PSone Diablo doesn't suck...the default controls suck (and some people don't know you can change them. Simply change movement from "Absolute" to "Relative" then enable "Combo Button"...that'll do the trick.
Did your friend have the PSone mouse? Warcraft II was designed to be played with that.
Besides...there have been an absolute horde of Diablo clones on the various consoles over the past decade. The gameplay works and controls are not an issue.
And let us not forget all those Diablo clones on the PS2 that D3 resembles, and borrowed ideas from. BGDA had ripply water in a Diablo clone on the PS2...nine years ago. Health orbs? Marvel Ultimate Alliance. PS2/PS3. You might have read they thought of implementing combo character attacks, like a barbarian throwing a monk, fastball special style......that was in X-Men Legends on the PS2.
There's not much new in D3 to us console folks, and them hemming and hawing on doing a version for us....is insulting, especially since Blizzard was once a console centric dev house..Personally I believe the reason that D2 never got a PS2 port was that Snowblind's first PS2 Diablo-clone, released only 1 year after D2...showed up Blizzard tech-wise. They simply couldn't release D2 on the PS2, looking like that after BGDA came out.
No, it's not. Roguelikes are by definition, turn based. Now admittedly D1 was inpired by roguelikes, and they played around with making it turn based, but decided not to.
PSone: Diablo, Darkstone. PS2: Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance I and II, Champions of Norrath 1 and 2, X-Men Legends 1 and 2, Fallout BrotherHood of Steel, Hunter the Reckoning, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 and 2 Justice League Heroes.
In fact, D3 looks pretty much just like a Snowblind Engine game...google footage of BGDA or Champions of Norrath and you'll see the resemblance right off. In fact PS2 owners played a game very similar to D3....9 years ago.
Gygax is back stabbed by the company he created, TSR. All the talent is now gone.
Gygax was a hack, a talented hack, but a hack nonetheless. He deserved to get kicked from TSR to let some REAL writers take over. Ever read his "Gord the Mary Sue" I mean, "Gord the Rogue" books?
A lot of the dumb, cumbersome shit that slowed down the game so much that it was never actually used was in there because of him. And D&D got a lot more flack than it deserved from parents groups and whatnot because of a lot of the stupid stuff he put in there as silly nerd jokes, like the harlot encounter table or nudity in game art.
True, but unlike say, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, etc. California pays for itself federal wise just like Illiniois, Massachusets, New York, Connecticut, etc.
In other words, if the south wasn't still leeching of the north over a century after reconstruction, perhaps the Feds could throw some Money California, Illinois, NY, etc way, so they aren't payng for their own infrastructure, and The South's too.
As bad as it sounds, TF2 being PC only* *For the only version that has had updates.
What is up with that? TF2 on the PS3 was actually "more fun" in many ways than games like SOCOM were for me. I am very surprised how little attention the game got and that it received no updates.
Now I understand that Europeans have been anti-console since the Spectrum days due to import tarrifs and whatnot making Atari/Nintendo/Sega/Sony/MS hardware and software more expensive. It's why the Amiga survived in the UK as a platform but died in the US. And that Eastern Europe in particular is full of pirates because they don't have the disposable income, so I'm not going to be too mean...
After all, there are far more PC's then all the consoles combined.
And most of them are low end machines with integrated graphics. that couldn't handle a boxed game as well as a PS3 or 360 could. The vast majority of PC's out there are really only suitable for flash games and facebook games. Maybe some of those cheap ass click the hot spot nancy drew/explore the mummy's tomb as well.
On what are you reading this message? Your console? Didn't think so.
Now I understand as an anti-console european you might not be vamiliar with console capabilities, but Where have you been the past half decade? Both the PS3 and the Wii have web browsers, as do Sony and Nintendo's portable platforms. So yes, people could read Slashdot on their consoles. I've done it on ocassion.
Console owners have PC's but many a PC owner has no console.
That might be the case in Europe, but probalby not North America so much.
Games like Deus EX and many other original PC games that moved to consoles and gave the PC crappy ports show that the PC has a need for a more complex but also simpler control interface.
I have a copy of the PS2 port of Deus Ex, it supports keyboard and mouse, though the best way to play it with is with dualshock and mouse.
It sill amazes me to see console games retail for 20 euro's more then the PC version,
That's Europe only. They cost the same here. You're just being penalized for not living in NTSC U/C land. Remember, although Europe is a big market...it's language and culture fragmented, unlike the US and Canada which can be treated as ONE huge market. That increases the costs for publishing in Europe.
Sure, if they ever send some of their people over to the US to do a US based edition. Or they could just simply get a company to print and publish it in the US so they don't have to ship it over!
If you pick up FFXI on the console, you might as well get another keyboard because you are gonna need it. I watched my buddy play FFXI on his XBox, and I won't repeat his mistake.
Of course you're going to want a keyboard. I played EQOA before FFXI and had a keyboard attached to my PS2 from the moment I started the game. Heck, having a keyboard was handy when I setup the network settings when I got the PS2's Network Adapter in August of 2002. Anybody who buys that sort of game should realize that you will want the keyboard for chat...if they don't they're just dumb.
Every console since the Genesis has had a mouse available for it. I can tell you from personal experience that EVERY RTS on the PSone supported the PSone mouse, though they were playable without it.
The recent consoles have USB ports for a reason.
There's a reason why blizzard simply will not do starcraft on a console.
Did you not know about Starcraft on the N64? Or Warcraft II on the PSone for that matter.? Need I remind you that Blizzard was once a console centric developer named Silicon & Synapse. Don't know why they became so PC centric and their higher ups even made anti-console comment at times which seemed strange considering how they got started.
while most xbox fans seem to be "brown shooter of the week" "dudebro gamers", is there not already an MMO on the 360 with DCUO? The PS3 actually has 4, as long as you have a CECH(A/B/E) model. FFXI, EQOA, DCUO, FreeRealms.
Yeah for the Eurotrash pirates who post those rips on Pirate bay. Perhaps the pirstes should stop being so stubborn and do their rips in MPEG4 containers.
I still think that hte reason FFXIII was so linear was because of the 360, requiring multiple discs meant they had to make it more linear like a PS1 FF.
I'm pretty much with you on the "They're Dicks, not Evil" position, and I even had YDL on my PS3. And I also agree the lawsuit lawyers blew it with not mentioning blu-ray's and games.
When 3.21 came out I had a choice, either get a second PS3, or get an X86 box for Linux (I'd actually only run Linux on the PS3 and PS2 before, never on a PC)....I settled for the latter, and updated the PS3, after I transfered my/home over. I just realized that my/home directory still has files and settings from my PS2 Linux days.
On the other hand, it does seem like anyone who updated their firmware without being aware of the change to Other OS status might have a reasonable claim against Sony, assuming that they were not warned ahead of time. I don't have a Playstation, so I don't know how the update process works, but most systems that I have seen tend to say "You need to install this update!" and only give a changelog after you have installed it.
Updating to 3.21 (and I assume to any other firmware from 3.15) is special. It warns you in no uncertain terms that updating will cause you to lose OtherOS and requires that you agree to the update not just once, which is usual, but twice.
So, unless the only thing you actually want to do with your PS3 is use Other OS,
What some people may not realize is that a PS3 with an OtherOS install might actually be mostly useless for games, because of the partitioning schemes.
You had a choice:
10GB for GameOS, the rest for OtherOS or 10GB for OtherOS and the rest for GameOS.
The first cripples gaming and media functionality, the second cripples OtherOS. (some massive compiles will fail if you don't have enough space on OtherOS, which was reported a few times on the YDL forums)
The 3.21 update was special and required that you agreed to it, not just once as is usual for PS3 firmware updates, but TWICE, and tells you in no uncertain terms that updating to it, will remove OtherOS. They were trying hard to prevent accidental updates.
Where was it listed? I know about the open platform page, but as far as I know that page wasn't linked to from the main Playstation site so you'd only go there if you already had heard about OtherOS from some other source.
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PSone Diablo doesn't suck...the default controls suck (and some people don't know you can change them. Simply change movement from "Absolute" to "Relative" then enable "Combo Button"...that'll do the trick.
Did your friend have the PSone mouse? Warcraft II was designed to be played with that.
Besides...there have been an absolute horde of Diablo clones on the various consoles over the past decade. The gameplay works and controls are not an issue.
And let us not forget all those Diablo clones on the PS2 that D3 resembles, and borrowed ideas from. BGDA had ripply water in a Diablo clone on the PS2...nine years ago. Health orbs? Marvel Ultimate Alliance. PS2/PS3. You might have read they thought of implementing combo character attacks, like a barbarian throwing a monk, fastball special style......that was in X-Men Legends on the PS2.
There's not much new in D3 to us console folks, and them hemming and hawing on doing a version for us....is insulting, especially since Blizzard was once a console centric dev house. .Personally I believe the reason that D2 never got a PS2 port was that Snowblind's first PS2 Diablo-clone, released only 1 year after D2...showed up Blizzard tech-wise. They simply couldn't release D2 on the PS2, looking like that after BGDA came out.
This is BGDA, a 2001 PS2 game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8IJusEkQi4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxizxHvQNT0
The cutscenes...use the actual game engine....zoomed in.
Diablo is a rogue-like.
No, it's not. Roguelikes are by definition, turn based. Now admittedly D1 was inpired by roguelikes, and they played around with making it turn based, but decided not to.
The way it was done in:
PSone: Diablo, Darkstone.
PS2: Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance I and II, Champions of Norrath 1 and 2, X-Men Legends 1 and 2, Fallout BrotherHood of Steel, Hunter the Reckoning, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 and 2 Justice League Heroes.
PS2: Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 and 2, Sacred 2, Untold Legends
PSP: Untold Legends 1 and 2.
In fact, D3 looks pretty much just like a Snowblind Engine game...google footage of BGDA or Champions of Norrath and you'll see the resemblance right off. In fact PS2 owners played a game very similar to D3....9 years ago.
Gygax is back stabbed by the company he created, TSR. All the talent is now gone.
Gygax was a hack, a talented hack, but a hack nonetheless. He deserved to get kicked from TSR to let some REAL writers take over. Ever read his "Gord the Mary Sue" I mean, "Gord the Rogue" books?
A lot of the dumb, cumbersome shit that slowed down the game so much that it was never actually used was in there because of him. And D&D got a lot more flack than it deserved from parents groups and whatnot because of a lot of the stupid stuff he put in there as silly nerd jokes, like the harlot encounter table or nudity in game art.
True, but unlike say, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, etc. California pays for itself federal wise just like Illiniois, Massachusets, New York, Connecticut, etc.
In other words, if the south wasn't still leeching of the north over a century after reconstruction, perhaps the Feds could throw some Money California, Illinois, NY, etc way, so they aren't payng for their own infrastructure, and The South's too.
LoB probably refers to "Locutus of Borg"
As bad as it sounds, TF2 being PC only*
*For the only version that has had updates.
What is up with that? TF2 on the PS3 was actually "more fun" in many ways than games like SOCOM were for me. I am very surprised how little attention the game got and that it received no updates.
Now I understand that Europeans have been anti-console since the Spectrum days due to import tarrifs and whatnot making Atari/Nintendo/Sega/Sony/MS hardware and software more expensive. It's why the Amiga survived in the UK as a platform but died in the US. And that Eastern Europe in particular is full of pirates because they don't have the disposable income, so I'm not going to be too mean...
After all, there are far more PC's then all the consoles combined.
And most of them are low end machines with integrated graphics. that couldn't handle a boxed game as well as a PS3 or 360 could. The vast majority of PC's out there are really only suitable for flash games and facebook games. Maybe some of those cheap ass click the hot spot nancy drew/explore the mummy's tomb as well.
On what are you reading this message? Your console? Didn't think so.
Now I understand as an anti-console european you might not be vamiliar with console capabilities, but Where have you been the past half decade? Both the PS3 and the Wii have web browsers, as do Sony and Nintendo's portable platforms. So yes, people could read Slashdot on their consoles. I've done it on ocassion .
Console owners have PC's but many a PC owner has no console.
That might be the case in Europe, but probalby not North America so much.
Games like Deus EX and many other original PC games that moved to consoles and gave the PC crappy ports show that the PC has a need for a more complex but also simpler control interface.
I have a copy of the PS2 port of Deus Ex, it supports keyboard and mouse, though the best way to play it with is with dualshock and mouse.
It sill amazes me to see console games retail for 20 euro's more then the PC version,
That's Europe only. They cost the same here. You're just being penalized for not living in NTSC U/C land. Remember, although Europe is a big market...it's language and culture fragmented, unlike the US and Canada which can be treated as ONE huge market. That increases the costs for publishing in Europe.
#define extreme. They've had some time to get some quality programmers instead of stupid "optimization, what's that? PC devs to optimize that code.
Sure, if they ever send some of their people over to the US to do a US based edition. Or they could just simply get a company to print and publish it in the US so they don't have to ship it over!
If you pick up FFXI on the console, you might as well get another keyboard because you are gonna need it. I watched my buddy play FFXI on his XBox, and I won't repeat his mistake.
Of course you're going to want a keyboard. I played EQOA before FFXI and had a keyboard attached to my PS2 from the moment I started the game. Heck, having a keyboard was handy when I setup the network settings when I got the PS2's Network Adapter in August of 2002. Anybody who buys that sort of game should realize that you will want the keyboard for chat...if they don't they're just dumb.
Playing an RTS without a mouse is even more so.
Every console since the Genesis has had a mouse available for it. I can tell you from personal experience that EVERY RTS on the PSone supported the PSone mouse, though they were playable without it.
The recent consoles have USB ports for a reason.
There's a reason why blizzard simply will not do starcraft on a console.
Did you not know about Starcraft on the N64? Or Warcraft II on the PSone for that matter.? Need I remind you that Blizzard was once a console centric developer named Silicon & Synapse. Don't know why they became so PC centric and their higher ups even made anti-console comment at times which seemed strange considering how they got started.
while most xbox fans seem to be "brown shooter of the week" "dudebro gamers", is there not already an MMO on the 360 with DCUO? The PS3 actually has 4, as long as you have a CECH(A/B/E) model. FFXI, EQOA, DCUO, FreeRealms.
the dominant media format.
Yeah for the Eurotrash pirates who post those rips on Pirate bay. Perhaps the pirstes should stop being so stubborn and do their rips in MPEG4 containers.
And that's not even considering that even on the PS3, streaming netflix is not really high definition.
Yes it is HD, it's just that most of the Netflix content isn't. But there IS 1080p stuff there.
Dunno whether anybody - Nintendo or Sony - make MIPS based consoles anymore,
PS2's and PSP's are still MIPS (R5900 and R4000 respectively) and still being manufactured....for now.
I still think that hte reason FFXIII was so linear was because of the 360, requiring multiple discs meant they had to make it more linear like a PS1 FF.
I heard that as well, and I do know that the let the guy who handled the OtherOS support in the hypervisor go, just before they removed it.
I'm pretty much with you on the "They're Dicks, not Evil" position, and I even had YDL on my PS3. And I also agree the lawsuit lawyers blew it with not mentioning blu-ray's and games.
When 3.21 came out I had a choice, either get a second PS3, or get an X86 box for Linux (I'd actually only run Linux on the PS3 and PS2 before, never on a PC)....I settled for the latter, and updated the PS3, after I transfered my /home over. /home directory still has files and settings from my PS2 Linux days.
I just realized that my
On the other hand, it does seem like anyone who updated their firmware without being aware of the change to Other OS status might have a reasonable claim against Sony, assuming that they were not warned ahead of time. I don't have a Playstation, so I don't know how the update process works, but most systems that I have seen tend to say "You need to install this update!" and only give a changelog after you have installed it.
Updating to 3.21 (and I assume to any other firmware from 3.15) is special. It warns you in no uncertain terms that updating will cause you to lose OtherOS and requires that you agree to the update not just once, which is usual, but twice.
So, unless the only thing you actually want to do with your PS3 is use Other OS,
What some people may not realize is that a PS3 with an OtherOS install might actually be mostly useless for games, because of the partitioning schemes.
You had a choice:
10GB for GameOS, the rest for OtherOS or 10GB for OtherOS and the rest for GameOS.
The first cripples gaming and media functionality, the second cripples OtherOS. (some massive compiles will fail if you don't have enough space on OtherOS, which was reported a few times on the YDL forums)
The 3.21 update was special and required that you agreed to it, not just once as is usual for PS3 firmware updates, but TWICE, and tells you in no uncertain terms that updating to it, will remove OtherOS. They were trying hard to prevent accidental updates.
I never saw that open platform website linked to on any other place other than geek/Linux websites like Slashdot.
I also never saw any SCEA advertising mentioning OtherOS at all.
Where was it listed? I know about the open platform page, but as far as I know that page wasn't linked to from the main Playstation site so you'd only go there if you already had heard about OtherOS from some other source.