IT was a home system with perfect arcade replicas. Not ports but exact same hardware... They weren't going for a mainstream console for every home like sega and nintendo. Otherwise their system wouldn't have been priced upwards to $800 with $200+ dollar cartridges. Yeah you could by a supernintendo with the price of one neo geo game.
With inflation stats it'd look even more pricy with today's dollars.
I don't think they intended to compete in the same market.
Even i remember witnesses saying things like car-bombs, truck bombs, and even missles. Which witness do we actually trust? The ones the government backs up?
I'm expecting $399 ps3's in the best case scenario next christmas (don't believe me? i'll find a post in my history where say i think sony needs to do this or become irrelevant). I don't think they'll magically drop to half price in a year. I just said that near the end of the product cycle the ps3 will probably cost up to $70 and $99 more then the ps2 and psone. End of active product cycle for past sony consoles have been 5-7 years (some blockbusters for the psone and ps2 have and will come out at around the same time as their next-gen counterparts).
Hell, i even said that blu-ray drives won't be near (thats NEAR btw so you don't forget this time not AT) their bottomed out price for another 2-3 years (by bottomed out i mean within (60% of the cost, usually prices will have gone down anywhere from 100-200% of the original cost). The reason I think blu-ray will go down in cost so much is that there is nothing inherently expensive about the drive itself. With chips it's die size that matters, with displays, once again size matters due to cost of materials and success of flawless (or close to) pixel perfect displays made.
There is nothing inherently expensive about a 405nm laser and the other components in the blu-ray with current manufacturing processes. It just needs to mature and factories need to be developed for it as none existed for it before.
In any case I'm not really sure why you think i'm implying a $299 price point after just one year. It seems your just desparately trying to argue with me and incorrectly interpretting what i've said.
Oh and that bit about "mass manufacture," there was a time that reaching 1 million units or even half that resulted in companies boasting "mass" manufacture. No one implies that this means a mature and near end of life cycle manufacture like i said earlier.
I never said the games will necessarily be better, it's just that I can definately see many ps3 games of similar style hitting the space limit. I really don't like comparing cinematic stuff to Nintendo most nintendo games. It's really apples/oranges...
Katamari will certainly not take anywhere near the full storage of a dvd but there are numerous titles that use pre-rendered video. Even the ps3 will have graphical limits (especially noticeable on hdtv units)...
Next i'm going to disagree with:
You've got to be kidding me. A few MONTHS is NOT "well into the mass manufacture". Try a few YEARS. Yes, Blu-ray costs will go down dramatically after the first year, but the PS3 is essentially being released in its first year. That's why the PS3 is so dang expensive. I'm hoping (along with many others) for a massive price drop in 2007, but unfortunately for Sony, all of their competitors already have a huge head start in terms of pricing, so they'll always lag a few hundred dollars behind.
By mass manufacture I meant the number of units. Of course they'll be better off a few years later. But when introducing new technologies economies of scale play a huge factor. Your using all new equipment you'll get your ROI back a lot faster on the hundreds of millions -> billions you spend on getting the factories up and running if you produce and ship 4 million units versus less then a half a million (standalone hd drives will NOT sell anywhere close to that many units--and they'll be sold by different vendors).
Also Sony's PS3 will not always be a few hundred behind. Their tech has the most to lose from a price point. There is no reason for blu-ray drives to cost more to manufacture then dvd-drives a year ago, in 2-3 years. The cost of the cell chip will decrease greatly after moving from 90nm process to probably 45nm process near the end of it's life cycle.
Knowing sony they will also attempt to integrate other chip functions into one new smaller chip as they've done with past consoles. At most they will be $10-$20 dollars behind for dvd backwards compatibility and $35-$50 dollars behind for the hard drive near the nd of it's life cycle so at around this time they will be close to $149-$199.
I'll charge 2x as much for my mp3 player and market it to be cooler then the rest. Will my company blow up too? I think Dvorak predicted it to be so again.
Couple this with the fact that most people can't tell the difference between standard defintion and high definition:
* Close to one in four (28%) of HDTV owners reported that they did not get any special equipment from their service provider to watch HDTV channels because the picture quality was already improved with the purchase of an HDTV.
These people can't tell the difference betweeen standard and hd because they haven't seen the difference. The HDTV might be upscaling the image and it probably looks better then what they are used to seeing. These people think they are getting better images without getting truly better pictures. Now imagine what might happen when they actually get hd input for their hdtv's.
Just because people incorrectly assume they are getting something better doesn't mean they won't notice when they truly get something better.
Why in the world would they not use a next-gen tech for optical media. I've got a PS2 game that uses two discs (Shadow heart) and considering that ps3 games will be displayed in hd along with any fmv (FF XIII will probably be heavy on that) games will start using more disc space then fits in a DVD. Although on the pricier side this will clearly be an impact on games like ff.
Also by manufacturing 4 million ps2's in the first 3-4 months they will be well into the mass manufacture of their new tech. This will drive prices down for blu-ray players and assuming they don't charge a metric fuckton for the licensing this greater tech (everything about blu-ray as a format is superior to hd-dvd from storage capacity per layer to the quality of the disc--they have this awesome new scratch-proof coating).
Next, while many people here like to argue that hd is expensive and it doesn't have a high adoption rate thats true for now. But HD equipment is still quite cheap... I bought a decent quality 36 inch JVC tube tv back in the day for $1000ish that i still use. I can buy a HD LCDTV of around 32inches for that price, thats definately what i plan on going with in the future for obvious reasons.
Two, it's the applications that drive new technology. The only reason HD is not prominent is because there haven't been too many apps till recently. Feature Films came out in standard resolution, very few local channels supported hd, and only certain channels (sports being big) supported hd on cable/sattelite). If the PS3 generates the necessary hype around launch time and provides two new application it may even help drive HDTV sets (with the help of the 360 and standalone hd-drives of both formats).
As for price... who would have thought that people would by $400 dollar portable music players of poor sound quality (i've got an ipod--even the headphones aren't of high quality) ten years ago. If Sony's marketting can make the ps3 seem like a value then it will sell.
I can see multicast in lan but multicast around the entire internet? Every content provider streaming in through every router or something?!?!? Thats a lot of wasted bandwidth more then likely not even practical in any manner.
75% of Nintendo's profits came from handheld devices... Sony was second but in that period almost all of their profit came from the ps2 with the psp not even breaking even (not all of Sony mind you, just the gaming division SCEI).
Nintendo's ability to win the modern console wars has yet to be seen. Although with this much press, excitement, and hype they just may win this round:).
I guarantee you will find a lot of options turned off most people miss em in the video options. Oblivion can make even some of the most highest end systems slow to a crawl. Especially outdoors even at lower resolutions.
In the NYT article kaplan does say a class maybe added or removed. I seriously hope they will be removing paladin... that just fucks up the lore in which the draeni were shamanistic.
A top of the line graphics card costs $500-600. A top of the line mobo for $120-$180 and a top of the line process for $400-$1000. Add in memory and the rest of the computer and you get the picture.
The heavenly sword graphics look like they belong on the ps2. Jaggies show a complete absense of anti-aliasing and the polygon count on the faces are quite low. This is quite a bit worse then the tech demos.
I'm just sad that Sakaguchi's mistwalker studios has signed up with MS as I don't imagine it will have very many high quality eastern rpgs other then what they make.
Ah the glory days of the snes, psx, and ps2... With a few exceptions most rpgs were made for these systems.
For the ps2 while Sony cared about tagging along the dvd feature to the ps2 they weren't really pushing the dvd player inside the ps3 that much and if it was the perfect dvd player it would be harder to sell their standalone players. The dvd format would definately win and there were no high stakes.
With Blu-ray there will be a format war and sony stands to profit greatly should they succeed in winning. Royalties from other players and discs sold in the format would amount to a great deal of cash should they succeed.
The ps3 will be released within months of blu-ray's and it's almost like a trojan horse. Sony has a lot more motivation this time to make sure the ps3's movie displaying capabilities and functions are top notch.
Dual Layered discs are irrelevant due to price... Torrented movies are irrelevant as it's done by a small pct of people and they don't provide any income to the movie producers.
25-100 gig BR discs showing content in hd will appeal to home theater afficiondo's first and as prices go down it will whittle down to the general masses.
Most Iranian teen's that have been protesting, were protesting their own goverment whenever they could. It was only recently that some focus went to america due to the "axis of evil" statement by bush.
But by and large the teens in Iran don't seem to like their government.
Remember the ps2 is only sony's second gaming console and second major success. It's like saying the psone was a success if it only sold 20 million consoles then the 80-100million it really sold because it was their first console and they broke the completely nintendo-sega dominance.
Uh, Dreamcast matched what the 360 has done thusfar but with a much smaller marketting budget. The ps2 sold much more in it's first 5 months then the 360 has and the psx was monstrously successful (took the number one spot easily--don't remember but it sold at least 3x as much as the saturn and the 64).
I'm not sure how the 360 is as success as you make it out to be.
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IT was a home system with perfect arcade replicas. Not ports but exact same hardware... They weren't going for a mainstream console for every home like sega and nintendo. Otherwise their system wouldn't have been priced upwards to $800 with $200+ dollar cartridges. Yeah you could by a supernintendo with the price of one neo geo game.
With inflation stats it'd look even more pricy with today's dollars.
I don't think they intended to compete in the same market.
Even i remember witnesses saying things like car-bombs, truck bombs, and even missles. Which witness do we actually trust? The ones the government backs up?
I'm expecting $399 ps3's in the best case scenario next christmas (don't believe me? i'll find a post in my history where say i think sony needs to do this or become irrelevant). I don't think they'll magically drop to half price in a year. I just said that near the end of the product cycle the ps3 will probably cost up to $70 and $99 more then the ps2 and psone. End of active product cycle for past sony consoles have been 5-7 years (some blockbusters for the psone and ps2 have and will come out at around the same time as their next-gen counterparts).
Hell, i even said that blu-ray drives won't be near (thats NEAR btw so you don't forget this time not AT) their bottomed out price for another 2-3 years (by bottomed out i mean within (60% of the cost, usually prices will have gone down anywhere from 100-200% of the original cost). The reason I think blu-ray will go down in cost so much is that there is nothing inherently expensive about the drive itself. With chips it's die size that matters, with displays, once again size matters due to cost of materials and success of flawless (or close to) pixel perfect displays made.
There is nothing inherently expensive about a 405nm laser and the other components in the blu-ray with current manufacturing processes. It just needs to mature and factories need to be developed for it as none existed for it before.
In any case I'm not really sure why you think i'm implying a $299 price point after just one year. It seems your just desparately trying to argue with me and incorrectly interpretting what i've said.
Oh and that bit about "mass manufacture," there was a time that reaching 1 million units or even half that resulted in companies boasting "mass" manufacture. No one implies that this means a mature and near end of life cycle manufacture like i said earlier.
I never said the games will necessarily be better, it's just that I can definately see many ps3 games of similar style hitting the space limit. I really don't like comparing cinematic stuff to Nintendo most nintendo games. It's really apples/oranges...
Katamari will certainly not take anywhere near the full storage of a dvd but there are numerous titles that use pre-rendered video. Even the ps3 will have graphical limits (especially noticeable on hdtv units)...
Next i'm going to disagree with:
You've got to be kidding me. A few MONTHS is NOT "well into the mass manufacture". Try a few YEARS. Yes, Blu-ray costs will go down dramatically after the first year, but the PS3 is essentially being released in its first year. That's why the PS3 is so dang expensive. I'm hoping (along with many others) for a massive price drop in 2007, but unfortunately for Sony, all of their competitors already have a huge head start in terms of pricing, so they'll always lag a few hundred dollars behind.
By mass manufacture I meant the number of units. Of course they'll be better off a few years later. But when introducing new technologies economies of scale play a huge factor. Your using all new equipment you'll get your ROI back a lot faster on the hundreds of millions -> billions you spend on getting the factories up and running if you produce and ship 4 million units versus less then a half a million (standalone hd drives will NOT sell anywhere close to that many units--and they'll be sold by different vendors).
Also Sony's PS3 will not always be a few hundred behind. Their tech has the most to lose from a price point. There is no reason for blu-ray drives to cost more to manufacture then dvd-drives a year ago, in 2-3 years. The cost of the cell chip will decrease greatly after moving from 90nm process to probably 45nm process near the end of it's life cycle.
Knowing sony they will also attempt to integrate other chip functions into one new smaller chip as they've done with past consoles. At most they will be $10-$20 dollars behind for dvd backwards compatibility and $35-$50 dollars behind for the hard drive near the nd of it's life cycle so at around this time they will be close to $149-$199.
I'll charge 2x as much for my mp3 player and market it to be cooler then the rest. Will my company blow up too? I think Dvorak predicted it to be so again.
Hrm, read what you quoted:
Couple this with the fact that most people can't tell the difference between standard defintion and high definition:
* Close to one in four (28%) of HDTV owners reported that they did not get any special equipment from their service provider to watch HDTV channels because the picture quality was already improved with the purchase of an HDTV.
These people can't tell the difference betweeen standard and hd because they haven't seen the difference. The HDTV might be upscaling the image and it probably looks better then what they are used to seeing. These people think they are getting better images without getting truly better pictures. Now imagine what might happen when they actually get hd input for their hdtv's.
Just because people incorrectly assume they are getting something better doesn't mean they won't notice when they truly get something better.
Why in the world would they not use a next-gen tech for optical media. I've got a PS2 game that uses two discs (Shadow heart) and considering that ps3 games will be displayed in hd along with any fmv (FF XIII will probably be heavy on that) games will start using more disc space then fits in a DVD. Although on the pricier side this will clearly be an impact on games like ff.
Also by manufacturing 4 million ps2's in the first 3-4 months they will be well into the mass manufacture of their new tech. This will drive prices down for blu-ray players and assuming they don't charge a metric fuckton for the licensing this greater tech (everything about blu-ray as a format is superior to hd-dvd from storage capacity per layer to the quality of the disc--they have this awesome new scratch-proof coating).
Next, while many people here like to argue that hd is expensive and it doesn't have a high adoption rate thats true for now. But HD equipment is still quite cheap... I bought a decent quality 36 inch JVC tube tv back in the day for $1000ish that i still use. I can buy a HD LCDTV of around 32inches for that price, thats definately what i plan on going with in the future for obvious reasons.
Two, it's the applications that drive new technology. The only reason HD is not prominent is because there haven't been too many apps till recently. Feature Films came out in standard resolution, very few local channels supported hd, and only certain channels (sports being big) supported hd on cable/sattelite). If the PS3 generates the necessary hype around launch time and provides two new application it may even help drive HDTV sets (with the help of the 360 and standalone hd-drives of both formats).
As for price... who would have thought that people would by $400 dollar portable music players of poor sound quality (i've got an ipod--even the headphones aren't of high quality) ten years ago. If Sony's marketting can make the ps3 seem like a value then it will sell.
I can see multicast in lan but multicast around the entire internet? Every content provider streaming in through every router or something?!?!? Thats a lot of wasted bandwidth more then likely not even practical in any manner.
The $500 dollar machine will have superior graphics and be priced at $200... then what?
75% of Nintendo's profits came from handheld devices... Sony was second but in that period almost all of their profit came from the ps2 with the psp not even breaking even (not all of Sony mind you, just the gaming division SCEI).
:).
Nintendo's ability to win the modern console wars has yet to be seen. Although with this much press, excitement, and hype they just may win this round
Take a lot of time to design (the size of dire maul doens't seem to be any smaller then BWL) and they get conquered in 2 days.
It'll help for the 2 hours of HD FMV that will be included in Final Fantasy XII that wouldn't fit with the game ona single dvd disc.
They just totally changed wow lore... Go back to the old pages...
In it the Demonic Eredar race corrupted Sargeras and now in the new burning crusade page it's Sargeras who corrupted them... god.
I guarantee you will find a lot of options turned off most people miss em in the video options. Oblivion can make even some of the most highest end systems slow to a crawl. Especially outdoors even at lower resolutions.
In the NYT article kaplan does say a class maybe added or removed. I seriously hope they will be removing paladin... that just fucks up the lore in which the draeni were shamanistic.
A top of the line graphics card costs $500-600. A top of the line mobo for $120-$180 and a top of the line process for $400-$1000. Add in memory and the rest of the computer and you get the picture.
The heavenly sword graphics look like they belong on the ps2. Jaggies show a complete absense of anti-aliasing and the polygon count on the faces are quite low. This is quite a bit worse then the tech demos.
Dude, you just reversed the products... look at what your quoting.
I'm just sad that Sakaguchi's mistwalker studios has signed up with MS as I don't imagine it will have very many high quality eastern rpgs other then what they make.
Ah the glory days of the snes, psx, and ps2... With a few exceptions most rpgs were made for these systems.
For the ps2 while Sony cared about tagging along the dvd feature to the ps2 they weren't really pushing the dvd player inside the ps3 that much and if it was the perfect dvd player it would be harder to sell their standalone players. The dvd format would definately win and there were no high stakes.
With Blu-ray there will be a format war and sony stands to profit greatly should they succeed in winning. Royalties from other players and discs sold in the format would amount to a great deal of cash should they succeed.
The ps3 will be released within months of blu-ray's and it's almost like a trojan horse. Sony has a lot more motivation this time to make sure the ps3's movie displaying capabilities and functions are top notch.
Dual Layered discs are irrelevant due to price... Torrented movies are irrelevant as it's done by a small pct of people and they don't provide any income to the movie producers.
25-100 gig BR discs showing content in hd will appeal to home theater afficiondo's first and as prices go down it will whittle down to the general masses.
Most Iranian teen's that have been protesting, were protesting their own goverment whenever they could. It was only recently that some focus went to america due to the "axis of evil" statement by bush.
But by and large the teens in Iran don't seem to like their government.
Assuming it's completely free one can use this to listen to songs and then use it in conjunction with itunes if they truly enjoy a song.
Remember the ps2 is only sony's second gaming console and second major success. It's like saying the psone was a success if it only sold 20 million consoles then the 80-100million it really sold because it was their first console and they broke the completely nintendo-sega dominance.
Uh, Dreamcast matched what the 360 has done thusfar but with a much smaller marketting budget. The ps2 sold much more in it's first 5 months then the 360 has and the psx was monstrously successful (took the number one spot easily--don't remember but it sold at least 3x as much as the saturn and the 64).
I'm not sure how the 360 is as success as you make it out to be.