You may not know this but both Civ II and XCOM got ported to the PSone. XCOM supports the PSone mouse, so it's fine, but Civ II doesn't for some reason. If my memory serves me correctly Civ II doesn't even support the analog sticks, only the non-analog d-pad, and yes the control suffers for it.
With a PC you can do other stuff as well as play games. You need to write the occasional letter, no problem. Almost all of us nowadays need to do the CV thing occasionally and alot of companies now accept word document CV's so you do not even need a printer.
I'm not really trying to be a smartass here but:
1) Multifunctional
With a console that can boot into Linux you can do stuff besides playing games. If you need to write an ocassional letter, no problem. OpenOffice, Abiword, or even LaTeX.
2) Higher Resolution
PC's can support much higher resolutions than your TV, this has been true for years.
True, but consoles have supported higher than standard NTSC resolutions for years, though it's only recently that the number of EDTV's and HDTV's in the homes has increased. Did you know that the PS2 can do 1080i? It can do 1280x1024 over sync on green VGA! Problem was since there were so few high resolution TV's out there until recently developers didn't put such support into the software. Bout the only software that supports the highest resolutions are Gran Turismo 4 and the Linux kit.
Yeah, the Rules Cyclopedia kicks ass. Everything you need, including the skills system presented in the Gazetteers. Even simple easy to use mass-combat and dominion rules in one book. Plus, Classic D&D (the Basic to Master's box sets or this book) is designed to remain balanced even when your characters hit high level.
Not only that, the book has a short overview of TSR's best and most underrated fantasy world, Mystara. Blows away Greyhawk (Oerth)for comprehensibility, blows away The Realms (Abeir-Toril) for coherence, and even on using "history" to good effect it beats out Dragonlance (Krynn)
As far as I can tell from googling, most EEE users are hand editing their xorg.conf files. You could check to see if it has something like SaX2 installed.
n fact, you could make a pretty solid argument that Microsoft's success with the XBox has severely undercut the PC market. Take out a large chunk of gamers who are no longer upgrading their PCs to play the latest game and you're left with a few enthusiasts and everyone else is running a computer that's "just good enough".
True, but Microsoft had to enter that market, at least to slow Sony down. Sony is a bigger threat to Microsoft than Apple is. Getting Sony to focus on competing with Halo means they're not focussing on promoting some kind of PS3+Linux solution for basic home computing needs. Without games, and the old "you need to use microsoft products so you can bring work home from the office" canard, Microsoft has little influence in the home market.
Those 200 to 600 dollar computers were essentially souped up video game consoles that hooked up to the TV, and they usually didn't come with a floppy drive at that price, and usually no software, though Commodore eventually began shipping C64c's with GEOS.
The closest equivalent these days would be PS2's/PS3's with Linux installed, but you know how Slashdot thinks of Sony.
You should have kept Linux on it, Lordfly, it isn't that hard to learn to use. Before I began using Linux I was a WebTV user (long story). The EEE can apparently even run SL under Linux from what I've read.
That I would like to see. Though I actually think Sony, specifically SCEfoo, is actually thinking the same thing, but not doing enough with it.
The EEE and that gOS green pc are Linux for the masses, not just those who've taken programming classes They're "computers for the masses" too
Sony has mass-market hardware sold at every wal-mart/k-mart that was designed to run Linuxin a dual-boot style manner, running Linux on that hardware, the PS3, adds even more capabilities to an already extremely capable device, but Sony doesn't heavily promote that ability in it's marketing. They ought to be selling PS3 Linux distros right on the shelves next to PS3's! Put a beginners Linux book in the box and they're set.
My first exposure to Linux was on the PS2, and truly it wasn't that difficult to learn at least basic use and adminstration on it. I'm no BOFH type super-admin but I know enough to do what I want to do.
Gnome is actually going the opposite direction in some respects.
Yes I just encountered this a few days ago. I use Claws-Mail which has a HTML mail rendering plugin that uses gtkhtml. Now last year to compile that I would have needed to actually compile some gnome stuff, but this year, all I needed was a relatively recent GTK (and gail I think) Much better.
I don't use QT apps because I can't get QT3/4 to compile on this box (mipsel)
When massive bloated desktop metaphors become the dominant norm, the light duty no-compromise Linux/freenix that we like can get steamrolled And if the developers get diverted into projects that make heavy use of shiney-thing widgets, stuff no longer runs on our lean Slackware boxes running fvwm..
Yes, there's often a lack of low-dependency alternatives to the newly desktopized applications.
Bah! Screen was obviously designed for admins to shell into a box with one connection but still have access to multpile consoles. It has little relevance these days, unless you're an admin.
It's also VERY user unfriendly, most users on modern windowed systems are better off with a tabbed terminal, I use mrxvt myself.
I would add a hint for desktop applications developers though: please don't add KDE dependencies if not absolutely required by your software. QT is a clean and powerful toolkit even without using or linking against the KDE widgets and libraries that would add a plethora of dependencies and would considerably grow the size of your program.
The same applies to GYK apps, don't add Gnome dependencies if not absolutely required.
It would also be nice if apps could be compiled to use either GTK or QT, make everyone happy, but that's not going to happen. (QT3+ won't compile on this thing)
And yes, I know, the PS3/360/Wii are all "I'm a PC too!" but they aren't. I can't install applications, do my work, work on homework, browse the net, and play games all on the same system with them, but I can on the PC.
Actually the PS3 and PS2 can do all those things, they can run Linux, remember?
The next generation consoles brought about the dark age of video games. The introduction of 3D graphics made everything look the same.
Yeah early 3D games had the "the game systems supports a million colors? lets put a million shades of brown in our game" problem. It took a few years before they started using color better again. late 98 I think.
That said, the 3D systems could do some gorgeous 2D, easily better than what the SNES and Genesis could put out. The non-battle stuff in Wild Arms for the PSone for example.
I wonder how long it will be before gaming machines and PC applications meet again? I too remember many nights using C64 and a clunky word processor to write something for school, and then later on playing a Sid Meier's game.
2002 (in NTSC U/C territory that is)
[CronoCloud@midgar CronoCloud]$ cat/etc/redhat-release PS2 Linux release 1.0
Yeah, I've got AbiWord on it.....and LaTeX.
The PS3 has it better (and easier), Yellow Dog Linux includes OpenOffice and doesn't require a $199 kit.
But you could revive Nei! And the fact that I know that even though I've never played any Phantasy Star game, and the fact that I know it involved Moon Dew means I really am a geek.
That's a different situation entirely... A group of console/linux hackers basically held Sony hostage saying that they cracked the console and if Sony didn't offer an official Linux distro they'd go public and open the door to pirates as well. Sony obliged and we got an official Linxu distro.
No, that wasn't it. In fact, many PS2 hacks require one to use the Linux kit's RTE disc to boot software from a memory card.
It went like this:
It is discovered that the PS2 Dev kits are Linux based.
A guy from SCEJ says they could do Linux on the PS2 "tomorrow"
A petition is started in Japan by fans for SCEJ to do a Linux kit
SCEJ releases the kit in Japan.
A peition is started outside of Japan to have the kit released in the US/UK/EU etc.
SCEfoo releases the kit outside of Japan (but the kit's discs are the only NTSC/UC discs manufactured by SCEJ)
Ah the "tax" rumor in regards to the PS2 Linux kit, which is false, shows up again. To put things straight, it was Yabasic that was released for the PS2 in EU that was the attempt to evade it, not the Linux kit, which was released after the tax had been abolished.
They don't. I was just responding to your personal objections to Gmail, not really commenting on the problems the guy in the article had.
He says education doesn't work, so maybe he should get the users switched to clients that make bad practices harder, or getting disincentives for such bad etiquette implemented.. Some clients even do quote folding, it's built-in into Claws-Mail.
Which is why you use a mail client that DOES support PGP/MIME to access Gmail via IMAP or POP. It's really that simple. I just don't use the web interface very often.
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You may not know this but both Civ II and XCOM got ported to the PSone. XCOM supports the PSone mouse, so it's fine, but Civ II doesn't for some reason. If my memory serves me correctly Civ II doesn't even support the analog sticks, only the non-analog d-pad, and yes the control suffers for it.
I'm not really trying to be a smartass here but:
1) Multifunctional
With a console that can boot into Linux you can do stuff besides playing games. If you need to write an ocassional letter, no problem. OpenOffice, Abiword, or even LaTeX.
True, but consoles have supported higher than standard NTSC resolutions for years, though it's only recently that the number of EDTV's and HDTV's in the homes has increased. Did you know that the PS2 can do 1080i? It can do 1280x1024 over sync on green VGA! Problem was since there were so few high resolution TV's out there until recently developers didn't put such support into the software. Bout the only software that supports the highest resolutions are Gran Turismo 4 and the Linux kit.
Par for the course for Microsoft I think. If my memory serves me well.
Yeah, the Rules Cyclopedia kicks ass. Everything you need, including the skills system presented in the Gazetteers. Even simple easy to use mass-combat and dominion rules in one book. Plus, Classic D&D (the Basic to Master's box sets or this book) is designed to remain balanced even when your characters hit high level.
Not only that, the book has a short overview of TSR's best and most underrated fantasy world, Mystara. Blows away Greyhawk (Oerth)for comprehensibility, blows away The Realms (Abeir-Toril) for coherence, and even on using "history" to good effect it beats out Dragonlance (Krynn)
As far as I can tell from googling, most EEE users are hand editing their xorg.conf files. You could check to see if it has something like SaX2 installed.
True, but Microsoft had to enter that market, at least to slow Sony down. Sony is a bigger threat to Microsoft than Apple is. Getting Sony to focus on competing with Halo means they're not focussing on promoting some kind of PS3+Linux solution for basic home computing needs. Without games, and the old "you need to use microsoft products so you can bring work home from the office" canard, Microsoft has little influence in the home market.
Those 200 to 600 dollar computers were essentially souped up video game consoles that hooked up to the TV, and they usually didn't come with a floppy drive at that price, and usually no software, though Commodore eventually began shipping C64c's with GEOS.
The closest equivalent these days would be PS2's/PS3's with Linux installed, but you know how Slashdot thinks of Sony.
You should have kept Linux on it, Lordfly, it isn't that hard to learn to use. Before I began using Linux I was a WebTV user (long story). The EEE can apparently even run SL under Linux from what I've read.
That I would like to see. Though I actually think Sony, specifically SCEfoo, is actually thinking the same thing, but not doing enough with it.
The EEE and that gOS green pc are Linux for the masses, not just those who've taken programming classes They're "computers for the masses" too
Sony has mass-market hardware sold at every wal-mart/k-mart that was designed to run Linuxin a dual-boot style manner, running Linux on that hardware, the PS3, adds even more capabilities to an already extremely capable device, but Sony doesn't heavily promote that ability in it's marketing. They ought to be selling PS3 Linux distros right on the shelves next to PS3's! Put a beginners Linux book in the box and they're set.
My first exposure to Linux was on the PS2, and truly it wasn't that difficult to learn at least basic use and adminstration on it. I'm no BOFH type super-admin but I know enough to do what I want to do.
Yes I just encountered this a few days ago. I use Claws-Mail which has a HTML mail rendering plugin that uses gtkhtml. Now last year to compile that I would have needed to actually compile some gnome stuff, but this year, all I needed was a relatively recent GTK (and gail I think) Much better.
I don't use QT apps because I can't get QT3/4 to compile on this box (mipsel)
Yes, there's often a lack of low-dependency alternatives to the newly desktopized applications.
I thought the "Innsmouth look" was more "fishy-froggy" than "squidy". Ia-R'lyehl Cihuiha flgagnl id Ia...
Bah! Screen was obviously designed for admins to shell into a box with one connection but still have access to multpile consoles. It has little relevance these days, unless you're an admin.
It's also VERY user unfriendly, most users on modern windowed systems are better off with a tabbed terminal, I use mrxvt myself.
The same applies to GYK apps, don't add Gnome dependencies if not absolutely required.
It would also be nice if apps could be compiled to use either GTK or QT, make everyone happy, but that's not going to happen. (QT3+ won't compile on this thing)
You'd have a point if the grandparent was running Puppy Linux or Damn Small Linux, but they're running Mandriva.
Actually the PS3 and PS2 can do all those things, they can run Linux, remember?
Yeah early 3D games had the "the game systems supports a million colors? lets put a million shades of brown in our game" problem. It took a few years before they started using color better again. late 98 I think.
That said, the 3D systems could do some gorgeous 2D, easily better than what the SNES and Genesis could put out. The non-battle stuff in Wild Arms for the PSone for example.
2002 (in NTSC U/C territory that is)
[CronoCloud@midgar CronoCloud]$ cat
PS2 Linux release 1.0
Yeah, I've got AbiWord on it.....and LaTeX.
The PS3 has it better (and easier), Yellow Dog Linux includes OpenOffice and doesn't require a $199 kit.
But you could revive Nei! And the fact that I know that even though I've never played any Phantasy Star game, and the fact that I know it involved Moon Dew means I really am a geek.
No, that wasn't it. In fact, many PS2 hacks require one to use the Linux kit's RTE disc to boot software from a memory card.
It went like this:
It is discovered that the PS2 Dev kits are Linux based.
A guy from SCEJ says they could do Linux on the PS2 "tomorrow"
A petition is started in Japan by fans for SCEJ to do a Linux kit
SCEJ releases the kit in Japan.
A peition is started outside of Japan to have the kit released in the US/UK/EU etc.
SCEfoo releases the kit outside of Japan (but the kit's discs are the only NTSC/UC discs manufactured by SCEJ)
Ah the "tax" rumor in regards to the PS2 Linux kit, which is false, shows up again. To put things straight, it was Yabasic that was released for the PS2 in EU that was the attempt to evade it, not the Linux kit, which was released after the tax had been abolished.
They don't. I was just responding to your personal objections to Gmail, not really commenting on the problems the guy in the article had.
He says education doesn't work, so maybe he should get the users switched to clients that make bad practices harder, or getting disincentives for such bad etiquette implemented.. Some clients even do quote folding, it's built-in into Claws-Mail.
Which is why you use a mail client that DOES support PGP/MIME to access Gmail via IMAP or POP. It's really that simple. I just don't use the web interface very often.
Sure it would, if you use a mail client that quotes properly.
Sure it does, if you access your Gmail via IMAP/POP using an e-mail client that does have PGP support.