6 months you have new staff and no one knew about that survey.
thanks for helping me spew orange juice all over my screen!
The IBM Deskstar I bought to replace the drive in my Thinkpad is *very* noisy. It makes the drive I took out sound practically silent. And that's just the spin noise, not the seek noise.
My old Acer extensa 368d sounds like a drinking fountain that's in cooling mode.
...this should make frantic arm waving to get their attention a thing of the past.
Well, that's it. The last trace of human exercise has finally been eliminated by technology. Actually, it would have been nice if a computer could have thought up and typed this reply for me...
Ack! A meager attempt at a bad joke shot down by a statistician... What are the chances of that?!
:-)
I'd say the chances are somewhere between 37.19% and 39.74%; except when taking into account the standard deviation of...
I used to say "if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide".
Until we have a government that abides by that saying themselves, they can't use it as a reason for taking away my civil rights.
but as someone said in a previous post, the idea of an open design controller, which people could build themselves or write software to emulate it on their keyboard is really intriguing :-)
Would there have to be a few different standard models? One for flight sims, one for racing games, one for fps's? I can't imagine a single controller design that would be ideal for all three of these games at once. Racing games are best with a steering wheel, and fps's don't need a steering wheel.
Yes it is. You pay students $7/hr to work in the labs.
that's exactly what my school did (although we only had two small labs, so we used a central helpdesk). The technical education that your students get from a helpdesk by either working there or utilizing it as a customer is immeasurable.
Exactly.
I mean how hard is it to gather up a bunch of freelance liberal reporters to write some great articles each week?
Yet, why would the CEO do this? He won't be respected if he tries to start a new news company; investors would just say, "no way, that's the guy that screwed up with salon." I love salons articles, for the most part, but I have no pity for them. Salon goes, some other liberal news site will show up.
What about the person who drives round to the shop 10 mins away by foot?
This happens only in areas where parking is easy to come by... try that in NYC, where you lose your parking spot as soon as you drive out of it, and you'll learn real quick to just walk to the shop. And the lazy people who do this aren't the type who'll want to lug a 76 pound scooter down a few flights of stairs. Car keys are a lot lighter.
How about for Uni/college students to and from dorms?
How many college students can afford a $5,000 scooter? I'd rather have a $3,000 used car that I can drive with friends than a $5,000 one person scooter.
Ford's service is making cars. Are you saying that Ford has a moral obligation to give me one, even though I haven't paid for it?
No, that's not the issue. It's not a crime for you not to have a car. But keeping quiet about an outbreak could be constituted as Criminal Neglect.
If a company makes vaccines/medicines for a certain virus, and for some reason they notice a possible minor outbreak in a small town, they must inform authorities of the outbreak. They are not allowed to allow the outbreak to spread, even though that would be more profitable since the demand for their product would rise, or even Racketeering.
I guess I should have said "the USA shouldn't start a war for profit". In fact, other than the civil war, we haven't ever started a war, especially a pre-emptive war (vietnam was an extension of the ongoing economical/political war between capitalism and communism). You're correct, though, that we often (always) consider economics a major factor in our decision to go to war. In the past, it was "can we afford to join this war?" or "morally, are we responsible for joining one side of an existing war". With the pending new gulf war, it feels like bush is thinking "can we profit from this war?". The whole anti-terrorism thing may be valid, but it's just a front. Bush and his father have been eyeing iraqi oil fields for more than a decade now. There are lots of dictators who do horrible things to their country and people and others, but not all of them have oil fields.
...whine and whine about the military spending without realizing that all that will be made back and MORE once we get our hands on [their] oil. Think about it as an investment in the future!
That's probably exactly what Saddam thought when he invaded Kuwait...
We're not mercenaries...USA doesn't go to war with profit in mind; not officially anyways. Well, at least we didn't before we got a CEO President with an oil addiction.
In nearly every near future sci-fi book I've read, space is the next major industrial/ technological revolution that the earth experiences.
Unfortunately, it's not up to a single person to determine what a producer charges for its goods, it's up to the entire market. But a boycott is a good way to start, and it's about all one person can do.
So if you don't think that the music you're getting for $15 or $20, don't buy it. No one's forcing anyone to listen to big RIAA bands. Buying a $20 CD is just admitting that the artist's music and his producer's marketing have been good enough that you decided you'd rather have the CD than a $20 bill.
Don't try to give any monopoly arguments, or arguments that "the entire music industry" is causing this, because there's plenty of free and low cost, high quality music out there.
The cost structure of CD's is now and has always been ridiculous.
How is it any different than any other industry? If a large group of dairy farmers could sell milk for $100 a bottle, then they would. And they could, if they could somehow market their milk as being so far superior to other producers' milk; make their milk sexier, more glamorous, and full of fame and celebrity; just as the Recording Industry has done for those they decide to make into Superstar artists.
And the public is willing to pay to own an album made by a Corporate Superstar. Maybe you're not (and I'm not either:-)), so if you still want music than buy albums from cheaper, lesser known artists. If you like Rock music (or blues or jazz or anything popular in your part of the country), you can go to a bar or club and hear great live rock music for under $10. And you can buy their CD for about $10 as well. So for the cost of a $20 corporate CD + $50 corporate concert ticket = $70 corporate experience, you could go to a different bar/club and buy a new CD for three straight weekends, meet a lot more people, and, in your own way, stick it to the recording industry.
Or, you could make friends with that guy you know who plays guitar, and get to see his band's concerts and get his CD's for free!
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I think it's pointless to make a blanket statement that the cracker is never (or always) responsible for the extra work to the company, and I withdraw the blanket statements I made earlier in the thread. Each case is different, with its own background and reasoning. Probably best to handle these things on a case-by-case basis, which is precisely why we have the courts, and the juries.
I totally agree; I just believe there should be legislative standards to guide judges and juries in their decisions, because cyber-trespassing or break-in is very different than non-cyber. To treat cyber crimes as regular crimes is like comparing apples and oranges. Judicial code should establish a standard penalty for breaking into a certain class of website, or something like that, to protect the companies. Similarly, limits must be set, because otherwise what's to stop the company from hiring an extra few of their friends at high consultant salaries to "help clean up the cyber-terrorist's mess" and sticking the hacker with the bill?
How does tetris take more thinking than snood? Tetris takes pattern recognition and quick thinking, and snood does as well. Tetris uses shape geometry, snood uses angle geometry. And let me tell you, I've faded out playing tetris as often as any other puzzle game.
I agree that the majority of cyber break-ins leave a logical "bomb" in the form of a trojan or backdoor, and that the majority of physical break-ins do not leave a bomb. But many cyber break-ins are merely "hey look what I did" actions, just as that kid in Hackers where he downloaded a garbage file just to prove he'd been somewhere.
But for a person who broke into a webserver and did not do any damage or read/steal any sensitive data, why is that person liable for all the follow-up that the company decides to take? So this person is, although not guilty, still responsible by association because of what other cyber-intruders tend to do? We just shove those who commit misdemeanors in the same class as the ones who commit felonies, because the majority commit felonies?
The thing is, if you find someone who has strayed into an office building past security, but doesn't appear to be attacking anything, you don't call in the bomb squad 'just to make sure' he didn't leave a bomb in the building. You don't call in an exterminator just to be sure he didn't release a thousand cockroaches into the walls, even though he had the cabability of doing so, since he completely snuck past their security. I'm just worried that judges and lawmakers, who don't understand the technology involved and only trust the defendant company's opinion of what damage was caused, are going to treat every minor security breach as a mega-break-in; which they obviously wouldn't do for a brick-and-mortar breaking.
When someone breaks into walmart and steals a few shirts, do they quarantine the area and bring in a bomb squad, biological weapons squad, and shut the place down a for a few days? Why not? Do they check that no one installed a hidden camera in the ceiling above the register so they could record people's credit card numbers?
IF they did do all this, would it be reasonable to go and sue the thief for all the trouble he caused them? Shouldn't walmart be responsible for not taking adequate action in the first place? Maybe the website that got hacked should have had a backup server which was completely independent and locked down from the outside world, so it was known to be good and pure, so downtime would be minimized?
[why do] people have network jacks everywhere but no phone jacks? I'm assuming you have a landline because you have DSL, but maybe I'm wrong. You could just kludge your network jack and steal the brown pair (7&8) for a phone line.
I'm guessing it'd be very nice to use your TiVo on your existing residential wireless ethernet network, rather than run a phone cord to it. So you could use a usb->wireless ethernet adapter instead of a telephone cable.
It will still depend on the resolution at which TiVo stores the video, no matter what the original quality was for the master transmission.
Using the same compression algorithm to get the same file size, the better video quality you start with, the better the compressed version will be.
If TiVo stored the HDTV stream uncompressed, then that would take a heck of a lot more storage space, even more than DVD video takes on a 4.7 gb DVD (about 3 DVD hours=4.7 gb?).
You can get personalized weather, stocks, news and more for FREE from any number of web portals.
If you have a wireless ethernet (not mobile ethernet) card in your PDA, you can use a PDA web browser to view the internet for no additional cost (other than your regular ISP costs).
And microsoft wants to make you pay $5-$12 per month to instead use a watch to do the same thing? I would consider paying that if the watch would be able to roam as widely as a good cell phone, but I cannot see why anyone would pay MS a monthly fee to use their own hardware (computer, residential wireless network or dedicated computer-to-watch wireless router) and their own paid ISP just to use a smaller, wristwatch sized PDA.
And since it's MS, we can be SURE that the standard used to transmit this simple and common weather/stocks/news information will be proprietary and restricted, so no one can offer the same service for free. I hope a company will develop their own watch with an open data standard, perhaps a XML/miniXSL-based weather/stocks/news data format. This kind of thing could be so good, and so widely accepted, as long as it doesn't have a ridiculous monthly fee.
Alright, we apparently had some idiot moderators on this article... although it was an interesting detail, they modded EVERY reference to this $20 document charge down as Redundant (every reference that wasn't already at zero from an AC).