yup, people trying to connect the motorola dvrs to their computers to extract the video off them usually run into this, though I've heard it's not enabled on all boxes yet...pretty pathetic/scary.
huh? Where'd you get that cable? I better buy one now before they ban them.
The motorola boxes DO support HDCP, even though they don't have an HDMI port. People don't seem to realize aroun here that DVI has HDCP as well. I have a motorola DCT6412 btw..
They also have copy-protection the firewire outputs of those boxes.
DVI IS encrypted, with the same exact HDCP that HDMI has. That's why there's tons of DVI>HDMI and vice versa cables. The only difference is that HDMI has audio with it as well, and a fancy new connector.
You're kidding me right? You think the same people dumb enough to be led around by the media would be smart enough to figure that it's the DRM stopping their tv from being able to play their new hd-dvd?
No, they'll just spend their next pay check on a new tv that's no better then their current one except for oh say, the copy-protected video input port. That is, if they hadn't already been persuaded by the manipulative best buy employee to buy a new tv before hand anyway.
You are over-estimating the average intelligence of most people in hope that they'll realize what DRM is (among the other stupid things going on around them) and take a stand. I lost that hope a long time ago.
you do realize that hdmi is basically just dvi with a new connector and audio bundled right? And both have HDCP copy protection, of course. I don't see why someone couldn't make an HDMI > DVI + audio cable, unless the audio is in some weird format. I always figured it was just spdif....
Exactly, my CRT-based hdtv only has component inputs as well. And that makes sense, CRT's are analog. You'd have to convert it either way.
What makes you think they'll even sell a video processor? That'd essentially be removing their HDMI and thus making the whole purpose of this pointless. I suppose it won't be too long though before someone just makes a DVI/HDMI -> DVI/HDMI box that just chops out HDCP. Of course owning such a device might mean you're a pirate and selling one means you're an evil pirate facilitator, that's obviously a felony.
Guess what, toshiba just lost a potential customer. Oh well. Guess that means I have an excuse when I go and pirate it.
Exactly, there is no "good" drm. This is the same bullshit we're all accustomed to around here. Why is this sort of behavior all of the sudden OK for this one book, with it's overzealous release policy. This whole thing sounds ridiculous to me, especially just to "protect" a book from being read.
Why would I make that up? I did read that. If what I read was incorrect then that's certainly not my fault, but I do have some sources if that will please you, sir grammar nazi.
"Based on the studies published to date, recommending routine circumcision as a prophylactic measure to prevent HIV infection in Africa, or elsewhere, is scientifically unfounded." -International Journal of STDs and AIDS, 1999
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/vanhowe4 / is probably useful too. That's the actual journal..
if you look around you'll find there's just as much evidence saying being uncircumcisied prevents aids as there is vice-versa. Most justifications of circumcision seem to follow that same format (different studies showing the opposite effects.)
I've heard things like being circumcised means the pink inner-skin is exposed and that hiv/aids attaches to it more easily then the shaft skin and thus raises your chances, among other things.
Ever since the late 19th century and the whole masturbation-scare doctors have been trying to justify the procedure, after it turns out masturbation isn't all that bad, they shift onto saying it'll prevent cancer, or aids, or urinary tract infections, etc, most of which aren't true or have no real significance. Of course they never really bring up the complications of circumcision in those studies, like loss of excess penile skin, reduced sensitivity (this happens no matter what,) loss of the glans, excess bleeding, blood infections, loss of entire penis, etc. And even though some of those may be rare, I'd make a bet that it's more common then it "causing aids" or what not.
The fact is there is really not much medical justification for circumcision, that is why basically no pediatric societies recommend it. If only america would get a hint (though the rates here are steadily dropping.) It's become a social thing at this point, especially since some ignorant women thing it's "gross" not being cut. It just goes to show what happens when you condition people stupid.
Let's not even mention the tribal african circumcisions which are quite grusome. This is a procedure which has to stop, unless medically necessary (which is pretty rare, usually only severe cases of balanitis xerotica obliterans would actually require it, steroid creams have reduced the need greatly in almost all other cases)
That's exactly how I feel as well. It has a spellcheck, that would have been nice if I hadn't recently just installed spell bound, which is just as good. What else, auto-form-fill? But firefox already has form-completion, which, while not as fancy, comes close enough. Too much screen space for the advantages, though I did try it and it is pretty nice, just not for me.
1. this report is bullshit. WinMX? Ok, sure, whatever you say.
2. amy slashdot reader who is stupid enough to use iTMS and is even foolish enough to highlight it in a positive manner should be shot on the spot. Hello DRM. Wake up, quit supporting this bullshit. You're reading news for nerds, you should know better.
or steal the design and sell it as their own for that matter.
to steal the design would be like to copy the car exactly and then slap a lamborghini label on it and say it was a car lamborghini made.
as far as I know it's not illegal to make an exact replica of a ferrari, piece by piece, out of the same materials, or any car for that matter...though the ability to do so is obviously not so easy to accomplish.
but if you said it was your own and started selling it as such then yes you would be essentially stealing the design.
if the world really worked the way you seem to think it does then that's like saying people who put one of those stupid ferrari kits onto some shitass car are "stealing" from ferrari designers.
How do you even know those ferrari designers are getting paid royalties anyway? Maybe they work like normal people and get paid a salary. Who knows? it just might be.
oh yeah and a lot of ferrari designs were made by pininfarina, not ferrari.
no one ever taught me how to change a tire, I figured it out myself. It's not that hard. Same with computers, same with learning to put things together, etc.
infact, no one taught me most of the things I know, I taught myself. Even things like reading and writing I didn't really learn at school. Infact I hated writing before I stopped going to school, it wasn't until I had free time of my own to explore my own paths that writing became interesting to me.
I don't want to get into details but let's just say my experience with school was more like a conformance torture chamber packed with immature kids and teachers who teach out of a book.
maybe it is short sighted, maybe there are teachers who aren't so terrible, and maybe there are some things school is useful for, but the school district I was in was supposedly one of the best districts in the entire country, with some of the highest paid teachers to boot. So if there are good ones out there, I haven't ran into any.
and at this point there's no chance I'm going to put myself into a classroom ever again. I've gotten this far without any help from it, so why go back to something I have proven once and again does not work for me?
I used to think I liked math in school. I don't anymore, and did forget much of it, despite using it every day while in school. Not like I'm interested in any fields where it'd be necessary to be a math expert anyway.
what ever happened to learning to think by yourself? To reinvent the wheel, but only so to discover it's inner workings for yourself. For if you're just told that's how it is, that's fine if you believe it, but some people need to experience things for themselves to truly learn, and the current education system does not really satisfy this at all. That's why I got nothing from it, my entire life I learned simply through trial and error, finding out what works and what doesn't work, and why. No school ever taught me this.
this would never work on people who are constantly shaking their leg or something...
i'm a semi-hyper dude myself and once you get your leg going it's pretty easy to keep it that way for quite a long time without even realizing....i'd have it exploited in no time!
oh yeah and if you were like me as a kid you'd know how to hook up tvs/vcrs, stereos, etc, by the time you were around 6 or 7. Unplugging the damn thing wouldn't be too hard to do....
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yup, people trying to connect the motorola dvrs to their computers to extract the video off them usually run into this, though I've heard it's not enabled on all boxes yet...pretty pathetic/scary.
huh? Where'd you get that cable? I better buy one now before they ban them.
The motorola boxes DO support HDCP, even though they don't have an HDMI port. People don't seem to realize aroun here that DVI has HDCP as well. I have a motorola DCT6412 btw..
They also have copy-protection the firewire outputs of those boxes.
DVI IS encrypted, with the same exact HDCP that HDMI has. That's why there's tons of DVI>HDMI and vice versa cables. The only difference is that HDMI has audio with it as well, and a fancy new connector.
You're kidding me right? You think the same people dumb enough to be led around by the media would be smart enough to figure that it's the DRM stopping their tv from being able to play their new hd-dvd?
No, they'll just spend their next pay check on a new tv that's no better then their current one except for oh say, the copy-protected video input port. That is, if they hadn't already been persuaded by the manipulative best buy employee to buy a new tv before hand anyway.
You are over-estimating the average intelligence of most people in hope that they'll realize what DRM is (among the other stupid things going on around them) and take a stand. I lost that hope a long time ago.
you do realize that hdmi is basically just dvi with a new connector and audio bundled right? And both have HDCP copy protection, of course. I don't see why someone couldn't make an HDMI > DVI + audio cable, unless the audio is in some weird format. I always figured it was just spdif....
Exactly, my CRT-based hdtv only has component inputs as well. And that makes sense, CRT's are analog. You'd have to convert it either way.
What makes you think they'll even sell a video processor? That'd essentially be removing their HDMI and thus making the whole purpose of this pointless. I suppose it won't be too long though before someone just makes a DVI/HDMI -> DVI/HDMI box that just chops out HDCP. Of course owning such a device might mean you're a pirate and selling one means you're an evil pirate facilitator, that's obviously a felony.
Guess what, toshiba just lost a potential customer. Oh well. Guess that means I have an excuse when I go and pirate it.
Exactly, there is no "good" drm. This is the same bullshit we're all accustomed to around here. Why is this sort of behavior all of the sudden OK for this one book, with it's overzealous release policy. This whole thing sounds ridiculous to me, especially just to "protect" a book from being read.
Why would I make that up? I did read that. If what I read was incorrect then that's certainly not my fault, but I do have some sources if that will please you, sir grammar nazi.
4 / is probably useful too. That's the actual journal..
"Based on the studies published to date, recommending routine circumcision as a prophylactic measure to prevent HIV infection in Africa, or elsewhere, is scientifically unfounded." -International Journal of STDs and AIDS, 1999
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/vanhowe
and might as well send the parent article:
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/
if you look around you'll find there's just as much evidence saying being uncircumcisied prevents aids as there is vice-versa. Most justifications of circumcision seem to follow that same format (different studies showing the opposite effects.)
I've heard things like being circumcised means the pink inner-skin is exposed and that hiv/aids attaches to it more easily then the shaft skin and thus raises your chances, among other things.
Ever since the late 19th century and the whole masturbation-scare doctors have been trying to justify the procedure, after it turns out masturbation isn't all that bad, they shift onto saying it'll prevent cancer, or aids, or urinary tract infections, etc, most of which aren't true or have no real significance. Of course they never really bring up the complications of circumcision in those studies, like loss of excess penile skin, reduced sensitivity (this happens no matter what,) loss of the glans, excess bleeding, blood infections, loss of entire penis, etc. And even though some of those may be rare, I'd make a bet that it's more common then it "causing aids" or what not.
The fact is there is really not much medical justification for circumcision, that is why basically no pediatric societies recommend it. If only america would get a hint (though the rates here are steadily dropping.) It's become a social thing at this point, especially since some ignorant women thing it's "gross" not being cut. It just goes to show what happens when you condition people stupid.
Let's not even mention the tribal african circumcisions which are quite grusome. This is a procedure which has to stop, unless medically necessary (which is pretty rare, usually only severe cases of balanitis xerotica obliterans would actually require it, steroid creams have reduced the need greatly in almost all other cases)
That's exactly how I feel as well. It has a spellcheck, that would have been nice if I hadn't recently just installed spell bound, which is just as good. What else, auto-form-fill? But firefox already has form-completion, which, while not as fancy, comes close enough. Too much screen space for the advantages, though I did try it and it is pretty nice, just not for me.
Nice apple troll, now please shoot yourself.
I don't know any nerdy people who would want tattoos. Aren't we supposed to be the ones who don't care about body image and/or attention getting?
oh well.
To me, this sounds like quantity over quanlity, in order to get these things to work. Hey, whatever works I guess...
make -j5 here we come!
all they'll have to do is wear iPods and dance around in a pink colored room.
Two conclusions I've made:
1. this report is bullshit. WinMX? Ok, sure, whatever you say.
2. amy slashdot reader who is stupid enough to use iTMS and is even foolish enough to highlight it in a positive manner should be shot on the spot. Hello DRM. Wake up, quit supporting this bullshit. You're reading news for nerds, you should know better.
now if only they could trace back that lost foreskin
or, you could learn how to use adblock and never see an ad again.
oh yeah and you'll probably want this too:
http://www.geocities.com/pierceive/adblock/
ah yes, the freedom of choosing not to be free.
hey wait a minute
you are on the way to destruction
but they didn't steal the design.
or steal the design and sell it as their own for that matter.
to steal the design would be like to copy the car exactly and then slap a lamborghini label on it and say it was a car lamborghini made.
as far as I know it's not illegal to make an exact replica of a ferrari, piece by piece, out of the same materials, or any car for that matter...though the ability to do so is obviously not so easy to accomplish.
but if you said it was your own and started selling it as such then yes you would be essentially stealing the design.
if the world really worked the way you seem to think it does then that's like saying people who put one of those stupid ferrari kits onto some shitass car are "stealing" from ferrari designers.
How do you even know those ferrari designers are getting paid royalties anyway? Maybe they work like normal people and get paid a salary. Who knows? it just might be.
oh yeah and a lot of ferrari designs were made by pininfarina, not ferrari.
no one ever taught me how to change a tire, I figured it out myself. It's not that hard. Same with computers, same with learning to put things together, etc.
infact, no one taught me most of the things I know, I taught myself. Even things like reading and writing I didn't really learn at school. Infact I hated writing before I stopped going to school, it wasn't until I had free time of my own to explore my own paths that writing became interesting to me.
I don't want to get into details but let's just say my experience with school was more like a conformance torture chamber packed with immature kids and teachers who teach out of a book.
maybe it is short sighted, maybe there are teachers who aren't so terrible, and maybe there are some things school is useful for, but the school district I was in was supposedly one of the best districts in the entire country, with some of the highest paid teachers to boot. So if there are good ones out there, I haven't ran into any.
and at this point there's no chance I'm going to put myself into a classroom ever again. I've gotten this far without any help from it, so why go back to something I have proven once and again does not work for me?
I used to think I liked math in school. I don't anymore, and did forget much of it, despite using it every day while in school. Not like I'm interested in any fields where it'd be necessary to be a math expert anyway.
what ever happened to learning to think by yourself? To reinvent the wheel, but only so to discover it's inner workings for yourself. For if you're just told that's how it is, that's fine if you believe it, but some people need to experience things for themselves to truly learn, and the current education system does not really satisfy this at all. That's why I got nothing from it, my entire life I learned simply through trial and error, finding out what works and what doesn't work, and why. No school ever taught me this.
just like in futurama!
they also had advertisements in their dreams though. I wonder if they'll ban that next.
this is such a school-like thing to do. For example:
remember something long enough just to pass a test, pass it, forget.
lose weight long enough to win a free ipod, win it, gain weight back.
another win for the education system.
this would never work on people who are constantly shaking their leg or something...
i'm a semi-hyper dude myself and once you get your leg going it's pretty easy to keep it that way for quite a long time without even realizing....i'd have it exploited in no time!
oh yeah and if you were like me as a kid you'd know how to hook up tvs/vcrs, stereos, etc, by the time you were around 6 or 7. Unplugging the damn thing wouldn't be too hard to do....