I most certainly have had to update in order to be able to play a SINGLE-PLAYER GAME. This was on the PS3, Metal Gear Solid IV. You weren't playing it without an update.
System update or game update, two different things. If it was a system update, it was a coincidence that an update was required. Did you not have automatic updates turned on?
If it was a game update, you can, as was said, back out and update later.
Comprehensive system updates don't happen THAT often or take THAT long. The OP is just being a bit of a whiner who either has slow internet or hasn't set up automatic updates.
I own no PlayStation consoles more recent than PS2 and PSP, so I'm a bit out of the loop:
Then perhaps you should have stayed out of this conversation?
In the PlayStation 2 era, it was common for Sony to pull the plug on online matchmaking servers for individual games, even while the games were still being sold in brick-and-mortar stores. I could buy a game new at Meijer, unwrap the shrinkwrap, put the disc in my PS2, attempt to connect, and get DNAS error -103 "This software title is not in service."
What, buy some PS2 game in the budget game section in 2008 or something? Heck there are still a couple of PS2 games in Wal-Marts budget game section, that doesn't mean you should expect any online functionality of PS2 games to work. Remember, the PS2 doesn't actually have a "single online service", meaning it's up to the publishers to maintain such things.
Buying some cheap PS2 game in 2008 (or later) and expecting it to work is just being...whiny. Now for the PS3, and PS4, that's a different story. Heck even the PSP has options the PS2 doesn't have thanks to Ad-hoc party.
And nowadays, it's more likely for "something that sucks the least" to be a PC than a PlayStation 3 or PlayStation 4.
Really? I just read an article in PC gamer (print version) from one of their reviewers trying to play HitMan Go, and running into a bunch of Windows 10 issues. PC's, especially Windows ones, have their own negatives.
1. your network connection is slow, what are you using 768k DSL or something?
2. your PS3's hard drive is either getting full or is getting old.
and their mandatory updates that remove functionality that you paid for.
You can choose to keep OtherOS, however you'll lose access to PSN if you keep the older firmware because your PS3 won't be "trusted". It's your choice. Any PS3 update that will remove OtherOS requires to be confirmed TWICE and warns the user in no uncertain terms what it will do before it does so.
However, any OtherOS user can tell you that the feature was used by only a minuscule minority of PS3 owners. Not only that but the partition schemes are NOT optimal. Either you have 10GB to OtherOS and the rest to what Sony calls GameOS, which cripples Linux. (You'll have to custom parition that 10GB or else some compiles will fail. You'll also have to seriously watch your compiles and installs (forget about doing a full LaTeX install) and what you download to home Or you have 10GB to GameOS and the rest to OtherOS which seriously cripples gaming. In that situation a single game can take up most of that space with HD cache, and you can forget about large digital downloads.
I learned the same basic electronics skills in my high school electronics classes. (Here's how you read the color bands on a resistor. Here's the basic definition of voltage vs. amperage. That sort of thing....)
Just so you know, not every high school HAS electronics classes where they would learn resistor bands and whatnot. In other words, your high school like many Slashdotters high schools, was tech-privileged.
Confiscated? really? It's your "responsibility" as a citizen to pay them. With "rights" comes "responsibilities" and it seems like to me you're being just a selfish jerk who wants all the rights without any responisbility. Sounds like that OTHER expat from Eastern Europe....Ayn Rand. Go back to the Ukraine tovarysch. You had this vision of america thanks to propaganda that wasn't the real america and now you're espousing the philosophy of basically wanting to fuck everyone else over out of selfishness.
Sometimes government NEEDS to jump start things. Industry, Rural electrification, transportation, communications. Government loans and subsidies for Solar is part of that. It's looking towards the future and preparing for it.
In Sony's case, the "Other OS" was mostly likely a gimmick to avoid paying additional taxes in the EU (so it could be classified as a computer instead of a console).
Why why why do people keep getting this wrong, it's 2016 for gosh sakes. You're thinking of YaBASIC on the EU PS2's, that one was the gimmick, because.....
And once that didn't pan out (laws were re-written to prevent this tax dodge),
The laws were re-written PRIOR to the release of Linux on the PS2 or OtherOS. Linux running PS2's and PS3's were never a tax dodge.
He accessed MANY systems he did not have authorization to use, committing many crimes, federal ones.
We need to send a message to the next over-privileged nerd out there who thinks of doing a stunt like this or it keeps happening. Perhaps we'd have less of this shit if that spoiled brat Morris hadn't been coddled because his dad being NSA.
While I wouldn't want Weev actually raped, I want hard time for him.
Bullshit! I voted for Sanders and if this weev fellow had printed "Sanders2016" on those printers I'd be saying the following:
"This Weev is an idiot, you don't support a candidate by breaking the law and accessing a huge number of networked resources you don't have authorization to use. Throw the book at him and send him to PMITA federal prison for life."
These "rumor based" articles are stupid. The media outlets should know better, especially given Sony's history with PSfoo hardware.
More likely this "4K" PS4 will be like the later model PS2's that could do progressive scan (early models couldn't), or the later model PS3's that can bitstream a couple more high quality surround audio formats., with ZERO changes to the gaming capabilities.
So I'm figuring what we'll see is a PS4 Slim that supports 4K blu-rays and nothing more.
CPU wise, yes. It's WORSE comparing the RAM since the 2600 only has 128 bytes.
Even that 2600 compilation on the PS2 was running on a machine hundreds of times faster with 250 thousand times as much RAM. I have my only working PS2 stashed away so I'd have to play the disc in the PS3. Meaning a 3.2 Ghz Cell (PPC) emulating a 294 Mhz MIPS R5900 (CECHE model PS3's don't have Emotion Engines), running a 1.19Mhz 6507 emulator.
If you limit to mouse and analog side you probably have at most 6 (two bumpers and 4 mouse buttons)
.
Actually you have slightly more:
Analog stick movement L3 button (press in stick) L1 L2 4 d-pad directions (which can be used as buttons) Select button Mouse movement mouse button left click mouse button right click mousewheel up mousewheel down mousewheel click
But Playstations? I have had several Playstation devices go into failure modes. Who hasn't had a PSX (original PS, that is) or PSOne refuse to read discs when not inverted?
PlayStation yes, but not the PSone.
I've had a couple of early model PS2's go DRE, though not the 50001 model (those are built like tanks...and about as heavy as a tank if you have an HDD in it)
My CECHE model PS3 had graphics glitching and freezing issues. There was one game that would freeze at the same spot every time. (FFX remaster) Sony fixed it
I bought a used OLED Vita, it had intermittent twitchy touchscreen issues. I've sent it in. SCEA charges more to fix Vitas than PS3's.
On a PS3 or PS4, you can just also use the Move Navigation controller in place of the left side of the dual shock. (Because the Dual Shock 3 and Dual Shock 4 are heavier than the Dual Shock and Dual Shock 2)
Anyway, I'm done with consoles - too short of a lifespan.
What do you mean by that? The generational duration has been around 5+ years for a long time now. In fact, some Slashdotters think it should be shorter. Using SCEA as an example: PS1 September 9th, 1995 eNOS Lives! PS2 October 26, 2000 PS3 Nov 17, 2006 PS4 November 15, 2013
That being said, maybe they're referring to the fact that XBL has more of a social side and hub interface to it, where multiplayer gaming on the Dreamcast was akin to using Gamespy on PC.
Probably, I played some pretty hefty games of SOCOM, EQOA and FFXI on the PS2 and like the Dreamcast it was more akin to Gamespy. Some PS2 games actually used Gamespy for network services, notably the Star Wars Battlefront games.
Jump wasn't on a shoulder button? But if you cant hit jump and move the right stick, your right thumb might be a touch on the slow side. Then again, PC gamers aren't really sed to using the right thumb much.
tried playing FF7: Dirge of Cerberus (FPS) with a mouse and keyboard but the movements were erratic and unstable.
Maybe your devices had issues? Or more likely you needed to tweak settings though mouse/keyboard with DoC was clunky. It's been a while but IIRC I found that it is better to use hybrid control with that game and NOT use WASD. What you do is use the dual shock to move, but the mouse to aim.
You would have found that it worked better for Tribes (though Tribes on the PS2 commits the cardinal sin of not having voice chat), UT, Deus Ex, or Half Life.
That depends on "Which" console and "which" game. For PSN:
1. PS2 network play was free, except for the 2 subscription based MMO's.
2. PS3 online play is free, except for the subscription MMOs
3. PSP/Vita online play is free.
4. The PS4 is different, it depends on the game.
a. Turn based PBEM style games don't require PS+ b. F2P games where you don't buy the game don't require PS+ (examples being War Thunder, Onigiri, Warframe. c. games where you buy the game require PS+ for online play.
Personally I consider PS+ to be more akin to a continuation of the Playstation Underground than actually "paying for online play", since you get other things with it.
1. Instant game collection alone is easily worth the 49.99 a year. 2. Discounts and PS+ exclusives 3. Early access to Demos/Betas. 4. Cloud save storage
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It's probably more secure than your Windows box. run zenmap against a PS3 or PS4 sometime. The PS4 in particular is identified as FreeBSD.
I most certainly have had to update in order to be able to play a SINGLE-PLAYER GAME. This was on the PS3, Metal Gear Solid IV. You weren't playing it without an update.
System update or game update, two different things. If it was a system update, it was a coincidence that an update was required. Did you not have automatic updates turned on?
If it was a game update, you can, as was said, back out and update later.
Comprehensive system updates don't happen THAT often or take THAT long. The OP is just being a bit of a whiner who either has slow internet or hasn't set up automatic updates.
I own no PlayStation consoles more recent than PS2 and PSP, so I'm a bit out of the loop:
Then perhaps you should have stayed out of this conversation?
In the PlayStation 2 era, it was common for Sony to pull the plug on online matchmaking servers for individual games, even while the games were still being sold in brick-and-mortar stores. I could buy a game new at Meijer, unwrap the shrinkwrap, put the disc in my PS2, attempt to connect, and get DNAS error -103 "This software title is not in service."
What, buy some PS2 game in the budget game section in 2008 or something? Heck there are still a couple of PS2 games in Wal-Marts budget game section, that doesn't mean you should expect any online functionality of PS2 games to work. Remember, the PS2 doesn't actually have a "single online service", meaning it's up to the publishers to maintain such things.
Buying some cheap PS2 game in 2008 (or later) and expecting it to work is just being...whiny. Now for the PS3, and PS4, that's a different story. Heck even the PSP has options the PS2 doesn't have thanks to Ad-hoc party.
And nowadays, it's more likely for "something that sucks the least" to be a PC than a PlayStation 3 or PlayStation 4.
Really? I just read an article in PC gamer (print version) from one of their reviewers trying to play HitMan Go, and running into a bunch of Windows 10 issues. PC's, especially Windows ones, have their own negatives.
bloated piles of shit that tie up the PlayStation for 30 minutes when you want to watch a movie or play a game.
If you see updates often, it means you're not using the "Automatic update" feature, or you're not using the PS3 that often.
http://manuals.playstation.net...
And if it takes 30 minutes either:
1. your network connection is slow, what are you using 768k DSL or something?
2. your PS3's hard drive is either getting full or is getting old.
and their mandatory updates that remove functionality that you paid for.
You can choose to keep OtherOS, however you'll lose access to PSN if you keep the older firmware because your PS3 won't be "trusted". It's your choice. Any PS3 update that will remove OtherOS requires to be confirmed TWICE and warns the user in no uncertain terms what it will do before it does so.
However, any OtherOS user can tell you that the feature was used by only a minuscule minority of PS3 owners. Not only that but the partition schemes are NOT optimal. Either you have 10GB to OtherOS and the rest to what Sony calls GameOS, which cripples Linux. (You'll have to custom parition that 10GB or else some compiles will fail. You'll also have to seriously watch your compiles and installs (forget about doing a full LaTeX install) and what you download to home Or you have 10GB to GameOS and the rest to OtherOS which seriously cripples gaming. In that situation a single game can take up most of that space with HD cache, and you can forget about large digital downloads.
.
I learned the same basic electronics skills in my high school electronics classes. (Here's how you read the color bands on a resistor. Here's the basic definition of voltage vs. amperage. That sort of thing....)
Just so you know, not every high school HAS electronics classes where they would learn resistor bands and whatnot. In other words, your high school like many Slashdotters high schools, was tech-privileged.
but the taxes are my money.
After they have it, it's not your money anymore.
Confiscated from me at the implicit gunpoint.
Confiscated? really? It's your "responsibility" as a citizen to pay them. With "rights" comes "responsibilities" and it seems like to me you're being just a selfish jerk who wants all the rights without any responisbility. Sounds like that OTHER expat from Eastern Europe....Ayn Rand. Go back to the Ukraine tovarysch. You had this vision of america thanks to propaganda that wasn't the real america and now you're espousing the philosophy of basically wanting to fuck everyone else over out of selfishness.
Sometimes government NEEDS to jump start things. Industry, Rural electrification, transportation, communications. Government loans and subsidies for Solar is part of that. It's looking towards the future and preparing for it.
Tanking as hard as the WiiU? No, that thing was/is SERIOUSLY going nowhere.
Steam machines? I don't think there's much market for those, especially the ones running Linux.
In Sony's case, the "Other OS" was mostly likely a gimmick to avoid paying additional taxes in the EU (so it could be classified as a computer instead of a console).
Why why why do people keep getting this wrong, it's 2016 for gosh sakes. You're thinking of YaBASIC on the EU PS2's, that one was the gimmick, because.....
And once that didn't pan out (laws were re-written to prevent this tax dodge),
The laws were re-written PRIOR to the release of Linux on the PS2 or OtherOS. Linux running PS2's and PS3's were never a tax dodge.
He accessed MANY systems he did not have authorization to use, committing many crimes, federal ones.
We need to send a message to the next over-privileged nerd out there who thinks of doing a stunt like this or it keeps happening. Perhaps we'd have less of this shit if that spoiled brat Morris hadn't been coddled because his dad being NSA.
While I wouldn't want Weev actually raped, I want hard time for him.
A neo-communist? Only someone to the EXTREME right would think a New Deal Democrat (that's truly what Sanders is), is a communist.
If he aint talking about government ownership of all means of production....he isn't a communist.
Bullshit! I voted for Sanders and if this weev fellow had printed "Sanders2016" on those printers I'd be saying the following:
"This Weev is an idiot, you don't support a candidate by breaking the law and accessing a huge number of networked resources you don't have authorization to use. Throw the book at him and send him to PMITA federal prison for life."
These "rumor based" articles are stupid. The media outlets should know better, especially given Sony's history with PSfoo hardware.
More likely this "4K" PS4 will be like the later model PS2's that could do progressive scan (early models couldn't), or the later model PS3's that can bitstream a couple more high quality surround audio formats., with ZERO changes to the gaming capabilities.
So I'm figuring what we'll see is a PS4 Slim that supports 4K blu-rays and nothing more.
CPU wise, yes. It's WORSE comparing the RAM since the 2600 only has 128 bytes.
Even that 2600 compilation on the PS2 was running on a machine hundreds of times faster with 250 thousand times as much RAM. I have my only working PS2 stashed away so I'd have to play the disc in the PS3. Meaning a 3.2 Ghz Cell (PPC) emulating a 294 Mhz MIPS R5900 (CECHE model PS3's don't have Emotion Engines), running a 1.19Mhz 6507 emulator.
If you limit to mouse and analog side you probably have at most 6 (two bumpers and 4 mouse buttons)
.
Actually you have slightly more:
Analog stick movement
L3 button (press in stick)
L1
L2
4 d-pad directions (which can be used as buttons)
Select button
Mouse movement
mouse button left click
mouse button right click
mousewheel up
mousewheel down
mousewheel click
How well it works, depends on the game.
But Playstations? I have had several Playstation devices go into failure modes. Who hasn't had a PSX (original PS, that is) or PSOne refuse to read discs when not inverted?
PlayStation yes, but not the PSone.
I've had a couple of early model PS2's go DRE, though not the 50001 model (those are built like tanks...and about as heavy as a tank if you have an HDD in it)
My CECHE model PS3 had graphics glitching and freezing issues. There was one game that would freeze at the same spot every time. (FFX remaster) Sony fixed it
I bought a used OLED Vita, it had intermittent twitchy touchscreen issues. I've sent it in. SCEA charges more to fix Vitas than PS3's.
Apparently only affects only one of Sony's Dash models:
https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/...
Wait what, you can FTP to a Chumby?
While I have heard of the Chumby I hadn't heard of the Dash.
How so, you just hold the left half of the dual shock in your left hand. It looks something like this:
https://forum.warthunder.com/i...
On a PS3 or PS4, you can just also use the Move Navigation controller in place of the left side of the dual shock. (Because the Dual Shock 3 and Dual Shock 4 are heavier than the Dual Shock and Dual Shock 2)
Anyway, I'm done with consoles - too short of a lifespan.
What do you mean by that? The generational duration has been around 5+ years for a long time now. In fact, some Slashdotters think it should be shorter. Using SCEA as an example:
PS1 September 9th, 1995 eNOS Lives!
PS2 October 26, 2000
PS3 Nov 17, 2006
PS4 November 15, 2013
That being said, maybe they're referring to the fact that XBL has more of a social side and hub interface to it, where multiplayer gaming on the Dreamcast was akin to using Gamespy on PC.
Probably, I played some pretty hefty games of SOCOM, EQOA and FFXI on the PS2 and like the Dreamcast it was more akin to Gamespy. Some PS2 games actually used Gamespy for network services, notably the Star Wars Battlefront games.
And before the Dreamcast with the Saturn Netlink.
And even before that there was the Xband modem.
Jump wasn't on a shoulder button? But if you cant hit jump and move the right stick, your right thumb might be a touch on the slow side. Then again, PC gamers aren't really sed to using the right thumb much.
tried playing FF7: Dirge of Cerberus (FPS) with a mouse and keyboard but the movements were erratic and unstable.
Maybe your devices had issues? Or more likely you needed to tweak settings though mouse/keyboard with DoC was clunky. It's been a while but IIRC I found that it is better to use hybrid control with that game and NOT use WASD. What you do is use the dual shock to move, but the mouse to aim.
You would have found that it worked better for Tribes (though Tribes on the PS2 commits the cardinal sin of not having voice chat), UT, Deus Ex, or Half Life.
There are these things called USB ports, the PS2, PS3, and PS4 have them for a reason.
That depends on "Which" console and "which" game. For PSN:
1. PS2 network play was free, except for the 2 subscription based MMO's.
2. PS3 online play is free, except for the subscription MMOs
3. PSP/Vita online play is free.
4. The PS4 is different, it depends on the game.
a. Turn based PBEM style games don't require PS+
b. F2P games where you don't buy the game don't require PS+ (examples being War Thunder, Onigiri, Warframe.
c. games where you buy the game require PS+ for online play.
Personally I consider PS+ to be more akin to a continuation of the Playstation Underground than actually "paying for online play", since you get other things with it.
1. Instant game collection alone is easily worth the 49.99 a year.
2. Discounts and PS+ exclusives
3. Early access to Demos/Betas.
4. Cloud save storage