--I lost a *lot* of time when I "saved" a load of files as pdfs, and then got told inkscape couldn't reopen them.--
I got to keep the vectors in the past, Even PhotoShop wouldn't let you do this. It just converts it all to bitmap. Now you may have to use the open PDF stuff instead of the newer 3d PDF's but I can get vectors no other way unless I want to buy Illustrator. Sometimes you can do neat stuff with Ghostscrirpt too, but I can't complain.
So I don't know about NOT loosing everything when I try to go from PDF to desktop cutting plotter R13 dxf's which is an odd way to name things but it works for me when I really need those vectors for a CAD program. So that's odd indeed. Might be a bug.
No, Massachusetts once had that law but I think they repealed it. Washington DC, military bases, and certain commercial vehicles in certain states have also banned the use of radar detectors.
You bring up an interesting point though, because we used to also have confiscation. That was ruled unconstitutional. Believe me, if you have one here turned on the state troopers will find it and the fine is unbelievable. If they just took the radar detector, that would be much cheaper than the fine.
Interestingly though, radar jammers are illegal everywhere while laser jammers are actually legal in some states, but not Virginia, and the Virginia state troopers also have their radar guns set to only 5 miles over the limit. Watch out in Virginia.
--Now, if you could somehow link landing on Mars to beating the terrorists, we could get all the money we need to get this thing done quickly. Until then, though, they can only do things as fast as their ever-shrinking budget will let them.--
You gotta watch out, those terrorists will be on Mars any time now. We gotta get there first so they don't pull any suicide attacks there.
I still don't get why they have two of these? Oh, I remember the Macromedia buyouts. I don't think I have Shockwave installed. I didn't think it was being used anymore.
I know how you can fix this. Move to the gun loving, gun running state of Virginia. It's not too far away. Yeah, and we never have problems with our ultra new traffic lights. No. No way hehehe. (sarcasm)
**On May 8, 2009, AT&T announced it will acquire 79 of the divested wireless properties, including licenses, network assets, and 1.5 million current subscribers, primarily in rural areas across 18 states. Verizon Wireless is required to divest these properties as part of the regulatory approvals granted for its purchase of Alltel.[5]**
They haven't done crap to these towers yet, if ever. Now I have to worry about not getting service period with many dead spots. Of course they got handed this stuff in a last minute deal. Verizon was supposed to have gotten these towers.
They are still CDMA and not even GSM, so it is you that doesn't know what your talking about. In 6 months they have done nothing. Verizon will at least come out to the country where AT & T could care less what your service is once you get out of a major metro area.
--What they should be comparing themselves to is AT&T's EDGE coverage map, which I believe is 100% of AT&T's licensed coverage area--
I believe you are wrong. Those Alltel towers that AT & T ended up with don't have EDGE at least here in the rural areas. I don't like either one of these companies. But you are right Verizon is slow, but they do have voice at least in areas that AT & T doesn't. Bummer:(
--A major reason the 8th air force was able to wreck the Nazi military industrial complex, and more importantly their fuel production from the air (which was easily the part of the bomber campaign that hurt the Nazi armies the most) was the fact that from 1943 onwards the Soviets managed to re-equip their forces with large numbers of modern Soviet designed fighter and bomber designs and those Soviet air forces tied down large numbers of german fighters on the eastern front.--
Hugh, what about fighter escort? The P51.
--The US didn't have tank superiority since, apart form Soviet armor, Allied armor uniformly sucked a**. --
Numerically we did. As far as a T34 being that superior to a Sherman, at least the Sherman all had radios. In 43 at Kursk the Germans could have won and they may have even bee able to win at Stalingrad, but we had a lot of help from Hitler ignoring his generals.
--Ending WWII was just as much due to Soviet air superiority and Soviet tank superiority as it was to US air superiority.--
Just for the war in Europe. Remember, the Russians didn't declare war Japan until after we fire bombed the crap out of them. Air power was a big factor for the US. The Russians, we'll they can afford to use bodies since they have so many.
--If anything defeated the Nazis it was the fact that they over-extended themselves militarily in every way.--
Yes, this is true. If they would have went straight for the oil and left the rest alone for later, who knows how far they would have got.
Yeah, Troy was thought to be a joke at one time. Some of it is made up metaphor and some things are probably fact in these stories. I cn't see where the bible would be any more or less accurate than other writings found from the period.
--Is it a myth that a great many (in the early days almost all) of the rocket engineers involved in building the early NASA rockets and even earlier the U.S. Army rockets were German engineers? Von Braun himself was an SS officer and helped to found the V-2 rocket program at Penemunde. It wasn't just a cursory situation, the V-2 was his design and baby. (I'm sorry, I said V-1 originally, which really wasn't Von Braun's design. My mistake there. The V-2 was all his, however.)--
How early do you mean? I think von Braun himself just wrote a specification for the rocket engines. Someone else designed them at Rocketdyne? OK The rest was done by Germans and Americans, I had thought. If you want to go back far enough, Robert Goddard had this stuff pretty much figured out. He was American. I'm not taking away from their accomplishments but what I am saying is that there were many more engineers from the US working on the project. And... the Redstone is just an extension of the V-2 and the Jupiter C is just an extension of the Redstone. So?
I was referring to the Apollo missions to the moon. NASA wasn't really around as such before 1958 anyhow as such. Most of their guys came over from the NACA. At the time of von Braun's work on the Jupiter C the civilian NACA was working on Vanguard. The Jupiter C was the first American satellite in orbit, because of the two Vanguard failures. Hell, we could have probably launched a satellite before the Russians but there was concern about overflights. The Russians settled that issue with Sputnik. Von Braun's military work was to design ballistic missiles. Those have a different design philosophy that a manned or scientific mission would have. The first on would be not to be in orbit very long and also be able to strike anywhere. Suborbital would be good enough for that task and also give less warning. On the other hand Vanguard I think did manage to place 3 objects in orbit without much help from the Germans and it remains the oldest piece of "space junk" put into orbit by man.
--Gemini rocket had anything to do with the Saturn V design.--
Right if you are talking about the rocket itself. I was referring to the whole program. They had to test things that were going to be done for Apollo like just transferring from one space vehicle to another and how to work in space period. This had never been done before during Gemini.
--Going back to the Moon is a preliminary step, and there are reasons to return to the Moon that have value in and of itself.--
What exactly would that be except maybe to retrieve He3 and some other minerals.
--Going back to the Moon is a preliminary step, and there are reasons to return to the Moon that have value in and of itself. This isn't an attempt to return to the Moon within a decade. Bush openly acknowledged that it would be his successor that would have to take on the more serious issues in terms of what specific kind of project or program would be put together in terms of actually achieving these goals, but that along the way a new vehicle would have to be developed that would at least let future Presidents be able to have option to decide on what to do next.
That Obama can't seem to make a decision on what to do is a problem for Obama and not something to be dumped onto Bush.--
The Bush/Obama thing at this point has got me into this kind of thinking. "Irrelevant" is the word I would use. They talk a different talk but seem to do the same stuff. I really think that maybe we ought to just wait until the rest of the world wants to go to Mars too and do it all together or not do it at all. At this point it seems like it is all PR despite
What I meant to say was that the Apollo program started even before the Gemini missions to clarify.
--I still would like to know what, exactly, was learned and why the next flight (in 2013) that will actually test real hardware instead of this mock-up look-alike wasn't done instead.--
I do agree, I can see where than skip some of these steps now.
--BTW, the first actual flight of the Saturn series rockets was not Apollo 1, but rather AS-201 [wikipedia.org], and that isn't even the first "Saturn" vehicle technically. The first test of the Saturn V was with the Apollo 4 flight.--
Yeah, I had the names reversed for some reason
--First of all, the engineers and designers who made the Saturn V were all engineers and technicians that had decades of experience under their belts, many of whom helped to build the V-1 rockets for Adolph Hitler.--
This a blown up myth. Maybe as far as the rocket design alone was German.
--Comparison to the Apollo 1 aren't even reasonably fair or appropriate here.--
I still think it is because, this step I think, they could have really skipped since like everyone said it has been done before. What I can't really do is lay the blame for this squarely on NASA. I think congress and the president at the time (Bush) wanted to really do IT all over again for the fuzzy warm feelings or something. Now Obama has to decide whether to fish or cut bait. The thing to decide is what is going to be cheaper now to start all over or go from where we are at or to not go out at all.
I still think that we need to quit "short selling" the future of this country for a short term gain.
--I don't think a flight was even necessary to get that to happen.--
I think I always agreed with this but just wanted to know for sure. This does sound like a $450 million SRB test to me. For that amount, why was more stuff not tested. It just appears to be a do over of the Saturn 1 flight with an SRB instead of liquid. That's why this number didn't make sense. Someone else really pointed out that $3 billion has been spent already. "What for?" is the main question now.
You know how politics works though. There could be any and all kinds of "pork" associated with this budget just like not build SRB's closer to the launch site. I know money could be saved there.
--The $445 million was specifically for the Ares I-X.--
Well, it appears you are right. Yeah there's something up with that number for sure.
I also know that NASA gets credit for inventing a lot of things they didn't like Tang and Teflon, but that they didn't get credit for inventing or improving some other things like O2 tanks for fire fighters for instance.
What they are really best at is finding a design and improving it with better materials, and maybe a better shape.
I still wonder who exactly to blame, them or congress or maybe a little of both.
Maybe they should get these guys to help them out.
I totally don't agree exactly. It depends upon what you need. Paint Shop Pro was originally deigned only to edit pixels while PhotoShop was vector based. Now, today they may be more equal but I'm willing to bet that there is some color matching or something that a specific print shop needs to make an accurate reproduction that only PhotoShop has. Otherwise I would judge the GIMP to be better but it doesn't have Pantone color matching for instance. So really I would say it all depends upon what you need it to do.
--The problem with this launch isn't that it met expectations, it is just that the expectations were rather minor, and that the actual engineering benefit that will come from this launch is minimal at best. All that it really proved is that the SRB will launch if NASA wants it to launch.--
I agree they set expectations low, and there is a lot more to do before you could get to the moon or let alone Mars.
--Did the U.S. government have to spend a half billion dollars to figure that out? Are you sure that such an amount wouldn't have been better spent in another way? Why?--
I think there is more than one design involved in the whole program. That's what I was asking, what exactly was that number of $450,000,000 derived from? It just doesn't sound right that all of it went to this specific launch.
--Almost nothing of what you saw yesterday with this launch is going to be used in the final Ares I design as well, with the possible exception of the launch tower.--
True enough, they are following the same path that they did with Apollo 1. It never did much either but then along came the Saturn.
--In other words, this was purely a publicity P.R. stunt. That is the main reason for the animosity by myself and a few others.--
I wouldn't doubt it, but just maybe they are trying to go with a modular approach this time. Of course without a "space race" it probably makes a bad plan for future funding.
One More Thing. The SRB at the base came from existing shuttle inventory but was modified. That is what is known as sunk cost. So this launch at least made use of this.
Now the $445 million price tag may be from development that has been done already for the entire program. It is true that a Delta IV would be about $10 million or so, but these aren't man rated. To get to that level with anything is costly. Lots of things have to be designed and built that you wouldn't need otherwise like the LES for instance. Space suits aren't cheap. Way more redundancy to lower the failure rate and so on. So maybe someone has to decide if we really want to keep doing manned missions or not. I know the Russians can man rate their stuff cheaper but they kill off more people at first to figure out how. So I guess if you want to make it cheaper, human life has to be sacrificed for that convenience.
Really, the shuttle didn't get approved by Nixon because it was cheaper but because NASA told him in secret that we could bring back Russian spy satellites with it. That was a real selling point back then, but compromises were made, but that was and still is one good reason to have something like that, to bring big stuff back here.
You never know what you might find out there until you look.
--All the government had to do was actually enforce the measures they enacted and we wouldn't be having this conversation. So yes, while the companies are definitely in the wrong for essentially embezzling the money, the politicians who gave them the money and then let them just pocket it are even more in the wrong.--
Yep, where we are at we are still paying taxes since the 80's for 911 service. We live in the US and still don't have this despite renaming all of the roads to names instead of numbers. Local government at it's finest.
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Yeah, and Blender will do things nothing else will including 3ds.
--I lost a *lot* of time when I "saved" a load of files as pdfs, and then got told inkscape couldn't reopen them.--
I got to keep the vectors in the past, Even PhotoShop wouldn't let you do this. It just converts it all to bitmap. Now you may have to use the open PDF stuff instead of the newer 3d PDF's but I can get vectors no other way unless I want to buy Illustrator. Sometimes you can do neat stuff with Ghostscrirpt too, but I can't complain.
So I don't know about NOT loosing everything when I try to go from PDF to desktop cutting plotter R13 dxf's which is an odd way to name things but it works for me when I really need those vectors for a CAD program. So that's odd indeed. Might be a bug.
No, Massachusetts once had that law but I think they repealed it. Washington DC, military bases, and certain commercial vehicles in certain states have also banned the use of radar detectors.
You bring up an interesting point though, because we used to also have confiscation. That was ruled unconstitutional. Believe me, if you have one here turned on the state troopers will find it and the fine is unbelievable. If they just took the radar detector, that would be much cheaper than the fine.
Interestingly though, radar jammers are illegal everywhere while laser jammers are actually legal in some states, but not Virginia, and the Virginia state troopers also have their radar guns set to only 5 miles over the limit. Watch out in Virginia.
Hypothesis: There are multiple birds. Birds eat multiple times. Birds have to do #2 multiple times because they eat multiple times.
Alternative hypothesis: Bird po came through another universe. Obviously we can't see it, measure it, etc.
3rd hypothesis: The LHC is switched on and someone smells the smell of burning bird po. Pe-ew!
The oxen is slow but the earth is patient.
I will shave you with Occam's razor. He gave it to me.
Yeah, too bad, hugh.
--Now, if you could somehow link landing on Mars to beating the terrorists, we could get all the money we need to get this thing done quickly. Until then, though, they can only do things as fast as their ever-shrinking budget will let them.--
You gotta watch out, those terrorists will be on Mars any time now. We gotta get there first so they don't pull any suicide attacks there.
I still don't get why they have two of these? Oh, I remember the Macromedia buyouts. I don't think I have Shockwave installed. I didn't think it was being used anymore.
I know how you can fix this. Move to the gun loving, gun running state of Virginia. It's not too far away. Yeah, and we never have problems with our ultra new traffic lights. No. No way hehehe. (sarcasm)
Maybe they could turn it off and back on and it would work?
I highly doubt it.
Wish I had points today because I think you are correct. It was a big deal in 97. The first console shooter that was fun IMO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenEye_007
Dating advice on /. ? What IS the world coming to?
They haven't upgraded or offered a plan on the towers that they have from Alltel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alltel
**On May 8, 2009, AT&T announced it will acquire 79 of the divested wireless properties, including licenses, network assets, and 1.5 million current subscribers, primarily in rural areas across 18 states. Verizon Wireless is required to divest these properties as part of the regulatory approvals granted for its purchase of Alltel.[5]**
They haven't done crap to these towers yet, if ever. Now I have to worry about not getting service period with many dead spots. Of course they got handed this stuff in a last minute deal. Verizon was supposed to have gotten these towers.
They are still CDMA and not even GSM, so it is you that doesn't know what your talking about. In 6 months they have done nothing. Verizon will at least come out to the country where AT & T could care less what your service is once you get out of a major metro area.
--What they should be comparing themselves to is AT&T's EDGE coverage map, which I believe is 100% of AT&T's licensed coverage area--
I believe you are wrong. Those Alltel towers that AT & T ended up with don't have EDGE at least here in the rural areas. I don't like either one of these companies. But you are right Verizon is slow, but they do have voice at least in areas that AT & T doesn't. Bummer :(
--A major reason the 8th air force was able to wreck the Nazi military industrial complex, and more importantly their fuel production from the air (which was easily the part of the bomber campaign that hurt the Nazi armies the most) was the fact that from 1943 onwards the Soviets managed to re-equip their forces with large numbers of modern Soviet designed fighter and bomber designs and those Soviet air forces tied down large numbers of german fighters on the eastern front.--
Hugh, what about fighter escort? The P51.
--The US didn't have tank superiority since, apart form Soviet armor, Allied armor uniformly sucked a**. --
Numerically we did. As far as a T34 being that superior to a Sherman, at least the Sherman all had radios. In 43 at Kursk the Germans could have won and they may have even bee able to win at Stalingrad, but we had a lot of help from Hitler ignoring his generals.
--Ending WWII was just as much due to Soviet air superiority and Soviet tank superiority as it was to US air superiority.--
Just for the war in Europe. Remember, the Russians didn't declare war Japan until after we fire bombed the crap out of them. Air power was a big factor for the US. The Russians, we'll they can afford to use bodies since they have so many.
--If anything defeated the Nazis it was the fact that they over-extended themselves militarily in every way.--
Yes, this is true. If they would have went straight for the oil and left the rest alone for later, who knows how far they would have got.
Yeah, Troy was thought to be a joke at one time. Some of it is made up metaphor and some things are probably fact in these stories. I cn't see where the bible would be any more or less accurate than other writings found from the period.
Slashdot user D: Who cares?
--Is it a myth that a great many (in the early days almost all) of the rocket engineers involved in building the early NASA rockets and even earlier the U.S. Army rockets were German engineers? Von Braun himself was an SS officer and helped to found the V-2 rocket program at Penemunde. It wasn't just a cursory situation, the V-2 was his design and baby. (I'm sorry, I said V-1 originally, which really wasn't Von Braun's design. My mistake there. The V-2 was all his, however.)--
How early do you mean? I think von Braun himself just wrote a specification for the rocket engines. Someone else designed them at Rocketdyne? OK The rest was done by Germans and Americans, I had thought. If you want to go back far enough, Robert Goddard had this stuff pretty much figured out. He was American. I'm not taking away from their accomplishments but what I am saying is that there were many more engineers from the US working on the project. And... the Redstone is just an extension of the V-2 and the Jupiter C is just an extension of the Redstone. So?
I was referring to the Apollo missions to the moon. NASA wasn't really around as such before
1958 anyhow as such. Most of their guys came over from the NACA. At the time of von Braun's work on the Jupiter C the civilian NACA was working on Vanguard. The Jupiter C was the first American satellite in orbit, because of the two Vanguard failures. Hell, we could have probably launched a satellite before the Russians but there was concern about overflights. The Russians settled that issue with Sputnik. Von Braun's military work was to design ballistic missiles. Those have a different design philosophy that a manned or scientific mission would have. The first on would be not to be in orbit very long and also be able to strike anywhere. Suborbital would be good enough for that task and also give less warning. On the other hand Vanguard I think did manage to place 3 objects in orbit without much help from the Germans and it remains the oldest piece of "space junk" put into orbit by man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard_1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Advisory_Committee_for_Aeronautics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard_(rocket)
--Gemini rocket had anything to do with the Saturn V design.--
Right if you are talking about the rocket itself. I was referring to the whole program. They had to test things that were going to be done for Apollo like just transferring from one space vehicle to another and how to work in space period. This had never been done before during Gemini.
--Going back to the Moon is a preliminary step, and there are reasons to return to the Moon that have value in and of itself.--
What exactly would that be except maybe to retrieve He3 and some other minerals.
--Going back to the Moon is a preliminary step, and there are reasons to return to the Moon that have value in and of itself. This isn't an attempt to return to the Moon within a decade. Bush openly acknowledged that it would be his successor that would have to take on the more serious issues in terms of what specific kind of project or program would be put together in terms of actually achieving these goals, but that along the way a new vehicle would have to be developed that would at least let future Presidents be able to have option to decide on what to do next.
That Obama can't seem to make a decision on what to do is a problem for Obama and not something to be dumped onto Bush.--
The Bush/Obama thing at this point has got me into this kind of thinking. "Irrelevant" is the word I would use. They talk a different talk but seem to do the same stuff. I really think that maybe we ought to just wait until the rest of the world wants to go to Mars too and do it all together or not do it at all. At this point it seems like it is all PR despite
--Apollo 1 was going to be a manned flight, but didn't go up because they ended up killing the astronauts involved.--
I think you have Saturn 1 mixed up with Apollo 1 or maybe I did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_I
Anyhow the program started before those 3 astronauts died on the pad and you can't forget why they did the Gemini missions and so on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gemini
What I meant to say was that the Apollo program started even before the Gemini missions to clarify.
--I still would like to know what, exactly, was learned and why the next flight (in 2013) that will actually test real hardware instead of this mock-up look-alike wasn't done instead.--
I do agree, I can see where than skip some of these steps now.
--BTW, the first actual flight of the Saturn series rockets was not Apollo 1, but rather AS-201 [wikipedia.org], and that isn't even the first "Saturn" vehicle technically. The first test of the Saturn V was with the Apollo 4 flight.--
Yeah, I had the names reversed for some reason
--First of all, the engineers and designers who made the Saturn V were all engineers and technicians that had decades of experience under their belts, many of whom helped to build the V-1 rockets for Adolph Hitler.--
This a blown up myth. Maybe as far as the rocket design alone was German.
--Comparison to the Apollo 1 aren't even reasonably fair or appropriate here.--
I still think it is because, this step I think, they could have really skipped since like everyone said it has been done before. What I can't really do is lay the blame for this squarely on NASA. I think congress and the president at the time (Bush) wanted to really do IT all over again for the fuzzy warm feelings or something. Now Obama has to decide whether to fish or cut bait. The thing to decide is what is going to be cheaper now to start all over or go from where we are at or to not go out at all.
I still think that we need to quit "short selling" the future of this country for a short term gain.
--I don't think a flight was even necessary to get that to happen.--
I think I always agreed with this but just wanted to know for sure. This does sound like a $450 million SRB test to me. For that amount, why was more stuff not tested. It just appears to be a do over of the Saturn 1 flight with an SRB instead of liquid. That's why this number didn't make sense. Someone else really pointed out that $3 billion has been spent already. "What for?" is the main question now.
You know how politics works though. There could be any and all kinds of "pork" associated with this budget just like not build SRB's closer to the launch site. I know money could be saved there.
--The $445 million was specifically for the Ares I-X.--
Well, it appears you are right. Yeah there's something up with that number for sure.
I also know that NASA gets credit for inventing a lot of things they didn't like Tang and Teflon, but that they didn't get credit for inventing or improving some other things like O2 tanks for fire fighters for instance.
What they are really best at is finding a design and improving it with better materials, and maybe a better shape.
I still wonder who exactly to blame, them or congress or maybe a little of both.
Maybe they should get these guys to help them out.
http://www.porsche-design.com/live/deutsch_en.PorscheDesign
Pure Functional-Innovative Products for Men. I like the sound of that. Thanks for the information.
I totally don't agree exactly. It depends upon what you need. Paint Shop Pro was originally deigned only to edit pixels while PhotoShop was vector based. Now, today they may be more equal but I'm willing to bet that there is some color matching or something that a specific print shop needs to make an accurate reproduction that only PhotoShop has. Otherwise I would judge the GIMP to be better but it doesn't have Pantone color matching for instance. So really I would say it all depends upon what you need it to do.
--The problem with this launch isn't that it met expectations, it is just that the expectations were rather minor, and that the actual engineering benefit that will come from this launch is minimal at best. All that it really proved is that the SRB will launch if NASA wants it to launch.--
I agree they set expectations low, and there is a lot more to do before you could get to the moon or let alone Mars.
--Did the U.S. government have to spend a half billion dollars to figure that out? Are you sure that such an amount wouldn't have been better spent in another way? Why?--
I think there is more than one design involved in the whole program. That's what I was asking, what exactly was that number of $450,000,000 derived from? It just doesn't sound right that all of it went to this specific launch.
--Almost nothing of what you saw yesterday with this launch is going to be used in the final Ares I design as well, with the possible exception of the launch tower.--
True enough, they are following the same path that they did with Apollo 1. It never did much either but then along came the Saturn.
--In other words, this was purely a publicity P.R. stunt. That is the main reason for the animosity by myself and a few others.--
I wouldn't doubt it, but just maybe they are trying to go with a modular approach this time. Of course without a "space race" it probably makes a bad plan for future funding.
One More Thing. The SRB at the base came from existing shuttle inventory but was modified. That is what is known as sunk cost. So this launch at least made use of this.
Now the $445 million price tag may be from development that has been done already for the entire program. It is true that a Delta IV would be about $10 million or so, but these aren't man rated. To get to that level with anything is costly. Lots of things have to be designed and built that you wouldn't need otherwise like the LES for instance. Space suits aren't cheap. Way more redundancy to lower the failure rate and so on. So maybe someone has to decide if we really want to keep doing manned missions or not. I know the Russians can man rate their stuff cheaper but they kill off more people at first to figure out how. So I guess if you want to make it cheaper, human life has to be sacrificed for that convenience.
Really, the shuttle didn't get approved by Nixon because it was cheaper but because NASA told him in secret that we could bring back Russian spy satellites with it. That was a real selling point back then, but compromises were made, but that was and still is one good reason to have something like that, to bring big stuff back here.
You never know what you might find out there until you look.
--All the government had to do was actually enforce the measures they enacted and we wouldn't be having this conversation. So yes, while the companies are definitely in the wrong for essentially embezzling the money, the politicians who gave them the money and then let them just pocket it are even more in the wrong.--
Yep, where we are at we are still paying taxes since the 80's for 911 service. We live in the US and still don't have this despite renaming all of the roads to names instead of numbers. Local government at it's finest.
--But I think the main issue is that Scientology is not considered a religion, it's considered a cult.--
That is the issue I have, is how you determine one from another. One mans cult can be an-others religion. So it is a tricky issue.