Pure speculation on my part here, but I'd venture that the parent was spot on about the market not being big enough for two similar products. If Airbus spotted the market first and was sufficiently ahead in development, then Boeing would be reluctant to pour money into developing a similar product.
A stretched 747 doesn't quite cut it though, since it's still (presumably) based on older technology and therefore would be unlikely to yeild the same cost savings. So, a 747-X would never be able to compete with an A380; the airlines would always choose an A380 for purely economic reasons.
That said, if Boeing could have got to market in 2000, then I'm suprised they didn't do that as a spoiler to Airbus, so I can only assume that either (1). they couldn't be sure of completion for 2000, and/or (2). 5-6 years isn't sufficient market advantage.
Regardless of the reasons, I think Boeing may have misjudged the market. Its too late to even consider building a directly competing product, but the 7E7 might work out for them providing they can sell enough to justify development.
Not wishing to concur with the parent (I'm fine with the name Ryan air myself!), but when I flew with them from Luton to Dublin in 2001, the 737 I was on was painted with "The Sun" (as in the awful tabloid) all over it.
Not such a problem I guess, but it did concern me that if there were any kind of disaster, I'd plunge to my doom sponsered by The Sun! Its not the death, its the shame of it all that bothers me!!;-D
You are *so* right on that! I'm sure you're aware, but for the benefit of other listeners, I believe this fabulous bridge cost £200m and came in on-time (in fact, wasn't it completed early?) and within-buget. Meanwhile, back in the UK, we can't even build the new Wembley stadium for less than £800m. I mean, I'm no engineer, but surely a stadium can't be *that* difficult? Sigh.... (I'll stop ranting now!!)
Admittadley I only skimmed the article, but I believe it said the veil had been 10 years in the making!
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It's still available, and still classed as being in test or something. Its also still just as clunky (sometimes it weirds out and decides it needs to re-download all your folders). It's also quite often not working but then starts working a couple of hours later.
If you want to use it, I think its only available in Outlook Express (but I might be wrong!) and you just set up a new email account, but when you enter your xxx@hotmail.com address, it treats it not as POP3 but as... erm, email over http I think. Or some such.
I can never understand what MS do -- I mean, wouldn't it make sense for them to release an update to IE prior to Longhorn, with tabs and a few other niceities? Then there'd be slightly less reason for the Unwashed-Mases(TM) to switch! [just to explain, I'm a happy Firefox user, but I just don't understand MS's business logic!].
How difficult would it be for them to build a.Net based wrapper on the existing IE to allow extensions to be created that way? Surely that would be a sensible thing for them to do? [again, just to explain, I don't particularly _want_ them to do this, I'm just supprised they don't!]
But in the case of Microsoft and their products, it is in their interest not to provide too much abstraction since their business model is heavily dependant on selling new copies of Windows (and Office). If people could choose what new applications to run on their Windows OS, then (horror of horrors) they might be tempted to stick with their old OS (e.g. NT 4).
On the other hand, if you look at this from a support point of view, it is understandable that any vendor would want to support a limited software stack, otherwise its difficult (read risky) to give any service level assurances, since the customer might be running some totally weird stack that you'd have a tough time supporting (difficultly getting staff with the right skill-set etc).
The problem with Windows, is that you _can't_ run any setup you like even if you wanted to. And you have no choice as to _who_ provides your support -- e.g. if Red Hat didn't want to support me, I could in theory find another company who would, whist I continue to run a Red Hat OS. With Windows this is a non-starter since no other company has access to the source and therefore *cannot* provide complete support. Which conveniently ties up with Microsoft's business model so shipping new Windows licences!
Merlin was brilliant! And I refute what was written on the website about it using up batteries quickly -- 'cos the lights were LED's, they were much more efficient than the light blubs in Simon.
Great game. I think I might still have it somewhere....
As has been mentioned previously, this bug has been fixed. So if you're running an out of date version, then yes it has security flaws. And if your running an up-to-date version, then... well, it certainly has one less security flaw and is to all intents and purposes, as secure as anything else!
You're right to be cautious, but Subversion has been officially stable for a number of years now. If the benefits don't justify making a change right now, then I wouldn't bother, but if you're starting a new project, its worth considering.
Also, such tools are a dime a dozen. How many free alternatives to CVS have come out in past few years? At least three. Most are merely academic exercises, some a little bit more than that, none have withstood the test of time, yet. If I set up a Subversion repository, now, will it still be useful in five years? Will there be clear migration paths during upgrades? Will one of the other upstarts eclipse Subversion in the fashion shows next year? Who knows? All Subversion is, right now, is a bandwagon to me.
Who knows. If we're really lucky then yes there will be something even better! But even if there were, you'd still be allowed to stick with your crusty old version of Subversion then, as much as you can stick with CVS (or whatever) now.
I do take your point though, but there does appear to be a fair bit of genuine support for Subversion right now, as opposed to a lot of hype driven support. Its that constant hum of activity that made me feel comfortable enough to start using SVN -- without that, I'd have played safe and I'd be using CVS now.
I'd really love to use Thunderbird but I'm still not 100% happy with the way it handles accounts and identities. For example, I do use it for news groups right now and for each news group "account" I have to create a new identity. So I'm (lets say) "zaiff U. ".
So if I set up three news group accounts, I have three duplicate identities, and really usefully (not), when I create new emails/news-postings, I can select the From: identity from my list of three duplicates. "But they're all the same you stupid computer.... arrrghhh!" I thik to myself!;-D
I'm sure Thunderbird will evolve into something good, but right now (I'm running 0.9), I still find the whole configuration thing a bit clunky.
That said, I keep meaning to document all my issues and come up with solutions.... but I never have time (too much time on/.!) so I shouldn't complain.
I'm not disagreeing or anything, its just... I dunno, well, it not something we really need to be worrying about right now is it? I mean, if I write an article about how we mustn't crash probes into Saturnian moons, then people might agree and people might disagree, but really, its all a waste of time since none of the agruements are going to have any bearing on what happens in the forseeable (my/your life times).
So here's my plan: just agree with the nice man, tell him we'll set an area as being a crash free zone and then we can move on!:-P
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...thinks for a moment...
Yep, I've seen this both on the Simpsons and Six Feet Under, so you must be right!:-D
(And ripping them to 'puter is ok, but you'll find this weird vid at a car boot sale in 2014 and think back to this slashdot story...)
Yeah right, like we'll all be driving cars in the future!;-P
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They are everywhere throughout the UK, having been going for years and are, I believe, quite popular! The people who go, tend to be fairly religous about going, so it'll be an every Sunday event.
Don't know if they're perculiar to the UK.... but it does sound like the type of thing that *only* people in the UK would do!
Fact is, we don't know if the original poster is some FOSS-Extremist, but if we assume they're normal (I think thats fair -- the wording didn't _sound_ like they were a total fruit-cake!) then a Live-CD sounds like a nice idea.
Even for people who are completely happy with their Windows setup, a Live-CD can still be useful in an emergency since you can always get access to your files and to the internet.
As for the dial-up connects comment, I'm sure the OP's intended recipients are probably not the the "tech-nut" category, and more "mere-mortal". This means, that although they might well be able to manage on their own, its nice to help them with the initial steps. On Windows, you can't write ISO images to CD's unless you have purchased additional software! Unbelievable, I know.... but that does present a not insignificant barrier. Other barriers would be as you mentioned, a dial-up connection and also just plain not knowing what to download from where (remembering that mere-mortals hear about viruses/trojans/worms on the news and about how they shouldn't download or run software from anywhere they can't trust).
Personally, I think this is a nice idea. I'd imagine that the majority of people won't know what to do with it so it'll need some kind of covering note, and even then, likely uptake with be low.... but its better than nothing. The recovery aspect of the Live-CD is useful to anyone though!
Hope so. Also, they should be able to give us figures (unless thats commercially sensative info) regarding how many MSIE's there are in the logs for the period.
If the purpose is to create uncertainty, then even the merest hint, of thinking about, possibly, applying for a patent, may actually be as effective as being granted one!
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Pure speculation on my part here, but I'd venture that the parent was spot on about the market not being big enough for two similar products. If Airbus spotted the market first and was sufficiently ahead in development, then Boeing would be reluctant to pour money into developing a similar product.
A stretched 747 doesn't quite cut it though, since it's still (presumably) based on older technology and therefore would be unlikely to yeild the same cost savings. So, a 747-X would never be able to compete with an A380; the airlines would always choose an A380 for purely economic reasons.
That said, if Boeing could have got to market in 2000, then I'm suprised they didn't do that as a spoiler to Airbus, so I can only assume that either (1). they couldn't be sure of completion for 2000, and/or (2). 5-6 years isn't sufficient market advantage.
Regardless of the reasons, I think Boeing may have misjudged the market. Its too late to even consider building a directly competing product, but the 7E7 might work out for them providing they can sell enough to justify development.
If I'm not mistaken, they're headed for being the worlds largest (or most profitable, or something!) airline.
What the problem with the name anyway? It not Aeroflot!
Not wishing to concur with the parent (I'm fine with the name Ryan air myself!), but when I flew with them from Luton to Dublin in 2001, the 737 I was on was painted with "The Sun" (as in the awful tabloid) all over it.
;-D
Not such a problem I guess, but it did concern me that if there were any kind of disaster, I'd plunge to my doom sponsered by The Sun! Its not the death, its the shame of it all that bothers me!!
You are *so* right on that! I'm sure you're aware, but for the benefit of other listeners, I believe this fabulous bridge cost £200m and came in on-time (in fact, wasn't it completed early?) and within-buget. Meanwhile, back in the UK, we can't even build the new Wembley stadium for less than £800m. I mean, I'm no engineer, but surely a stadium can't be *that* difficult? Sigh.... (I'll stop ranting now!!)
Admittadley I only skimmed the article, but I believe it said the veil had been 10 years in the making!
It's still available, and still classed as being in test or something. Its also still just as clunky (sometimes it weirds out and decides it needs to re-download all your folders). It's also quite often not working but then starts working a couple of hours later.
If you want to use it, I think its only available in Outlook Express (but I might be wrong!) and you just set up a new email account, but when you enter your xxx@hotmail.com address, it treats it not as POP3 but as... erm, email over http I think. Or some such.
Regardless, Gmail + POP3 is *vastly* superior!
But of course it is!!!?
For non-US peoples, what is this "smoking a doobie behind the local Kroger" you speak of?
I can never understand what MS do -- I mean, wouldn't it make sense for them to release an update to IE prior to Longhorn, with tabs and a few other niceities? Then there'd be slightly less reason for the Unwashed-Mases(TM) to switch! [just to explain, I'm a happy Firefox user, but I just don't understand MS's business logic!].
.Net based wrapper on the existing IE to allow extensions to be created that way? Surely that would be a sensible thing for them to do? [again, just to explain, I don't particularly _want_ them to do this, I'm just supprised they don't!]
How difficult would it be for them to build a
But in the case of Microsoft and their products, it is in their interest not to provide too much abstraction since their business model is heavily dependant on selling new copies of Windows (and Office). If people could choose what new applications to run on their Windows OS, then (horror of horrors) they might be tempted to stick with their old OS (e.g. NT 4).
On the other hand, if you look at this from a support point of view, it is understandable that any vendor would want to support a limited software stack, otherwise its difficult (read risky) to give any service level assurances, since the customer might be running some totally weird stack that you'd have a tough time supporting (difficultly getting staff with the right skill-set etc).
The problem with Windows, is that you _can't_ run any setup you like even if you wanted to. And you have no choice as to _who_ provides your support -- e.g. if Red Hat didn't want to support me, I could in theory find another company who would, whist I continue to run a Red Hat OS. With Windows this is a non-starter since no other company has access to the source and therefore *cannot* provide complete support. Which conveniently ties up with Microsoft's business model so shipping new Windows licences!
Merlin was brilliant! And I refute what was written on the website about it using up batteries quickly -- 'cos the lights were LED's, they were much more efficient than the light blubs in Simon.
Great game. I think I might still have it somewhere....
Yep, I for one always call pre-alpha software "Access-like"!
As has been mentioned previously, this bug has been fixed. So if you're running an out of date version, then yes it has security flaws. And if your running an up-to-date version, then... well, it certainly has one less security flaw and is to all intents and purposes, as secure as anything else!
You're right to be cautious, but Subversion has been officially stable for a number of years now. If the benefits don't justify making a change right now, then I wouldn't bother, but if you're starting a new project, its worth considering.
Also, such tools are a dime a dozen. How many free alternatives to CVS have come out in past few years? At least three. Most are merely academic exercises, some a little bit more than that, none have withstood the test of time, yet. If I set up a Subversion repository, now, will it still be useful in five years? Will there be clear migration paths during upgrades? Will one of the other upstarts eclipse Subversion in the fashion shows next year? Who knows? All Subversion is, right now, is a bandwagon to me.
Who knows. If we're really lucky then yes there will be something even better! But even if there were, you'd still be allowed to stick with your crusty old version of Subversion then, as much as you can stick with CVS (or whatever) now.
I do take your point though, but there does appear to be a fair bit of genuine support for Subversion right now, as opposed to a lot of hype driven support. Its that constant hum of activity that made me feel comfortable enough to start using SVN -- without that, I'd have played safe and I'd be using CVS now.
I'd really love to use Thunderbird but I'm still not 100% happy with the way it handles accounts and identities. For example, I do use it for news groups right now and for each news group "account" I have to create a new identity. So I'm (lets say) "zaiff U. ".
;-D
/.!) so I shouldn't complain.
So if I set up three news group accounts, I have three duplicate identities, and really usefully (not), when I create new emails/news-postings, I can select the From: identity from my list of three duplicates. "But they're all the same you stupid computer.... arrrghhh!" I thik to myself!
I'm sure Thunderbird will evolve into something good, but right now (I'm running 0.9), I still find the whole configuration thing a bit clunky.
That said, I keep meaning to document all my issues and come up with solutions.... but I never have time (too much time on
True.
Perhaps we could just ask him to go on ahead of us and police the "No dumping" area?
I'm not disagreeing or anything, its just... I dunno, well, it not something we really need to be worrying about right now is it? I mean, if I write an article about how we mustn't crash probes into Saturnian moons, then people might agree and people might disagree, but really, its all a waste of time since none of the agruements are going to have any bearing on what happens in the forseeable (my/your life times).
:-P
So here's my plan: just agree with the nice man, tell him we'll set an area as being a crash free zone and then we can move on!
...thinks for a moment...
:-D
Yep, I've seen this both on the Simpsons and Six Feet Under, so you must be right!
(And ripping them to 'puter is ok, but you'll find this weird vid at a car boot sale in 2014 and think back to this slashdot story...)
;-P
Yeah right, like we'll all be driving cars in the future!
They are everywhere throughout the UK, having been going for years and are, I believe, quite popular! The people who go, tend to be fairly religous about going, so it'll be an every Sunday event.
Don't know if they're perculiar to the UK.... but it does sound like the type of thing that *only* people in the UK would do!
And thats news to me! Touché!! ;-D
That does kind of leave all non-XP users out in the cold though. Oh, and XP users who haven't discovered that PowerToy (myself included).
Fact is, we don't know if the original poster is some FOSS-Extremist, but if we assume they're normal (I think thats fair -- the wording didn't _sound_ like they were a total fruit-cake!) then a Live-CD sounds like a nice idea.
Even for people who are completely happy with their Windows setup, a Live-CD can still be useful in an emergency since you can always get access to your files and to the internet.
As for the dial-up connects comment, I'm sure the OP's intended recipients are probably not the the "tech-nut" category, and more "mere-mortal". This means, that although they might well be able to manage on their own, its nice to help them with the initial steps. On Windows, you can't write ISO images to CD's unless you have purchased additional software! Unbelievable, I know.... but that does present a not insignificant barrier. Other barriers would be as you mentioned, a dial-up connection and also just plain not knowing what to download from where (remembering that mere-mortals hear about viruses/trojans/worms on the news and about how they shouldn't download or run software from anywhere they can't trust).
Personally, I think this is a nice idea. I'd imagine that the majority of people won't know what to do with it so it'll need some kind of covering note, and even then, likely uptake with be low.... but its better than nothing. The recovery aspect of the Live-CD is useful to anyone though!
Hope so. Also, they should be able to give us figures (unless thats commercially sensative info) regarding how many MSIE's there are in the logs for the period.
If the purpose is to create uncertainty, then even the merest hint, of thinking about, possibly, applying for a patent, may actually be as effective as being granted one!
Just after I hit submit I noticed my foot stuck in my mouth! Doh!!
I'm sorry that my post failed to amuse you. :(