One strong hypothesis is that life couldnt exist on earth without a big planet (jupiter) out there sweeping up most of the space junk (asteroids, comets, etc) that comes falling into the solar system.
Yes, but this particular system is likely not to have any earthy planets as its gas giant is near the center of its gravity well. Thus, this planet helps suck in space junk.
Just put an asterisk in your ie address bar and go to file -> work offline. This will just download everything (not recommended for NetZero subscribers)
we wanted to integrate the shareware version of Linux into our
server pool.
Which version is that? Did you remember to send in your 15$ I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in
VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming.
Then you should know that 'technically' VB is not kernel level programming. I think the reason that you failed so amazingly in your project is you put no forethought into it. Yes, the Win 2K servers can handle a decent load (albeit insecurely) and they are so simple to run that even an MCSE can set them up (I have an old MCSE cert so that is not a flame, I know the ed level needed for that and abandoned it long ago). However, the Linux servers are enterprise unix boxes and Apache can run circles around IIS. I hope that fortune 5000 company realizes that you were the problem. but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows
98/NT/2K are your only choices.
Were that the case I would choose to use paper based data processing.
That's like arguing, that because Nokia comes up with a cellphone that has a TV and a radio, that customers want that.
It would be like that if the nokia tv and radio phone were prominent in every cell phone store and most people purchased them. The big whiz bang computers SELL bottom line that is it. I am a geek with a nicely paid geeky job, I have 3 computers at home not one matches the best buy statistics. My brother on the other hand has trouble sending a simple e-mail and his games don't always work right so he Ghz P7 with 80GB ram because the salesman tells him he needs it. It is not geeks that make these purchases.
Of course, this means distributing the virus in source code form and compiling it on the target computer, but I'm sure users would be more than happy to take that step for you.
I can hear that conversation now: "I can't run this Anna Kornokova Simulator"
"Call Bob he is a linux user, he can help you"
"Hey Bob, I got the Anna K sim and..."
"You know that will be a virus"
"No, it's different THIS time. Tell me again the magic words, I am sure it'll be okay"
"SIGH, dot slash config...MAKE....MAKE INSTALL"
They're still comfortable with their five-year old computers, running their previous versions of software.
No, they are not. Go look at the specs on a typical home PC at Best Buy. If only a small group of customers wanted this, it would not be the case. Maybe your parents and a couple of your friends are happy swapping jpgs but many parents, (baby boomer) grandparents are sending mpgs of babies first steps etc...
Bigger files will prevent copywrite infringment for a short while, until computers advance a year or two, and can them easily handle more data.
Exactly! Also, people WANT to be able to do this...so the computer companies will be driven by that DESIGN goal. The MPAA and the RIAA are not bigger customers to the home PC market than me, you and our parents friends etc...:-) If they make a 50 GB file format, comcast will offer 30-50 MB downloads, Compaq will come up with a home PC with raid 5 and 1 GB of Ram with dual processors (isn't that the Longhorn requirements:-)
Your childish spite and arrogance are all too typical amongst the Linux advocate crowd.
Hi pot, I'm Kettle Black.
Why should people who have no interest in computers (other than to get their job done or enjoy some entertainment) be forced to make painful transitions and suffer inconvenience just so you can feel so very fucking righteous?
I never said they should, in fact that is nearly my point. They never learned what they have and to get them to switch would be a pointless nightmare. I am a professional Windows admin, I use Linux. I would prefer not to deal with my users away from their 'familiar' platform.
I'm guessing tha you hate most people and consider them your intellectual inferior (fits the profile!).
Nope. Actually I do volunteer social work and try to meet many new people all the time. I do not enjoy supporting people with their computers because most people tend to view their computer as a drudgery pushed on them by people like me. Thanks for analyzing me based on a couple sentences though, it is nice to see such a clear demonstration of the word prejudice:-)
A mol is like 6.023 * 10^23 atoms of a substance and is the basis of measure for elements and elemental compounds. IE...the molar mass of water is 18g.
Gigapascals - One billion Pascals....Pascal = What?
The poster didn't bother to mention that the IOSN is a project of the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), which is focused on developing countries. They tend to deal with really poor countries with very limited resources. They are not focused on Joe-consumer in a rich, developed country.
Now go around your office and find out which Windows Luser ever read the manual...none. That is how many will read this one. 90% of all users got their sorry little knowledge by routinely watching as their admins were forced to hold their little hands. Laziness, not ignorance, is what stands in the way of switching platforms.
Pot, meet kettle. I presume your subject line should be interpreted as "Hello, grammar"?
Yes, I should definitely spell a subject like Grammar correctly if I am chastising someones lack of familiarity with it, I could not have done that intentionally.
Why can't Linux clusters use the same high performance interconnects?
Linux can use them and does on the new Linux/Cray XD1. It is the PC Achitecture that he is saying slows down Linux clusters (and I find it humorous that Windows clusters are not mentioned...they have the same problem plus there is no interest in them) When PCI is replaced (I have heard of PCI express but not seen it yet) these numbers will start to even out.
He's completely right, just not in the way he intended. You'd have a hard time making the cluster as expensive as the supercomputer....
No, he's right in the way he intended.
He just leaves out a lot of information. The business environment determines what is or is not expensive. The computational environment determines what will or will not run fast, the two make a measure of how expensive something is.
If you are crunching a big continuous stream of numbers with multiple small results which are then looped in and crunched more (think major statistics, math, language interpretation etc...) These might be quicker on a single machine. If you are in an environment where (time=money)^2 (think casinos, trading floors, JIT manufacturing etc...) the lag of shared resources becomes MORE expensive than the single Cray. However, that statement is actually under hard analysis a no brainer and he is hoping that no one will question his statement enough to notice that for the other 85% (best guess statistic, blast it if you want to) of applications the cluster will offer considerable savings.
He's also hoping that no one will go down the road of the obvious that someone who has worked on the major 85% apps will do. Which I am guessing (no offence) is what happened with you. If you read it to critically his statements don't seem to hold any water. However they do, it's just the amount of water that is questionable.
Immoral yes, illegal no. Please to tell, the law regarding refreshing a page view?
Yes guarantee was to strong a word. The fact is though that traffic can be handled and simply jumping up and whining that people who aren't interested in your message are looking at it to the detriment of those who do want to look at it sounds like idiocy.
Oh, and thanks for the pointless flame [winternet.com]; been ages since I had one of those..
I am a sysadmin and was removing a stupid trojan from a users account when I posted that, so more venting than was necessary. Uh...regarding flames, usenet etc...I am uh...chronologically advanced:-).
Once again the 'noble' hacker is committing crime - my hero!!!
Not! The noble hacker has NADA to do with this. If this had detailed instructions pertaining to the types of servers they used and various exploits, maybe a couple of admins S. engineered into giving out passwords than you could say that. This is lusers, look if I keep my refresh rate up no one can get the page. BFD. I agree that it is a stupid idea, a bad thing to do (though not illegal) and a great way to turn people from your platform.
I want Bush out of office. I believe he sold out the rights of thousands of retiring steel workers by ordering a settlement at Bethlehem steel prior to productive negotiations. I believe he has engineered profit opportunities for various companies. I believe that he is exploiting the war on terror and at the same time cutting soldiers benefits. I believe all of these things and will say them and will listen to what anyone who disagrees has to say. I might even change my opinion given the right argument. Most (not all) the democrats I personally know share those views. Unfortunately, the crackpots are the loud ones with fun soundbites.
Here's an anecdote: this is roughly akin to nailing two-by-fours across every door and window in my house so that you can prevent me from coming out and using my freedom of speech because you don't like the views I espouse. If you disagree with what I say, the appropriate response is to write, speak, and make your views known. It is not to simply silence the opposition by preventing them from being heard.
Bad anology. Better, this is akin to going to a Presidential address in Ohio and speaking and making your views heard. Which DID get someone arrested DURING this administration.
If the republican party is incapable of handling bandwidth they should do something about it. In my opinion this is a legitimate form (though in bad taste because it does evoke free speech issues) of protest. I guarantee the democrats couldn't take down MS or hell/. for that matter. Why, because being able to communicate is recognized as important to those two orgs. Why not the republicans?
BTW, which site are they going to do this to. Some of us on/. might like a link;-]
Slashdot Mirror
When will the corps learn that customers don't want to be treated as mere cash cows?
When it stops being lucrative.
One strong hypothesis is that life couldnt exist on earth without a big planet (jupiter) out there sweeping up most of the space junk (asteroids, comets, etc) that comes falling into the solar system.
Yes, but this particular system is likely not to have any earthy planets as its gas giant is near the center of its gravity well. Thus, this planet helps suck in space junk.
Just put an asterisk in your ie address bar and go to file -> work offline. This will just download everything (not recommended for NetZero subscribers)
As Reagan said; one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
I always mess that one up. I thought he said "one mans terrorist is another mans customer."
we wanted to integrate the shareware version of Linux into our server pool.
Which version is that? Did you remember to send in your 15$
I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming.
Then you should know that 'technically' VB is not kernel level programming. I think the reason that you failed so amazingly in your project is you put no forethought into it. Yes, the Win 2K servers can handle a decent load (albeit insecurely) and they are so simple to run that even an MCSE can set them up (I have an old MCSE cert so that is not a flame, I know the ed level needed for that and abandoned it long ago). However, the Linux servers are enterprise unix boxes and Apache can run circles around IIS. I hope that fortune 5000 company realizes that you were the problem.
but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows 98/NT/2K are your only choices.
Were that the case I would choose to use paper based data processing.
That's like arguing, that because Nokia comes up with a cellphone that has a TV and a radio, that customers want that.
It would be like that if the nokia tv and radio phone were prominent in every cell phone store and most people purchased them. The big whiz bang computers SELL bottom line that is it. I am a geek with a nicely paid geeky job, I have 3 computers at home not one matches the best buy statistics. My brother on the other hand has trouble sending a simple e-mail and his games don't always work right so he Ghz P7 with 80GB ram because the salesman tells him he needs it. It is not geeks that make these purchases.
Of course, this means distributing the virus in source code form and compiling it on the target computer, but I'm sure users would be more than happy to take that step for you.
I can hear that conversation now: "I can't run this Anna Kornokova Simulator"
"Call Bob he is a linux user, he can help you"
"Hey Bob, I got the Anna K sim and..."
"You know that will be a virus"
"No, it's different THIS time. Tell me again the magic words, I am sure it'll be okay"
"SIGH, dot slash config...MAKE....MAKE INSTALL"
64 bit virii are more dangerous
Don't forget that they can access your computer over the power line and get through the tin foil on your windows. Yep.
They're still comfortable with their five-year old computers, running their previous versions of software.
No, they are not. Go look at the specs on a typical home PC at Best Buy. If only a small group of customers wanted this, it would not be the case. Maybe your parents and a couple of your friends are happy swapping jpgs but many parents, (baby boomer) grandparents are sending mpgs of babies first steps etc...
Bigger files will prevent copywrite infringment for a short while, until computers advance a year or two, and can them easily handle more data.
:-) If they make a 50 GB file format, comcast will offer 30-50 MB downloads, Compaq will come up with a home PC with raid 5 and 1 GB of Ram with dual processors (isn't that the Longhorn requirements :-)
Exactly! Also, people WANT to be able to do this...so the computer companies will be driven by that DESIGN goal. The MPAA and the RIAA are not bigger customers to the home PC market than me, you and our parents friends etc...
Your childish spite and arrogance are all too typical amongst the Linux advocate crowd.
:-)
Hi pot, I'm Kettle Black.
Why should people who have no interest in computers (other than to get their job done or enjoy some entertainment) be forced to make painful transitions and suffer inconvenience just so you can feel so very fucking righteous?
I never said they should, in fact that is nearly my point. They never learned what they have and to get them to switch would be a pointless nightmare. I am a professional Windows admin, I use Linux. I would prefer not to deal with my users away from their 'familiar' platform.
I'm guessing tha you hate most people and consider them your intellectual inferior (fits the profile!).
Nope. Actually I do volunteer social work and try to meet many new people all the time. I do not enjoy supporting people with their computers because most people tend to view their computer as a drudgery pushed on them by people like me. Thanks for analyzing me based on a couple sentences though, it is nice to see such a clear demonstration of the word prejudice
Could as well be molecules, crystals or bicycles.
I would like to caution you about the storage price of one mole of average 10 speed bicycles.
A mol is like 6.023 * 10^23 atoms of a substance and is the basis of measure for elements and elemental compounds. IE...the molar mass of water is 18g.
Gigapascals - One billion Pascals....Pascal = What?
The poster didn't bother to mention that the IOSN is a project of the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), which is focused on developing countries. They tend to deal with really poor countries with very limited resources. They are not focused on Joe-consumer in a rich, developed country.
Excellent post. That puts it all in perspective.
Now go around your office and find out which Windows Luser ever read the manual...none. That is how many will read this one. 90% of all users got their sorry little knowledge by routinely watching as their admins were forced to hold their little hands. Laziness, not ignorance, is what stands in the way of switching platforms.
Pot, meet kettle. I presume your subject line should be interpreted as "Hello, grammar"?
:-)
Yes, I should definitely spell a subject like Grammar correctly if I am chastising someones lack of familiarity with it, I could not have done that intentionally.
Yes, we are both black
while the post can first be read by the editors with grammatical corrections the flow of the story could hopefully be found.
Seriously, Michael give me your snail mail address and I will send you the MLA guide. We will have you making sentences in NO time.
Why can't Linux clusters use the same high performance interconnects?
Linux can use them and does on the new Linux/Cray XD1. It is the PC Achitecture that he is saying slows down Linux clusters (and I find it humorous that Windows clusters are not mentioned...they have the same problem plus there is no interest in them) When PCI is replaced (I have heard of PCI express but not seen it yet) these numbers will start to even out.
He's completely right, just not in the way he intended. You'd have a hard time making the cluster as expensive as the supercomputer....
No, he's right in the way he intended.
He just leaves out a lot of information. The business environment determines what is or is not expensive. The computational environment determines what will or will not run fast, the two make a measure of how expensive something is.
If you are crunching a big continuous stream of numbers with multiple small results which are then looped in and crunched more (think major statistics, math, language interpretation etc...) These might be quicker on a single machine. If you are in an environment where (time=money)^2 (think casinos, trading floors, JIT manufacturing etc...) the lag of shared resources becomes MORE expensive than the single Cray. However, that statement is actually under hard analysis a no brainer and he is hoping that no one will question his statement enough to notice that for the other 85% (best guess statistic, blast it if you want to) of applications the cluster will offer considerable savings.
He's also hoping that no one will go down the road of the obvious that someone who has worked on the major 85% apps will do. Which I am guessing (no offence) is what happened with you. If you read it to critically his statements don't seem to hold any water. However they do, it's just the amount of water that is questionable.
Meanwhile, Spirit, which has now climbed about 10 yards up a hillside, getting above the Gusev plain, found an interesting rock dubbed 'Longhorn'.
Wow! They weren't scheduled to be near longhorn til 07!
Immoral yes, illegal no. Please to tell, the law regarding refreshing a page view?
Yes guarantee was to strong a word. The fact is though that traffic can be handled and simply jumping up and whining that people who aren't interested in your message are looking at it to the detriment of those who do want to look at it sounds like idiocy.
Oh, and thanks for the pointless flame [winternet.com]; been ages since I had one of those..
:-).
I am a sysadmin and was removing a stupid trojan from a users account when I posted that, so more venting than was necessary. Uh...regarding flames, usenet etc...I am uh...chronologically advanced
Once again the 'noble' hacker is committing crime - my hero!!!
Not! The noble hacker has NADA to do with this. If this had detailed instructions pertaining to the types of servers they used and various exploits, maybe a couple of admins S. engineered into giving out passwords than you could say that. This is lusers, look if I keep my refresh rate up no one can get the page. BFD. I agree that it is a stupid idea, a bad thing to do (though not illegal) and a great way to turn people from your platform.
I want Bush out of office. I believe he sold out the rights of thousands of retiring steel workers by ordering a settlement at Bethlehem steel prior to productive negotiations. I believe he has engineered profit opportunities for various companies. I believe that he is exploiting the war on terror and at the same time cutting soldiers benefits. I believe all of these things and will say them and will listen to what anyone who disagrees has to say. I might even change my opinion given the right argument. Most (not all) the democrats I personally know share those views. Unfortunately, the crackpots are the loud ones with fun soundbites.
Hmmm... why does that sound familiar?...
:-)
Because you are an optimist
Here's an anecdote: this is roughly akin to nailing two-by-fours across every door and window in my house so that you can prevent me from coming out and using my freedom of speech because you don't like the views I espouse. If you disagree with what I say, the appropriate response is to write, speak, and make your views known. It is not to simply silence the opposition by preventing them from being heard.
/. for that matter. Why, because being able to communicate is recognized as important to those two orgs. Why not the republicans? /. might like a link ;-]
Bad anology. Better, this is akin to going to a Presidential address in Ohio and speaking and making your views heard. Which DID get someone arrested DURING this administration.
If the republican party is incapable of handling bandwidth they should do something about it. In my opinion this is a legitimate form (though in bad taste because it does evoke free speech issues) of protest. I guarantee the democrats couldn't take down MS or hell
BTW, which site are they going to do this to. Some of us on